Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 hey, uh, fact that I'm dieing here aside, i'll part dissipate in this disc ruption. I canto belly, they're a preachy tume, about these things...argh...ok..deal is guys, chandras, and other planets, the holy name stuff is great, but as soon as you come closer, kaboom, then there's the stuff like "Guruji", which means, cult. There's always that central figure. Then his norms become the norms, and so on. That's cult. Anyway, just so happens in this HK one, that you sex life is not cared about. The woman and men are all taught the same old garbage, you know, woman in back, men in front, woman cover their heads, blah blah blah, as if we're so stupid and such sheep, and it's only done around the temple. Well, having given my life, and now rejected, and stayed overtime with my gurukuli wife because she was week, out of dharma, in other words dear ones, I'm pissed off because we're all not seeing what is so obvious which is that this pattern following thing is just a cultural and social trip at best, can you not see that? It's not really about developing your own selves, it's just, follow and belong. Well, fine, I did that, but we didn't really care about me, no, we did not. We did not care about any of us in fact. We only cared about Krishna, supposedly, but does he need us to do that? No, we did it as one big social experiment within ourselves, and you're not blissed out from chanting the name. Geez fellas and ladies, you know how many people I know who were devotees and chanted away for decades and I do not consider them blissed out in any way? Many, most, are not as good a person as myself. Do you want me to start rattling off the Gaudiya Math history wherein highest longest devotees "went berserk" and killed each other, suicide too, etc.? I can't stand the fact that every day I and others preached that stuff like Chandra Devi and Suka Das did here to me, yet I and many others had real needs that the Gurus pretended weren't there. That's what you call a social experiment. You see, the Brahmacaris, they thought there really was another shoe that was going to drop, the foot soldiers thought that way. Maybe those on top too. But eventually we all found out there was no other shoe. Many are still saying all this stuff about how great it is, but it's another cultural expression of the eternal divine dynamic really, with all the trimmings. I don't mind just "holy name science", but when you start adding Guruji and other Indian verbage and cultish little quips, as if one is blissful and serene, then people get misled, they go following thinking oh soon I'll be all whispy and cool and mellow.... I think there's just a different way to represent yourself and religion. The usual way is a turn off and I can tell parrots when I hear them. I'm not going to pace the room or sit and rattle off rounds til i find my wits I'll push on my world to see if it's there, if it's not, then I'm leaving and going elsewhere. So far, it's not there, not giving me much, just four walls, a stall, a toilet and such. If I have to move on to another life soon, away from this boring work in one room, then maybe i'll see one of you someday as I wander along alone on my way. Please, no parrots come to my nest, no parrots no parrots I proclaim and protest, I must know some people, now finally it's time, some loving fine people who have their own mind In the end, I admit, this is all about, the reason why I scream and shout, is as simple as this, I need a kiss, I need someone and to have some fun, a little attention, not anal retention, a real solution, not www pollution. soon I will stop, quite everything, withdraw, reduce, take off my wings, hang up my coat, burn the computer, climb on a cloud as a cosmic commuter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2002 Report Share Posted August 10, 2002 First you say, that "nobody's there for you, you're all alone, nobody cares". Then, you remind us that your voice mail box is full, and you have so many emails that you have to be selective about whose to respond to. You reach out for help in the most pathetic ways, and then when people reach out to you, you snipe at them instead. You would like someone to come and be with you, but oh, they can't be overweight, right? You wish to take your position as a spiritual leader, yet denounce people's gurus or their method of worship. All you need is someone to love, right? All you need is a kiss - but when people pour their heart out to you, yours remains shut tight instead. I read some very sincere emails on your list, of people trying their best to offer the best of what works for them. Instead, you trash and defile them as cult followers or brainwashed people. Think about this: you yourself are the creator of your situation, and the origins of it are obvious: Narcissism at its finest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2002 Report Share Posted August 11, 2002 Dear Das, please keep in mind that the Guru's job is not to make life happy while we are here, but to get each of us to the highest point of evolution when we do leave. We have several lifetimes of Karma already gathered up even before getting to this one, the spiritual practices and the support of the Guru helps us burn that karma waiting for us in the next life and the next, so that we can sooner escape the often unpleasent cycle of birth and death. We can handle what we have to burn this lifetime without the help of the Guru (God never gives a burnden we can't handle), we handle it until it is time to die, at which point we have burned all the good and bad karmas alloted to this lifetime. BUt then there is the karma for the next. So you see it is not a good deal to get improvements in this temporal lifetime when we can use that merit accumulated by spiritual practices to erase what will otherwise bring us back again- because it is never ever great here, only sometimes nice. Krishna does not reccomend to do rituals for improvements in worldly life- to do so allows us to have enjoyments that make wordly life attractive which increases the desire for wordly living, which of course brings us back here. I write this hoping you will find some happiness knowing, perhaps, that what you have done and are doing, and will do will help you, both the spiritual practices and of course the grilling. Your friend, Ernst Wilhelm - "Das Goravani" <> <gjlist> Saturday, August 10, 2002 1:39 PM [GJ] holy cults aatman ! > > > hey, uh, fact that I'm dieing here aside, i'll part > dissipate in this disc ruption. > > I canto belly, they're a preachy tume, about these > things...argh...ok..deal is guys, chandras, and other > planets, the holy name stuff is great, but as soon as you > come closer, kaboom, then there's the stuff like "Guruji", > which means, cult. There's always that central figure. Then > his norms become the norms, and so on. That's cult. > > Anyway, just so happens in this HK one, that you sex life is > not cared about. The woman and men are all taught the same > old garbage, you know, woman in back, men in front, woman > cover their heads, blah blah blah, as if we're so stupid and > such sheep, and it's only done around the temple. > > Well, having given my life, and now rejected, and stayed > overtime with my gurukuli wife because she was week, out of > dharma, in other words dear ones, I'm pissed off because > we're all not seeing what is so obvious which is that this > pattern following thing is just a cultural and social trip > at best, can you not see that? > > It's not really about developing your own selves, it's just, > follow and belong. Well, fine, I did that, but we didn't > really care about me, no, we did not. We did not care about > any of us in fact. We only cared about Krishna, supposedly, > but does he need us to do that? > > No, we did it as one big social experiment within ourselves, > and you're not blissed out from chanting the name. Geez > fellas and ladies, you know how many people I know who were > devotees and chanted away for decades and I do not consider > them blissed out in any way? Many, most, are not as good a > person as myself. Do you want me to start rattling off the > Gaudiya Math history wherein highest longest devotees "went > berserk" and killed each other, suicide too, etc.? > > I can't stand the fact that every day I and others preached > that stuff like Chandra Devi and Suka Das did here to me, > yet I and many others had real needs that the Gurus > pretended weren't there. That's what you call a social > experiment. You see, the Brahmacaris, they thought there > really was another shoe that was going to drop, the foot > soldiers thought that way. Maybe those on top too. But > eventually we all found out there was no other shoe. > > Many are still saying all this stuff about how great it is, > but it's another cultural expression of the eternal divine > dynamic really, with all the trimmings. > > I don't mind just "holy name science", but when you start > adding Guruji and other Indian verbage and cultish little > quips, as if one is blissful and serene, then people get > misled, they go following thinking oh soon I'll be all > whispy and cool and mellow.... > > I think there's just a different way to represent yourself > and religion. The usual way is a turn off and I can tell > parrots when I hear them. > > > I'm not going to pace the room or sit > and rattle off rounds til i find my wits > I'll push on my world to see if it's there, > if it's not, then I'm leaving and going elsewhere. > > So far, it's not there, not giving me much, > just four walls, a stall, a toilet and such. > If I have to move on to another life soon, > away from this boring work in one room, > then maybe i'll see one of you someday > as I wander along alone on my way. > > Please, no parrots come to my nest, > no parrots no parrots I proclaim and protest, > I must know some people, now finally it's time, > some loving fine people who have their own mind > > > > In the end, I admit, this is all about, the reason why I > scream and shout, is as simple as this, I need a kiss, I > need someone and to have some fun, a little attention, not > anal retention, a real solution, not www pollution. > > > > > soon I will stop, quite everything, withdraw, reduce, take > off my wings, > hang up my coat, burn the computer, climb on a cloud as a > cosmic commuter Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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