Scholarships, Catholics, Krishnas

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Hi Denise and all,

 

Interestingly, the scholarship came during Jupiter Maha Dasha, and

because I have that planet in 9th/Sag., it indicates higher education.

In fact, the best.

 

I went to college as a music major. I did two years. I learned all I

needed to learn really. I got bored. I'm a priest at heart. I had alot

of sex and drugs, and played music. This is not a very good use of me,

but it's what I did from 17 to 19. I was actually however hoping to

become a famous rock star and preach love of god.

 

Then at 19 I met Hansadutta and his men, one rather intense division of

the HK movement. I felt my brotherhood there. I realize now what I felt

was Mars mixed with Religion, whcih I have in my chart tremendously.

 

The intensity, I liked it. I liked being a monk on a mission with

others. It was what I wanted. They liked me and promoted me. What I

learned travelling with the Guru cannot be bought anywhere, for any

price. So the trade off was well worth it. Very much so.

 

So I have no regrets in my case.

 

But my point was, the movement as a whole needs to, and is, looking at

these things. The movement today is different than when I joined.

 

My words were harsh, there were based on old truths. But it's good to be

vigilant because abuse of religious authority is SO bad and one of the

most awful things amongst us. We really don't need to feel bad about

airing such things, because, that serves to remind. History at least can

help us understand what not to do.

 

So I have no regrets about my honesty.

 

I realize these days, things are rather better, however, I am still

hearing about Guru's and sexual abuse. I mean currently, I mean active

today, and not in the HK movement; I'm hearing of other Indian's outside

of that movement. The tie between religion and denial is strong. Look

and see if a person has had their share of sense gratification. If not,

such as lifelong celibate, is it real, or is it due to depravity of some

sort, in which case, when they hit the states, the opportunity may very

well arise with Western Woman, and then, bad things happen.

 

It is not normal for Indian Sadhus to be physical. I am hearing about

Guru's that must kiss you before instructing. This is not good. The Guru

should have no physical connections with disciples unless the subject

matter happens to be sexual tantra or some such physical thing in

itself. As for Brahma Vidya, that means Spiritual Instruction, there

need not be any touching or overly talking to woman about their bodies

or beauty, and because there is much homosexuality in India, it is not

at all impossible for there to be a homosexual Guru who is of course

easily renounced from woman, but then later, makes trouble with younger men.

 

I would never trade my days in HK for anything. It's impossible to have

that kind of experience anymore and usually never in the West. What I

and others had there, in the mid seventies to the early 80's, the

largest times, it was amazing. It was awesome. I loved it in many ways,

dancing before deities at 4 AM with other monks, lots of us, lots of us.

It was wonderful. Then the troubles started. But all things must pass.

It had it's purpose. We'll see what's next for that movement, and all of

us. May we all be in Divine guidance now and always, and less of

resistance to it.

 

om om om

 

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[Guest guest]

Hey Das,

it was great to hear you say that, no one knows what it was like

to feel the unparralled glory of being an HK, even if it only lasted

a few years, when the average man is thinking we're all freaks, what

little do they know of the priveledge of being a monk for Krishna,

like it was like the only real time in our life, and to get that all

back, well.... the memory lives on...

 

jay kristo

 

you said-

I would never trade my days in HK for anything. It's impossible to

have

that kind of experience anymore and usually never in the West. What I

and others had there, in the mid seventies to the early 80's, the

largest times, it was amazing. It was awesome. I loved it in many

ways,

dancing before deities at 4 AM with other monks, lots of us, lots of

us.

It was wonderful. Then the troubles started. But all things must

pass.

It had it's purpose. We'll see what's next for that movement, and all

of

us. May we all be in Divine guidance now and always, and less of

resistance to it.

 

om om om