Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Dear List members This is my Ayanamsha 01/01/0999 51.5 seconds of arc per year. Try on charts and all will get the precise results. If any doubts write me personally I will love to read the chart. Best wishes Tarun Chopra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Tarun, I apologise for not getting back sooner. I ran the Jyotish for the chart data I gave you the data for, and from what I have analysed so far, it seems to be closer that the original one I ran with Lahiri, and the second one I ran from yet another source. I am still going over it but some things that did come out in this chart that didn't in the others Sun and moon conjoined in the first house: Premature loss of parent(s). Fact: Father was dead at age 9. Mother had trouble recovering and was distant for a number of years. Durmukha Yoga - Trouble with throat, voice, speech, teeth, looks, etc Fact: Bothered by sore throats, and cough most of adult life due to allergies. Matibhraman Yoga - Depressions and anxieties in life, eccentricity or isolation. Fact: All occured in mid life. Scorpio and Ketu in House 9. You may secure true insight into spiritual secrets. Fact: Person has studied these for many years. Lord of 10 is in 1 and there is one beneficial placement to the Lord of 1st: Famous but prone to sickness. Fact: has professional reputation, but has chronic stomach problems. This is a much closer chart than before. Thank you *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/20/02 at 9:27 PM astrotarun wrote: >Dear List members > >This is my Ayanamsha 01/01/0999 51.5 seconds of arc per year. Strange but stupid: "One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs" (Weren't Roman C programs always 500 lines long?) John F (Jack) Melka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 Om Gurave Namah The reason/logic for this is? regds hari - "astrotarun" <astrotarun <gjlist> Wednesday, August 21, 2002 2:57 AM [GJ] My Ayanamsha > Dear List members > > This is my Ayanamsha 01/01/0999 51.5 seconds of arc per year. > > Try on charts and all will get the precise results. If any doubts > write me personally I will love to read the chart. > > > Best wishes > > Tarun Chopra > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 Dear Sir, I don’t know about astronomically but I know astrologically and if you want to reach any place there is not only one way you can also go by other way also. So I have coined by astrologically. Sir I am not saying that you all start going with this Ayanamsha I am just saying that please do consider this one also you may find good results as compare with other Ayanamsha. You know sir I have been much suffered due to wrong Ayanamsha so I just want to share my findings with the list. My motive is just pure nothing else I hope you will understand and be open to my findings Best Regards Tarun Chopra --- Das Goravani <> wrote: > > > I was going to write a tactful letter, but to prove > that my > Mercury is combust, I'll just go with the feeling > that I'm > just "too burnt out" to lie (oh sorry, I mean, be > diplomatic) > > I think our ayanamsha creating friend is not aware > of the > seriousness of the matters with which he currently > is playing. > > That's my impression anyway. > > In the last few days he changed his precession rate > by 20 > sec/arc/yr, and increased his alignment date to > compensate. > You end up with the same values today, but with the > added > convenience of using the correct precession rate > (observable > reality comes to our aid on that number). > > I need not proceed amongst the learned, but to > protect the > innocent, oh well, damn duty again, boring.... > > > Ayanamsha, "the subtracted amont", is directly > related to > the precession of the equinoxes, or the difference > between > the sidereal and tropical zodiacs. The tropical > zodiac is > observable in the Northern Hemisphere life world as > the > seasons. The earth is on a wobble like any good > 'spinning-top' toy, Gods little human maker/cage > ball here > named Gaia being no different. > > The sidereal zodiac is the real stars. The Sun for > example > enters the Stars of Aries on about April 14th each > year. > However, you know that solstice stuff, you know, the > longest > day shortest day of the year stuff? > > Yeah, that's "real" in that it's "observable", > k-no-wa what > I minno ? > > So, like if you start your signs on those days, then > like, > whenever those days are, like thats when the sign > starts > according to you then, right? RIght. > > OK, so like, what if the Earths wobbling motion is > each > making that solstice happen a little bit sooner or > later or > such? Is that possible? > > Yes, definitely- later, by 52 seconds of arc > distance in > space, or in other words, if you see the Earth as a > ball > comprising 360 degrees, each of those degs having 60 > minutes > within themselves, and each of those having 60 > seconds > within, so the movement forward is this: > > The year lengthens really, so people say stuff like > "the > earth is slowing down" and sell lots of video tapes. > > See that where the Sun is in the zodiac, against > that back > drop, is 50 seconds earlier in distance traversed > against > the starry backdrop, each year, which after 70 years > or so > is around a degree, and so after 2000 years or so > you have > like say 23 degrees difference like we do now. > > There are 23 degrees difference between the 2 "we > are going > to say 'aries starts here' groups", the tropicalist > and the > siderealists. > > Tropical is sun sign, solstice based, our seasons > based, > astrology. > > Sidereal astrology, RELIES on the ayanamsha to > calculate > backwards from tropical values arrived at by the > computations. Since astronomers don't care about > reading > charts, they are fine if the zodiac slips, so long > as they > all know what each other is talking about. > > But they will look at planets, and they know the > difference > between the two "referencing systems" which is > really all > this is to astronomy knowers. It's all negotiable > when the > science is dry. > > But when the look at Saturn today, they see where it > is, and > they know where Tropical calcs would put it, and > they adjust > much like with an ayanamsha. They KNOW as I do that > our > current calculations are correct. We know what the > sep > currently is, that is not in question. Lahiri is > best for > this and for us therefore as far as I understand. > > Ayanamsha is a not a perfect science yet from NASA's > > viewpoint as some parts of that puzzle a not fully > solved to > exacting numbers, such as alignment date if any > existed, ... > more on the wobble... it has not been observed in > the modern > tracking sense all that long, but ancient cultures > knew of > the problem, so it's also not a new thing at all. > > I find that to stand and say "my ayanamsha" is a > very risky > proposeful on the field of intellectuals who know > better. > > But, there is one thing I too will do anything for, > yes, > love. And in that arena, I'm a fool, no > intellectual. > > Is love worth overlooking astronomy? > > > Hell yeah! > > > Wait, don't be a Kelt for a moment. > > > Uhhh, of course not! > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > : > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 Dear Wendy Thanks for your comments According to me Yogananda ji Venus is in fifth house. Just read these lines which matches with Yogananda ji With regards Tarun Chopra VENUS IN THE FOURTH HOUSE shows happy conditions in the home, particularly In the latter part of life. It also indicates that an inheritance may be Left to the person and that if he owns houses or lands he will gain much by Them. VENUS IN THE FIFTH HOUSE makes the person unusually affectionate in indicates that the marriage will be fruitful and production of lovely and loving children. It is a fortunate position For teachers and people connect with education institutions, also for those Engaged in publication of literature and for gain by speculation in stocks Or similar securities. --- Wendy Vasicek <wenvas wrote: > Das Wrote: > > But when they look at Saturn today, they see where > it is, and > > they know where Tropical calcs would put it, and > they adjust > > much like with an ayanamsha. They KNOW as I do > that our > > current calculations are correct. We know what the > sep > > currently is, that is not in question. Lahiri is > best for > > this and for us therefore as far as I understand. > > Yes Das, > Absolutely, 100%, positively, indisputably correct!! > I don't know why these > issues of ayanamsha keep surfacing year after year > but I suspect it may be > due to some astrologers trying to make sense of > charts with incorrect T.O.B. > They fiddle with the ayanamsha trying to rectify the > situation...instead of > fiddling with the time. Another reason is > inexperienced astrologers > adjusting charts to fit with what they think they > should be. > > I'm sorry to say that the recent discussion on > Paramahansa (with Venus > moving to 5th) is way off the mark. Following the > events of his life as > manifested through vimsottari dasa system there can > be no doubt that his > chart according to Lahiri ayanamsha is correct. > > Best Wishes, > Wendy > > http://www.ganesh-astro.iinet.net.au > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > : > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 >Dear SIR, I don't know about astronomically but I know astrologically and if you want to reach any place there is not only one way you can also go by other way also. So I have coined by astrologically. SIR I am not saying that you all start going with this Ayanamsha I am just saying that please do consider this one also you may find good results as compare with other Ayanamsha. You know SIR I have been much suffered due to wrong Ayanamsha so I just want to share my findings with the list. My motive is just pure, nothing else. <------ BS I hope you will understand and be open to my findings> Tarun, Drop all the sir crap, at least on me, that's the word the oppressors used for themselves. And don't use Sri either for me, because I'm not in that category either. Just put O at the end of things of en-deer-ment. Then my deer, you got me too. Like Sally-O. "My motive is just pure, nothing else." Patriarchal concept. Which is really why you are suffering. You cannot have a woman without jumping through total nightmares. I understand. I bleed for my brothers in India, trapped in immense cultural blockage and baggage. I suggest to any intelligent Indian to participate in some sort of organized, agreed up dismantling of certain parts of the ancient cultural stigmas still lingering from dealing with so much Christianity and Islam. Anyway.... However, dear friend, you didn't address anything scientific. You are like, avoiding that? Or do you know better, if so, enlighten me, please, as I do not want to be in gross error over such matters as the PET (precessed equinox) Topic, OK, so you have to own up to that part of this as well. What is the reason you are doing this, and what is the basis. This is NOT an attack. It's a question. If the answer is, "I don't know what I'm doing scientifically, but I'm having fun", then just say that, and I will applaud you for honesty and wise use of time. -- Das Goravani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 Dear Das Goravani, It seems to me that you are not agreeing on my viewpoint and you think that all the work I am doing for fun. I don’t know any thing about scientific lets say I have found it by intuition let other people try to find the scientific reason. Do you agree with your new chart According to my Ayanamsha I know it is very difficult for a fixed sign to change the viewpoints very soon and it is ok no problems there are some people now started to believe that I am going in right direction. I should just try to move I hope all will be right in matter of time. With thanks, Tarun Chopra HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 Hello So, you are saying: You are imagining things We should spend out time testing your dreams If we are flattered by the results, should we accept them? If you make me like myself better, does that make you right? In life there is both, intuition and science. I respect you, don't get me wrong, totally respect you, but I'm glad we now know the basis of "your ayanamsa" but I'm sorry I had to basically reveal you, pull you out, and so on, to get you to say that, whereas, out of courtesy to the intelligent and time-honoring intellectual or anybody here, it would have been better for you to say that up front, instead of using mystery to add some value. Now why don't you come out fully and tell us why you are wishing to intuit this, and be real honest. Firstly, lets see if an Indian can be fully honest, why don't you show us- give up lieing and cheating, denying your needs and trying to please Christian and Islamic morality which is inferior in my opinion to your own ancestries in terms of complexity and reality. So, why not believe in yourself and your real needs. You don't have to change Jyotish to be happy. Then, secondly, do so without any hesitation or worry about loss, for that is against your scriptures and all of us know better anyway- truth works, that's why it's called Truth. Why are you doing this, maybe we can help you another way, rather than going down this distraction channel. Unless you can provide any basis for your work, forget it. You CANNOT intuit an ayanamsha that is drastically different than Lahiris. At least Yukteshwar's and Raman's are somewhat close. God is not a lie. Intuition should match reality. Reality is good, because it is real, and therefore "Güd". You've been Ra-Gü'd, don't take it personally, because it's not personal. In fact, it's for all, one for all, all for one. -- Das Goravani , President 2852 Willamette St, #353 Eugene, Oregon, 97405 USA Voice: or <> Home of "Goravani Jyotish" Vedic Astrology Software , and more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 Dear Das Goravani, I should stick to my self not to tell what i am doing i will not write any postings but dont remove me from the list with Thanks Tarun Chopra Hello > > So, you are saying: > > > You are imagining things > We should spend out time testing your dreams > If we are flattered by the results, should we accept > them? > If you make me like myself better, does that make > you right? > > > In life there is both, intuition and science. I > respect > you, don't get me wrong, totally respect you, but > I'm glad > we now know the basis of "your ayanamsa" but I'm > sorry I had > to basically reveal you, pull you out, and so on, to > get you > to say that, whereas, out of courtesy to the > intelligent and > time-honoring intellectual or anybody here, it would > have > been better for you to say that up front, instead of > using > mystery to add some value. > > Now why don't you come out fully and tell us why you > are > wishing to intuit this, and be real honest. Firstly, > lets > see if an Indian can be fully honest, why don't you > show us- > give up lieing and cheating, denying your needs and > trying > to please Christian and Islamic morality which is > inferior > in my opinion to your own ancestries in terms of > complexity > and reality. So, why not believe in yourself and > your real > needs. You don't have to change Jyotish to be happy. > Then, > secondly, do so without any hesitation or worry > about loss, > for that is against your scriptures and all of us > know > better anyway- truth works, that's why it's called > Truth. > > Why are you doing this, maybe we can help you > another way, > rather than going down this distraction channel. > Unless you > can provide any basis for your work, forget it. You > CANNOT > intuit an ayanamsha that is drastically different > than > Lahiris. At least Yukteshwar's and Raman's are > somewhat close. > > God is not a lie. Intuition should match reality. > Reality is > good, because it is real, and therefore "Güd". > > You've been Ra-Gü'd, don't take it personally, > because it's > not personal. In fact, it's for all, one for all, > all for one. > > > > > -- > > > Das Goravani , President > > 2852 Willamette St, #353 > Eugene, Oregon, 97405 > USA > > Voice: > > or > > <> > > > Home of "Goravani Jyotish" > > Vedic Astrology Software , and more... > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > : > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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