Guest guest Posted July 29, 2002 Report Share Posted July 29, 2002 Dear Cynthia, I didn't know about these events...fascinating! Maybe other members would like to give their opinion on why his chart indicates enlightment (or whatever other term is applicable here) . (maybe the RKA exactly on the South/North axis - allowing for a small difference in TOB - would be a further indication, in addition to the other planetary placements) Regards Maddalena > > Did you know that Padre Pio was seen ministering to soldiers' wounds on the > battle fronts during WWII? > > There is also a documented event where a town was to be bombed. The bombers > saw the face and open arms of the padre in the coulds and dumped their bombs > in the sea. When they returned it was later learned that the town was not > occupied and so a threat as had been believed when the order was issued. > > PP was known to do hand-to-hand combat with beings in the cell of his > monastery. > > I don't know how to assess "high" spirituality or any for that matter simply > from the chart. But I am glad someone is interested in discussing his chart. > > I'm way behind in my Monthly newsletter but will get back with more later > this week if there is still interest. > > c > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2002 Report Share Posted July 29, 2002 Dear Madelena I get a Libran asceendent .I'm not sure why astrodatabank gives GMT when he was born in Italy but regardless it appears to be Libra Lagna . In the chart of a spiritual person the Trines particularly the 5th and 9th should be occupied by the Lords of the quadrants and trines .Padre Pio has a phenomenal Raja Yoga in the 9th containing the Lords of 1 , 4,5 and 10 .This is suggestive of a very religous person .So that religion is not directed at materiality it is helpful if the 8th and 12th Lords ,the Lords of Moksha occupy their own sign or each other .In this case the 12th Lord is in the 8th .His first Lord is in the 9th and the Lagna itself is occupied by the planet of dharma Jupiter .3 planets in the mysterious ,secretive 8th house may be indicative of unusual powers . Unless you are a perfect personality yourself it is difficult to establish exactly how much of the story of Padre Pio is factual and what is mythical ..However we could say from this chart that he does appear to be a spiritual personality with the possibility of mystic powers . Hope this helps Nicholas - "Maddalena Cecchinato" <mcecc88 <gjlist> Monday, July 29, 2002 9:31 PM Re: [GJ] Padre Pio > Dear Cynthia, > > I didn't know about these events...fascinating! > > Maybe other members would like to give their opinion on why his chart > indicates enlightment (or whatever other term is applicable here) . > (maybe the RKA exactly on the South/North axis - allowing for a small > difference > in TOB - would be a further indication, in addition to the other planetary > placements) > > Regards > Maddalena > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2002 Report Share Posted July 29, 2002 Dear Nicholas, thank you for your thoughts here. About the tob, I think astrodatabank simply converted Roman time to GMT. As for what is factual and what is not, I would say the Catholic Church went to great lenghts to make sure about that before canonization :-) regards Maddalena - "Nicholas" <jyotish108 <gjlist> Monday, July 29, 2002 10:43 PM Re: [GJ] Padre Pio > Dear Madelena > I get a Libran asceendent .I'm not sure why astrodatabank gives GMT when he > was born in Italy but regardless it appears to be Libra Lagna . > In the chart of a spiritual person the Trines particularly the 5th and 9th > should be occupied by the Lords of the quadrants and trines .Padre Pio has a > phenomenal Raja Yoga in the 9th containing the Lords of 1 , 4,5 and 10 ..This > is suggestive of a very religous person .So that religion is not directed at > materiality it is helpful if the 8th and 12th Lords ,the Lords of Moksha > occupy their own sign or each other .In this case the 12th Lord is in the > 8th .His first Lord is in the 9th and the Lagna itself is occupied by the > planet of dharma Jupiter .3 planets in the mysterious ,secretive 8th house > may be indicative of unusual powers . > > Unless you are a perfect personality yourself it is difficult to establish > exactly how much of the story of Padre Pio is factual and what is mythical > .However we could say from this chart that he does appear to be a spiritual > personality with the possibility of mystic powers . > > Hope this helps > Nicholas > - > "Maddalena Cecchinato" <mcecc88 > <gjlist> > Monday, July 29, 2002 9:31 PM > Re: [GJ] Padre Pio > > > > Dear Cynthia, > > > > I didn't know about these events...fascinating! > > > > Maybe other members would like to give their opinion on why his chart > > indicates enlightment (or whatever other term is applicable here) . > > (maybe the RKA exactly on the South/North axis - allowing for a small > > difference > > in TOB - would be a further indication, in addition to the other planetary > > placements) > > > > Regards > > Maddalena > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2002 Report Share Posted July 29, 2002 Dear Maddelena Thinking a bit more about it later I realised that because of the strength of his 9th house he would use his mystic powers for the benefit of humanity ..He would allow his acts of charity ,sacrafice,penance and compassion to bear witness to his faith in God and devotion to Jesus Christ .12th Lord in the 8th could also give mysterious "afflictions " to the feet while Mercury in 8th could account for the hands . I was not suggesting that he was a fraud but rather sometimes with famous people legends arise that are loosely connected to fact even to the dismay of the person concerned .Yes the catholic church have their "devil's advocate" who scrutinizes the life of such persons .Another point to note is that his dashas are connected to spirituality . ~ Nicholas - "Maddalena Cecchinato" <mcecc88 <gjlist> Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:39 AM Re: [GJ] Padre Pio > Dear Nicholas, > > thank you for your thoughts here. > About the tob, I think astrodatabank simply converted Roman time to GMT. > As for what is factual and what is not, I would say the Catholic Church went > to great lenghts to make sure about that before canonization :-) > > regards > Maddalena > > - > "Nicholas" <jyotish108 > <gjlist> > Monday, July 29, 2002 10:43 PM > Re: [GJ] Padre Pio > > > > Dear Madelena > > I get a Libran asceendent .I'm not sure why astrodatabank gives GMT when > he > > was born in Italy but regardless it appears to be Libra Lagna . > > In the chart of a spiritual person the Trines particularly the 5th and 9th > > should be occupied by the Lords of the quadrants and trines .Padre Pio has > a > > phenomenal Raja Yoga in the 9th containing the Lords of 1 , 4,5 and 10 > .This > > is suggestive of a very religous person .So that religion is not directed > at > > materiality it is helpful if the 8th and 12th Lords ,the Lords of Moksha > > occupy their own sign or each other .In this case the 12th Lord is in the > > 8th .His first Lord is in the 9th and the Lagna itself is occupied by the > > planet of dharma Jupiter .3 planets in the mysterious ,secretive 8th house > > may be indicative of unusual powers . > > > > Unless you are a perfect personality yourself it is difficult to establish > > exactly how much of the story of Padre Pio is factual and what is mythical > > .However we could say from this chart that he does appear to be a > spiritual > > personality with the possibility of mystic powers . > > > > Hope this helps > > Nicholas > > - > > "Maddalena Cecchinato" <mcecc88 > > <gjlist> > > Monday, July 29, 2002 9:31 PM > > Re: [GJ] Padre Pio > > > > > > > Dear Cynthia, > > > > > > I didn't know about these events...fascinating! > > > > > > Maybe other members would like to give their opinion on why his chart > > > indicates enlightment (or whatever other term is applicable here) . > > > (maybe the RKA exactly on the South/North axis - allowing for a small > > > difference > > > in TOB - would be a further indication, in addition to the other > planetary > > > placements) > > > > > > Regards > > > Maddalena > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2002 Report Share Posted July 30, 2002 Dear Nicholas, thank you for your further analysis, it's interesting and logical. Pity not to really know the rising degree for sure (for divisional analysis, etc.). Astrodatabank rates the dob as AA, but it seems that Padre Pio's mother delivered him when she was completely alone in the house that afternoon, and I bet she had more important things on her mind than to make sure of the exact time . So while a Libra rising is probably correct, I'd think the degree would be uncertain. Pity not to know for sure. I agree with your opinion on how legends can become quite exaggerated. I think that's one of the reasons why the church took so long to aknowledge first his stigmata and then his miracles as authentic. Of course you're right and there may be quite a few people who think they've had a 'visit' from Padre Pio and think they may have been helped in some way, and they're just deluding themselves. We can only go by investigated facts, where miraculous and utterly unexplainable events took place. Regards Maddalena - "Nicholas" <jyotish108 <gjlist> Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:53 AM Re: [GJ] Padre Pio > Dear Maddelena > Thinking a bit more about it later I realised that because of the strength > of his 9th house he would use his mystic powers for the benefit of humanity > .He would allow his acts of charity ,sacrafice,penance and compassion to > bear witness to his faith in God and devotion to Jesus Christ .12th Lord in > the 8th could also give mysterious "afflictions " to the feet while Mercury > in 8th could account for the hands . > > I was not suggesting that he was a fraud but rather sometimes with famous > people legends arise that are loosely connected to fact even to the dismay > of the person concerned .Yes the catholic church have their "devil's > advocate" who scrutinizes the life of such persons .Another point to note is > that his dashas are connected to spirituality . > ~ Nicholas > - > "Maddalena Cecchinato" <mcecc88 > <gjlist> > Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:39 AM > Re: [GJ] Padre Pio > > > > Dear Nicholas, > > > > thank you for your thoughts here. > > About the tob, I think astrodatabank simply converted Roman time to GMT. > > As for what is factual and what is not, I would say the Catholic Church > went > > to great lenghts to make sure about that before canonization :-) > > > > regards > > Maddalena > > > > - > > "Nicholas" <jyotish108 > > <gjlist> > > Monday, July 29, 2002 10:43 PM > > Re: [GJ] Padre Pio > > > > > > > Dear Madelena > > > I get a Libran asceendent .I'm not sure why astrodatabank gives GMT when > > he > > > was born in Italy but regardless it appears to be Libra Lagna . > > > In the chart of a spiritual person the Trines particularly the 5th and > 9th > > > should be occupied by the Lords of the quadrants and trines .Padre Pio > has > > a > > > phenomenal Raja Yoga in the 9th containing the Lords of 1 , 4,5 and 10 > > .This > > > is suggestive of a very religous person .So that religion is not > directed > > at > > > materiality it is helpful if the 8th and 12th Lords ,the Lords of Moksha > > > occupy their own sign or each other .In this case the 12th Lord is in > the > > > 8th .His first Lord is in the 9th and the Lagna itself is occupied by > the > > > planet of dharma Jupiter .3 planets in the mysterious ,secretive 8th > house > > > may be indicative of unusual powers . > > > > > > Unless you are a perfect personality yourself it is difficult to > establish > > > exactly how much of the story of Padre Pio is factual and what is > mythical > > > .However we could say from this chart that he does appear to be a > > spiritual > > > personality with the possibility of mystic powers . > > > > > > Hope this helps > > > Nicholas > > > - > > > "Maddalena Cecchinato" <mcecc88 > > > <gjlist> > > > Monday, July 29, 2002 9:31 PM > > > Re: [GJ] Padre Pio > > > > > > > > > > Dear Cynthia, > > > > > > > > I didn't know about these events...fascinating! > > > > > > > > Maybe other members would like to give their opinion on why his chart > > > > indicates enlightment (or whatever other term is applicable here) . > > > > (maybe the RKA exactly on the South/North axis - allowing for a small > > > > difference > > > > in TOB - would be a further indication, in addition to the other > > planetary > > > > placements) > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Maddalena > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Dear Rui, There are several (very) interesting features in this chart. First: Padre Pio's devotion to the Blessed Mother... Note lagnesh Venus, in 9th house of religion, hemmed-in by 4th lord Saturn and Moon. Saturn, significator for penance, is dispositor of MokshaKaraka Ketu. Second: Lagnesh Venus disposits 3rd lord Jupiter (hands) and 12th lord Mercury (feet). Mars, a significator for wounds/bleeding, conjuncts 12th lord and aspects 3rd house. Note; Mars involvement in parivartana yoga - exchange between 9th religion (penance) and 8th moksha (mystic/occult experience). Can we see here the wounds of stigmata in hands and feet? Whilst looking at this chart the thought struck me that; Yes, indeed this was Padre Pio's experience, but can others replicate this same experience (devotion) by following his example? Or is it, as the wise tell us, that there are as many paths as there are devotees. I find (personally), at this stage in my life, that I've never been in a greater spiritual wilderness... Hope to look more at this chart as time permits. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "RPM" <rupamede > <jyotish-vidya> Friday, June 02, 2006 6:16 PM Re: Re: Padre Pio Dear Wendy and Uttara, I have cast Padre Pio's chart using the info supplied by Uttara. I also get Libra ascendant with Jupiter on it. Libra (Harmony, Peace, Universal Love) seems to be the correct ascendant. I think Jupiter in 1st would make his personality akin to religious things since Jupiter signifies religion. Then looking at 9th house for Libra, one can see benefics Moon and Venus plus yogakaraka Saturn - all aspecting 3rd house of intentions - this seems to me to indicate a holy religious person, whereas for a Virgo ascendant, the presence of two malefics Sun (also a functional malefic) in 9th and aspecting 2nd of speech, and especially Mars (3rd and 8th ruler) in 9th aspecting 2nd of speech and 3rd house of intentions would, I think, inhibit such holy religious disposition... This is just my opinion for what's worth. Best wishes, Rui. Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: Dear Uttara, //ASC: 23 Vi 38'49.57"" Chitra/Mars// Are you sure this is correct? PL gives me Libra rising 07°19'19". Time zone given for that date/location is -00:50:24...remembering that S. T. Meridian 15E00 was not adopted until 1893. Until then local mean time varied depending on the area of Italy i.e., Italian Peninsula (local meant time of Rome12E29), Sardinia (local mean time of Cagiliari 9E06), Sicily (local mean time of Palermo13E22). Padre Pio had the five wounds of Jesus (stigmata) for fifty years - first appearing (if I'm not mistaken) on Sep 20 1918. Using the chart I have on hand (Libra rising) he was then running dasa of SA-VE-VE. Padre Pio also spoke with his Guardian Angel and bilocated to different areas of the world (bilocation is the ability to be at two places at the same time). He also had the gift of prophecy, the gift of speaking other languages, healing the sick and the ability to see into the souls of all the individuals that came into the confessional. Padre Pio's love for and devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary is legendary. He spent much of his ministry extolling Her virtues and urging all Catholics to confidently appeal to Her merciful intercession. One well-known writer has suggested that "behind all the marvelous gifts of Padre Pio, his extraordinary guidance of souls, his gift of bilocation and his camaraderie with the angels, was Our Lady, who cherished him as a mother would a child, even to the point that, after he had been beaten by the devils one night in his room, She came and put a cushion under his head, in order to relieve his suffering." As a true son of Our Lady, Padre Pio loved the Rosary and is reputed to have said a 15-decade Rosary as many as 35 times per day. In many photographs, he is shown with his right hand hidden within the pocket where he always kept his Rosary beads. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Krishna and All, To keep things simple I've made the necessary change to birth time using 17:00 (local mean time). Hopefully (apparently) Pietrelcina was on Rome time then (see previous post below)... //Italian Peninsula (local mean time of Rome12E29), Sardinia (local mean time of Cagiliari 9E06), Sicily (local mean time of Palermo13E22).// Using 17:00, lagna remains Libra (17°05'19"). However the dasa for Sep 20 1918 is now SA-VE-MO - all conjunct in 9th and aspecting 3rd house (governing hands) where stigmata first appeared. I have a DVD of Padre Pio (actually 3 DVDs in one)... 1) Pray, Hope and Don't Worry. 2) Padre Pio's Way of the Cross. 3) The Canonisation of Padre Pio. It's one of my favourites which I watch often. There's a story on one about a man in England who (in a dream) met Padre Pio on a road and asked him to save his father who was seriously ill. Later the man went to San Giovanni Rotonda and, during confession, Padre Pio said to him; "well, your father's alright then". The man said that (in his mind) he was posing the question, was it you father, was it you? Padre Pio said; "Yes, in the dream, in the dream". There are numerous stories about the miracles attributed to Padre Pio. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, June 03, 2006 2:58 PM Re: Re: Padre Pio Dear Wendy, Uttara, Rui, Balaji and others, Please look at the following message for Padre Pio's birth time on "Astrodatabak" page: 'Apologies!! Padre Pio's birth time was erroneously given as 4:10 pm LMT. This should have been 4:10 pm GMT. Ourselves generated the chart with 4:10 pm LMT giving rise to an ASC 29 Lib 41 instead of an ASC 9 Scorpio 27. We have corrected the birth time as well as the chart. Our sincere thanks to Southern Cross for bringing this to our notice. Web Admin 7/17/02' Asc. 9* Scorpio would be approx. 18* Li for Vedic astrology. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Wendy, //To keep things simple I've made the necessary change to birth time using 17:00 (local mean time). Hopefully (apparently) Pietrelcina was on Rome time then (see previous post below)...// I am getting 17:09 as LMT. But I am also getting the Lagna position as Libra (17°05'19"). How is this possible? Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Dear Krishna and All, > > To keep things simple I've made the necessary change > to birth time > using 17:00 (local mean time). Hopefully > (apparently) Pietrelcina was > on Rome time then (see previous post below)... > > //Italian Peninsula (local mean time of Rome12E29), > Sardinia (local > mean time > of Cagiliari 9E06), Sicily (local mean time of > Palermo13E22).// > > Using 17:00, lagna remains Libra (17°05'19"). > However the dasa for > Sep 20 1918 is now SA-VE-MO - all conjunct in 9th > and aspecting 3rd > house (governing hands) where stigmata first > appeared. > > I have a DVD of Padre Pio (actually 3 DVDs in > one)... 1) Pray, Hope > and Don't Worry. 2) Padre Pio's Way of the Cross. 3) > The Canonisation > of Padre Pio. It's one of my favourites which I > watch often. > > There's a story on one about a man in England who > (in a dream) met > Padre Pio on a road and asked him to save his father > who was > seriously ill. Later the man went to San Giovanni > Rotonda and, during > confession, Padre Pio said to him; "well, your > father's alright > then". The man said that (in his mind) he was posing > the question, > was it you father, was it you? Padre Pio said; "Yes, > in the dream, in > the dream". > > There are numerous stories about the miracles > attributed to Padre > Pio. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" > <krishna_1998 > > <jyotish-vidya> > Saturday, June 03, 2006 2:58 PM > Re: Re: Padre Pio > > > Dear Wendy, Uttara, Rui, Balaji and others, > > Please look at the following message for Padre Pio's > birth time on "Astrodatabak" page: > > 'Apologies!! Padre Pio's birth time was erroneously > given as 4:10 pm LMT. This should have been 4:10 pm > GMT. Ourselves generated the chart with 4:10 pm LMT > giving rise to an ASC 29 Lib 41 instead of an ASC 9 > Scorpio 27. We have corrected the birth time as well > as the chart. Our sincere thanks to Southern Cross > for > bringing this to our notice. > > Web Admin > 7/17/02' > > Asc. 9* Scorpio would be approx. 18* Li for Vedic > astrology. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Krishna, It seems you've converted GMT 16:10 to Local Time of 15E00 (instead of 12E29 which it was up until 1893). Giving you a local time of 17:09. Then, if you also used the T.Z. applicable for 15E00, it's logical you would come up with the same lagna degree as I did using 17:00 and T.Z. correction for 12E29...is this not so?? Previous Post: //S. T. Meridian 15E00 was not adopted until 1893. Until then local mean time varied depending on the area of Italy i.e., Italian Peninsula (local mean time of Rome12E29), Sardinia (local mean time of Cagiliari 9E06), Sicily (local mean time of Palermo13E22).// Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:11 PM Re: Re: Padre Pio Dear Wendy, //To keep things simple I've made the necessary change to birth time using 17:00 (local mean time). Hopefully (apparently) Pietrelcina was on Rome time then (see previous post below)...// I am getting 17:09 as LMT. But I am also getting the Lagna position as Libra (17°05'19"). How is this possible? Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 OK, I get it. Thanks Wendy. Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Dear Krishna, > > It seems you've converted GMT 16:10 to Local Time > of 15E00 (instead > of 12E29 which it was up until 1893). Giving you a > local time of > 17:09. Then, if you also used the T.Z. applicable > for 15E00, it's > logical you would come up with the same lagna degree > as I did using > 17:00 and T.Z. correction for 12E29...is this not > so?? > > Previous Post: > //S. T. Meridian 15E00 was not adopted until 1893. > Until then > local mean time varied depending on the area of > Italy i.e., Italian > Peninsula (local mean time of Rome12E29), Sardinia > (local mean time > of Cagiliari 9E06), Sicily (local mean time of > Palermo13E22).// > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" > <krishna_1998 > > <jyotish-vidya> > Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:11 PM > Re: Re: Padre Pio > > > Dear Wendy, > > //To keep things simple I've made the necessary > change > to birth time using 17:00 (local mean time). > Hopefully > (apparently) Pietrelcina was on Rome time then (see > previous post below)...// > > I am getting 17:09 as LMT. But I am also getting the > Lagna position as Libra (17°05'19"). How is this > possible? > > Regards, > Krishna > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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