Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 I personally find Jyotish works very well. Totally well. In fact, I always see it working, I live in a world of it. There are only planets near you sir, and they have immense field strength, in fact, they levitate your cells right now, and do so to the fetus. The ascendent is always where it should be for me, the same as the events that actually happen in my life. So I see only order, and therefore, consider "chaos" a non-existent theory, and therefore, I need not even deal with it. I guarantee you sir with my self and all that is worth, that Jyotish works. However, we still have to live our lives, so if you don't get it clearly like I do, it really doesn't matter, it just means you have some other purpose. No, it isn't chaos, with us searching for order. It's order, and we're trying to convince ourselves that it's chaotic, and that we are making a difference, so we're trying to own our lives and actions, we get attached, then frustrated, then experience anger, etc. So when we realize it's preplanned and basically a "lesson tour", then we can relax more and watch the ride for the hidden signs, so we can get the lessons done with kinda, and maybe move on to a higher ground, or have fun in the time left over (I'm kidding around here now). But for real, there never has been a time when we did not exist, and there never has been a time when we were not in some maya, either maha or yoga, material or spiritual, because for one to show as many, requires maya, or illusion, of locality, and so on. So these things are there in both worlds say the literal scriptures like the Bhagavatam. So it makes sense. We are travelling in time and space, a relative temporary arrangement which hovers where, we know not. And in that we are dying and learning, usually frustrated all the while. So you explain to me why this is here, how it came to be, for what purpose, etc. if you can. I want to know. I can explain all of that to you rather clearly, I feel. Because there is a lack of answers, we are behooved to accept the Vedic as best. We can augment that with findings and go on. It's quite satisfactory. Quite. Under this conception, people get everything they need to be happy, as does the Earth. It's good. The current system leaves many people in want, so it's not successful. The leaders should feel pain based on the current mental condition of this country, at least. So unenlightened and even unworldly. If there was Chaos, your body would not stay together, would it? There is no such thing as chaos. Divinity wants us to learn how to be happy in only consciousness. This is where all the lessons go. We are gradually settled into yogi like bodies, old, thin, wrinkled, and cannot move, just like a yogi meditating. Ultimately we lie there waiting to die, forced to think, and be only ourselves inside a dieing body. Which is what we always are. The whole arrangement makes sense- that you are being cajoled and trained to be a detached worker inside any material arrangement. The goal is to be equipoised at all times, in any situation, knowing "situations" to basically be "maya" or illusion, or if you want to see it brightly, which is also true, it's a play, or lila. But we usually reserve that word for the pastimes of the more enlightened. As the younger souls learn in these more material shorter lives as we are now, it is about lessons. Right now it's very accelerated on Earth. The Internet represents that humanity as a whole has reached a certain point. It creates more talking. It's 3rd house energy. We're moving along. Does this help? I can assure you that with my incredible brain, I see Jyotish working much more than I can talk about. I notice that when I break the reality barrier, nobody gets it, comments, nothing. You see, you can only see what you believe, and vice versa. Inference is a type of seeing. We can infer many things from what we see, properly, and generally that's fine, as long as we watch ourselves, keep balance, don't go too far with it. You are a witness, but because you are in matter, you are forced to turn and spin with it as if you are stuck on a rock flying through space. You hold on, it spins, you spin. It explodes, you're gone. It has life and water, then you do too, if it doesn't, you don't. Not much free will there. But if you have the ability, granted from before, to see all this, and dare to simply flip it off, call it illusion, see it as it is, a hunk of broken dirt floating in some relative space for Divinities own reasons, which we know nothing about unless we accept ancient books- the guy is never around personally- see our predicament? We are challenged to have faith my friend. In other words, your question is THE question- are you going to believe there is a reason for life, or are you going to give up and figure it's just a bunch of chaos and chemicals without any meaning or reason? The person who writes the word "Chaos" is doing it's opposite, by arranging letters. You cannot even express "Chaos". It's virtually impossible to conceive of it actually, because as soon as you do, you will notice something about it, which will define it as say, "a dust storm" or "a bunch of swirling...", you see, there is no such "thing" unless mind contacts matter, or, witness contacts the kshetra, the field. In Spiritual "Worlds" there is also a field, a seer, a witness that is, and the process of seeing and interacting in that field. That is true here, and there, and this is like, Sankhya, the process of understanding logically what is what. There can only be order actually, but it is so complex, we think it is chaotic, which is only to admit we do not see the patterns. Remember John Nash who broke the code of numbers? Some minds see patterns better than others. He was good at it to a disturbing fault. -- Das Goravani , President 2852 Willamette St, #353 Eugene, Oregon, 97405 USA Voice: or <> Home of "Goravani Jyotish" Vedic Astrology Software , and more... 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Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 Dear GD, GD: <So you explain to me why this is here, how it came to be, for what purpose, etc. if you can. I want to know. I can explain all of that to you rather clearly, I feel. Because there is a lack of answers, we are behooved to accept the Vedic as best. We can augment that with findings and go on. It's quite satisfactory. Quite. Under this conception, people get everything they need to be happy, as does the Earth. It's good. The current system leaves many people in want, so it's not successful. The leaders should feel pain based on the current mental condition of this country, at least. So unenlightened and even unworldly.>> ME: I am unable to understand what could be the purpose of life under the Vedic ideology. Why should there be life with all its complexities. Who could have created it with all its order and illusions? Why? With "CHAOS", one could explain that life occured as a chance. I am not trying to be athiestic here or offend anybody's sensibilities. I see myself "flipflop" between these two ideologies. See myselves sitting on the fence for far too long. I want to take the plunge one way or the other. Envy all of you who seem to know the answers so clearly. Can anybody find out if it is "worth it to take the plunge without actually taking the plunge"? Again it is not laziness, not blasphemy, not even scepticism....(or perhaps the yearning is not intense enough you think?) GD:<You are a witness, but because you are in matter, you are forced to turn and spin with it as if you are stuck on a rock flying through space. You hold on, it spins, you spin. It explodes, you're gone. It has life and water, then you do too, if it doesn't, you don't. Not much free will there. But if you have the ability, granted from before, to see all this, and dare to simply flip it off, call it illusion, see it as it is, a hunk of broken dirt floating in some relative space for Divinities own reasons, which we know nothing about unless we accept ancient books- the guy is never around personally- see our predicament?> ME: That is a very intuitive way of explaining. I seem to appreciate the beauty of the explanation-intellectually. But it does not bring forth that intuitive understanding into me. I figure that is the problem. Should one aim for an analytical understanding of the world or an intuitive understanding? I can see that relying on tht intuitive understanding is filled with danger of not being objective. But should you care if you are finding out answers? Your point that, everybody being equal god or human, the difference being in that one knows himself the other doesnt, appeals to me..perhaps that is what the advaitic philosophy is all about. But here again I ask myself why should there be truth in the first place, then illusion and then realisation. As you say "You see, you can only see what you believe, and vice versa. Inference is a type of seeing. We can infer many things from what we see, properly, and generally that's fine, as long as we watch ourselves, keep balance, don't go too far with it". I wonder we all see our own truths, perhaps the real truth is different, or there is no real truth. AM ps: I re read what i ve written, i guess i am either giving an impression of somebody who is refusing to see the point or someone who is a confused beginner. I am definitely not the former. gjlist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote: > > I personally find Jyotish works very well. Totally well. In > fact, I always see it working, I live in a world of it. > There are only planets near you sir, and they have immense > field strength, in fact, they levitate your cells right now, > and do so to the fetus. The ascendent is always where it > should be for me, the same as the events that actually > happen in my life. > > So I see only order, and therefore, consider "chaos" a > non-existent theory, and therefore, I need not even deal > with it. I guarantee you sir with my self and all that is > worth, that Jyotish works. However, we still have to live > our lives, so if you don't get it clearly like I do, it > really doesn't matter, it just means you have some other > purpose. > > No, it isn't chaos, with us searching for order. It's order, > and we're trying to convince ourselves that it's chaotic, > and that we are making a difference, so we're trying to own > our lives and actions, we get attached, then frustrated, > then experience anger, etc. > > So when we realize it's preplanned and basically a "lesson > tour", then we can relax more and watch the ride for the > hidden signs, so we can get the lessons done with kinda, and > maybe move on to a higher ground, or have fun in the time > left over (I'm kidding around here now). > > But for real, there never has been a time when we did not > exist, and there never has been a time when we were not in > some maya, either maha or yoga, material or spiritual, > because for one to show as many, requires maya, or illusion, > of locality, and so on. So these things are there in both > worlds say the literal scriptures like the Bhagavatam. > > So it makes sense. We are travelling in time and space, a > relative temporary arrangement which hovers where, we know > not. And in that we are dying and learning, usually > frustrated all the while. > > So you explain to me why this is here, how it came to be, > for what purpose, etc. if you can. I want to know. > > I can explain all of that to you rather clearly, I feel. > Because there is a lack of answers, we are behooved to > accept the Vedic as best. We can augment that with findings > and go on. It's quite satisfactory. Quite. > > Under this conception, people get everything they need to be > happy, as does the Earth. It's good. The current system > leaves many people in want, so it's not successful. The > leaders should feel pain based on the current mental > condition of this country, at least. So unenlightened and > even unworldly. > > If there was Chaos, your body would not stay together, would > it? There is no such thing as chaos. > > Divinity wants us to learn how to be happy in only > consciousness. This is where all the lessons go. We are > gradually settled into yogi like bodies, old, thin, > wrinkled, and cannot move, just like a yogi meditating. > Ultimately we lie there waiting to die, forced to think, and > be only ourselves inside a dieing body. Which is what we > always are. > > The whole arrangement makes sense- that you are being > cajoled and trained to be a detached worker inside any > material arrangement. The goal is to be equipoised at all > times, in any situation, knowing "situations" to basically > be "maya" or illusion, or if you want to see it brightly, > which is also true, it's a play, or lila. But we usually > reserve that word for the pastimes of the more enlightened. > As the younger souls learn in these more material shorter > lives as we are now, it is about lessons. Right now it's > very accelerated on Earth. The Internet represents that > humanity as a whole has reached a certain point. It creates > more talking. It's 3rd house energy. We're moving along. > > Does this help? > > I can assure you that with my incredible brain, I see > Jyotish working much more than I can talk about. > > I notice that when I break the reality barrier, nobody gets > it, comments, nothing. You see, you can only see what you > believe, and vice versa. Inference is a type of seeing. We > can infer many things from what we see, properly, and > generally that's fine, as long as we watch ourselves, keep > balance, don't go too far with it. > > You are a witness, but because you are in matter, you are > forced to turn and spin with it as if you are stuck on a > rock flying through space. You hold on, it spins, you spin. > It explodes, you're gone. It has life and water, then you do > too, if it doesn't, you don't. Not much free will there. But > if you have the ability, granted from before, to see all > this, and dare to simply flip it off, call it illusion, see > it as it is, a hunk of broken dirt floating in some relative > space for Divinities own reasons, which we know nothing > about unless we accept ancient books- the guy is never > around personally- see our predicament? > > We are challenged to have faith my friend. In other words, > your question is THE question- are you going to believe > there is a reason for life, or are you going to give up and > figure it's just a bunch of chaos and chemicals without any > meaning or reason? > > The person who writes the word "Chaos" is doing it's > opposite, by arranging letters. > > You cannot even express "Chaos". It's virtually impossible > to conceive of it actually, because as soon as you do, you > will notice something about it, which will define it as say, > "a dust storm" or "a bunch of swirling...", you see, there > is no such "thing" unless mind contacts matter, or, witness > contacts the kshetra, the field. In Spiritual "Worlds" there > is also a field, a seer, a witness that is, and the process > of seeing and interacting in that field. That is true here, > and there, and this is like, Sankhya, the process of > understanding logically what is what. > > There can only be order actually, but it is so complex, we > think it is chaotic, which is only to admit we do not see > the patterns. Remember John Nash who broke the code of > numbers? Some minds see patterns better than others. He was > good at it to a disturbing fault. > > > -- > > > Das Goravani , President > > 2852 Willamette St, #353 > Eugene, Oregon, 97405 > USA > > Voice: > > or > > das@g... <das@g...> > > > Home of "Goravani Jyotish" > > Vedic Astrology Software , and more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2002 Report Share Posted August 8, 2002 Should one aim for an analytical understanding of the world or an intuitive understanding? I can see that relying on tht intuitive understanding is filled with danger of not being objective. But should you care if you are finding out answers? Dear AM, I guess the proper way to begin is to first determine which world you are aiming to understand. There is a spiritual world that is the true existence, and there is the material world that is a way-station or distraction or illusory world that appears real. Do you wish to follow the world of earthbound existence or reach beyond it to the world of spiritual existence? Neither one needs be observed objectively nor intuitively, they just present themselves for your personal development as part of a unified whole. You may want to develop intuition? About what would you be intuitive? Your answers will tell you which way you are directing yourself, whether towards spiritual or towards material understanding. You may want to develop objectivity? About what would you develop objectivity? Your answers will tell you which way you are directing yourself... Should you care if you are finding out answers, you ask. I'd suggest that caring is not relevant after your answers have been recalled to yourself, but is essential to bring those answers about. Best wishes to you, AM, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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