Leave Mother for Father

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Someone wrote to me, regarding my pains now gone, but which

were about a (one) woman:

 

 

>Be a sanyasi and then you will be happy.

 

 

Sannyasi, sama - nya , "all rejected" . A concept

of many celibate priesthoods, the source of circumcision for

example, in the jewish celibate priesthood, related to

patriarchy, related to "liberation" and concept of world

(mother) as maya (illusion).

 

Not a concept I am fond of personally. But, rejecting

things, places, events, moments, people, who are not in your

own flow, who are bad for you essentially, is always

necessary, even more so for persons like myself who are

actually in touch with our natural selves moreso. For us,

'they' are even more of a threat.

 

I believe I am actually in good balance, ie, both male and

female portions of myself very alive, but I was in a

religion which allows only the male side to live, hence the

problems it got. I have known only Patriarchs for a very

long time. To me this includes the lines, the rules, the

rigidity, the male dominance aspect, the lack of emotion,

feeling, sex, dirt, children, problems are denied, rejected,

swept away. That's Patriarchy to me. I'm not into it really.

My honesty firstly makes me the other way, then other things

push me further.

 

For those who use the P religious system, the

pray/renounce/rise above method, since there is a good

amount of ignoring and denial, problems are actually less

poisoinous, - no contact means no commitment and no real

heavy relating. That's impossible for me. So, for me,

another approach altogether is appropriate, and that I have

found, or am condifdent I will continue to find as I have

been feeling some finding and some confirmation already.

 

I was reading last night the contact of Caesar with the

Saxxon armies pre BC, their discussions and so forth. Very

interesting. It's a classic example of people seeing life

differently, very differently.

 

There are those who want freedom, independence, and believe

in their own right to self rule and reality. The connected

world didn't allow it. That's why the many tribal

communities of Europe are "History", because daddy

integrates things. Mommy makes complex vines, knots, a web

of life which isn't necessarily comfortable always, but it's

very alive. Daddy's lines and lanes don't support life as

well, though it's usually more comfortable and orderly while

it dies there.

 

When trapped in lack of happiness, when our exploits are

utterly frustrated, then we renounce. This is the male

approach, a patriarchal approach. I have it in me alot, but

I have the other as well, and it can provide more life, help

and juice at those hard times, as compared to the suicidal

approach of renunciation of touch.

 

I feel Celtic in this regard. Refinement, learning, new

phases, a phase with bones and crones is in order for some

at certain times, but renunciation of contact with woman,

isn't necessary to be free from lust, or free from the pains

of relationships which are based in the non-mystic and

non-tantric planes, say such as that of Judeo Christian

Islamic morality. That way, the JCIM way, like all paths,

invents it's own problems, fixes them, mourns them, etc.,

all within it's own conception.

 

All of that, one groups conceptions of reality, isn't true

to others, who have another complete conception, so in other

words, the view of lust, the actions taken to satisfy that

want, the thoughts about those actions, the guilt, all of

it, ALL of it, are JCIM. There is another way, which is

entirely different. But I'm not selling it. You can ask

ifyou want, but really, there's books, and I'm busy.

 

And Hinduism contains both, but mostly P style, and

therefore it could be added to the others,

 

Hindu-Jewish-Christian-Islamic (the southern side of town)

 

as compared to:

 

Asatru (Norsk), Saxxon Germanic, Celtic, etc., or the north

side of town, which was matriarchal, not combining,

independent, viny, knotty, difficult, very healthy, very

alive, not as pretty, not as straight, full of passion, full

of raw sushi.

 

The M way weaves throughout the P lands too, through

history, and the differences of these two have always been

there, as the M provides and lives, while the P organizes,

and rules.

 

And I know, that Vercingetorix was acting somewhat out of

ego, a last shiver in the dieing body of the pure and

disconnected ancient Celts. This represents my acceptance of

the death of the Matriarchal War Hero, something of the

past, something which is very dangerous, a loose canon, a

Timothy McVey, notice the name, and so on. It's over. No

more. No raid, no blade, no slaves.

 

This is me changing, by knowing world history. I'm healing

and forgiving, by knowing the steps we took.

 

Celtus Domesticus is the Celt after the forgiveness phase.

After understanding his own weaknesses and interdependencies

in a connected world, but finding still some unique

strengths. As T. Jeffferson said, we know our strengths, we

don't boast them, and we give to others that they have

strengths as well, that we may not know about, as well.

 

For a verile man like me, a pretty woman is something

desired, but if she lay so many implied insults forever, not

knowing that she has such power over the mind through the

fleshy heart he carries, then she knows not what kind of

killing she does. The Celt has to wake up and walk away.

That's his Sannyas. It's not the Hindu version.

 

We all have all the planets in us always. We all carry a

book, a blade, a staff, a money box, etc. To deny our Mars,

our Venus, will never work, but to find out our particular

balance of them all, is wise. For me to be "Sannyas" brings

immediate fear and unhappiness which will break my heart and

my will to live, soon. So no, it's not for me. Even the

Hindu scriptures say A. It's not for this age, and B. It's

not for Rakshashas like me. I'm a hairy passionate beast at

best guided by Guru, but not a fine thing of Brahman and

Mercury. Astrologers, Yogis, wise people, recommend what

will work for the person, what they can do, but am I to be

shown the path of Sannyas then? Common people parrot the

one instruction they heard the most.

 

I think not. I think if we are honest, lets do and be what

we really are, and watch each unfold. I saw Sanjay and

others with him- they are more Sattvic and Brahminical in

the pure path, Mantra, etc. I survive best acting and living

another way, which in Hindu terminology would be labeled

with that mystery word "Tantra". Whenever we go there, to

acceptance of what is material, most people get afraid. The

following words are scary to people, because they are laden

with denied issues: Sex, Lust, Tantra, Saturn, Celts,

Death, Sacrifice, Heads, Penetration, Boundaries, Power,

Borders, Jews, Money, Hitler, History...

 

So you see what I mean? Is there a devil in there, waiting

to grab us, or is it fear, is it that we are afraid of what

we will find out about ourselves, on the natural side, the

living side, the blood and flesh side of life, the mother

side, the womb, the blood, scream, the pain. Since the dick

head caused all that, maybe we should cut it off? Or maybe

"Take Sannyas" (Hindu vows of lifelong celibacy), .....

 

Think about priests, the Catholics, the movement, so many

things around us still about this. Go outside and open your

eyes. Then see the lonely old lady or man, and feel

compassion for the aged child of god. Believe me, a touch,

a massage, a kiss, would go way further than any scripture

or sermon. Life comes from life, life is solved by life,

pain in life is solved by more life, not removal of life.

Attachment to one woman, or a particular woman, and the

problems that causes, are not be confused with "woman" in

general, so renunciation of "woman in general" is not the

solution for one who simply needs to walk away from one

particular woman.

 

I wish myself, and you, Peace and Fortune,

 

r

[Guest guest]

Excellent!

 

As YOU regain the balance, you will reach out and find a person of

similar soul who also has the balance.

 

Our Celtic forbearers knew the balance of both male, and female, fire

and water, earth and air. The old religion established lineages of priest and

priestess both equal but different and both intermingled, at certain times of

the

year, to bring their power to a fullness that neither along could achieve

separately.

 

The year moves now from MidSummer (August 15) towards the next great feast

of the Celtic year, Samhain (Oct 31). Yes, the MidSummer is the same that

Shakespear wrote about in "Mid Summer's Night's Dream" and is the feast of the

ripening crops. Samhain is the "Night of the Dead" where the veil between that

which is and that which was is parted so the ancestors can see how well we have

preserved their memories, and how our fortunes are.

 

Now you can understand why Oct 31 is called Beggar's Night, Halloween [All

Hallow's

Ev'ning]. In ancient times, the villiage would cook large meals and leave them

on the

tables at dusk. All the villiage doors would be unlocked and the people would

wait for

the ancestors to arrive. The poor of the villiage, looking for a free meal,

would cover

themselves with wood ash, and dirt and go into the houses of the more well to

do, to

eat the ancestor's meal (ostensibly as the ancestor). Now who was going to

question

your ancestor returning, for the night, as Joe the Bum. They needed some

vehicle

to move about in, and so the poor were fed, the better off got their visit from

the

ancient ones and life went on the next day. Thus the favors on Hallow's Ev'en

and the

custom of dressing up as otherworldly entities.

 

-- John M (Sean T'ch Ceanedi)

 

On 9/1/02 at 1:27 PM Das Goravani wrote:

 

>I believe I am actually in good balance, ie, both male and

>female portions of myself very alive, but I was in a

>religion which allows only the male side to live, hence the

>problems it got.

 

 

Strange but stupid:

"One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero,

they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs"

(Weren't Roman C programs always 500 lines long?)

John F (Jack) Melka

[Guest guest]

Sean

 

Appreciated are your words, by me, fully. Then, seeing my

own words quoted by you at the end of yours, the seem to

myself fanatical and slanted by anger. Sorry, Again.

Damnit. Always tell these things to the list please, at

least we can learn more about these matters here.

 

It's interesting to note the different cultures ways, for

they teach of planets too, like your storyof Samhain shows

how acceptance of Saturn played out in one group, the old,

dead, departed, and the beggars cheating, but the bind on

the observers- how can we interfere with a dead old beggar

kindof being?.. and so on, you see, what gives rise to such

acceptance of Saturn, is found elsewhere in them.... They,

the Celts, could not sack Rome, but others could, so this

teaches us more and more. It's all very educational about

Jyotish also, as it all shows the swath the planets cut

through our cultures as well as us, which we already study

much. If Rome is Sun, and Celts so Saturnine, then who could

sack Rome? If Rome is Sun, then who were the Celts they

could conquer, the Germans they could not, etc? It's all

very educational about natures, needs, ways, places in the

big picture, and so on. Notice that one of the great

problems Rome faced was Nero, an indulgent. All of these

things show us things- what the Sun can and cannot tolerate

as it's leader- the Sun Kingdom of power cannot be led by an

indulgent, for example.

 

 

 

the learning one,

 

 

Das Goravani

[Guest guest]

On 9/2/02 at 6:55 AM Das Goravani wrote:

 

>Sean

>

>Then, seeing my

>own words quoted by you at the end of yours, the seem to

>myself fanatical and slanted by anger. Sorry, Again.

>Damnit.

 

You are way too critical of yourself. There is an exercise in balance,

and this is what we must learn, that I learned about many years ago.

When you are going to be critical with yourself, imagine that the conversation

is not with yourself but your best friend. And imaging that he (she) is saying

it

to you. If you would be hurt, offended, angered, or enraged by it, DON'T DO IT

TO YOURSELF. You have to be your own best friend and in doing so, you will

find others attracted to you.

 

Balance is not something easily learned, take that from Carl Walenda, the high

wire artist. Look up his life once, if you want to learn how hard balance

really

is. Mastery is a relative term.

 

Slante'

John (Sean)

 

 

Strange but stupid:

"One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero,

they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs"

(Weren't Roman C programs always 500 lines long?)

John F (Jack) Melka