Fate vs Free Will

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>I would appreciate your time in explaining further

the difference between fate and free will. And

predestined Karma

 

 

 

Das Goravani writes:

 

 

I have written extensively on this, but it's always

good to update, as I grow.

 

My views are not necessarily backed by classical Hindu

literature. Through experience, I have found that they

are not backed by famous Jyotishis either. Most

standard Hindus and Gurus will teach differently than

myself on this. So be warned. It's your choice. My

opinion comes from my own meditations and

calculations. I have a good brain for seeing patterns

and very long periods of time, like, the whole entire

creation in a flash, and viewing say 100 lifetimes in

a row, not in detail, but thinking about how it is

from what we do know, from what we see everyday.

 

You see, most people go through life in the moment and

in the present. They see what's around them. Some of

us are "crazy" and see other things. Like sometimes I

feel space UNDERNEATH the earth, ie, fourth house,

while say standing in a store talking to somebody. It

seems oh so funny to notice how out of touch with

reality most people are.

 

So I am always looking at life very odd. I can see

clearly for miles too. My eyes seem to work perfectly

on long distance. I know other people don't see what I

see. I ask them. They cannot. It's like I have Eagle

eyes long distance. Weird. Not that that's important,

but all things are intertwined, ie, good eyescan equal

good seeing power otherwise.

 

So.... with all that said and apologized for....

 

 

I believe that there is no such thing as freedom truly

at all. None whatsoever.

 

But that DOESN'T "MATTER"

 

You see "matter", where we are in now, is based on the

ILLUSION of free will.

 

You do have FULL free will. You can WILL whatever you

want, dream, think, etc.

 

You can also get very frustrated and kill yourself or

others out of anger born of those frustrated dreams

and desires.

 

Because, nature, God, reality, do not always conform

to everyones desires.

 

It has it's OWN Plan and flow, and you have to along

with it go.

 

To have no pain, you must detachment gain.

 

So basically, there are two truths simultaneously, one

is absolute, the other relative.

 

In the absolute, we are in one entity, and all linked.

This is Jyotish's turf, what we see in charts.

 

Then, on the relative side, we feel that we are

somewhat independent, we feel we can make choices and

either ruin or improve our lives, with better

thinking, careful study, listening to advices, etc.

 

This is APPARENTLY true and indeed, you are INVOLVED

in these games and plays.

 

But their "MATTER" is of relative value, depending on

who you are in your intellect and heart.

 

Things may not MATTER to a Saint, because his focus is

no longer on his body and this realm in the present.

So his body becomes IMMATERIAL to him, and thus is

acts very differently than an attached persons.

 

This is the result of surrendering the intelligence to

higher knowledge, which is only done when the Lord

allows it through your karma (the Lord means the whole

of God, impersonal, personal, everything)

 

Jyotish is mainly there to show you, that I'm correct

here.

 

If you study and see, you should see, that people are

puppets of the Divine, through the controls of nature.

This is said in the Hindu scriptures, such as Gita.

 

Jesus implied it to, when he said: Who amongst you

can grow your body by though? Who amongst you can

make yourself as beautiful as a flower? Even Solomon

wasn't as pretty as a flower... and so on.

 

He's referring to the fact that the Divine is in

control, not you. So he's saying "SURRENDER" to

God, the Divine.

 

That means, literally, to REALIZE the BOTH. You have

to always know "I AM IN HANDS" This is simply a fact.

 

Then you have to accept: I will ONLY Make the right

choice ALWAYS

 

That's the hard part.

 

Until you do that, you are holding back, some

attachment remains.

 

So in this way, both sides help us learn and grow

spiritually.

 

Take for example you are driving to work, and you die.

You never thought...

 

People, you have NO control, you only THINK you do,

but that is GOOD because that's how you grow and

learn, and that's why the play is here.

 

You cannot get out of it, so you have to go through

it, all of it. So hang on, and learn to play.

 

Call it the Matrix, or whatever, it's an illusion

because it's temporary, but it is real because it is.

We are seeing it, and it's unfolding, but see beyond

and behind it too... look ahead millions of years,

and back too, and see all this is relative, so it

could be in the corner of gods eye in a tear drop for

all we know....

 

Enlightenment is no longer caring what life sends, at

all.

 

Matra sparsas tu kaunteya... just tolerate the crap.

 

Dehino smin yatha dehe... because you're a soul

passing through

 

Sarva dharma .... ultimately, you have to surrender

and do it yourself

 

You cannot expect someone or some religion to do it

for you.

 

 

peace, ask questions if you like,

 

There is SO MUCH one can say on this topic. I am

rather convinced of my positions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please ask questions as you like.

 

I can defuse anything on this, anything. Fire away if

you like. I know I'm write, at least I think I know

I'm write.

 

No ego. Student of truth. Enlighten me more if you can.

 

 

 

 

 

Let's create whirled peas amongst us,

 

 

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Das Goravani , President

 

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Eugene, Oregon, 97405

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