Death-- the experience

[Guest guest]

Hi Vivek,

About what one experiences at the moment of death, one can only surmise

from reading the words of others. I've read that persons undergoing

operations during which the heart stopped for several minutes, reportedly

found themselves "floating" above the body on the operating table, looking

from the vantage point of the ceiling down to see the body being attended to

by doctors and nurses. The experience of being there is of course, without

bodily pain at all. When the soul returns to the body, pain resumes.

I have read that each person has an idea of what his/her heaven is

like....whether it be a garden setting or otherwise...and that for many, this

will be a recognizable setting that the soul reaches at death, so that it may

be comforted by the experience of being unattached from the body.

There are many reports of souls seeing a pinpoint light in the distance,

and the soul willing itself towards that light and finding itself traveling

towards it as if traveling through a dark tunnel to the opening beyond.

I have read of the passage of the soul upwards through various stages of

gloominess populated with discarnate entities, that gradually fall back as

the soul travels upwards towards the light, where the gloom fades away and

clearer colors can be seen.

At the moment of death for a pet cat I once had, which I held in my arms

as she gasped for breath, I "heard" an eerie howling in my mind....it was the

call of wild cats, howling and screeching all together, calling my little

"Pumpkin cat" to them....it was the most amazing thing to hear these calls

that were on an unhearable level except in my own mind's ear. I'd never

thought before that cats existed on other planes, or that they would call

Pumpkin to them....but she lay lifeless in my lap a few moments afterwards,

and I was calmed by having shared with her what I believe she also heard;

she'd been called to her own, by her own, and it was her time.

I had a nurse or nanny when I grew up, a spinster lady from Austria. We

called her Miss Tunner all her life. Back in 1980 she came to see me and I

snapped a photo of her holding my baby boy in the same pose as I have a

picture of her holding me as a baby. In 1982, Miss Tunner wrote me a letter

saying she was going back to Austria "for good". She had a tumor in her head

and was going to go back to live with her sister and nephew until the end

came; she wouldn't be returning to America any more. I wrote her back and

expressed my gratitude and love for her having been in my life, and asked her

a special favor. If it is true that the soul survives after death, could she

do me a favor and somehow communicate to me when she passed on, that she was

all right? She wrote back to me that she would do that. Typically, she

enclosed a feather of her nephew's parakeet, deep aqua blue. She always used

to put stickers of realistic birds and flowers on her letters, or send a tiny

seashell, 4-leaf clover, or other memento of nature's beauty.

Her sister Poldi wrote me a black-edged note not long afterwards,

saying that Elizabeth Tunner had succumbed on Good Friday, and had always

been fond of my family. I wrote Poldi my condolences and love of her sister

and then waited. A month passed, and then one afternoon my 5-year old son

demanded to have all of his $50.00 birthday money that relatives had sent to

him in cards. I gave it to him telling him that he needed to save it. But

he had different ideas. Getting on his bicycle, he declared he was going to

go to the pet shop a block from our house and he was going to buy a snake! I

had a sleeping baby at home and could not dissuade him from leaving. "It's my

money and I can do what I want! I want a snake and I'm going to get one!" he

told me and rode off.

I was upset at myself for having given him his birthday money. We

certainly did not need a snake in or near our house! What was I going to do,

how to resolve this when he returned with a snake!

My son returned after awhile, with a box on the back of his bike, and a

cage in his hand. I didn't know what to expect. "This is for you, Mommy,"

he said. I looked at the cage--it was a bird cage, not a reptile aquarium.

Okay so far.... Then I asked him what was in the box. "It's for you, I

bought it all myself!" I peeked in the box--it was a parakeet! I brought

the bird and cage into the house and put the bird in it. My son had gotten

seed and gravel and everything for this little bird. Then I looked closely

at the parakeet and saw something that amazed me. Its color was deep aqua

blue, the same rare color that Miss Tunner's feather was. I became aware

she'd somehow turned my son's mind from getting a snake for himself...I was

incredulous and yet thankful at the same time...."Thank you, Miss Tunner! I

know you are all right now!" I went back to the pet shop that afternoon and

looked in the cage of parakeets they had...all different colors....none like

the one we now had. I went back home and asked my son, "What made you buy a

bird for me instead of a snake for you?I just wanted to, Mommy.Well,

you wanted to get a snake and I was pretty sure you were going to do that!

When did you change your mind?" "Well I got in the door and started to walk

towards the snakes, but I saw the birds and I just thought I wanted to get

one of them." "But you didn't get it for yourself!" "I just thought I

wanted to get it for you, Mommy." "How did you decide which one to pick

out?" "I picked out the prettiest one, that's all."

I have no doubt that my usually stubborn son's change of heart was

caused by Miss Tunner somehow, and that she is doing fine in heaven!

Love to all,

Carol

[Guest guest]

Vivek,

 

Based on my understanding of samadhi and the rishis

who were able to leave the body at will, I believe the

experience of death is simply: not breathing.

 

In my opinion, the ancient rishis were able to

circumvent the automatic mechanism in the body which

prevents an individual from not breathing. I believe

they were able to do this through the mantras they

use. Patanjali's Yoga Sutras describe the technology

for developing various siddhis, including the feat of

intentionally leaving the body.

 

Regards,

 

John R.

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- vivek <keviv90 wrote:

> hi everyone,a lot has been said about karma,past

> life,future life,etc.what about death itself?I am

> referring to the experience of dying.what does the

> soul experience during the process of leaving the

> body? Even in our present life,we experience

> different states--- awakenness,deep sleep,dreaming

> etc.between awakenness and sleep,there is an exact

> point of time,a fraction of a second,when you shift

> from one state to another. similarly,whatever the

> manner of death,with suffering or not,there must be

> an exact point of time when you shift to a different

> state of existence.what do you experience after

> that?------- I am not referring to

> reincarnation,liberation,etc but to the process of

> leaving the body.what exactly does one feel? What

> do the vedic scriptures have to say? can someone

> throw light on the subject? Regards,vivek.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

 

Thank you for the nice story. I have a similar one. Once, shortly after my

wife's grandmother had died, a small puppy appeared at the door of her

mother's appartment, and wanted desperately get inside. The puppy was

accepted in the household and everybody called her 'grandmother' after

this. Who knows, maybe it was the same soul?

 

Yours sincerely,

Dhira Krsna dasa

[Guest guest]

Hi Dhira Krsna dasa,

 

Thank you for sharing your puppy story, too!

I was taught that people remain in human soul from one life to the next,

but of course, I don't know for certain if it's true or isn't true....a puppy

named 'grandmother' must have brought many blessings to your family.

 

Very nice to hear this, Dhira, thanks!

 

Love,

Carol

[Guest guest]

Dear Carol

I had a cat tell me that he decided to come in as a cat because he wanted a

body but did not want to deal with human emotions. He is a very special

cat, I only wish he lived with me.

 

I also had a client tell me that I should never say that because I would be

punished by being incarnated as an animal and animals can never incarnate as

humans.

 

call me irreverent but it's a lot like the old philosophers argument about

how man angels can dance on the head of a pin.

 

c

 

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<Carolhook

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Friday, July 26, 2002 6:43 PM

Re: [GJ] Death-- the experience

 

 

> Hi Dhira Krsna dasa,

>

> Thank you for sharing your puppy story, too!

> I was taught that people remain in human soul from one life to the

next,

> but of course, I don't know for certain if it's true or isn't true....a

puppy

> named 'grandmother' must have brought many blessings to your family.

>

> Very nice to hear this, Dhira, thanks!

>

> Love,

> Carol

>

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>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

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>

> Your use of is subject to

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[Guest guest]

Danion Brinkely looked me in the eye and told me that upon death I will get

to experience how it felts to each person who was helped by my healing work.

 

c

[Guest guest]

Dear Cynthia,

 

> Danion Brinkely looked me in the eye and told me that upon death I will

get

> to experience how it felts to each person who was helped by my healing

work.

 

Is this the same Dannion Brinkley who nearly died from lightning

electrocution? If so, do you have his birth data?

 

thanks and regards

Maddalena

[Guest guest]

Yes, that is he.

 

No I did not ask for his birth data, but you might find it through

www.astrodatabank.com

 

c

 

 

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"Maddalena Cecchinato" <mcecc88

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Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:26 PM

Re: [GJ] Death-- the experience

 

 

> Dear Cynthia,

>

> > Danion Brinkely looked me in the eye and told me that upon death I will

> get

> > to experience how it felts to each person who was helped by my healing

> work.

>

> Is this the same Dannion Brinkley who nearly died from lightning

> electrocution? If so, do you have his birth data?

>

> thanks and regards

> Maddalena

>

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Cynthia

 

 

 

you

 

<<I had a cat tell me that he decided to come in as a cat because he wanted

a

body but did not want to deal with human emotions. He is a very special

cat, I only wish he lived with me.>>

 

 

 

me

 

It is possible, I know many people with the power to talk to animals. And

regarding the avoidance of human emotions, I do not blame him.

 

 

 

you

<<I also had a client tell me that I should never say that because I would

be

punished by being incarnated as an animal and animals can never incarnate as

humans.>>

 

 

 

me

 

Karma does not work like that. It sounds to me like the fundamentalist

Christian saying "you will go to hell for an eternity". We Vaisnavas do not

believe that God being full of love will say such things.

 

 

 

Also, according to the Vedas, the soul transmigrates across 8,400,000

species of life, and animals can incarnate as humans. Although the human

form of life has more chances to reach the ultimate goal, in certain cases

but few, animals have been known to have been liberated too.

 

 

 

I would like to know from which philosophy your client bases his conclusion,

which are nor really Vedic based.

 

 

 

Best wishes

 

Natabara das

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Natabara

 

Thank you kindly for taking the time to respond to those old posts. It is

always a joy to see your name appear on the screen.

 

The client was a Buddhist and her gurus was i Tibet, I believe. Perhaps she

was (is? I haven't seen her in years) a rigid thinker.

BTW, I don't think that I have the ability to talk to animals as well as

they who have the ability to get through to me <great grins>

 

I have been known to call a friend and ask him to feed these ducks that I

have fed for years in the rain. I could literally feel them hungry on that

particularly day.

 

I now live 30 miles away. I still drive out of my way to feed them at least

twice each week. Sure, I should trust others to feed them. But I enjoy it

greatly. I also feed birds and squirrels and neighbor's dogs. And they

world feeds me with its multi-textured joys.

 

c

 

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"Natabara Das" <natabara

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Monday, August 12, 2002 10:31 AM

Re: [GJ] Death-- the experience

 

 

> Dear Cynthia

>

>

>

> you

>

> <<I had a cat tell me that he decided to come in as a cat because he

wanted

> a

> body but did not want to deal with human emotions. He is a very special

> cat, I only wish he lived with me.>>

>

>

>

> me

>

> It is possible, I know many people with the power to talk to animals. And

> regarding the avoidance of human emotions, I do not blame him.

>

>

>

> you

> <<I also had a client tell me that I should never say that because I would

> be

> punished by being incarnated as an animal and animals can never incarnate

as

> humans.>>

>

>

>

> me

>

> Karma does not work like that. It sounds to me like the fundamentalist

> Christian saying "you will go to hell for an eternity". We Vaisnavas do

not

> believe that God being full of love will say such things.

>

>

>

> Also, according to the Vedas, the soul transmigrates across 8,400,000

> species of life, and animals can incarnate as humans. Although the human

> form of life has more chances to reach the ultimate goal, in certain cases

> but few, animals have been known to have been liberated too.

>

>

>

> I would like to know from which philosophy your client bases his

conclusion,

> which are nor really Vedic based.

>

>

>

> Best wishes

>

> Natabara das

>

> **

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

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> Your use of is subject to

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