Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 om namoh loka gurave namah -------------------------- Dear Natabara, Nice post. One correction ... Ketu can never be the Chara Atmakaaraka. The Chara Kaarakas stand for sustainance in this material world and hence Ketu who is MokshaKaarka can never be AK!!! The Dasa Avatars are connected to Nine Planets and the 10th one i.e Kalki is represented by Lagna. Regards Skanda gjlist, "natabara" <natabara@n...> wrote: > Bonjour Martine > > > > I am sorry for this delay in writing back but other commitments have delayed some of my duties like answering emails. > > > > Mercy beaucoup for your nice question, which inspire me to answer in the following way. > > > > Toi > > << Apparemment le Mal débouche sur le Bien, mais je ne comprends pas bien > ce que veut dire Visti. Ce n'est pas le texte anglais qui me pose > problème mais la signification de l'idée qu'il veut exprimer. Peux- tu > l'expliquer ? Cela m'intéresse d'autant plus que Rahu est Atmakaraka > dans mon thème.>> > > > > moi > > That is one of the reasons why I love the French language, because it is very philosophical, logical, analytical and inquisitive, like my rising sign of Virgo. > > > > I will try to explain to your question on behalf of other students of Jyotish. > > > > Parasara Muni is one of the 18 original fathers of Vedic astrology. He is the father of Srila Vyasadeva whom compiled and composed the Vedas at the beginning of this Kali Yuga. We are told that Vyasadeva dictated the Vedas to Lord Ganesh, whom wrote them on behalf of humans to be born in this Kali Yuga. > > > > Before Kali Yuga humans experienced better Yugas were memory, health, life and happiness was more extensive and better than in Kali Yuga. Before Kali Yuga there was not need of writing anything because our memory was more retentive and therefore, knowledge was transmitted in an oral form rather than in writing. > > > > Kali Yuga started on 18 February 3,102 BC and therefore Parasara was around about some 5,000 years ago. > > > > Psychologists claim that humans in the West use one side of the brain, while those born in the East use the other side of the brain. > > > > We can see a clear division in thought, Reason and Intuition, Active and Passive, Electrical and Magnetically, Day and Night, Sun and Moon. > > > > About 50 years ago, Jyotish was mainly practiced in India where we find a more intuitive brain different from our Roman linear thought as inherited by Western cultures. > > > > The Indian frame of mind is rooted in the Vedas, which are more cyclic than linear. We have been learning a lot about the gunas or modes of nature, but we should learn as well about the 3 main paths in yoga. > > > > To understand Jyotish we should touch many different branches of knowledge, and the paths of yoga is essential. > > > > One thing is to learn Jyotish and another is to teach it. Every author try his/her best to explain according to his abilities, but he/she is limited by his/her own gunas or modes of nature, culture, beliefs, etc > > > > One of the advantages, which I had in the beginning of my studies of Jyotish, is that I did embrace the path of bhakti yoga and therefore I could understand better the Indian (from India) thought. > > > > Therefore in the propagation of Jyotish we can see a division of Indian and western thought. About 20 years ago, some Western people started to write books on Jyotish according to how they understood and the understanding of the western mentality. > > > > Still the demand to understand Jyotish requires the understanding of yoga. > > > > There are 3 main paths of yoga; karma, jnana and bhakti, or roughly: work, knowledge and devotion. Or astrologically speaking, karma is the daring or Leo qualities. Jnana is like the thinking or Geminian quality. And bhakti is like the feeling or the Cancerian qualities. > > > > It is very difficult to find any of those paths in its pure form, because those 3 paths are mixed with traits from the other 2 paths. > > > > Even those that claim to be on the pure path of bhakti yoga are likely to have mixed traits of karma yoga or jnana yoga. And even in the pure path of bhakti we find grades of pure bhakti. > > > > Some people say that all the paths lead to Rome, perhaps but once in Rome, some people may meet with ordinary people, others with the major or leader of Rome, and within beautiful Rome we find the Vatican, and some may meet the Pope and those that are more lucky may meet with God. > > > > Here we can see a distinctive gradation in destination in Rome. Therefore, although all the paths may lead to Rome, the destination may be different according to our intentions, desires, karma and goals. > > > > Some people having a misunderstanding of bhakti are likely to miss the essence of bhakti. It is good to understand bhakti. The essence of bhakti is love, affection, devotion, surrender, and service. > > > > The 18 fathers of Jyotish were bhakti yogis. Lets see with the eyes of bhakti that great book called Brihat Parasara Hora Sastra, compiled by Parasara Muni. > > > > That great book starts with the worship of Ganesh the son of Uma, the eternal consort of Lord Shiva. Because Ganesh is the "saint", "patronlord" or guide to Vedic astrologers, we must give our respects to him. That is bhakti. We should offer our love and devotion to our guru. > > > > Then Maitreya with an attitude of devotion asked Parasara about the secrets of Jyotish. > > Then Parasara before answering prayed to Lord Brahma, the architect of this universe, his eternal consort Sarasvati, the Goddess of learning and wisdom (the Sophie of Christians), Surya, the Sun and leader of the planets. > > > > The Vedic astrologer R Santhanam translated from Sanskrit into English: > > > > "Only good will follow the teaching of this Vedic Science to > > the students who are peacefully disposed, who honour the > > preceptors (and elders) who speak only truth and are God > > fearing. Woeful forever, doubtlessly, will it be to impart > > knowledge of this science to an unwilling student, to a > > heterodox, and to a crafty person." > > > > Then Parasara elaborated about the 3 gunas and their representatives, and about the origin of everything, God. > > > > In chapter 2 Santhanam translated thus: > > > > "3-4. The Unborn lord has many incarnations. He has > > incarnated as the 9 grahas (Nava Grahas) to bestow on the > > living beings the results due to their Karmas. He is > > Janardan. He assumed the auspicious form of grahas to > > destroy the demons (evil forces) and sustain the divine > > beings." > > > > Of course he is referring to Krishna, the Supreme, the unborn. Janardan is one of his thousands of names. By grahas we understand centres of energies, the planets, and by the 9 grahas we understand the 9 traditional planets of Vedic astrology. > > > > We can understand here that the grahas are just vehicles, chunk of matter in the universe, and God is the driver of them. Matter by itself is just death, the living principle is necessary to make matter works. > > > > A body is alive as long as there is a jiva, a soul making it work. The symptom of the soul is consciousness. Without consciousness, the bodies are death matter. > > > > Then Santhanam translates: > > > > "5-7. From Surya the incarnation of Ram, from Chandra that of > > Krishna, from Mangal that of Narasimha, from Buddha that of > > Buddha, from Guru that of Vamana, from Shukra that of > > Parashurama, from Shani that of Kurma (Tortoise), from Rahu > > that of Varaha (pig), and from Ketu that of Meena (Fish) > > occurred. All other incarnations than these also are > > through the grahas. The beings with more Paramatmamsh are > > called divine beings." > > > > I have added an "a" at the end to many names as we know them in the West. > > > > We arrive here to your question. > > > > We can understand that out of love for the souls, Krishna (God) has taking control of the planets to indicate to them their trends of destiny. > > > > Because you want to know about the Atmakaraka, or the natural indicator for the soul in a Vedic horoscope, I will try here to explain the missions of those divine incarnations. By reading about them we can understand the main function of our Atmakaraka planet. > > > > You can read about those divine incarnations from the Srimad Bhagavatam. Because I do not want to lose the continuity in my present thoughts, some other devotees can refer to the relevant chapters. In the past 2 years I have seen in the GJ list the postings from 30-40 devotees that I am sure have read the Srimad Bhagavatam. > > > > Although I have the 27 books of the first 9 Cantos and the other 3 cantos in email format, I do not want to deviate my thought now in searching. > > > > At present we live in a tri-dimensional creation, because we the soul reincarnated in a human body, have 3 main stages of consciousness. The first of those levels of awareness is in the sleep mode. The second level is the dream state. The third level of awareness is the ordinary awareness. > > > > The 4th state of awareness is when we connect to higher levels of consciousness. > > > > This 4th stage is coming more evident as seen from the drastic changes shown by all the planets in this system. This stage is free and we do not need to pay materially to connect to it. The only payment required is pure love and affection, devoid of mundane and selfish intentions. > > > > Many are likely to try to profit from the sell of the connection to a higher stage, but only those in which horoscopes are indicated a good karma will succeed and others are likely to be cheated. > > > > Beware of imitations, only the real thing is right and it is not coke. > > > > When the Sun is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Rama. > > > > According to the Ramayana of Valmiki, Lord Rama incarnated some 2 million years ago. His mission was to shown the ideal life of a Vedic king and having a single wife. > > > > Rama, and his close entourage were banned to live in a forest for 14 years. His wife Sita was kidnapped then by the demon Ravana and taken to now Sri Lanka. > > > > Rama did find where Sita was located and with the help of His devotee Hanuman, Rama crossed to that island, killed Ravana in a fight and rescued Sita. > > > > We can see here, the principle of authority, effulgence, honesty, rightfulness, peacefulness, loyalty, justice and devotion. > > > > When the Moon is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Krishna. > > Of all the incarnations of God, Vedic scholars consider Krishna the Supreme. Krishna appears once in a day of Brahma, or once every 8,640,000,000 earthly years. > > > > The last time that Krishna appeared on Earth was some 125 years before the beginning of this Kali Yuga. > > > > In His incarnation as Krishna He showed some of His opulences. He is well known as having driving the chariot of his cousin Arjuna during the battle of Kuruksetra. Arjuna was a warrior and his duty was to fight for the right cause, which was the attaining the kingdom of Hastinapura. In those days, the king of Hastinapura was automatically the Emperor of the whole Earth. > > > > Arjuna had a duty to take the kingdom of the Earth from his cousins the Kurus, whom had taken the kingdom illegally and in a fraudulent way. > > > > Arjuna was one of the 5 Pandava brothers. Arjuna was the son of Pandu and Kunti, begotten by Indra the king of the gods, whose residence is in Uranus. > > > > The other brothers were Nakula and Sahadeva the youngest of all and twin sons of king Pandu and his wife Madri, begotten by the twin Ashvini Kumaras. Sahadeva was the Vedic astrologer. > > > > Bhimasena was the second child of Pandu and Kunti and begotten by Vayu, the wind-god. > > > > Yudhisthira was the eldest son of Pandu and Kunti and begotten by Yama, the superintendent of death whose residence is in Pluto. > > > > Thanks to Krishna, the Pandava brothers won the battle of Kuruksetra and therefore, Yudhisthira became the king of Hastinapura. > > > > Here we can see the principles of supremacy, opulence, mercy, benevolence, justice, and devotion. > > > > When Mars is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Narasimha. > > > > Narasimha means the incarnation half nara (human), and half simha (lion). > > > > According to the Vedas Prahlada Maharaja, was a great devotee of the Lord, but due to his karma, reincarnated in the family of demons. His father was a great demon called Hiranyakasipu and hated God. Hiranyakasipu obtained from Brahma the power that he was not going to be killed by human or by beast, in the air or on earth, during the day or at night. > > > > Once, Hiranyakasipu asked his little son Prahlada, if God was everywhere. Prahlada said yes, God is everywhere. Hiranyakasipu said that he was going to destroy one of the pillars of his palace to show that if God was in the pillar, Hiranyakasipu was going to destroy God. When Hiranyakasipu started to demolish the pillar, Narasimha appeared out of the pillar, and grabbing Hiranyakasipu killed him. Therefore, Hiranyakasipu was killed not by human or by beast but by a mixture of both. He was killed at twilight, not during the day or night, and not on the air or on Earth, but on the lap of Narasimha. > > > > Here we can see the principles of justified violence, correction to atheistic concoctions, fearless frame of mind, reward to the faithful, strength, faith, and victory of good over bad. > > > > When Mercury is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Buddha. Many people know about Lord Buddha. There are many Buddha but the original one is the incarnation of Krishna appearing at a time when people were killing animals to eat them, under the Vedic sanction. According to the Vedas, humans are allowed to eat the flesh from animals when there is a danger of starving to death or when there is a need to balance the health. In ayurveda, or Vedic medicine, there are some prescriptions to eat the flesh from some animals in order to restore health. Therefore, people were distorting the Vedic prescriptions to satisfy their low propensities of satisfying their sense of the tongue. > > > > Vedic astrologers must be lacto vegetarians, otherwise they cannot develop their sense and understanding of piety and mercy. > > > > Mother Nature has given us an ample source of lacto vegetarian food, and therefore we can survive with a healthy diet of grains, vegetables, fruits and milk products. > > > > Lord Buddha incarnated to tell those people to deny the Vedas in regard to eat flesh, and to follow Him. To follow Buddha is the same as following God, although in a different degree of consciousness. > > > > Here we can see the principles of piety, mercy, kindness, consideration, intelligence, and discrimination (between good and bad). > > > > When Jupiter is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Vamanadeva. > > > > Vamanadeva appeared when Bali Maharaja, a king of the demons took possession of the universe after having defeated the demigods. > > > > Vamanadeva appeared as a Brahman dwarf to Bali. Because Bali had a high respect for the Vedic principles, he knew that brahmans (Vedic priests) have to be respected and protected by the king and people. Therefore, to satisfy Vamanadeva, Bali asked for any desire that he as a king of this universe could satisfy. > > > > Vamanadeva requested from Bali, enough land that he could touch with 3 of his steps. Bali laughed because as a dwarf Vamanadeva could not reach much land. But Bali agreed to that request. > > > > Then, Vamanadeva touched this Earthly plane with His first step, and becoming a giant, Vamanadeva touch the limits of this universe with His second step, and He asked Bali to where He should put His 3rd step, having already touched this plane and the whole universe. Bali Maharaja had been warned by his guru Sukracharya (Venus), no to entertain Vamanadeva because Sukra knew about Vamanadeva real identity. But Bali decided to disobey his own guru to follow the Vedic principles of respecting and rewarding a Brahman like Vamanadeva. > > > > When Bali saw that Vamanadeva had taken a hold of the whole universe, he could see that Vamanadeva was God, the Supreme, the Absolute. And therefore Bali surrendered to Vamanadeva and with a humble attitude, he requested Vamanadeva to place His third step on his head, indicating that Vamanadeva could take hold of Bali himself. > > > > Here we can see the principles of respect, charity, Vedic principles, amassment, expansion, surrender. > > > > When Venus is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Parasurama. > > > > Parasurama is the incarnation of Krishna appearing as a warrior when the Earth was overburden by nasty warriors. Those nasty warriors were exploiting, using and abusing their position and authority. Therefore, Parasurama appeared as a great warrior and killed those nasty warriors 21 times, to make sure that they were not going to come back and continue their evil intentions. This means that when killed, those warriors just reincarnated again and again with the same propensities to overburden the Earth, and therefore, Parasurama made sure that they were not going to be a danger any more to the Vedic balance in this universe. > > > > Here we can see the principles of balance, justice, karmic knowledge, restoration of good, chastisement. > > > > When Saturn is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Kurmadeva or the giant divine tortoise. > > > > Kurmadeva is related to the churning of the ocean as celebrated in stones in the great temples at Angkor. > > > > Once up on a time, the demigods and the asuras or demons joined efforts to churn the ocean in order to extract from it the elixir of immortality. However, for such a task they needed the cooperation of Vasuki, the celestial snake, Mount Meru, and Kurmadeva. Kurmadeva or the divine giant tortoise agreed to carry mount Meru on his back. Vasuki, the celestial snake agreed to turn his body around Mount Meru in order to gyrate it. > > > > Here we can see the principles of tolerance, endurance, patience. > > > > When Rahu is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Varaha or the divine giant wild boar. > > > > Once up on a time, the Earth planet fell from its orbit and landed on the mud of the ocean of this universe. > > > > To rescue the Earth lord Varaha appeared. In the form of a giant wild boar, He lifted the Earth with His tusks and put it back in its orbit. Demoniac people no knowing how to manage the natural resources on Earth, from time to time make the Earth change its motion or run off its orbit. > > We can see the example of how this present materialistic civilization is based on the main exploitation of petrol. Srila Prabhupada said once that in order to satisfy the present demand for fuel, scientists are extracting oil from Earth without thinking that such activity is going to produce an unbalance on Earth's motion and stability. He was told that scientists are leaving huge empty bags once the petrol is extracted, and that they are filling the empty space with seawater. Srila Prabhupada said that seawater does not have the same weight as petrol and it does not produce the same fumes necessary for the Earth's equilibrium. He said that mother nature, to serve as giant brakes to maintain Earth in a determined orbit, put those giant petrol bags there. Once those "brakes" are gone, the Earth will spin in a different motion and different orbit. No wonder we are starting to see drastic climatic changes all over. > > > > The greedy exploitation of petrol is attracting a heavy karma, which will soon show malefic reactions. > > > > We may pray for peace on this world but we should pray for humanity stopping the blind exploitation of our natural resources and the killing of animals to satisfy the tongue of materialistic people. > > > > Those main sinful activities, are enough to attract wars and wealth inequality in this world. When we want to stop a fire, we must stop the cause of the fire instead of allowing people to add fuel to the fire. > > > > As long as people continue in their mad career to satisfy their perverted senses, we are going to see wars and a lack of good managers. There is plenty of natural resources on this Earth to satisfy the natural demands of 20 or 30 billion humans. It is greed and mismanagement that is causing an unbalance on Earth. > > > > Here we can see the principles of rescue, resurrection, normalisation, helping. > > > > When Ketu is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Matsya or the giant divine fish. > > > > Once in the past, the Vedas were in danger of being lost by a huge deluge. Therefore, Matsya in the form of a giant fish appeared to save the Vedas. > > > > Here we can see the principles of salvation, protection, liberation. > > > > Vedic astrologers can draw more principles to those atmakarakas, I have only mentioned some guidelines. > > > > Best wishes > > Natabara das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 Dear Natabhara Prabhu, Dandavats! All glories to Srila Prabhupada, That was a well thought out post, but I have a question for you.Though the different grahas represent different incarnations of the Lord,my reading specifies 12th to the Karakamsa as a guide to the Ishta Devata. For example I have Saturn posited in Capricorn(In Navamsa) as Atmakaraka,so Jupiter becomes the indicator of Ishta or propensities of the Soul toward a Deity. Infact thats my second question, though Jupiter signifies Vamanadeva, our parampara dictates worship of Sri Krishna, and I worship the Supreme Lord.In my Navamsa Jupiter is placed in Taurus with Mars,and that could reconcile my orientation toward Lord Narasimhadev.But my worship of the Lord in His original form as Krishna is still a matter that iam attempting to figure. Thanks in advance for your input. Jaya Jagannatha Sudharsan gjlist, "natabara" <natabara@n...> wrote: > Bonjour Martine > > > > I am sorry for this delay in writing back but other commitments have delayed some of my duties like answering emails. > > > > Mercy beaucoup for your nice question, which inspire me to answer in the following way. > > > > Toi > > << Apparemment le Mal débouche sur le Bien, mais je ne comprends pas bien > ce que veut dire Visti. Ce n'est pas le texte anglais qui me pose > problème mais la signification de l'idée qu'il veut exprimer. Peux- tu > l'expliquer ? Cela m'intéresse d'autant plus que Rahu est Atmakaraka > dans mon thème.>> > > > > moi > > That is one of the reasons why I love the French language, because it is very philosophical, logical, analytical and inquisitive, like my rising sign of Virgo. > > > > I will try to explain to your question on behalf of other students of Jyotish. > > > > Parasara Muni is one of the 18 original fathers of Vedic astrology. He is the father of Srila Vyasadeva whom compiled and composed the Vedas at the beginning of this Kali Yuga. We are told that Vyasadeva dictated the Vedas to Lord Ganesh, whom wrote them on behalf of humans to be born in this Kali Yuga. > > > > Before Kali Yuga humans experienced better Yugas were memory, health, life and happiness was more extensive and better than in Kali Yuga. Before Kali Yuga there was not need of writing anything because our memory was more retentive and therefore, knowledge was transmitted in an oral form rather than in writing. > > > > Kali Yuga started on 18 February 3,102 BC and therefore Parasara was around about some 5,000 years ago. > > > > Psychologists claim that humans in the West use one side of the brain, while those born in the East use the other side of the brain. > > > > We can see a clear division in thought, Reason and Intuition, Active and Passive, Electrical and Magnetically, Day and Night, Sun and Moon. > > > > About 50 years ago, Jyotish was mainly practiced in India where we find a more intuitive brain different from our Roman linear thought as inherited by Western cultures. > > > > The Indian frame of mind is rooted in the Vedas, which are more cyclic than linear. We have been learning a lot about the gunas or modes of nature, but we should learn as well about the 3 main paths in yoga. > > > > To understand Jyotish we should touch many different branches of knowledge, and the paths of yoga is essential. > > > > One thing is to learn Jyotish and another is to teach it. Every author try his/her best to explain according to his abilities, but he/she is limited by his/her own gunas or modes of nature, culture, beliefs, etc > > > > One of the advantages, which I had in the beginning of my studies of Jyotish, is that I did embrace the path of bhakti yoga and therefore I could understand better the Indian (from India) thought. > > > > Therefore in the propagation of Jyotish we can see a division of Indian and western thought. About 20 years ago, some Western people started to write books on Jyotish according to how they understood and the understanding of the western mentality. > > > > Still the demand to understand Jyotish requires the understanding of yoga. > > > > There are 3 main paths of yoga; karma, jnana and bhakti, or roughly: work, knowledge and devotion. Or astrologically speaking, karma is the daring or Leo qualities. Jnana is like the thinking or Geminian quality. And bhakti is like the feeling or the Cancerian qualities. > > > > It is very difficult to find any of those paths in its pure form, because those 3 paths are mixed with traits from the other 2 paths. > > > > Even those that claim to be on the pure path of bhakti yoga are likely to have mixed traits of karma yoga or jnana yoga. And even in the pure path of bhakti we find grades of pure bhakti. > > > > Some people say that all the paths lead to Rome, perhaps but once in Rome, some people may meet with ordinary people, others with the major or leader of Rome, and within beautiful Rome we find the Vatican, and some may meet the Pope and those that are more lucky may meet with God. > > > > Here we can see a distinctive gradation in destination in Rome. Therefore, although all the paths may lead to Rome, the destination may be different according to our intentions, desires, karma and goals. > > > > Some people having a misunderstanding of bhakti are likely to miss the essence of bhakti. It is good to understand bhakti. The essence of bhakti is love, affection, devotion, surrender, and service. > > > > The 18 fathers of Jyotish were bhakti yogis. Lets see with the eyes of bhakti that great book called Brihat Parasara Hora Sastra, compiled by Parasara Muni. > > > > That great book starts with the worship of Ganesh the son of Uma, the eternal consort of Lord Shiva. Because Ganesh is the "saint", "patronlord" or guide to Vedic astrologers, we must give our respects to him. That is bhakti. We should offer our love and devotion to our guru. > > > > Then Maitreya with an attitude of devotion asked Parasara about the secrets of Jyotish. > > Then Parasara before answering prayed to Lord Brahma, the architect of this universe, his eternal consort Sarasvati, the Goddess of learning and wisdom (the Sophie of Christians), Surya, the Sun and leader of the planets. > > > > The Vedic astrologer R Santhanam translated from Sanskrit into English: > > > > "Only good will follow the teaching of this Vedic Science to > > the students who are peacefully disposed, who honour the > > preceptors (and elders) who speak only truth and are God > > fearing. Woeful forever, doubtlessly, will it be to impart > > knowledge of this science to an unwilling student, to a > > heterodox, and to a crafty person." > > > > Then Parasara elaborated about the 3 gunas and their representatives, and about the origin of everything, God. > > > > In chapter 2 Santhanam translated thus: > > > > "3-4. The Unborn lord has many incarnations. He has > > incarnated as the 9 grahas (Nava Grahas) to bestow on the > > living beings the results due to their Karmas. He is > > Janardan. He assumed the auspicious form of grahas to > > destroy the demons (evil forces) and sustain the divine > > beings." > > > > Of course he is referring to Krishna, the Supreme, the unborn. Janardan is one of his thousands of names. By grahas we understand centres of energies, the planets, and by the 9 grahas we understand the 9 traditional planets of Vedic astrology. > > > > We can understand here that the grahas are just vehicles, chunk of matter in the universe, and God is the driver of them. Matter by itself is just death, the living principle is necessary to make matter works. > > > > A body is alive as long as there is a jiva, a soul making it work. The symptom of the soul is consciousness. Without consciousness, the bodies are death matter. > > > > Then Santhanam translates: > > > > "5-7. From Surya the incarnation of Ram, from Chandra that of > > Krishna, from Mangal that of Narasimha, from Buddha that of > > Buddha, from Guru that of Vamana, from Shukra that of > > Parashurama, from Shani that of Kurma (Tortoise), from Rahu > > that of Varaha (pig), and from Ketu that of Meena (Fish) > > occurred. All other incarnations than these also are > > through the grahas. The beings with more Paramatmamsh are > > called divine beings." > > > > I have added an "a" at the end to many names as we know them in the West. > > > > We arrive here to your question. > > > > We can understand that out of love for the souls, Krishna (God) has taking control of the planets to indicate to them their trends of destiny. > > > > Because you want to know about the Atmakaraka, or the natural indicator for the soul in a Vedic horoscope, I will try here to explain the missions of those divine incarnations. By reading about them we can understand the main function of our Atmakaraka planet. > > > > You can read about those divine incarnations from the Srimad Bhagavatam. Because I do not want to lose the continuity in my present thoughts, some other devotees can refer to the relevant chapters. In the past 2 years I have seen in the GJ list the postings from 30-40 devotees that I am sure have read the Srimad Bhagavatam. > > > > Although I have the 27 books of the first 9 Cantos and the other 3 cantos in email format, I do not want to deviate my thought now in searching. > > > > At present we live in a tri-dimensional creation, because we the soul reincarnated in a human body, have 3 main stages of consciousness. The first of those levels of awareness is in the sleep mode. The second level is the dream state. The third level of awareness is the ordinary awareness. > > > > The 4th state of awareness is when we connect to higher levels of consciousness. > > > > This 4th stage is coming more evident as seen from the drastic changes shown by all the planets in this system. This stage is free and we do not need to pay materially to connect to it. The only payment required is pure love and affection, devoid of mundane and selfish intentions. > > > > Many are likely to try to profit from the sell of the connection to a higher stage, but only those in which horoscopes are indicated a good karma will succeed and others are likely to be cheated. > > > > Beware of imitations, only the real thing is right and it is not coke. > > > > When the Sun is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Rama. > > > > According to the Ramayana of Valmiki, Lord Rama incarnated some 2 million years ago. His mission was to shown the ideal life of a Vedic king and having a single wife. > > > > Rama, and his close entourage were banned to live in a forest for 14 years. His wife Sita was kidnapped then by the demon Ravana and taken to now Sri Lanka. > > > > Rama did find where Sita was located and with the help of His devotee Hanuman, Rama crossed to that island, killed Ravana in a fight and rescued Sita. > > > > We can see here, the principle of authority, effulgence, honesty, rightfulness, peacefulness, loyalty, justice and devotion. > > > > When the Moon is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Krishna. > > Of all the incarnations of God, Vedic scholars consider Krishna the Supreme. Krishna appears once in a day of Brahma, or once every 8,640,000,000 earthly years. > > > > The last time that Krishna appeared on Earth was some 125 years before the beginning of this Kali Yuga. > > > > In His incarnation as Krishna He showed some of His opulences. He is well known as having driving the chariot of his cousin Arjuna during the battle of Kuruksetra. Arjuna was a warrior and his duty was to fight for the right cause, which was the attaining the kingdom of Hastinapura. In those days, the king of Hastinapura was automatically the Emperor of the whole Earth. > > > > Arjuna had a duty to take the kingdom of the Earth from his cousins the Kurus, whom had taken the kingdom illegally and in a fraudulent way. > > > > Arjuna was one of the 5 Pandava brothers. Arjuna was the son of Pandu and Kunti, begotten by Indra the king of the gods, whose residence is in Uranus. > > > > The other brothers were Nakula and Sahadeva the youngest of all and twin sons of king Pandu and his wife Madri, begotten by the twin Ashvini Kumaras. Sahadeva was the Vedic astrologer. > > > > Bhimasena was the second child of Pandu and Kunti and begotten by Vayu, the wind-god. > > > > Yudhisthira was the eldest son of Pandu and Kunti and begotten by Yama, the superintendent of death whose residence is in Pluto. > > > > Thanks to Krishna, the Pandava brothers won the battle of Kuruksetra and therefore, Yudhisthira became the king of Hastinapura. > > > > Here we can see the principles of supremacy, opulence, mercy, benevolence, justice, and devotion. > > > > When Mars is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Narasimha. > > > > Narasimha means the incarnation half nara (human), and half simha (lion). > > > > According to the Vedas Prahlada Maharaja, was a great devotee of the Lord, but due to his karma, reincarnated in the family of demons. His father was a great demon called Hiranyakasipu and hated God. Hiranyakasipu obtained from Brahma the power that he was not going to be killed by human or by beast, in the air or on earth, during the day or at night. > > > > Once, Hiranyakasipu asked his little son Prahlada, if God was everywhere. Prahlada said yes, God is everywhere. Hiranyakasipu said that he was going to destroy one of the pillars of his palace to show that if God was in the pillar, Hiranyakasipu was going to destroy God. When Hiranyakasipu started to demolish the pillar, Narasimha appeared out of the pillar, and grabbing Hiranyakasipu killed him. Therefore, Hiranyakasipu was killed not by human or by beast but by a mixture of both. He was killed at twilight, not during the day or night, and not on the air or on Earth, but on the lap of Narasimha. > > > > Here we can see the principles of justified violence, correction to atheistic concoctions, fearless frame of mind, reward to the faithful, strength, faith, and victory of good over bad. > > > > When Mercury is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Buddha. Many people know about Lord Buddha. There are many Buddha but the original one is the incarnation of Krishna appearing at a time when people were killing animals to eat them, under the Vedic sanction. According to the Vedas, humans are allowed to eat the flesh from animals when there is a danger of starving to death or when there is a need to balance the health. In ayurveda, or Vedic medicine, there are some prescriptions to eat the flesh from some animals in order to restore health. Therefore, people were distorting the Vedic prescriptions to satisfy their low propensities of satisfying their sense of the tongue. > > > > Vedic astrologers must be lacto vegetarians, otherwise they cannot develop their sense and understanding of piety and mercy. > > > > Mother Nature has given us an ample source of lacto vegetarian food, and therefore we can survive with a healthy diet of grains, vegetables, fruits and milk products. > > > > Lord Buddha incarnated to tell those people to deny the Vedas in regard to eat flesh, and to follow Him. To follow Buddha is the same as following God, although in a different degree of consciousness. > > > > Here we can see the principles of piety, mercy, kindness, consideration, intelligence, and discrimination (between good and bad). > > > > When Jupiter is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Vamanadeva. > > > > Vamanadeva appeared when Bali Maharaja, a king of the demons took possession of the universe after having defeated the demigods. > > > > Vamanadeva appeared as a Brahman dwarf to Bali. Because Bali had a high respect for the Vedic principles, he knew that brahmans (Vedic priests) have to be respected and protected by the king and people. Therefore, to satisfy Vamanadeva, Bali asked for any desire that he as a king of this universe could satisfy. > > > > Vamanadeva requested from Bali, enough land that he could touch with 3 of his steps. Bali laughed because as a dwarf Vamanadeva could not reach much land. But Bali agreed to that request. > > > > Then, Vamanadeva touched this Earthly plane with His first step, and becoming a giant, Vamanadeva touch the limits of this universe with His second step, and He asked Bali to where He should put His 3rd step, having already touched this plane and the whole universe. Bali Maharaja had been warned by his guru Sukracharya (Venus), no to entertain Vamanadeva because Sukra knew about Vamanadeva real identity. But Bali decided to disobey his own guru to follow the Vedic principles of respecting and rewarding a Brahman like Vamanadeva. > > > > When Bali saw that Vamanadeva had taken a hold of the whole universe, he could see that Vamanadeva was God, the Supreme, the Absolute. And therefore Bali surrendered to Vamanadeva and with a humble attitude, he requested Vamanadeva to place His third step on his head, indicating that Vamanadeva could take hold of Bali himself. > > > > Here we can see the principles of respect, charity, Vedic principles, amassment, expansion, surrender. > > > > When Venus is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Parasurama. > > > > Parasurama is the incarnation of Krishna appearing as a warrior when the Earth was overburden by nasty warriors. Those nasty warriors were exploiting, using and abusing their position and authority. Therefore, Parasurama appeared as a great warrior and killed those nasty warriors 21 times, to make sure that they were not going to come back and continue their evil intentions. This means that when killed, those warriors just reincarnated again and again with the same propensities to overburden the Earth, and therefore, Parasurama made sure that they were not going to be a danger any more to the Vedic balance in this universe. > > > > Here we can see the principles of balance, justice, karmic knowledge, restoration of good, chastisement. > > > > When Saturn is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Kurmadeva or the giant divine tortoise. > > > > Kurmadeva is related to the churning of the ocean as celebrated in stones in the great temples at Angkor. > > > > Once up on a time, the demigods and the asuras or demons joined efforts to churn the ocean in order to extract from it the elixir of immortality. However, for such a task they needed the cooperation of Vasuki, the celestial snake, Mount Meru, and Kurmadeva. Kurmadeva or the divine giant tortoise agreed to carry mount Meru on his back. Vasuki, the celestial snake agreed to turn his body around Mount Meru in order to gyrate it. > > > > Here we can see the principles of tolerance, endurance, patience. > > > > When Rahu is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Varaha or the divine giant wild boar. > > > > Once up on a time, the Earth planet fell from its orbit and landed on the mud of the ocean of this universe. > > > > To rescue the Earth lord Varaha appeared. In the form of a giant wild boar, He lifted the Earth with His tusks and put it back in its orbit. Demoniac people no knowing how to manage the natural resources on Earth, from time to time make the Earth change its motion or run off its orbit. > > We can see the example of how this present materialistic civilization is based on the main exploitation of petrol. Srila Prabhupada said once that in order to satisfy the present demand for fuel, scientists are extracting oil from Earth without thinking that such activity is going to produce an unbalance on Earth's motion and stability. He was told that scientists are leaving huge empty bags once the petrol is extracted, and that they are filling the empty space with seawater. Srila Prabhupada said that seawater does not have the same weight as petrol and it does not produce the same fumes necessary for the Earth's equilibrium. He said that mother nature, to serve as giant brakes to maintain Earth in a determined orbit, put those giant petrol bags there. Once those "brakes" are gone, the Earth will spin in a different motion and different orbit. No wonder we are starting to see drastic climatic changes all over. > > > > The greedy exploitation of petrol is attracting a heavy karma, which will soon show malefic reactions. > > > > We may pray for peace on this world but we should pray for humanity stopping the blind exploitation of our natural resources and the killing of animals to satisfy the tongue of materialistic people. > > > > Those main sinful activities, are enough to attract wars and wealth inequality in this world. When we want to stop a fire, we must stop the cause of the fire instead of allowing people to add fuel to the fire. > > > > As long as people continue in their mad career to satisfy their perverted senses, we are going to see wars and a lack of good managers. There is plenty of natural resources on this Earth to satisfy the natural demands of 20 or 30 billion humans. It is greed and mismanagement that is causing an unbalance on Earth. > > > > Here we can see the principles of rescue, resurrection, normalisation, helping. > > > > When Ketu is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Matsya or the giant divine fish. > > > > Once in the past, the Vedas were in danger of being lost by a huge deluge. Therefore, Matsya in the form of a giant fish appeared to save the Vedas. > > > > Here we can see the principles of salvation, protection, liberation. > > > > Vedic astrologers can draw more principles to those atmakarakas, I have only mentioned some guidelines. > > > > Best wishes > > Natabara das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 Dear Natabara, I appreciate your excellent understand, esp CYCLICAL--The Indescribable's "desire" to be many led to this process of motion AND creation (the universe is called gaja - ga = motion and ja = birth). Cyclical motion, and hence time, resulted from Ajyam, iDhma, and havis (cf. puruSa sUktam). These are primordial r`tu-s, from which the r`tu- s on various pariDhi-s were resulted. >Before Kali Yuga there was not need of writing anything >because our >memory was more retentive and therefore, knowledge was >transmitted >in an oral form rather than in writing. Shruti(oral transmission) is the only way to avoid distortion-s. That is the primary reason. The reason is not Retentiveness. The whole post-18 century english translations of Scriptures are biased in some way(Indology influence, like yavana = Greek, which is wrong). Otherwise, we would have lost veda-s under church(brit-s) ruling in India. The ancient gurukula teaching involved the following: six darshana-s, like climbing six steps in knowledge scale; at least one Veda recitation fully by heart; Samskr`ta vyaakaraNa complete - to know the Veda The last step is: any one or more of the shaastra-s Till the British came, there were 157,000 gurukulas teaching like this, as per the account of MacCaulay himself! The shaastra-s were then digested by the student in light of the Veda(s) and darshana-s. vyAkaraNa, jyOtiSa, AyurvEda, (Dhanurveda for kings) were the major shaastra-s, but kalpa, nirukta, chchandas, etc. were also digested to master these shaastra-s. puraaNa-s were never the key part of this teaching or any shaastra; they are studied in the afternoons of early years in the gurukulas, since history and moral are therein. Even today they are never treated as part or basis of any shaastra, as our english educated friends these days impress on us. Best Regards, Venkateswara Reddy > > > > Kali Yuga started on 18 February 3,102 BC and therefore Parasara was around about some 5,000 years ago. > > > > Psychologists claim that humans in the West use one side of the brain, while those born in the East use the other side of the brain. > > > > We can see a clear division in thought, Reason and Intuition, Active and Passive, Electrical and Magnetically, Day and Night, Sun and Moon. > > > > About 50 years ago, Jyotish was mainly practiced in India where we find a more intuitive brain different from our Roman linear thought as inherited by Western cultures. > > > > The Indian frame of mind is rooted in the Vedas, which are more cyclic than linear. We have been learning a lot about the gunas or modes of nature, but we should learn as well about the 3 main paths in yoga. > > > > To understand Jyotish we should touch many different branches of knowledge, and the paths of yoga is essential. > > > > One thing is to learn Jyotish and another is to teach it. Every author try his/her best to explain according to his abilities, but he/she is limited by his/her own gunas or modes of nature, culture, beliefs, etc > > > > One of the advantages, which I had in the beginning of my studies of Jyotish, is that I did embrace the path of bhakti yoga and therefore I could understand better the Indian (from India) thought. > > > > Therefore in the propagation of Jyotish we can see a division of Indian and western thought. About 20 years ago, some Western people started to write books on Jyotish according to how they understood and the understanding of the western mentality. > > > > Still the demand to understand Jyotish requires the understanding of yoga. > > > > There are 3 main paths of yoga; karma, jnana and bhakti, or roughly: work, knowledge and devotion. Or astrologically speaking, karma is the daring or Leo qualities. Jnana is like the thinking or Geminian quality. And bhakti is like the feeling or the Cancerian qualities. > > > > It is very difficult to find any of those paths in its pure form, because those 3 paths are mixed with traits from the other 2 paths. > > > > Even those that claim to be on the pure path of bhakti yoga are likely to have mixed traits of karma yoga or jnana yoga. And even in the pure path of bhakti we find grades of pure bhakti. > > > > Some people say that all the paths lead to Rome, perhaps but once in Rome, some people may meet with ordinary people, others with the major or leader of Rome, and within beautiful Rome we find the Vatican, and some may meet the Pope and those that are more lucky may meet with God. > > > > Here we can see a distinctive gradation in destination in Rome. Therefore, although all the paths may lead to Rome, the destination may be different according to our intentions, desires, karma and goals. > > > > Some people having a misunderstanding of bhakti are likely to miss the essence of bhakti. It is good to understand bhakti. The essence of bhakti is love, affection, devotion, surrender, and service. > > > > The 18 fathers of Jyotish were bhakti yogis. Lets see with the eyes of bhakti that great book called Brihat Parasara Hora Sastra, compiled by Parasara Muni. > > > > That great book starts with the worship of Ganesh the son of Uma, the eternal consort of Lord Shiva. Because Ganesh is the "saint", "patronlord" or guide to Vedic astrologers, we must give our respects to him. That is bhakti. We should offer our love and devotion to our guru. > > > > Then Maitreya with an attitude of devotion asked Parasara about the secrets of Jyotish. > > Then Parasara before answering prayed to Lord Brahma, the architect of this universe, his eternal consort Sarasvati, the Goddess of learning and wisdom (the Sophie of Christians), Surya, the Sun and leader of the planets. > > > > The Vedic astrologer R Santhanam translated from Sanskrit into English: > > > > "Only good will follow the teaching of this Vedic Science to > > the students who are peacefully disposed, who honour the > > preceptors (and elders) who speak only truth and are God > > fearing. Woeful forever, doubtlessly, will it be to impart > > knowledge of this science to an unwilling student, to a > > heterodox, and to a crafty person." > > > > Then Parasara elaborated about the 3 gunas and their representatives, and about the origin of everything, God. > > > > In chapter 2 Santhanam translated thus: > > > > "3-4. The Unborn lord has many incarnations. He has > > incarnated as the 9 grahas (Nava Grahas) to bestow on the > > living beings the results due to their Karmas. He is > > Janardan. He assumed the auspicious form of grahas to > > destroy the demons (evil forces) and sustain the divine > > beings." > > > > Of course he is referring to Krishna, the Supreme, the unborn. Janardan is one of his thousands of names. By grahas we understand centres of energies, the planets, and by the 9 grahas we understand the 9 traditional planets of Vedic astrology. > > > > We can understand here that the grahas are just vehicles, chunk of matter in the universe, and God is the driver of them. Matter by itself is just death, the living principle is necessary to make matter works. > > > > A body is alive as long as there is a jiva, a soul making it work. The symptom of the soul is consciousness. Without consciousness, the bodies are death matter. > > > > Then Santhanam translates: > > > > "5-7. From Surya the incarnation of Ram, from Chandra that of > > Krishna, from Mangal that of Narasimha, from Buddha that of > > Buddha, from Guru that of Vamana, from Shukra that of > > Parashurama, from Shani that of Kurma (Tortoise), from Rahu > > that of Varaha (pig), and from Ketu that of Meena (Fish) > > occurred. All other incarnations than these also are > > through the grahas. The beings with more Paramatmamsh are > > called divine beings." > > > > I have added an "a" at the end to many names as we know them in the West. > > > > We arrive here to your question. > > > > We can understand that out of love for the souls, Krishna (God) has taking control of the planets to indicate to them their trends of destiny. > > > > Because you want to know about the Atmakaraka, or the natural indicator for the soul in a Vedic horoscope, I will try here to explain the missions of those divine incarnations. By reading about them we can understand the main function of our Atmakaraka planet. > > > > You can read about those divine incarnations from the Srimad Bhagavatam. Because I do not want to lose the continuity in my present thoughts, some other devotees can refer to the relevant chapters. In the past 2 years I have seen in the GJ list the postings from 30-40 devotees that I am sure have read the Srimad Bhagavatam. > > > > Although I have the 27 books of the first 9 Cantos and the other 3 cantos in email format, I do not want to deviate my thought now in searching. > > > > At present we live in a tri-dimensional creation, because we the soul reincarnated in a human body, have 3 main stages of consciousness. The first of those levels of awareness is in the sleep mode. The second level is the dream state. The third level of awareness is the ordinary awareness. > > > > The 4th state of awareness is when we connect to higher levels of consciousness. > > > > This 4th stage is coming more evident as seen from the drastic changes shown by all the planets in this system. This stage is free and we do not need to pay materially to connect to it. The only payment required is pure love and affection, devoid of mundane and selfish intentions. > > > > Many are likely to try to profit from the sell of the connection to a higher stage, but only those in which horoscopes are indicated a good karma will succeed and others are likely to be cheated. > > > > Beware of imitations, only the real thing is right and it is not coke. > > > > When the Sun is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Rama. > > > > According to the Ramayana of Valmiki, Lord Rama incarnated some 2 million years ago. His mission was to shown the ideal life of a Vedic king and having a single wife. > > > > Rama, and his close entourage were banned to live in a forest for 14 years. His wife Sita was kidnapped then by the demon Ravana and taken to now Sri Lanka. > > > > Rama did find where Sita was located and with the help of His devotee Hanuman, Rama crossed to that island, killed Ravana in a fight and rescued Sita. > > > > We can see here, the principle of authority, effulgence, honesty, rightfulness, peacefulness, loyalty, justice and devotion. > > > > When the Moon is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Krishna. > > Of all the incarnations of God, Vedic scholars consider Krishna the Supreme. Krishna appears once in a day of Brahma, or once every 8,640,000,000 earthly years. > > > > The last time that Krishna appeared on Earth was some 125 years before the beginning of this Kali Yuga. > > > > In His incarnation as Krishna He showed some of His opulences. He is well known as having driving the chariot of his cousin Arjuna during the battle of Kuruksetra. Arjuna was a warrior and his duty was to fight for the right cause, which was the attaining the kingdom of Hastinapura. In those days, the king of Hastinapura was automatically the Emperor of the whole Earth. > > > > Arjuna had a duty to take the kingdom of the Earth from his cousins the Kurus, whom had taken the kingdom illegally and in a fraudulent way. > > > > Arjuna was one of the 5 Pandava brothers. Arjuna was the son of Pandu and Kunti, begotten by Indra the king of the gods, whose residence is in Uranus. > > > > The other brothers were Nakula and Sahadeva the youngest of all and twin sons of king Pandu and his wife Madri, begotten by the twin Ashvini Kumaras. Sahadeva was the Vedic astrologer. > > > > Bhimasena was the second child of Pandu and Kunti and begotten by Vayu, the wind-god. > > > > Yudhisthira was the eldest son of Pandu and Kunti and begotten by Yama, the superintendent of death whose residence is in Pluto. > > > > Thanks to Krishna, the Pandava brothers won the battle of Kuruksetra and therefore, Yudhisthira became the king of Hastinapura. > > > > Here we can see the principles of supremacy, opulence, mercy, benevolence, justice, and devotion. > > > > When Mars is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Narasimha. > > > > Narasimha means the incarnation half nara (human), and half simha (lion). > > > > According to the Vedas Prahlada Maharaja, was a great devotee of the Lord, but due to his karma, reincarnated in the family of demons. His father was a great demon called Hiranyakasipu and hated God. Hiranyakasipu obtained from Brahma the power that he was not going to be killed by human or by beast, in the air or on earth, during the day or at night. > > > > Once, Hiranyakasipu asked his little son Prahlada, if God was everywhere. Prahlada said yes, God is everywhere. Hiranyakasipu said that he was going to destroy one of the pillars of his palace to show that if God was in the pillar, Hiranyakasipu was going to destroy God. When Hiranyakasipu started to demolish the pillar, Narasimha appeared out of the pillar, and grabbing Hiranyakasipu killed him. Therefore, Hiranyakasipu was killed not by human or by beast but by a mixture of both. He was killed at twilight, not during the day or night, and not on the air or on Earth, but on the lap of Narasimha. > > > > Here we can see the principles of justified violence, correction to atheistic concoctions, fearless frame of mind, reward to the faithful, strength, faith, and victory of good over bad. > > > > When Mercury is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Buddha. Many people know about Lord Buddha. There are many Buddha but the original one is the incarnation of Krishna appearing at a time when people were killing animals to eat them, under the Vedic sanction. According to the Vedas, humans are allowed to eat the flesh from animals when there is a danger of starving to death or when there is a need to balance the health. In ayurveda, or Vedic medicine, there are some prescriptions to eat the flesh from some animals in order to restore health. Therefore, people were distorting the Vedic prescriptions to satisfy their low propensities of satisfying their sense of the tongue. > > > > Vedic astrologers must be lacto vegetarians, otherwise they cannot develop their sense and understanding of piety and mercy. > > > > Mother Nature has given us an ample source of lacto vegetarian food, and therefore we can survive with a healthy diet of grains, vegetables, fruits and milk products. > > > > Lord Buddha incarnated to tell those people to deny the Vedas in regard to eat flesh, and to follow Him. To follow Buddha is the same as following God, although in a different degree of consciousness. > > > > Here we can see the principles of piety, mercy, kindness, consideration, intelligence, and discrimination (between good and bad). > > > > When Jupiter is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Vamanadeva. > > > > Vamanadeva appeared when Bali Maharaja, a king of the demons took possession of the universe after having defeated the demigods. > > > > Vamanadeva appeared as a Brahman dwarf to Bali. Because Bali had a high respect for the Vedic principles, he knew that brahmans (Vedic priests) have to be respected and protected by the king and people. Therefore, to satisfy Vamanadeva, Bali asked for any desire that he as a king of this universe could satisfy. > > > > Vamanadeva requested from Bali, enough land that he could touch with 3 of his steps. Bali laughed because as a dwarf Vamanadeva could not reach much land. But Bali agreed to that request. > > > > Then, Vamanadeva touched this Earthly plane with His first step, and becoming a giant, Vamanadeva touch the limits of this universe with His second step, and He asked Bali to where He should put His 3rd step, having already touched this plane and the whole universe. Bali Maharaja had been warned by his guru Sukracharya (Venus), no to entertain Vamanadeva because Sukra knew about Vamanadeva real identity. But Bali decided to disobey his own guru to follow the Vedic principles of respecting and rewarding a Brahman like Vamanadeva. > > > > When Bali saw that Vamanadeva had taken a hold of the whole universe, he could see that Vamanadeva was God, the Supreme, the Absolute. And therefore Bali surrendered to Vamanadeva and with a humble attitude, he requested Vamanadeva to place His third step on his head, indicating that Vamanadeva could take hold of Bali himself. > > > > Here we can see the principles of respect, charity, Vedic principles, amassment, expansion, surrender. > > > > When Venus is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Parasurama. > > > > Parasurama is the incarnation of Krishna appearing as a warrior when the Earth was overburden by nasty warriors. Those nasty warriors were exploiting, using and abusing their position and authority. Therefore, Parasurama appeared as a great warrior and killed those nasty warriors 21 times, to make sure that they were not going to come back and continue their evil intentions. This means that when killed, those warriors just reincarnated again and again with the same propensities to overburden the Earth, and therefore, Parasurama made sure that they were not going to be a danger any more to the Vedic balance in this universe. > > > > Here we can see the principles of balance, justice, karmic knowledge, restoration of good, chastisement. > > > > When Saturn is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Kurmadeva or the giant divine tortoise. > > > > Kurmadeva is related to the churning of the ocean as celebrated in stones in the great temples at Angkor. > > > > Once up on a time, the demigods and the asuras or demons joined efforts to churn the ocean in order to extract from it the elixir of immortality. However, for such a task they needed the cooperation of Vasuki, the celestial snake, Mount Meru, and Kurmadeva. Kurmadeva or the divine giant tortoise agreed to carry mount Meru on his back. Vasuki, the celestial snake agreed to turn his body around Mount Meru in order to gyrate it. > > > > Here we can see the principles of tolerance, endurance, patience. > > > > When Rahu is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Varaha or the divine giant wild boar. > > > > Once up on a time, the Earth planet fell from its orbit and landed on the mud of the ocean of this universe. > > > > To rescue the Earth lord Varaha appeared. In the form of a giant wild boar, He lifted the Earth with His tusks and put it back in its orbit. Demoniac people no knowing how to manage the natural resources on Earth, from time to time make the Earth change its motion or run off its orbit. > > We can see the example of how this present materialistic civilization is based on the main exploitation of petrol. Srila Prabhupada said once that in order to satisfy the present demand for fuel, scientists are extracting oil from Earth without thinking that such activity is going to produce an unbalance on Earth's motion and stability. He was told that scientists are leaving huge empty bags once the petrol is extracted, and that they are filling the empty space with seawater. Srila Prabhupada said that seawater does not have the same weight as petrol and it does not produce the same fumes necessary for the Earth's equilibrium. He said that mother nature, to serve as giant brakes to maintain Earth in a determined orbit, put those giant petrol bags there. Once those "brakes" are gone, the Earth will spin in a different motion and different orbit. No wonder we are starting to see drastic climatic changes all over. > > > > The greedy exploitation of petrol is attracting a heavy karma, which will soon show malefic reactions. > > > > We may pray for peace on this world but we should pray for humanity stopping the blind exploitation of our natural resources and the killing of animals to satisfy the tongue of materialistic people. > > > > Those main sinful activities, are enough to attract wars and wealth inequality in this world. When we want to stop a fire, we must stop the cause of the fire instead of allowing people to add fuel to the fire. > > > > As long as people continue in their mad career to satisfy their perverted senses, we are going to see wars and a lack of good managers. There is plenty of natural resources on this Earth to satisfy the natural demands of 20 or 30 billion humans. It is greed and mismanagement that is causing an unbalance on Earth. > > > > Here we can see the principles of rescue, resurrection, normalisation, helping. > > > > When Ketu is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Matsya or the giant divine fish. > > > > Once in the past, the Vedas were in danger of being lost by a huge deluge. Therefore, Matsya in the form of a giant fish appeared to save the Vedas. > > > > Here we can see the principles of salvation, protection, liberation. > > > > Vedic astrologers can draw more principles to those atmakarakas, I have only mentioned some guidelines. > > > > Best wishes > > Natabara das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 Respected Natabara Prabhu Ji, I pray to Lord Shri Krishana that He may shower on you with all the health and knowledge materially and spiritually. Your all articles and its explanations are so nectarian to which I enjoy the most. So, please accept my sincere thanks and continue narrating Jyotish vidya in relation ship with the Lord Hari, Shri Krishana. I am a new Jyotish student in the gj list. I have seen the devotees of Srila Prabhupad like yourself very enriched in Vedic culture. May Lord Shri Krishana bless you. Thank you again.... Hare Krishana...... Amar Puri. >"natabara" <natabara >gjlist >"GJList" <gjlist> >[GJ] aTMAKARAKA pLUS >Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:48:57 +0100 > >Bonjour Martine > > > >I am sorry for this delay in writing back but other commitments have >delayed some of my duties like answering emails. > > > >Mercy beaucoup for your nice question, which inspire me to answer in the >following way. > > > >Toi > ><< Apparemment le Mal débouche sur le Bien, mais je ne comprends pas bien >ce que veut dire Visti. Ce n'est pas le texte anglais qui me pose >problème mais la signification de l'idée qu'il veut exprimer. Peux-tu >l'expliquer ? Cela m'intéresse d'autant plus que Rahu est Atmakaraka >dans mon thème.>> > > > >moi > >That is one of the reasons why I love the French language, because it is >very philosophical, logical, analytical and inquisitive, like my rising >sign of Virgo. > > > >I will try to explain to your question on behalf of other students of >Jyotish. > > > >Parasara Muni is one of the 18 original fathers of Vedic astrology. He is >the father of Srila Vyasadeva whom compiled and composed the Vedas at the >beginning of this Kali Yuga. We are told that Vyasadeva dictated the Vedas >to Lord Ganesh, whom wrote them on behalf of humans to be born in this Kali >Yuga. > > > >Before Kali Yuga humans experienced better Yugas were memory, health, life >and happiness was more extensive and better than in Kali Yuga. Before Kali >Yuga there was not need of writing anything because our memory was more >retentive and therefore, knowledge was transmitted in an oral form rather >than in writing. > > > >Kali Yuga started on 18 February 3,102 BC and therefore Parasara was around >about some 5,000 years ago. > > > >Psychologists claim that humans in the West use one side of the brain, >while those born in the East use the other side of the brain. > > > >We can see a clear division in thought, Reason and Intuition, Active and >Passive, Electrical and Magnetically, Day and Night, Sun and Moon. > > > >About 50 years ago, Jyotish was mainly practiced in India where we find a >more intuitive brain different from our Roman linear thought as inherited >by Western cultures. > > > >The Indian frame of mind is rooted in the Vedas, which are more cyclic than >linear. We have been learning a lot about the gunas or modes of nature, >but we should learn as well about the 3 main paths in yoga. > > > >To understand Jyotish we should touch many different branches of knowledge, >and the paths of yoga is essential. > > > >One thing is to learn Jyotish and another is to teach it. Every author try >his/her best to explain according to his abilities, but he/she is limited >by his/her own gunas or modes of nature, culture, beliefs, etc > > > >One of the advantages, which I had in the beginning of my studies of >Jyotish, is that I did embrace the path of bhakti yoga and therefore I >could understand better the Indian (from India) thought. > > > >Therefore in the propagation of Jyotish we can see a division of Indian and >western thought. About 20 years ago, some Western people started to write >books on Jyotish according to how they understood and the understanding of >the western mentality. > > > >Still the demand to understand Jyotish requires the understanding of yoga. > > > >There are 3 main paths of yoga; karma, jnana and bhakti, or roughly: work, >knowledge and devotion. Or astrologically speaking, karma is the daring or >Leo qualities. Jnana is like the thinking or Geminian quality. And bhakti >is like the feeling or the Cancerian qualities. > > > >It is very difficult to find any of those paths in its pure form, because >those 3 paths are mixed with traits from the other 2 paths. > > > >Even those that claim to be on the pure path of bhakti yoga are likely to >have mixed traits of karma yoga or jnana yoga. And even in the pure path >of bhakti we find grades of pure bhakti. > > > >Some people say that all the paths lead to Rome, perhaps but once in Rome, >some people may meet with ordinary people, others with the major or leader >of Rome, and within beautiful Rome we find the Vatican, and some may meet >the Pope and those that are more lucky may meet with God. > > > >Here we can see a distinctive gradation in destination in Rome. Therefore, >although all the paths may lead to Rome, the destination may be different >according to our intentions, desires, karma and goals. > > > >Some people having a misunderstanding of bhakti are likely to miss the >essence of bhakti. It is good to understand bhakti. The essence of bhakti >is love, affection, devotion, surrender, and service. > > > >The 18 fathers of Jyotish were bhakti yogis. Lets see with the eyes of >bhakti that great book called Brihat Parasara Hora Sastra, compiled by >Parasara Muni. > > > >That great book starts with the worship of Ganesh the son of Uma, the >eternal consort of Lord Shiva. Because Ganesh is the "saint", "patron" >"lord" or guide to Vedic astrologers, we must give our respects to him. >That is bhakti. We should offer our love and devotion to our guru. > > > >Then Maitreya with an attitude of devotion asked Parasara about the secrets >of Jyotish. > >Then Parasara before answering prayed to Lord Brahma, the architect of this >universe, his eternal consort Sarasvati, the Goddess of learning and wisdom >(the Sophie of Christians), Surya, the Sun and leader of the planets. > > > >The Vedic astrologer R Santhanam translated from Sanskrit into English: > > > >"Only good will follow the teaching of this Vedic Science to > >the students who are peacefully disposed, who honour the > >preceptors (and elders) who speak only truth and are God > >fearing. Woeful forever, doubtlessly, will it be to impart > >knowledge of this science to an unwilling student, to a > >heterodox, and to a crafty person." > > > >Then Parasara elaborated about the 3 gunas and their representatives, and >about the origin of everything, God. > > > >In chapter 2 Santhanam translated thus: > > > >"3-4. The Unborn lord has many incarnations. He has > >incarnated as the 9 grahas (Nava Grahas) to bestow on the > >living beings the results due to their Karmas. He is > >Janardan. He assumed the auspicious form of grahas to > >destroy the demons (evil forces) and sustain the divine > >beings." > > > >Of course he is referring to Krishna, the Supreme, the unborn. Janardan is >one of his thousands of names. By grahas we understand centres of >energies, the planets, and by the 9 grahas we understand the 9 traditional >planets of Vedic astrology. > > > >We can understand here that the grahas are just vehicles, chunk of matter >in the universe, and God is the driver of them. Matter by itself is just >death, the living principle is necessary to make matter works. > > > >A body is alive as long as there is a jiva, a soul making it work. The >symptom of the soul is consciousness. Without consciousness, the bodies >are death matter. > > > >Then Santhanam translates: > > > >"5-7. From Surya the incarnation of Ram, from Chandra that of > >Krishna, from Mangal that of Narasimha, from Buddha that of > >Buddha, from Guru that of Vamana, from Shukra that of > >Parashurama, from Shani that of Kurma (Tortoise), from Rahu > >that of Varaha (pig), and from Ketu that of Meena (Fish) > >occurred. All other incarnations than these also are > >through the grahas. The beings with more Paramatmamsh are > >called divine beings." > > > >I have added an "a" at the end to many names as we know them in the West. > > > >We arrive here to your question. > > > >We can understand that out of love for the souls, Krishna (God) has taking >control of the planets to indicate to them their trends of destiny. > > > >Because you want to know about the Atmakaraka, or the natural indicator for >the soul in a Vedic horoscope, I will try here to explain the missions of >those divine incarnations. By reading about them we can understand the >main function of our Atmakaraka planet. > > > >You can read about those divine incarnations from the Srimad Bhagavatam. >Because I do not want to lose the continuity in my present thoughts, some >other devotees can refer to the relevant chapters. In the past 2 years I >have seen in the GJ list the postings from 30-40 devotees that I am sure >have read the Srimad Bhagavatam. > > > >Although I have the 27 books of the first 9 Cantos and the other 3 cantos >in email format, I do not want to deviate my thought now in searching. > > > >At present we live in a tri-dimensional creation, because we the soul >reincarnated in a human body, have 3 main stages of consciousness. The >first of those levels of awareness is in the sleep mode. The second level >is the dream state. The third level of awareness is the ordinary >awareness. > > > >The 4th state of awareness is when we connect to higher levels of >consciousness. > > > >This 4th stage is coming more evident as seen from the drastic changes >shown by all the planets in this system. This stage is free and we do not >need to pay materially to connect to it. The only payment required is pure >love and affection, devoid of mundane and selfish intentions. > > > >Many are likely to try to profit from the sell of the connection to a >higher stage, but only those in which horoscopes are indicated a good karma >will succeed and others are likely to be cheated. > > > >Beware of imitations, only the real thing is right and it is not coke. > > > >When the Sun is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Rama. > > > >According to the Ramayana of Valmiki, Lord Rama incarnated some 2 million >years ago. His mission was to shown the ideal life of a Vedic king and >having a single wife. > > > >Rama, and his close entourage were banned to live in a forest for 14 years. >His wife Sita was kidnapped then by the demon Ravana and taken to now Sri >Lanka. > > > >Rama did find where Sita was located and with the help of His devotee >Hanuman, Rama crossed to that island, killed Ravana in a fight and rescued >Sita. > > > >We can see here, the principle of authority, effulgence, honesty, >rightfulness, peacefulness, loyalty, justice and devotion. > > > >When the Moon is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Krishna. > >Of all the incarnations of God, Vedic scholars consider Krishna the >Supreme. Krishna appears once in a day of Brahma, or once every >8,640,000,000 earthly years. > > > >The last time that Krishna appeared on Earth was some 125 years before the >beginning of this Kali Yuga. > > > >In His incarnation as Krishna He showed some of His opulences. He is well >known as having driving the chariot of his cousin Arjuna during the battle >of Kuruksetra. Arjuna was a warrior and his duty was to fight for the >right cause, which was the attaining the kingdom of Hastinapura. In those >days, the king of Hastinapura was automatically the Emperor of the whole >Earth. > > > >Arjuna had a duty to take the kingdom of the Earth from his cousins the >Kurus, whom had taken the kingdom illegally and in a fraudulent way. > > > >Arjuna was one of the 5 Pandava brothers. Arjuna was the son of Pandu and >Kunti, begotten by Indra the king of the gods, whose residence is in >Uranus. > > > >The other brothers were Nakula and Sahadeva the youngest of all and twin >sons of king Pandu and his wife Madri, begotten by the twin Ashvini >Kumaras. Sahadeva was the Vedic astrologer. > > > >Bhimasena was the second child of Pandu and Kunti and begotten by Vayu, the >wind-god. > > > >Yudhisthira was the eldest son of Pandu and Kunti and begotten by Yama, the >superintendent of death whose residence is in Pluto. > > > >Thanks to Krishna, the Pandava brothers won the battle of Kuruksetra and >therefore, Yudhisthira became the king of Hastinapura. > > > >Here we can see the principles of supremacy, opulence, mercy, benevolence, >justice, and devotion. > > > >When Mars is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Narasimha. > > > >Narasimha means the incarnation half nara (human), and half simha (lion). > > > >According to the Vedas Prahlada Maharaja, was a great devotee of the Lord, >but due to his karma, reincarnated in the family of demons. His father was >a great demon called Hiranyakasipu and hated God. Hiranyakasipu obtained >from Brahma the power that he was not going to be killed by human or by >beast, in the air or on earth, during the day or at night. > > > >Once, Hiranyakasipu asked his little son Prahlada, if God was everywhere. >Prahlada said yes, God is everywhere. Hiranyakasipu said that he was going >to destroy one of the pillars of his palace to show that if God was in the >pillar, Hiranyakasipu was going to destroy God. When Hiranyakasipu started >to demolish the pillar, Narasimha appeared out of the pillar, and grabbing >Hiranyakasipu killed him. Therefore, Hiranyakasipu was killed not by human >or by beast but by a mixture of both. He was killed at twilight, not >during the day or night, and not on the air or on Earth, but on the lap of >Narasimha. > > > >Here we can see the principles of justified violence, correction to >atheistic concoctions, fearless frame of mind, reward to the faithful, >strength, faith, and victory of good over bad. > > > >When Mercury is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Buddha. >Many people know about Lord Buddha. There are many Buddha but the original >one is the incarnation of Krishna appearing at a time when people were >killing animals to eat them, under the Vedic sanction. According to the >Vedas, humans are allowed to eat the flesh from animals when there is a >danger of starving to death or when there is a need to balance the health. >In ayurveda, or Vedic medicine, there are some prescriptions to eat the >flesh from some animals in order to restore health. Therefore, people were >distorting the Vedic prescriptions to satisfy their low propensities of >satisfying their sense of the tongue. > > > >Vedic astrologers must be lacto vegetarians, otherwise they cannot develop >their sense and understanding of piety and mercy. > > > >Mother Nature has given us an ample source of lacto vegetarian food, and >therefore we can survive with a healthy diet of grains, vegetables, fruits >and milk products. > > > >Lord Buddha incarnated to tell those people to deny the Vedas in regard to >eat flesh, and to follow Him. To follow Buddha is the same as following >God, although in a different degree of consciousness. > > > >Here we can see the principles of piety, mercy, kindness, consideration, >intelligence, and discrimination (between good and bad). > > > >When Jupiter is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord >Vamanadeva. > > > >Vamanadeva appeared when Bali Maharaja, a king of the demons took >possession of the universe after having defeated the demigods. > > > >Vamanadeva appeared as a Brahman dwarf to Bali. Because Bali had a high >respect for the Vedic principles, he knew that brahmans (Vedic priests) >have to be respected and protected by the king and people. Therefore, to >satisfy Vamanadeva, Bali asked for any desire that he as a king of this >universe could satisfy. > > > >Vamanadeva requested from Bali, enough land that he could touch with 3 of >his steps. Bali laughed because as a dwarf Vamanadeva could not reach much >land. But Bali agreed to that request. > > > >Then, Vamanadeva touched this Earthly plane with His first step, and >becoming a giant, Vamanadeva touch the limits of this universe with His >second step, and He asked Bali to where He should put His 3rd step, having >already touched this plane and the whole universe. Bali Maharaja had been >warned by his guru Sukracharya (Venus), no to entertain Vamanadeva because >Sukra knew about Vamanadeva real identity. But Bali decided to disobey his >own guru to follow the Vedic principles of respecting and rewarding a >Brahman like Vamanadeva. > > > >When Bali saw that Vamanadeva had taken a hold of the whole universe, he >could see that Vamanadeva was God, the Supreme, the Absolute. And >therefore Bali surrendered to Vamanadeva and with a humble attitude, he >requested Vamanadeva to place His third step on his head, indicating that >Vamanadeva could take hold of Bali himself. > > > >Here we can see the principles of respect, charity, Vedic principles, >amassment, expansion, surrender. > > > >When Venus is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Parasurama. > > > >Parasurama is the incarnation of Krishna appearing as a warrior when the >Earth was overburden by nasty warriors. Those nasty warriors were >exploiting, using and abusing their position and authority. Therefore, >Parasurama appeared as a great warrior and killed those nasty warriors 21 >times, to make sure that they were not going to come back and continue >their evil intentions. This means that when killed, those warriors just >reincarnated again and again with the same propensities to overburden the >Earth, and therefore, Parasurama made sure that they were not going to be a >danger any more to the Vedic balance in this universe. > > > >Here we can see the principles of balance, justice, karmic knowledge, >restoration of good, chastisement. > > > >When Saturn is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Kurmadeva >or the giant divine tortoise. > > > >Kurmadeva is related to the churning of the ocean as celebrated in stones >in the great temples at Angkor. > > > >Once up on a time, the demigods and the asuras or demons joined efforts to >churn the ocean in order to extract from it the elixir of immortality. >However, for such a task they needed the cooperation of Vasuki, the >celestial snake, Mount Meru, and Kurmadeva. Kurmadeva or the divine giant >tortoise agreed to carry mount Meru on his back. Vasuki, the celestial >snake agreed to turn his body around Mount Meru in order to gyrate it. > > > >Here we can see the principles of tolerance, endurance, patience. > > > >When Rahu is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Varaha or >the divine giant wild boar. > > > >Once up on a time, the Earth planet fell from its orbit and landed on the >mud of the ocean of this universe. > > > >To rescue the Earth lord Varaha appeared. In the form of a giant wild >boar, He lifted the Earth with His tusks and put it back in its orbit. >Demoniac people no knowing how to manage the natural resources on Earth, >from time to time make the Earth change its motion or run off its orbit. > >We can see the example of how this present materialistic civilization is >based on the main exploitation of petrol. Srila Prabhupada said once that >in order to satisfy the present demand for fuel, scientists are extracting >oil from Earth without thinking that such activity is going to produce an >unbalance on Earth's motion and stability. He was told that scientists are >leaving huge empty bags once the petrol is extracted, and that they are >filling the empty space with seawater. Srila Prabhupada said that seawater >does not have the same weight as petrol and it does not produce the same >fumes necessary for the Earth's equilibrium. He said that mother nature, >to serve as giant brakes to maintain Earth in a determined orbit, put those >giant petrol bags there. Once those "brakes" are gone, the Earth will spin >in a different motion and different orbit. No wonder we are starting to >see drastic climatic changes all over. > > > >The greedy exploitation of petrol is attracting a heavy karma, which will >soon show malefic reactions. > > > >We may pray for peace on this world but we should pray for humanity >stopping the blind exploitation of our natural resources and the killing of >animals to satisfy the tongue of materialistic people. > > > >Those main sinful activities, are enough to attract wars and wealth >inequality in this world. When we want to stop a fire, we must stop the >cause of the fire instead of allowing people to add fuel to the fire. > > > >As long as people continue in their mad career to satisfy their perverted >senses, we are going to see wars and a lack of good managers. There is >plenty of natural resources on this Earth to satisfy the natural demands of >20 or 30 billion humans. It is greed and mismanagement that is causing an >unbalance on Earth. > > > >Here we can see the principles of rescue, resurrection, normalisation, >helping. > > > >When Ketu is the Atmakaraka, we can see the connection to Lord Matsya or >the giant divine fish. > > > >Once in the past, the Vedas were in danger of being lost by a huge deluge. >Therefore, Matsya in the form of a giant fish appeared to save the Vedas. > > > >Here we can see the principles of salvation, protection, liberation. > > > >Vedic astrologers can draw more principles to those atmakarakas, I have >only mentioned some guidelines. > > > >Best wishes > >Natabara das > _______________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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