Responding re Kelts, Kanya, Kumba, Denise...

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Hello Denise,

 

You mentioned many things. I shall be unkind and only respond briefly,

do excuse me.

 

I often speak of pure Druidic sense, when I say "Celt", and I really

should specify, so I shall try. It's not the agrarian mud, somewhere in

Europe, a life in one village, with no knowledge, only grueling work and

early death. That life that many lived, who were the ancient Celts.

 

I am often speaking rather of the loftiest platform possible, the zenith

of Celtic consciousness, when I simply say "Celt". Not the commoner of

the Celtic era.

 

As for connections with India, well, at this point archeologically,

history, as far as academia is concerned, they are not so there yet. As

for those of us not so constrained, we see it as obvious. It is logical

to think that way way back, things went on aware of yet we aren't.

 

One has to be somewhat realistic and see what is factually historically

documented, understand the nature of the slant which is always there,

and in this case most definitely from Rome etc.

 

My personal take is that Druidism existed in Ireland and England from

way way back, or elements of it. That was atlantian, or pre ancient, or

Vedic tantra of yore. People could fly, make things at will, all that,

say 15,000 years ago in Ireland and England.

 

As the "Celts" formed, from combinations that came together in Europe,

some from further East, bringing Indian elements, they met up ultimately

with the Druids. Nobody could resist following the Druids of that time,

just as any and all indigenous peoples follow great yogis when they meet

them. It's inevitable.

 

So the Celts and Druids gradually formed what became Celtic Europe, over

many thousands of years. It's all cross fertilization. But it was

separated from Rome, Greece, etc., by moutains etc. So for a very long

time, exchange was limited.

 

When the cultures began to meet each other, as in the case of the Gauls

(Celts from the area of France/Switzerland), with the Romans on the

other side of the Swiss/Italian alps, where they found that Iceman who

is 5,000 yrs old in recent decades, so when the Celts went down that way

raiding Etruscan villages under Roman rule, the Roman Centurians there

were like "What the hell is that" because what they saw was:

 

Totally white bodied men (never saw that before) who were painted

completely blue, then had other lines drawn in the blue, forming artwork

all over their bodies, they were naked, in chariots, had weapons,

arrows, spears, swords, had long hair in dreadlocks, wore gold

ornaments, blew horns like conchshells, sometimes carried tridents.

 

You see, the original Gaulic soldiers looked like a Rudra, a naked

fierce creature who was all blue.

 

That's very Vedic. There were like Saivaites. There are very old

drawings made of Celtic warriors as depicted by those who saw them

around the time of "The Gaulic Wars" by Caesar, around 100 BC, and they

drew them looking like naked warrior shaivaites, really. Amazing.

 

The presence of knotted artwork in India, the Swastika in both, the many

words in Gaelic which are Sanskrit compatible, the similarities in the

religion, are all compelling.

 

Caesar wrote that the Celts have "complete faith in reincarnation" and

therefore are "easily giving up their lives bravely in battle" and such

references. It is well known that:

 

 

THE WHITE PEOPLE BELIEVED IN REINCARNATION JUST OVER 2000 years ago, in

other words, up until Romanization, Latinization, and Christianization.

 

 

Now we carry on what that put on us. We are it's defenders and

spreaders, the best Roman converts, the New Rome. We call our ancestors

of pre BC times "Barbarians" along with Caesar and his soldiers. We call

our ancestors religion as "Witchcraft" and fear it, calling it evil. We

regard religions which have a host of lower gods beneath the one supreme

god as "pagan" and "idol worship" when in fact that's what our ancestors

had prior to the incursion.

 

This is written in order to arouse a different view of European attitude

about itself. It's Celtic revivalism. It's pretty meaningless

ultimately, but it brings up important issues.

 

Like the fact that pretty much the whole world used to agree on who the

Gods were, vegetarianism, at least at higher priestly or spiritual

circle levels everywhere, reincarnation as basic, the color blue for the

body in ritualistic or spiritual focuses in some important cultures

(Celt/Hindu), that the Brahmins/Druids/Priest used to be the highest

authorities in ancient cultures, and that the

warriors/kshatriyas/governments/administrators/leaders should work under

the direction of those who have undergone lengthy training in the areas

of religion, law based on religion, music based on religion, everything

based on religion, and also astrology.

 

 

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The Pundits of all ancient cultures were Astrologers!

 

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There are some elements to Celtic values, culture, and religion which in

my opinion doomed it ultimately.

 

It is, like ancient India, more of a flower that is very fragile due to

being based in a higher octave of balance. Things which are fine, are

also more fragile. They are beautiful due to their finery, but then

finery is easily disturbed or destroyed by grosser motion and mass,

which is unfortunately more prevelent everywhere.

 

So the Celtic culture, being very fine at it's higher levels, was doomed

in Kali Yuga.

 

The essence of Druidism, or Celtic Culture, is Tantra and Yantra. It is

Rakshasha Vedic Culture, like the old Lanka of Ravana. There is faith in

God, but also attachment so strong that the religion has taken on

elements of material manipulation to gain advantages of various material

types.

 

The fact that the Celts were overtaken by Rome is a sign of the

weakening of the Druids to the point of being ineffectual. By 2100 years

ago in other words, Druidism was just faith, and not reality, because if

indeed they had the kinds of powers their scriptures spoke of, then they

would have been able to destroy the Roman army by will.

 

As for writing: The Druids were clearly against it. They knew of it, and

told Romans they were against it for Gaul. Forbidden. The Roman leaders

had total respect for Druids. They thought they were very learned and

highly noble, virtuous, wise, magical, mystical and just generally very

impressive persons. They were the real enemy, Caesar said:

 

"Since England is the seat of Druidism, and from all over Gaul the young

boys are sent there to become Druids, returning 20 years later after

completing the completely oral training, so therefore, any serious

undertaking to overthrow Gaul, will necessarily have to include the

overthrow of England as well."

 

Here you see the roots of the Roman thrust North, and into England.

 

Now, later, 800 years later, fast forward, there are Christian monks in

Ireland. They are watching the last truly indiginous Celts kindof fade

away FOREVER FROM EUROPE.

 

So they convinced them to drop the rule of no writing, and the monks

wrote while the Celts talked, some in Latin, some in Latin letters of

Gaelic language, which is what Celts speak, Gaul-Ik.

 

Also, the first priests in Ireland were Druids. Patrick just ordained

the Druids directly. The holy places were converted, so Celtic "Pagan"

holy places in Ireland are now all Catholic Tirthas instead...LOL

 

OK, so, these early "Priests" in Ireland, being actually Druids and

their Fifes, went ahead and did coloring, you know, drawing, to pass the

time. Since they were art masters of Celtic art, part of Druidic

training, they used it, to decorate the Gospel, the newly approved

scripture of the occupying spiritual leaders.

 

Hence you get the gospels of the Kells, Lindes... whatever, etc.

 

Celtic Totem Poles, yes, same thing, were converted to Celtic Crosses by

hacking on them...

 

As for ritualistic human sacrifices...

 

I hear from the scholars that evidence is found. Caesar writes of it

with great disdain and makes it sound like the Druids are blood savages,

like how we see the human sacrifices of the ancient South American

cultures who did that... we see it as horrible... and we think it's

primitive.

 

That is just alot of judgement. We don't REALLY know everything about

this matter.

 

To assume that it is as ugly as we think it is, is an assumption. At

least we know that. I give that assumption alot of scrutiny, knowing how

things can be made different by subtle spiritual realities or things

we're not aware of.

 

I myself, think of myself as "Modern Celtic Blood". And I think Celts

have a right to evolve as all cultures do. I think human sacrifice, the

ugly type we assume of everyone, is not something I condone. I

personally am not into meat eating either, and many Celt revivalists are

into meat eating as a RULE, like the local Celt store here in town even

sells an ANTI vegetarianism bumper sticker, which in Eugene, is VERY

odd, as vegetarianism here is COMMON.

 

I think the true Druid is vegetarian, and therefore so is the true Celt,

and personally, I think the true thinking human always is if possible,

just to avoid the ugliness of killing. Again, if possible. If not,

keeping it to the most ignorant lowest level possible is best, ie, fish

before animals, lower animals before higher animals. Cows, dears,

horses, monkees, tigers, bears, dolphins, sharks, whales, eagles, etc.,

these larger and highest creatures should never be killed deliberately

for any reason other than self defense, as you would with any human,

there should be respect. Any spiritually aware being will be able to

feel better about live and let live, than hunting.

 

Those who keep brutality as a part of their ethic in life, which some

Celts did, are always the cause of war, the cause of other bad things.

Those who walk in harmony and peace are always the cause of happiness

for all creatures. The Druids always said "Merry shall ye meet, and

merry shall ye part". Well, killing while meeting isn't merry at all.

 

They needed to hunt, we do not, today, quite often.

 

So....

 

Since the Celts had no written language, and all of them were illiterate

therefore, and since all of them believed completely in things unseen

much more so than romans, and since all of them were so very adherent to

the druids, it set up a situation which prevented knowing much about the

Celts at all. The information is scanty. We actually don't know for sure

the language they spoke exactly even. It's amazing how little is left of

the actual Celtic era. It literally was melted away, in that the

building rotted, being all organic, the gold was melted into other

things by following periods of peoples, Christianity and Rome didn't

even look back in their haste to take over all of Europe, and within

just a few generations, Celt-dom was just an embarrassing historical

fact, so it's been removed from books since.

 

The misconceptions and hatred for it are rampant. Not everyone in India

has Leprosy and lies on beds of nails, but that's kindof what kids in

America think.

 

India is never covered in the news, but you do hear like "It's really

hot in India today- 130 degrees"

 

But they don't tell you when it's cold, mild, or nice.

 

So this is like the Celts- they saw some heads, so the ALL cut off heads

ALL THE TIME. That kind of thing.

 

 

Re the precision in my work:

 

 

I don't think it's Virgo per se. I have nothing in Virgo at all.

 

I do have a very powerful Jupiter, which gives some similar qualities

like great ability to understand things.

 

I'm actually a bit sloppy, in code, in writing, spelling, dressing, and

so on. I'm not Virgoan, and people with prominent Virgo, usually they

are I are attracted to each other, but we don't really live in the same

room very well.

 

I think my brain power comes from a combination of Venus in first,

Jupiters Massive strength, it's placement in Gemini Navamsa with Ketu,

Moon with Ketu kindof in Rase, Satabish 2nd pada for moon is special for

knowledge, and 5th lord tightly conj merc and in same navamsa, and

that's Aqu and the 9th.

 

My real talent is not this kind of stuff. Hope to get out of it. My real

talent is faith in God, and flowing things, like art and music.

Philosophy. Writing code is an ugly necessity in my life.

 

 

 

By the way, many standard believed things about Celts are fabrications,

including many STANDARD believed things... like the Straw Man Fires, and

the Bheltaine Orgys. It's very similar to calling Kol Gat Calcutta, and

calling all of India "Hindu".

 

 

The Celts deepest treasures were complex. I basically figure that,

knowing white people, it had it's limitations. I think so. I think India

has a superior development. I think the wise thing for modern Celts to

do is seak our Brahminism as an anchor point to go from. It's the

closest thing to what a Druid would have taught you, with it's Arcana

being so similar to a typical Wiccan sacrifice preparation and so on.

 

 

Re female infanticide:

 

 

One MUST when thinking on such things, think back and picture exactly as

it was then for those people. Remember to think only what they could

know to be true, which was mostly what we today call as "myth".

 

It will then make much more sense. This spiritual tragedy happens in

many old societies, probably mostly for practical reasons. You cannot

approach it with a modern feministic, world of stores and telephones,

education, literacy, etc.

 

We're talking people who literally lived in an entirely different

reality than you and I do today.

 

Old Celts loved their children as much or more than we do. Why not?

 

When a mother was pregnant, baby born, snow everywhere, it's hibernation

time, no food, momma dry, whatever... Maybe it's prescribed by the

local Druid to sacrifice the baby which cannot be fed just now, or is

dieing due to the cold... what do we know.

 

So they do it. But do you think the mother and father are smiling? No.

They're crying. It's inevitable. Life used to be so much harder.

 

There is always too hasty a rush to run to judgement when dealing with

people's we don't understand, times we haven't lived in, and so on.

Usually I find, people everywhere are always good, but often the

miscommunication and clash or realities, causes apparent bad in people,

but they are inherently good, including the Celts, who were very good,

definitely.

 

Because of these dark rumors spread by Rome to make their killing and

conquering campaign seem OK back home (they had spin to take care of

also- for example, Hannibal thought of Rome's work on the Celts as

genocidal oppression, and fought Rome to stop it, or so he said)

 

So, they talked of all this evil. And now hollywood has highlanders

always cutting off each others heads. Folly.

 

The most of the Celts were peaceful agrarians who believed and sacrified

to god and gods and hoped for moksha very much like hindus. They also

thought that the eternal spiritual world, like the Goloka Hindu

conception found in Bhagavat scriptures in India, is where the denizens

are young, enjoying, playful, etc. This is Celtic. They hoped to go

there, they believed in reincarnation meanwhile. Sound familiar?

 

Let us talk of that. Let us talk of how they tried to believe completely

in the concept of "Spirit Manifest in Matter". They believed fully in

"Magic". This is a valid religious expression, in that, you could say in

Hindu terms, they were pure tantriks, and into yantra too. They believed

very much that patterns carried meaning. That basic drawings could act

as "KavachasArmor". This is also a very Hindu conception, which is

why certain symbols are placed about.. to bless a place with pure energy

which emanates- while bad runs when it sees- the Sudarshan Chakra on top

of the Gopurum... Same in Celt Dom...

 

The Celtic person held themselves highly accountable to themselves.

That's what's beautiful. This is still found in the West. Notice that

personal honor is very prevelent in modern Ireland, and America. You can

offend a person. That's Celtic. The dueling fellows is Celtic- to match

off and fight, or boast and make threats, is Celtic. They liked to live

as if their bodies were their spirits, both combined in one... this is

an acceptable Vedic concept in a way... because the body is based upon

the soul at present, that is true. The Celts saw life that way, and

also, disregarded that predeterminism had total strength, and instead

believed that in faith and right ritual and sacrifice, a person could

change nature or the future. This was a big part of the culture.

 

I am not a believer in some of these principles, but I'm still fine

being blooded by Celt. I prefer the midieval Vaisnava developments for

religios conceptions still myself.

 

The well known author on Celtdom named Markhale says, and I agree, that

Druidism requires Celt-dom, and Celt-dom is wrapped around Druidism. The

two do not ever exist alone, they alone exist together.

 

Celt was an extreme society, which relied on being isolated. The

infusion of foreign ideas destroyed it's balance. It was an ancient

thing, not meant to last in Kali Yuga.

 

Stonehenge, was built by word. It used to be very beautiful, a circular

temple alingned with the heavens. Now the outside has fade til only some

skeletal inner support rocks remain low... It's just one remainder of a

beatiful era that we can no longer see, when there really was magic, and

truly powerful yogi like beings.

 

The Celtic knots are meant to represent the intertwining of all things,

reincarnation, how one thing folds and becomes itself again anew, one

animals tail, the nose of the next, whatever. The artwork at it's

highest looks something like the complexity of dense shrubs or roots...

to represent nature, which is both orderly, and disorderly.

 

There are sections in the Book of Kells which shows this sophisticated,

highly complex, knotwork at it's best. It is representing the complexity

of nature, yet, showing, that behind it, there is pattern and

interconnectedness.

 

This is the conclusion of Aquarian sciences, the pure sciences. Things

that are fixed, live unseen only in Vata, in the mental level, like

physics, math, religion, astrology. You cannot see these things, because

they are thoughts, not artifacts of matter. They are ruled by Aquarius.

 

Celts lived in a heady world of faith. It was disturbed and destroyed by

contact with others. It's interesting that the same sign rules alchohol,

dear to the oppressed Celt.

 

It's also a proven fact that Celts still today digest fats differently

than non celt whites. This is a fact. There is a genetic difference. And

this leads to lower Prostoglandin levels, which means you become

slightly agitated and irritable. This is one reason for the terms

"Fighting Irish" and the image that Scotts are also "Fighters". Both are

the two remaining outposts of Celtic blood and culture. So, special

dietary concerns are there to balance this, so that their bodies get the

prostoglandin (internal aspiran so to speak)that they need.

 

I see Celts as highly Vatta in general though they are thought of as an

Earth based culture. That is, yes, the religion was very conscious of

the earth, completely, but the fact that they were so "conscious" is a

vatta thing... also, they were so conscious of fine detail showing

deadly reincarnational elements- constant stressful zoomorphic

depictions, as if all life is constant suffering and reincarnation,

which for the ancient celts, it pretty much WAS...

 

So it's an air based thing, very fine, very aware, high ideals too, and

Druids, they were very Scorpionic, completely scorpionic outwardly, yet,

the Wiccan literature is full of soft beautiful moods and love of

divinity in all things, so again, we should be careful to rush to

judgements.

 

I like to say:

 

And the druids with their skulls

in their altars and their halls

were just remembering death

to cherish lifes every breath

 

It's really true. Die to live, it has been said by many philosophers,

and many of us know it's true. Only in dieing, are we resurected into

the life. Jesus said it, my Guru said it. I say it. Everybody knows it.

 

The same concept is: Suffering is a great teacher. This is the same concept.

 

Because...

 

They both lead to full detachment.

 

So Celtic altar play was often very tantric and scorpionic, which shows

that this was a people who needed drama to awaken their spirituality,

and they preffered bloody drama, as they still do today, with consant

blood on TV, and everybody watches, and then says it "so bad".

 

So Celtism is still going on, all around us, in America, in many ways.

 

Notice how the heroes take heavy blows and bounce back anyway?

 

That's our innate belief in reincarnation!!!!!!!

 

 

 

Gotta do something else. See ya.

 

 

I find Celt studies another great way to segway onto Vedic topics,

spiritual topics, astrology, karma, etc., and in finding this, I have

found more of my unique circumstances thus purpose. yay yay

 

 

it's all good

 

 

 

that's a very celtic compatible quote, but fight anyway, which makes it

a very Gita compatible kindof karma yoga understanding....

 

 

 

 

Funny, 2200 years ago, the white people were thought of as "jungle

bunnies" and "aborigines" and "had to be tamed and civilized". And so it

happened. Now we're "tamed and civilized" apparently.

 

 

 

No, we can go back now somewhat and take what was good, and combine it

with all good, and just keep gathering "good" from all times, places and

directions. Then reproduce it like Japanese, and put it everywhere, then

it will be "good all over", which is what Satya Yuga is all about.

 

 

 

 

Attached is "celt_desktop.jpg" which is a

 

1024 by 768

Standard 17 inch monitor

desktop background art

by das goravani

 

it shows a celtic neck tork I own, that's real, that outer golden hoop,

and inside that is a fancy celtic letter O that I've dolled up in

various ways using photoshop. I call this piece "God's Doorbell". I

take my art seriously. So this is not a joke for me. There's alot of

skill and time in this piece.

 

The gems, were shot from very real ones, which were very clear, but I

had to change things, so they look otherwise maybe.

 

Hope you like it. Install it as your desktop if you want. It really is

entirely real celtic stuff too, like every celtic man wore on those neck

torks, I'm wearing mine these days, and theartwork inside is La Tene

style Celt.

 

 

 

 

peace

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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