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Dear Visti,

 

Jaya Jagannath!

 

>Krishna was born in dwapara Chakra and died in Kali chakra, after

>which the Kali Yuga started.. so maybe Buddha was born before the Yuga he

>was to influence.

 

Was there any gap between Krishna's leaving the planet and the start of

this Kali Yuga? In Srimad-Bhagavatam it is mentioned that technically the

Kali Yuga were to start 50 years before the great Battle of Kuruksetra,

yet due to the presence of Krishna on Earth, it started only after His

disappearance, which is 86 years later. This 86 years we nicely see

reflected in the ayanamsa, which would change about 1°11'40" in that time.

Hence the Lahiri had about 23°51'55" at the time of the Jup-Sat

conjunction last 28 May 2000. 22°40' + 1°11'40". Another point that gave

me faith in the correctness of Lahiri is that at the time of the

conjunction in 2000 Rahu was exactly at 3°20' in Cancer (mean nodes),

which is an important point in the zodiac since it is also mentioned that

Satya Yuga starts when Sun, Moon and Jupiter enter the nakshatra of Pusya

at the same time. So here Rahu would indicate the start of the Krta Chakra

in 2000...

 

Concerning Buddha's birth, it would be 563 BC according to the general

opinion, but it actually looks better with 503 BC regarding the account in

the Second Book of Acts. Mary was born as Eunice at the time of Socrates,

who died in 399 BC, while she was still a young girl, and not long married

yet. We can presume she was about 30, and there were 13 years between her

life as Yashodara, the wife of Siddharta Buddha and her birth as Eunice.

As Yashodara she lived up to a good age, yet 503 to about 443 would be

about 60 years, so that looks acceptable. Bhaktivinode Thakur writes in

his "Krsna-samhita" also that Buddha was born around 500 BC. So that would

actually put him into the Kali chakra indeed.

 

>I don't question Parasara, hence i accept the calculations derived

>therefrom. I believe Manu states that; 1 Kali Yuga is equal to; 1200

>years.. of the gods. This was accepted by Sri Yukteswar, and everyone

>else, except Yukteswar considered these as years of us humans and not

>that of the gods.

 

Yes, I was mistaking the Chakras to be equal to years of the demigods.

However, my calculations seemed to be correct using varshas instead of

years of the demigods. But then the chakras indeed do not coincide. Then

the Kali Yuga must have started either 4800 or 6000 years ago. I would go

for 6000, since in Egyptian pyramids a calendar has been found starting

from 3999 BC till now. And the Saptarishi connecting with each nakshatra

for 100 years could also give one cycle of 2800 years if they connect to

Abhijit as well. Thus that would make it 5600 for 2 such cycles and it

appears they now go into Chitra.

 

>Question was rather, whether to count Jup-Sat cojunctions, or to merely

>count linear. Jup and Sat were said to be conjunct at 0 degrees of aries

>at the begining of Kali Yuga, which was accepted as 3102 BC.

 

Why should it be exactly at 0 degrees Aries? I would propose we rather

have to look at the exact degree of Rahu-Ketu, since they represent the

Kala Chakra. No, Jup-Sat conjunctions will happen every 20 x 360 days, or

about 19.71 years. That makes the cycle full every 59 years, thus every

new cycle of the 60 Hindu years will have the Jup-Sat conjunction in

another year. 60 of these cycles comprise 3600 solar years, after which

the Jup-Sat conjunction falls in the same year again. This is were the

years of the demigods and chakras will coincide again, 10 years of the

demigods and 3 cycles of krta-treta-dwapara-kali chakras, and that's also

the basis for the bigger yugas.

 

>I accept what Manu and Parasara have taught, being that they are the

>exact source of this knowledge.

 

The rest of what I said seems to be correct. My concept only needed some

polishing. Thank you very much for the article attached, it was indeed

helpful for my understanding. I'll try to meditate a little more on how to

see the start of Kali Yuga, e.g. what is the difference between the

technically accepted start of Kali Yuga and the commonly accepted one

after Krishna left the planet, and what the ayanamsa value of 22°40' could

be standing for (about 1632 years). That means, where was the ayanamsa at

the start of Kali Yuga? It looks quite close to 0 degrees Gemini if it was

6000 years ago.

 

>So if you agree, we're back to the first question; Which Chakra was

>Buddha born, and which Samvatsara?

 

I agree. The question about Chakra and year of birth of Buddha I have

answered above already. What about date? Is Buddha Purnima His birthday,

or may it be the date of His disappearance? You said you have a possible

chart, does it match with the Buddha Purnima?

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa