Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 Dear Dhira Krishna Sorry for the delays but changing computers have caused delays. You quoted me “By the way i have heard that the Radhadesh temple is beautiful but i had not yet the opportunity to visit, perhaps later i will.” you <<Please let me know if you would visit, then we can make an appointment to meet.>> Thanks, and I will be very happy to meet you, I will let you know but it is going to take some time before I am ready to travel in long journeys. you quoted “Sadaputa Prabhu is another great writer. It is new to me that the chakras deal with the Jup-Sat conjunctions. Could you please elaborate a bit more on this.” you <<Jup-Sat will be conjunct every 20 years, actually I calculated it and it is exactly 20 years of 360 days when they will be conjunct, so 3 of those conjunctions will form an aroha-cycle, another 3 will form an avaroha (descending) cycle, so we have the total of a chakra of 60 +60 = 120 years. However, these 120 years should be calculated as years of 360 days, so that's maybe where our calculations about chakras and the start of Kali Yuga goes wrong.>> me Very interesting. Once I sort all my files I will post you the dates of those conjunctions of some 2,000 years in the past. I do not have the facilities to calculate the number of days between them. I think that I have them somewhere. you << Yet, the Hindu cycle of 60 years is calculated as solar years of 365 1/4 days, but then we see that there are 2 Subha-krit years in each cycle. Why? According to Jup-Sat. conjunctions a cycle would be about 59 years instead of 60.>> me Perhaps the Hindu cycle of 60 years was adjusted recently to 365.25 days to the new earth rotation. Because as before it seems that it was 360 days. Anyway, long ago I found that the 60 year cycle as found among the Hindus and Chinese, relates to the 52 year cycle of the Aztecs. I will try to find more info about this in my files later on. You quoted “In the Srimad Bhagavatam we read that due to the elasticity of time, one yuga overlapped the previous yuga, and therefore one yuga appeared first rather than later.” You <<Srila Prabhupada describes that in this cycle of Yugas, dvapara yuga (2nd) came after the Treta Yuga (3rd) because of Krsna's appearance on the junction of ages. Can you give the exact quote of the elasticity of time which you found in SB? >> Regarding the elasticity of time, it is not clearly defined in the SB, it is the way that I understand. It makes sense to me to relate the example of an elastic band to understand how time dilates. We see an example of dilatation in the “breathing” of the cosmos. Although the SB gives an static figure of the size of the universe in yojanas, I get the feeling that it is a way to say that the universe expands and contracts in time as modern astronomy explains. However, it is my opinion that the description given by modern astronomers about the structure of the universe it is not accurate and it needs a further study. You <<I actually have never understood this.>> me Neither i. I was told that Srila Prabhupada sent some of his disciples to find a person capable of giving an accurate description of the universe on the lines of the SB. Few persons were found but SP was not satisfied. Also, I was told in the early 70’s that SP was not very happy with the description of the universe as described by the artists in Los Angeles Cal., they were trying to understand the SB but could not grasp properly the right meaning. you << We can also ask ourselves the question: when Lord Chaitanya, who is Krsna Himself, appeared some 500 years ago, what happened to time at that time? He was said to inaugurate the 10,000 years of Golden Age within this Kali Yuga, however when we look around us, we don't see so many symptoms of a Golden Age yet, with all the killing, criminality, abortion etc around us?>> Me In my humble opinion, Lord Chaitanya appeared in 1486 to inaugurate the beginning of the 10,000 years of the mini-gold age within this Kali Yuga. However, we do not yet have the eyes to see that the golden age is among us. It is just like when the Spring season starts “officially” around the 21 March every year, many times it is difficult to see when the Spring really starts. And in any way, I have seen some yogis doing amazing rituals to minimize bad results, and we can understand that level as mystical stuff. We have to adjust our understanding to it. Those that do not want to adjust their brain to those subtle sciences will misunderstood the whole thing and will debate forever. As an example we can see the debate issued around 1990 when the Radhadesh temple was “exorcised.” Do you remember? From that time 3 groups were born. One group Claimed that such rituals were “redundant, inefficient, bogus, black magic, etc. Another group said that it was a good thing. And a third group was indifferent to the issue. >From the SB we read that many yogis and rishis gathered at a forest in India at the beginning of Kali Yuga, their aim was to organize a yagya, or fire sacrifice to minimize the bad influence of Kali Yuga. The ceremony lasted for 1,000 years and I can only imagine its magnitude and its effects. Thanks to that ceremony the bad effects minimized and therefore we have a relatively better Kali yuga that previous ones. I was told that in previous Yugas, at this time of Kali Yuga, men were already travelling to other planets, while at present men have not yet invented the suitable machinery to reach other planets. We may hear some cheating versions to try to convince or to impress on us but the reality is that they are more limited than in previous Kali Yugas and therefore they have not been to other planets. Perhaps they have been to Rahu, but not further than that. For example, there is a belt of radiation at 500 miles from Earth and to cross it with the present “astronauts suits” will be suicidal. you <<In New Age circles there is a lot of talk going on about shifting of dimensions around this time we are in now, as well as speeding up of time (which honestly I do believe as I'm getting less and less time these days) and it would finally come to a shift in dimension around 2012. Any thoughts on this from the Jyotish perspective?>> me A good question about this, I just have read something about how the Mayas came to this cycle, I am tired and I need to search for that file, I will elaborate later on about it. You “What we should do in cases like that? In my opinion, we should follow the guidelines from liberated souls.” you <<I agree. It's a pity they can be found only very rarely these days.>> me Yes, but according to our good karma we come across them. And even if there are not liberated souls around, as long as a guru follows sincerely the instructions of a liberated soul, that is enough to get empowerment. Even if that power is only 1% in a guru, that is enough to give us the idea, shelter and success in our spiritual path. you “Srila Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada knew more about jyotish than some of his disciples want to think he did not know.” <<Indeed, besides that, he belongs to the category of liberated souls whom we have to follow.>> I would say as my guru told us, that SP is a saktyavesa avatar, a powered liberated soul, or a soul 100% empowered, and therefore difficult to understand his mind and ways. I wonder how sometimes some people give their childish opinion about SP. That he was like this or he was like that and really they are only giving their speculative opinion disguised as the opinion of “advanced devotees”. From our low level of understanding we have to be told by high level devotees, otherwise we miss the point. And this goes for the trying to read the horoscope of an exalted personality. There are no astrological rules to “discover” an exalted personality, because their life is empowered by God, and therefore beyond material labels. Unfortunately, we will always have people “presuming” to know, when in reality they do not know anything. We have to learn to detect the real Macoys. Best wishes Natabara das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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