Guest guest Posted August 13, 2002 Report Share Posted August 13, 2002 Hi everyone, Today, my few friends here in Eugene came over, and to them, in front of them, in their presence, I broke down and was myself fully, and asked questions, that came from deep within me, and told out my pains and woes, and cried aloud. It's not that their replies did it, but somehow, crying and balling, laughing and such, and saying everything to my few friends, and then at one point, while listening to an old Celtic melody, I had the cry of a lifetime, for all those that died in the conquest of Gaul by Caesar, and then of Britain, the famine in Ireland, and so many things, it all came out, in one big cry. Then I recounted, in a quick way, the events of Ancient Europe and Rome, then Christ, the Apostles, Paul, then the conversion of the Emporer, the spread of Christianity, up to the present, and just watched one friends jaw drop a few inches, her face change completely, and then she just said "Oh my God, that's fascinating". Tonite I am re-reading "The Ancient Celts" by Barry Cunliffe, professor of European Archaeology at Oxford. This is a scholarly book, but in being so, it contains a concise and complete review of the archaeological and other historical evidences about the Celts, their times, and the events of history that led to their virtual cultural extinction. The book covers it all quite clearly, bringing you right up to the current times. Mr. Cunliffe covers it all in great detail. So now it's 3 AM. What a day. Lots of confusion. Tons of emotions. I let it all out. Then a clarity came. I began to read. I passed the evening alone reading and re-reading, not believing what I was reading. The huge armies, the massive amounts of dead, the huge amounts of gold taken back to Italy, and on and on. I am struck with wonder at how a few key individuals have so shaped our modern times. Tonite I am pondering the lives of Julius Caesar, who with his armies travelled all over Europe bringing the Celts under control in the last century BC. And that of Christ, who came with power into a time and place where Monotheism of the Jesus style was not at all in vogue. How Paul converted, met the brother of Christ, and spread his version of Christianity. Then of Constantine, who spread that version further, and how it ultimately took over nearly all of Europe, and went to places like South America, New Zealand, Australia, and of course, America. Ever since then, the freedoms it affords by dint of it's inherent disconnection from nature due to it's anti-body and anti-natural forces as God stance, has led to the industrial revolution and all it's side effects. It's not surprising to me that America has led the industrial revolution, because here you have a massive country by land size, as well as one rich with all types of resources, which was conquered by a people who had just come from nothing but thousands of years of war, virtually, and with all the perfections of war that history provided them, were easily able to subdue the indigenous "Indians" and take over the vast land. Then, because they were "Christians", these white settlers were no longer bridled by belief in "Natural Forces" and "Spirits". Then, they were coming from a rather seriously vicious group of bloodlines, ie, the Celtic, Germanic and Norsk lines primarily, and so, what you get, is a meat eating culture, with very little old culture, just a new fanatical idea about God, Heaven, and so forth, ie, Christianity, and a puritanical version of it at that. America is directly an overflow of fanatical converted White peoples, converted to the new Jewish related religion called Christianity, who for various reasons left Europe to come to the new land of America to settle it for themselves. So now you have the heavy duty Europeans, who as indigenous peoples themselves prior to Julius's, Christ, Paul and Constantine's times say, were themselves very much like the American Indians in many ways. Now they had become Latinized/Romanized, and Christianized. They took it fanatically, and brought it to America. America to Europe is like a distant Island back in those times. It's 'way far away' from the "old world" of Europe. So, forgetfulness set in, and "Americans" as they grew through the passing decades which turned into a couple centuries now, have formed their own "Americanized" version of history, which leaves out most of European history amongst the schooling of kids, and thus, the white people of America, grew up along through their generations more and more thinking of themselves as free, central, powerful, disconnected from any history, virtually forgot history, forgot to teach it to their children, and gradually developed a very materialistic culture. In this environment everything needed for the "industrial revolution" was present, much more so than anywhere else. You have no limiting culture, no limiting enemies, plenty of land, plenty of resources. You have every reason to do it, and no reason not to. One Roman historian wrote of the conversion of Britain to Roman ways in the early days, noting that the Celts there were falling for the Arches, Public Squares, and Temples that the new Roman authorities were causing to be built, saying that they were being "led to accept lives of vice nicely" and that they (the Celts) were referring to these amenities as "civilization when actually they were signs of their enslavement". Note the ease with which they looked down at the Celts because they were "barbaric", ie, not "civilized". When you read the notes at length, you realize they manipulated the more religiously thinking Celts deliberately as a regular affair in managing the new province of the Celtic areas. Similarly, when the converted Whites later came to America as "Christians", they did the same thing to the "Indians" that the Romans did to them- take over, take control, Christianize, treat the natives as "Barbarians". One interesting point to ponder: It can be reasonably traced to alchohol, Italian Wine, that led to the fall of the Celtic world. Rome successfully intermingled with it's surrounding neighbors in the centuries just pre-BC. The Celtic world took to Italian wine and imported it in massive quantities. The findings of Roman wine flasks in which wine was shipped North to Gaul, at various ports and known archaeological trading points, show this fact. It was huge. Italy got Europe hooked on Italian wine. Then, when this and other important revenue channels were threatened by changes in Europe due mainly to Germanic migrations, Caesar grabbed the excuse of a Germanic overthrow of Gaul as a reason to invade Gaul. You could say, that it was largely to protect the exploit of Gauls financially, that Rome overthrew Europe. Also, the Celts were apparently so feverish about this wine, that they paid huge prices for it. We see this still today. People in Europe paying high prices for "fine Italian wines". Wine, is also a part of Christianity. A very important part. Wine, is also what Irish and Scotts, the two most heavily Celtic countries left, are known for drinking too much of, along with American Indians, who share a similar fate. It seems that those cultures who lived very nature-based lives, fell easily to the temptations of ease, luxury, pleasure, intoxication, because they had, after all, hard lives, based in nature, interacting moreso directly with nature, than the Italians, who enjoyed a warmer and more mild climate as compared to their Northern Neighbors, the Gauls and Britons etc., the Celts. Wine, and other attachments to the trade coming from outside the Celtic regions, is what led to their becoming conquered. It's a very repeating pattern in history. A country gets attached to something from outside itself, then that bloodline of bloodletting, becomes their downfall. By the way, hundreds of thousands of Celts were stolen during Roman conquests and sold into slavery. There were Celtic slaves all over the Roman empire. Since this was a "barbaric" people to the Romans, they had no problem treating them as such. It's ironic that they would forget this, and themselves do it to others later. This is one example of the effects of forgetting negative history. Also, the early Celts and Romans and other cultures of that time, used "the Raid" as a means of gaining power amongst warriors. The greater a warriors following of men, ie, his personal army, as well as the greater the booty he commanded from his raids, the greater his power back home. Spreading gold and booty was common. This eventually turned into printing coins with one's head and name on them. It's the same idea- to show one's authority and greatness- to show one's control over wealth, gold, etc. In the old times, as now really, but more obviously back then, power was gotten and maintained and stored in things such as raids, weapons, armies, wealth, booty, land, heroic deeds, etc. From this style of culture, the Roman Empire emerged as the leader. In doing so, many farmers became soldiers and left their farms, which were made into larger farms, owned by single landowners. These farms produced excess crops for export quite often, and protecting those markets became an interest of the Roman empire, and that was the real cause of the conquest of Gaul- it's very similar to politics today- to protect money, ultimately one's power, pleasure, wealth, prestige. So, Celtic culture is gone because of Wine and Greed- two very common sources of problems. The Celts were a part of this too. Most people in any culture are "average", and that means, they will always go for anything you offer them which is more enjoyable, more easy, more pleasurable, etc., than what they currently have. It takes a person of learning and virtue to be able to distinguish things on a finer level, thinking of the future, the planet, religion, spirituality, etc. Common people know food, posessions, etc. So in other words, just before the time of Christ, alchohol brought down a great ancient culture, and this happened to feed a great superpower that was materialistic and not ashamed of or afraid of taking over entire other continents for the sake of slaves, resources, etc, to feed their own cultures greeds, lusts, etc. Often, when Romans conquered Celts, they simply took the captives home as slaves. It was that simple. That's what you did with captured Celts- you made them slaves. There wasn't much thinking about it. Senators in Rome who tried to ask for more rights for Celts in the Roman Empire were laughed at loudly. This is how the "White people of Europe" were dealt with by the invading/occupying superpower 2000 years ago. 2000 years ago, the white people of Europe were the American Indians to the Romans, they were you could say, equal to African slaves- you go there, you conquer a village, take everybody, kill who you don't want, and take them back home as slaves. Sell their children as they "breed in captivity" and so on. Roman soldiers were often paid by the leader in slaves, dividing up the captured, who were brought back to Rome to work the fields etc. 2000 years ago, the last free Celtic country was Ireland ("Hybernia"). It remained unconquered, and hardly had armies, weapons and so on. It was a more peaceful Celtic land, because it did not border anybody, like Germans, Romans, and the other dangerous and conflicting people's fighting each other on the mainland. And unlike Britain, it was not the first stop off the European continent, nor was it as big and rich as England in as many ways. It was, ignorable, in many ways, during the heavy conquest years of Rome in which Europe and then England fell to Roman rule. 2000 years ago, the governor of England, a Roman leader, looked across at Ireland and talked about what it would take to conquer it. Also around that time, the last Celtic chariots ever to be used in battle were used against Roman troops in Scotland. It was the end of an era, and the beginning of a new one. Christ, then Christianity, and all the history we all know well began. The old world ended, and the new one started. Now 2000 years later, people like me are looking the other way, back at Europe from Ireland's descendents, and saying, how about we turn it around a bit through education? I walk outside now, and look up and down my street in Eugene Oregon. I see cars and houses. I see the Latin Alphabet letters on the cars, a Celtic word, carpa, meaning vehicle. I see therefore, Celt and Roman, still together. I see the houses that hold my black neighbors, the descendents of slaves, and realize, I too am a descendent of slaves. Pretty much everybody is a descendent of slaves around here! The world that is! Yes, the time of "the raid", and "the blade" and "the slave" led to the need for Rome to export wine and other things, which led to war, and cultural genocide. It's a massive scale and early example in recorded history of the effects of international economic trade between super powers and smaller countries or powers, and how "vices" were used to "manipulate simple people" into becoming dependent, conquered. The ancient Celtic culture was heavily tied to natural forces, a Pantheon of Gods, the Supreme, Reincarnation, spirituality heavily so, and so on. When these things were removed, and replaced with an unnatural religion lacking it's own culture, the result was not good. The old world overran it's bounds with war and battle, warrior based cultures, and the resultant religion, Christianity, was imbalanced in the other direction, removing all of natural forces from the religion. I can see, as I look up and down my street, that where I stand today, is simply a direct outgrowth of the minds and lives of Julius, Christ, Paul, Constantine, and other great history makers. The rest of us, most of us, just learn what they tell us to learn, believe it as true, and go on, buying their imported products, and paying their taxes. Some of us, even take up, and defend their religion, sometimes even killing our own people, all in an attempt to align ourselves with the wealthy, but oppressive, powers that be. Powers, and wealth, that be. We want to be with the power and wealth, that "be". For where is your power and wealth, there two, will be your heart. It's a matter of where your "be" is located. Where is your "be", or your existence, your reality, what you love. Is it in things, or natural forces/truths/realities/spirituality? Where do you "be" most comfortably, thinking about what? Where is your heart? Reason I ask is I found one, so if somebody can identify it... Looks unused. Says "Julius" on it... -- Das Goravani , President 2852 Willamette St, #353 Eugene, Oregon, 97405 USA Voice: or <> Home of "Goravani Jyotish" Vedic Astrology Software , and more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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