Guest guest Posted May 31, 2002 Report Share Posted May 31, 2002 Namaste Cynthia + list I was looking at some 'old' emails and came across your mentioning use of 'relocation' charts. Can I possibly request you to show me an example of your suggested 'relocation' chart technique re:use of House cusps? Certainly intrigued about the 'House Cusps'. Please feel free in using my details: Ram 8th Oct '56 8:33pm Nairobi Kenya (36E49 1S17) Asc: 26:10 Aries Currently residing in Hounslow England (0W22 51N29) - moved in Sept'64 or anyother you care to use. Many thanks in anticipation ....... Jai Sita Ram Ram This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2002 Report Share Posted May 31, 2002 Dear Ram The 1st step is to determine which are the best planets for your chart. >From what I see, Your lagna is 29 Aries 51 minutes, if that is indeed correct, then your best planet, Mercury in own sign is not a friend to your chart. If by chance you find that your birth time is, off then Mercury might be the best planet in your chart. So, before we go any farther, I must ask if you have rectified this birth time. If it were off by only 1-2 minutes, you might have Taurus lagna and the answer would be quite different. cynthia -- Original Message ----- Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal <gjlist> Cc: 'cynthia novak' <c.a.novak Friday, May 31, 2002 5:30 AM [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > Namaste Cynthia + list > > I was looking at some 'old' emails and came across your mentioning use of > 'relocation' charts. > > Can I possibly request you to show me an example of your suggested > 'relocation' chart technique re:use of House cusps? > Certainly intrigued about the 'House Cusps'. > > Please feel free in using my details: > Ram 8th Oct '56 8:33pm Nairobi Kenya (36E49 1S17) Asc: 26:10 Aries > Currently residing in Hounslow England (0W22 51N29) - moved in Sept'64 > > or anyother you care to use. > > Many thanks in anticipation ....... > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > > > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, > copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify > the sender immediately. > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent > or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2002 Report Share Posted May 31, 2002 Namaste Cynthia thank you for looking at my query but per my calculations I make the Asc as 26Ari10 - can you re-check your calculations please? I have taken '-3.00' from GMT for my calculations using Lahiri. Perhaps difference due to KP Ayanamsa? For your info yes I have rectified my TOB from 8:30pm (per mother). Best wishes ....... Ram > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > Friday, May 31, 2002 4:09 PM > gjlist > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > Dear Ram > > The 1st step is to determine which are the best planets for your chart. > From what I see, Your lagna is 29 Aries 51 minutes, if that is indeed > correct, then your best planet, Mercury in own sign is not a friend to > your > chart. If by chance you find that your birth time is, off then Mercury > might be the best planet in your chart. > > So, before we go any farther, I must ask if you have rectified this birth > time. If it were off by only 1-2 minutes, you might have Taurus lagna and > the answer would be quite different. > > cynthia > > > > > > -- Original Message ----- > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > <gjlist> > Cc: 'cynthia novak' <c.a.novak > Friday, May 31, 2002 5:30 AM > [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > Namaste Cynthia + list > > > > I was looking at some 'old' emails and came across your mentioning use > of > > 'relocation' charts. > > > > Can I possibly request you to show me an example of your suggested > > 'relocation' chart technique re:use of House cusps? > > Certainly intrigued about the 'House Cusps'. > > > > Please feel free in using my details: > > Ram 8th Oct '56 8:33pm Nairobi Kenya (36E49 1S17) Asc: 26:10 Aries > > Currently residing in Hounslow England (0W22 51N29) - moved in Sept'64 > > > > or anyother you care to use. > > > > Many thanks in anticipation ....... > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain > personal > > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. > > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do > not use, > > copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it > and > notify > > the sender immediately. > > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent > > or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2002 Report Share Posted May 31, 2002 I show -2:45 cynthia - Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal <gjlist> Friday, May 31, 2002 10:25 AM RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > Namaste Cynthia > > thank you for looking at my query but per my calculations I make the Asc as > 26Ari10 - can you re-check your calculations please? I have taken '-3.00' > from GMT for my calculations using Lahiri. Perhaps difference due to KP > Ayanamsa? > > For your info yes I have rectified my TOB from 8:30pm (per mother). > > Best wishes ....... > > Ram > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > Friday, May 31, 2002 4:09 PM > > gjlist > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > Dear Ram > > > > The 1st step is to determine which are the best planets for your chart. > > From what I see, Your lagna is 29 Aries 51 minutes, if that is indeed > > correct, then your best planet, Mercury in own sign is not a friend to > > your > > chart. If by chance you find that your birth time is, off then Mercury > > might be the best planet in your chart. > > > > So, before we go any farther, I must ask if you have rectified this birth > > time. If it were off by only 1-2 minutes, you might have Taurus lagna and > > the answer would be quite different. > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Original Message ----- > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > <gjlist> > > Cc: 'cynthia novak' <c.a.novak > > Friday, May 31, 2002 5:30 AM > > [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia + list > > > > > > I was looking at some 'old' emails and came across your mentioning use > > of > > > 'relocation' charts. > > > > > > Can I possibly request you to show me an example of your suggested > > > 'relocation' chart technique re:use of House cusps? > > > Certainly intrigued about the 'House Cusps'. > > > > > > Please feel free in using my details: > > > Ram 8th Oct '56 8:33pm Nairobi Kenya (36E49 1S17) Asc: 26:10 Aries > > > Currently residing in Hounslow England (0W22 51N29) - moved in Sept'64 > > > > > > or anyother you care to use. > > > > > > Many thanks in anticipation ....... > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain > > personal > > > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. > > > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do > > not use, > > > copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it > > and > > notify > > > the sender immediately. > > > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent > > > or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, > copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify > the sender immediately. > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent > or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Namaste Cynthia can I request you to use -3.00 re:Time zone instead even though you have your reservations? Many thanks ..... Jai Sita Ram Ram > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > Friday, May 31, 2002 9:28 PM > gjlist > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > I show -2:45 > > > cynthia > > > > - > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > <gjlist> > Friday, May 31, 2002 10:25 AM > RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > Namaste Cynthia > > > > thank you for looking at my query but per my calculations I make the Asc > as > > 26Ari10 - can you re-check your calculations please? I have taken > '-3.00' > > from GMT for my calculations using Lahiri. Perhaps difference due to KP > > Ayanamsa? > > > > For your info yes I have rectified my TOB from 8:30pm (per mother). > > > > Best wishes ....... > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 4:09 PM > > > gjlist > > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > Dear Ram > > > > > > The 1st step is to determine which are the best planets for your > chart. > > > From what I see, Your lagna is 29 Aries 51 minutes, if that is indeed > > > correct, then your best planet, Mercury in own sign is not a friend to > > > your > > > chart. If by chance you find that your birth time is, off then > Mercury > > > might be the best planet in your chart. > > > > > > So, before we go any farther, I must ask if you have rectified this > birth > > > time. If it were off by only 1-2 minutes, you might have Taurus lagna > and > > > the answer would be quite different. > > > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Original Message ----- > > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > > <gjlist> > > > Cc: 'cynthia novak' <c.a.novak > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 5:30 AM > > > [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia + list > > > > > > > > I was looking at some 'old' emails and came across your mentioning > use > > > of > > > > 'relocation' charts. > > > > > > > > Can I possibly request you to show me an example of your suggested > > > > 'relocation' chart technique re:use of House cusps? > > > > Certainly intrigued about the 'House Cusps'. > > > > > > > > Please feel free in using my details: > > > > Ram 8th Oct '56 8:33pm Nairobi Kenya (36E49 1S17) Asc: 26:10 Aries > > > > Currently residing in Hounslow England (0W22 51N29) - moved in > Sept'64 > > > > > > > > or anyother you care to use. > > > > > > > > Many thanks in anticipation ....... > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain > > > personal > > > > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. > > > > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, > do > > > not use, > > > > copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on > it > > > and > > > notify > > > > the sender immediately. > > > > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent > > > > or received. Further communication will signify your consent to > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain > personal > > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. > > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do > not use, > > copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it > and > notify > > the sender immediately. > > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent > > or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Sure Why do you feel that this one is accurate? I'm only asking because I have the Astro Computing Services world atlas, and it is usually the one considered the best. If there is a problem with the time zone information, I'd like to know. Using the Aries Lagna, the strongest planet in your chart, Mercury in Virgo is not a great friend to the chart. It is still very strong for mental analysis and work, but is much more stressful than if you were born just two minutes later and in the time zone I show. There, you would be a Taurus lagna and Mercury would rule 2nd and 5th houses and would be the absolute best planetary line to relocate for success. I'm always a little uneasy when the difference is so little in terms of time and so great in terms of outcome. Anyway, the Mid heaven is not usually calculate in the Vedic program I have. In the case of your chart with 26 AT 10 as the lagna and 7th house angel, the Mid Heaven and Nadir (top and bottom of the chart as determined by the tilt of the Earth) are 21 Capricorn 40 minutes midheaven or career point and 21 Cancer 40 minutes nadir or point of home. With Aries lagna, the great friends are naturally Mars, Sun, Moon and Jupiter. In your chart, we would recalculate the chart to another location. TO do so, simply use a computer program and enter in the latitude and longitude of the new location and keep the time zone of the birth location, in this case you are using -3: Now, the closer you get a powerful and beneficial planet to the angels listed above, the more powerful that planet becomes. Because of the placements in your chart, I would be tempted to use that Mercury because it is so strong and "may" be a friend to your chart if the time is off. You might travel to a place that has Mercury strong (within 1 degree of latitude) and see how you respond to it. In the U.S. you would have the best relocation placements from Texas west to California. In the UK, the Sun line is the strongest for your chart. It is most exact in the eastern part of the UK.. Mercury is strong on the eastern side of Ireland. It all boils down to placing a planet that is very strong and beneficial for you on one of the angels of the chart. In my case, I was compelled to move without any real conscious decision to a place where 4 planetary lines are strong. I am Capricorn lagna and I live almost exactly on my Saturn line. Saturn is by birth in my 1-st house, but only by moving to the west did I get the results of Saturn as promised in my chart. This move put Saturn tightly on the midheaven, rather than simply out in the middle of the house. It also relocated my moon tightly on the lagna rather than behind it, and it brought in Uranus and Jupiter. This has been a busy place for me, but my years in Ohio were very difficult with little work and barely sustaining myself. I hope this helps. cynthia - Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal <gjlist> Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:20 AM RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > Namaste Cynthia > > can I request you to use -3.00 re:Time zone instead even though you have > your reservations? > > Many thanks ..... > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > Friday, May 31, 2002 9:28 PM > > gjlist > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > I show -2:45 > > > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > - > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > <gjlist> > > Friday, May 31, 2002 10:25 AM > > RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia > > > > > > thank you for looking at my query but per my calculations I make the Asc > > as > > > 26Ari10 - can you re-check your calculations please? I have taken > > '-3.00' > > > from GMT for my calculations using Lahiri. Perhaps difference due to KP > > > Ayanamsa? > > > > > > For your info yes I have rectified my TOB from 8:30pm (per mother). > > > > > > Best wishes ....... > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 4:09 PM > > > > gjlist > > > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ram > > > > > > > > The 1st step is to determine which are the best planets for your > > chart. > > > > From what I see, Your lagna is 29 Aries 51 minutes, if that is indeed > > > > correct, then your best planet, Mercury in own sign is not a friend to > > > > your > > > > chart. If by chance you find that your birth time is, off then > > Mercury > > > > might be the best planet in your chart. > > > > > > > > So, before we go any farther, I must ask if you have rectified this > > birth > > > > time. If it were off by only 1-2 minutes, you might have Taurus lagna > > and > > > > the answer would be quite different. > > > > > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Original Message ----- > > > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > > > <gjlist> > > > > Cc: 'cynthia novak' <c.a.novak > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 5:30 AM > > > > [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia + list > > > > > > > > > > I was looking at some 'old' emails and came across your mentioning > > use > > > > of > > > > > 'relocation' charts. > > > > > > > > > > Can I possibly request you to show me an example of your suggested > > > > > 'relocation' chart technique re:use of House cusps? > > > > > Certainly intrigued about the 'House Cusps'. > > > > > > > > > > Please feel free in using my details: > > > > > Ram 8th Oct '56 8:33pm Nairobi Kenya (36E49 1S17) Asc: 26:10 Aries > > > > > Currently residing in Hounslow England (0W22 51N29) - moved in > > Sept'64 > > > > > > > > > > or anyother you care to use. > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in anticipation ....... > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain > > > > personal > > > > > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. > > > > > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, > > do > > > > not use, > > > > > copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on > > it > > > > and > > > > notify > > > > > the sender immediately. > > > > > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent > > > > > or received. Further communication will signify your consent to > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain > > personal > > > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. > > > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do > > not use, > > > copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it > > and > > notify > > > the sender immediately. > > > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent > > > or received. 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Guest guest Posted June 6, 2002 Report Share Posted June 6, 2002 Namaste Cynthia Re:TZ= -3 it is really a mixture of old programs using that value for Kenya along with my being better able to time certain events in my life per Dasha/Bhukies running. To be honest I have always accepted TZ= -3 for Kenya and the very first time I came across TZ= -2:45 for Kenya was with Andrew Foss's program (last year at the Bava convention) - I promise I will take a closer look at it though may have to 're-modify' my rectification to fit around 26Ari10? I promise it isn't due to my desiring Jupiter to aspect my Asc to the degree!! Re:calculation would I be right in assuming that one uses the Same TOB + TZ But use 'New' Location details for relocation purposes? Checking for 'desired' Graha to be located at an Kendra from Original Birth Chart - I assume 10th followed by Asc followed by 7th followed by 4th? Noticed you haven't mentioned the use of 'Trines' aspects to either Asc or Mid-heaven - is this deliberate? Also would you mind 'sharing' your birth info along with Ohio and present details just to 'better' grasp your last paragraph on your own personal experiences - either on/off the list? Many thanks Cynthia for the 'insight' and hoping you will confirm/answer some of my above queries as well. Best wishes ........ Jai Sita Ram Ram > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:23 PM > gjlist > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > Sure > > Why do you feel that this one is accurate? I'm only asking because I have > the Astro Computing Services world atlas, and it is usually the one > considered the best. If there is a problem with the time zone > information, > I'd like to know. > > Using the Aries Lagna, the strongest planet in your chart, Mercury in > Virgo > is not a great friend to the chart. It is still very strong for mental > analysis and work, but is much more stressful than if you were born just > two > minutes later and in the time zone I show. There, you would be a Taurus > lagna and Mercury would rule 2nd and 5th houses and would be the absolute > best planetary line to relocate for success. I'm always a little uneasy > when the difference is so little in terms of time and so great in terms of > outcome. > > Anyway, the Mid heaven is not usually calculate in the Vedic program I > have. > In the case of your chart with 26 AT 10 as the lagna and 7th house angel, > the Mid Heaven and Nadir (top and bottom of the chart as determined by the > tilt of the Earth) are 21 Capricorn 40 minutes midheaven or career point > and > 21 Cancer 40 minutes nadir or point of home. > > With Aries lagna, the great friends are naturally Mars, Sun, Moon and > Jupiter. In your chart, we would recalculate the chart to another > location. > TO do so, simply use a computer program and enter in the latitude and > longitude of the new location and keep the time zone of the birth > location, > in this case you are using -3: > > Now, the closer you get a powerful and beneficial planet to the angels > listed above, the more powerful that planet becomes. Because of the > placements in your chart, I would be tempted to use that Mercury because > it > is so strong and "may" be a friend to your chart if the time is off. You > might travel to a place that has Mercury strong (within 1 degree of > latitude) and see how you respond to it. In the U.S. you would have the > best relocation placements from Texas west to California. In the UK, the > Sun line is the strongest for your chart. It is most exact in the eastern > part of the UK.. Mercury is strong on the eastern side of Ireland. > > It all boils down to placing a planet that is very strong and beneficial > for > you on one of the angels of the chart. > > In my case, I was compelled to move without any real conscious decision to > a > place where 4 planetary lines are strong. I am Capricorn lagna and I live > almost exactly on my Saturn line. Saturn is by birth in my 1-st house, > but > only by moving to the west did I get the results of Saturn as promised in > my > chart. This move put Saturn tightly on the midheaven, rather than simply > out in the middle of the house. It also relocated my moon tightly on the > lagna rather than behind it, and it brought in Uranus and Jupiter. This > has > been a busy place for me, but my years in Ohio were very difficult with > little work and barely sustaining myself. > > I hope this helps. > > cynthia > > > - > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > <gjlist> > Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:20 AM > RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > Namaste Cynthia > > > > can I request you to use -3.00 re:Time zone instead even though you have > > your reservations? > > > > Many thanks ..... > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 9:28 PM > > > gjlist > > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > I show -2:45 > > > > > > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > > <gjlist> > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 10:25 AM > > > RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia > > > > > > > > thank you for looking at my query but per my calculations I make the > Asc > > > as > > > > 26Ari10 - can you re-check your calculations please? I have taken > > > '-3.00' > > > > from GMT for my calculations using Lahiri. Perhaps difference due to > KP > > > > Ayanamsa? > > > > > > > > For your info yes I have rectified my TOB from 8:30pm (per mother). > > > > > > > > Best wishes ....... > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 4:09 PM > > > > > gjlist > > > > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ram > > > > > > > > > > The 1st step is to determine which are the best planets for your > > > chart. > > > > > From what I see, Your lagna is 29 Aries 51 minutes, if that is > indeed > > > > > correct, then your best planet, Mercury in own sign is not a > friend > to > > > > > your > > > > > chart. If by chance you find that your birth time is, off then > > > Mercury > > > > > might be the best planet in your chart. > > > > > > > > > > So, before we go any farther, I must ask if you have rectified > this > > > birth > > > > > time. If it were off by only 1-2 minutes, you might have Taurus > lagna > > > and > > > > > the answer would be quite different. > > > > > > > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Original Message ----- > > > > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > > > > <gjlist> > > > > > Cc: 'cynthia novak' <c.a.novak > > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 5:30 AM > > > > > [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia + list > > > > > > > > > > > > I was looking at some 'old' emails and came across your > mentioning > > > use > > > > > of > > > > > > 'relocation' charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I possibly request you to show me an example of your > suggested > > > > > > 'relocation' chart technique re:use of House cusps? > > > > > > Certainly intrigued about the 'House Cusps'. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please feel free in using my details: > > > > > > Ram 8th Oct '56 8:33pm Nairobi Kenya (36E49 1S17) Asc: 26:10 > Aries > > > > > > Currently residing in Hounslow England (0W22 51N29) - moved in > > > Sept'64 > > > > > > > > > > > > or anyother you care to use. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in anticipation ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may > contain > > > > > personal > > > > > > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically > stated. > > > > > > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your > system, > > > do > > > > > not use, > > > > > > copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance > on > > > it > > > > > and > > > > > notify > > > > > > the sender immediately. > > > > > > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent > > > > > > or received. 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Guest guest Posted June 6, 2002 Report Share Posted June 6, 2002 > Namaste Cynthia > > Re:TZ= -3 it is really a mixture of old programs using that value for Kenya > along with my being better able to time certain events in my life per > Dasha/Bhukies running. To be honest I have always accepted TZ= -3 for Kenya > and the very first time I came across TZ= -2:45 for Kenya was with Andrew > Foss's program (last year at the Bava convention) - I promise I will take a > closer look at it though may have to 're-modify' my rectification to fit > around 26Ari10? I promise it isn't due to my desiring Jupiter to aspect my > Asc to the degree!! Ahhh, but if your lagna is really Taurus, then you have that great Mercury in Virgo in the 5th which is even better that Jupiter extactly aspecting the lagna <grins> Time zones that vary at sticky business. Your case is a prine example. If, in fact your time of birth or first breath is just 1-2 minutes later, and the TZ is -2:45 minutes, your chart shifts to different friends. It would be fun to look at information to see which is right. It might be a nice rectification project for you and for the list. > > Re:calculation would I be right in assuming that one uses the Same TOB + TZ > But use 'New' Location details for relocation purposes? Yes, that is how it is done. Checking for > 'desired' Graha to be located at an Kendra from Original Birth Chart - I > assume 10th followed by Asc followed by 7th followed by 4th? No, which angle does not matter, that a good planet becomes angular is the most significant. The closer it comes to the actual degree the more powerful it is. So, in the case of Vedic astrology which uses a whole sign house system, you will need to calculate the actual Mid heaven and Nadir to be sure. Rarely are they exactly 90 degrees from the lagna. The houses each have specific meaning. So, the Sun in Leo on the 4th house (nadir) angel might mean you will feel a great similarity between yourself (Sun) and the location. Venus is almost universally good. You are happy wherever she is angular. Still, if she is on the Mid Heaven it naturally is even better for career and public recognition. On the 7th, she makes for happy relationships or at least you are very attractive to others which may be too intense for a happy relationship if you cannot say no. Mars on an angle brings great energy. My sweetie and I stayed in Paris while enroute to India. It was a Mars line for both of us. Our room was above a Greek restaurant where there was music and dancing and crashing plates until 2am. We walked from one end of the city to the other on Christmas day in light rain. We slept very little. The last night, when we had a 5:30 wakeup to get to the airport, there was a group of roaming and singing students who decided to camp out in front of the little hotel and sing and laugh after the bars closed at 2:am. This is Mars at its best. We got up and took off in the morning running on adrenalin. It was great for a vacation, but I couldn't live on that line. > > Noticed you haven't mentioned the use of 'Trines' aspects to either Asc or > Mid-heaven - is this deliberate? > Correct. They might support the planetary line, but the actual line that runs through the area is what is most important. I have a computer program that does the calculations and prints out a map showing the lines of the 4 angels. There are also parans. These simple take the intersection of the planetary lines as the girdle the globe. The latitude where they intersect becomes a sensitive point. At that intersection and 1 degree north or south of it is a sensitive line that circles the globe and brings in the energies of those planets as well. > Also would you mind 'sharing' your birth info along with Ohio and present > details just to 'better' grasp your last paragraph on your own personal > experiences - either on/off the list? > Ohh, I don't mind. I have shared it before. C. Novak May 13th, 1955 2:09am Martins Ferry OH 80w44 40n06 EDT I now live in Arlington TX 97w04 32N44 You would rerun the chart using EDT with the Arlington lat. and long. > Many thanks Cynthia for the 'insight' and hoping you will confirm/answer > some of my above queries as well. > > Best wishes ........ > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:23 PM > > gjlist > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > Sure > > > > Why do you feel that this one is accurate? I'm only asking because I have > > the Astro Computing Services world atlas, and it is usually the one > > considered the best. If there is a problem with the time zone > > information, > > I'd like to know. > > > > Using the Aries Lagna, the strongest planet in your chart, Mercury in > > Virgo > > is not a great friend to the chart. It is still very strong for mental > > analysis and work, but is much more stressful than if you were born just > > two > > minutes later and in the time zone I show. There, you would be a Taurus > > lagna and Mercury would rule 2nd and 5th houses and would be the absolute > > best planetary line to relocate for success. I'm always a little uneasy > > when the difference is so little in terms of time and so great in terms of > > outcome. > > > > Anyway, the Mid heaven is not usually calculate in the Vedic program I > > have. > > In the case of your chart with 26 AT 10 as the lagna and 7th house angel, > > the Mid Heaven and Nadir (top and bottom of the chart as determined by the > > tilt of the Earth) are 21 Capricorn 40 minutes midheaven or career point > > and > > 21 Cancer 40 minutes nadir or point of home. > > > > With Aries lagna, the great friends are naturally Mars, Sun, Moon and > > Jupiter. In your chart, we would recalculate the chart to another > > location. > > TO do so, simply use a computer program and enter in the latitude and > > longitude of the new location and keep the time zone of the birth > > location, > > in this case you are using -3: > > > > Now, the closer you get a powerful and beneficial planet to the angels > > listed above, the more powerful that planet becomes. Because of the > > placements in your chart, I would be tempted to use that Mercury because > > it > > is so strong and "may" be a friend to your chart if the time is off. You > > might travel to a place that has Mercury strong (within 1 degree of > > latitude) and see how you respond to it. In the U.S. you would have the > > best relocation placements from Texas west to California. In the UK, the > > Sun line is the strongest for your chart. It is most exact in the eastern > > part of the UK.. Mercury is strong on the eastern side of Ireland. > > > > It all boils down to placing a planet that is very strong and beneficial > > for > > you on one of the angels of the chart. > > > > In my case, I was compelled to move without any real conscious decision to > > a > > place where 4 planetary lines are strong. I am Capricorn lagna and I live > > almost exactly on my Saturn line. Saturn is by birth in my 1-st house, > > but > > only by moving to the west did I get the results of Saturn as promised in > > my > > chart. This move put Saturn tightly on the midheaven, rather than simply > > out in the middle of the house. It also relocated my moon tightly on the > > lagna rather than behind it, and it brought in Uranus and Jupiter. This > > has > > been a busy place for me, but my years in Ohio were very difficult with > > little work and barely sustaining myself. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > cynthia > > > > > > - > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > <gjlist> > > Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:20 AM > > RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia > > > > > > can I request you to use -3.00 re:Time zone instead even though you have > > > your reservations? > > > > > > Many thanks ..... > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 9:28 PM > > > > gjlist > > > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > I show -2:45 > > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > > > <gjlist> > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 10:25 AM > > > > RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia > > > > > > > > > > thank you for looking at my query but per my calculations I make the > > Asc > > > > as > > > > > 26Ari10 - can you re-check your calculations please? I have taken > > > > '-3.00' > > > > > from GMT for my calculations using Lahiri. Perhaps difference due to > > KP > > > > > Ayanamsa? > > > > > > > > > > For your info yes I have rectified my TOB from 8:30pm (per mother). > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes ....... > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 4:09 PM > > > > > > gjlist > > > > > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st step is to determine which are the best planets for your > > > > chart. > > > > > > From what I see, Your lagna is 29 Aries 51 minutes, if that is > > indeed > > > > > > correct, then your best planet, Mercury in own sign is not a > > friend > > to > > > > > > your > > > > > > chart. If by chance you find that your birth time is, off then > > > > Mercury > > > > > > might be the best planet in your chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, before we go any farther, I must ask if you have rectified > > this > > > > birth > > > > > > time. If it were off by only 1-2 minutes, you might have Taurus > > lagna > > > > and > > > > > > the answer would be quite different. > > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Original Message ----- > > > > > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > > > > > <gjlist> > > > > > > Cc: 'cynthia novak' <c.a.novak > > > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 5:30 AM > > > > > > [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia + list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was looking at some 'old' emails and came across your > > mentioning > > > > use > > > > > > of > > > > > > > 'relocation' charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I possibly request you to show me an example of your > > suggested > > > > > > > 'relocation' chart technique re:use of House cusps? > > > > > > > Certainly intrigued about the 'House Cusps'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please feel free in using my details: > > > > > > > Ram 8th Oct '56 8:33pm Nairobi Kenya (36E49 1S17) Asc: 26:10 > > Aries > > > > > > > Currently residing in Hounslow England (0W22 51N29) - moved in > > > > Sept'64 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or anyother you care to use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in anticipation ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may > > contain > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically > > stated. > > > > > > > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your > > system, > > > > do > > > > > > not use, > > > > > > > copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance > > on > > > > it > > > > > > and > > > > > > notify > > > > > > > the sender immediately. > > > > > > > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent > > > > > > > or received. 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Guest guest Posted June 6, 2002 Report Share Posted June 6, 2002 Dear Ram I forgot to tell you that my Mid Heaven is 25 Libra 20 which means that my Nadir is 25 Aries 20 This places Saturn on the Mid Heaven, the Moon on the Lagna and Sun on the Nadir. Jupiter and Uranus are at 1 degree Cancer so they are approaching the 7th but not as tight as the others. Still, I have had very nice relationships here including my current 7 year relationship with a professor, so that Jupiter does influence just not as intensely. I also became much more confident when I moved to this area Sun And I was almost immediately seen a professional astrologer with good and practical information Saturn. The Moon manifests directly: I can't hide my feelings as I did when I was in OH. In fact, my clients cite my compassion and feeling nature as a strong draw to return. c - Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal <gjlist> Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:28 AM RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > Namaste Cynthia > > Re:TZ= -3 it is really a mixture of old programs using that value for Kenya > along with my being better able to time certain events in my life per > Dasha/Bhukies running. To be honest I have always accepted TZ= -3 for Kenya > and the very first time I came across TZ= -2:45 for Kenya was with Andrew > Foss's program (last year at the Bava convention) - I promise I will take a > closer look at it though may have to 're-modify' my rectification to fit > around 26Ari10? I promise it isn't due to my desiring Jupiter to aspect my > Asc to the degree!! > > Re:calculation would I be right in assuming that one uses the Same TOB + TZ > But use 'New' Location details for relocation purposes? Checking for > 'desired' Graha to be located at an Kendra from Original Birth Chart - I > assume 10th followed by Asc followed by 7th followed by 4th? > > Noticed you haven't mentioned the use of 'Trines' aspects to either Asc or > Mid-heaven - is this deliberate? > > Also would you mind 'sharing' your birth info along with Ohio and present > details just to 'better' grasp your last paragraph on your own personal > experiences - either on/off the list? > > Many thanks Cynthia for the 'insight' and hoping you will confirm/answer > some of my above queries as well. > > Best wishes ........ > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:23 PM > > gjlist > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > Sure > > > > Why do you feel that this one is accurate? I'm only asking because I have > > the Astro Computing Services world atlas, and it is usually the one > > considered the best. If there is a problem with the time zone > > information, > > I'd like to know. > > > > Using the Aries Lagna, the strongest planet in your chart, Mercury in > > Virgo > > is not a great friend to the chart. It is still very strong for mental > > analysis and work, but is much more stressful than if you were born just > > two > > minutes later and in the time zone I show. There, you would be a Taurus > > lagna and Mercury would rule 2nd and 5th houses and would be the absolute > > best planetary line to relocate for success. I'm always a little uneasy > > when the difference is so little in terms of time and so great in terms of > > outcome. > > > > Anyway, the Mid heaven is not usually calculate in the Vedic program I > > have. > > In the case of your chart with 26 AT 10 as the lagna and 7th house angel, > > the Mid Heaven and Nadir (top and bottom of the chart as determined by the > > tilt of the Earth) are 21 Capricorn 40 minutes midheaven or career point > > and > > 21 Cancer 40 minutes nadir or point of home. > > > > With Aries lagna, the great friends are naturally Mars, Sun, Moon and > > Jupiter. In your chart, we would recalculate the chart to another > > location. > > TO do so, simply use a computer program and enter in the latitude and > > longitude of the new location and keep the time zone of the birth > > location, > > in this case you are using -3: > > > > Now, the closer you get a powerful and beneficial planet to the angels > > listed above, the more powerful that planet becomes. Because of the > > placements in your chart, I would be tempted to use that Mercury because > > it > > is so strong and "may" be a friend to your chart if the time is off. You > > might travel to a place that has Mercury strong (within 1 degree of > > latitude) and see how you respond to it. In the U.S. you would have the > > best relocation placements from Texas west to California. In the UK, the > > Sun line is the strongest for your chart. It is most exact in the eastern > > part of the UK.. Mercury is strong on the eastern side of Ireland. > > > > It all boils down to placing a planet that is very strong and beneficial > > for > > you on one of the angels of the chart. > > > > In my case, I was compelled to move without any real conscious decision to > > a > > place where 4 planetary lines are strong. I am Capricorn lagna and I live > > almost exactly on my Saturn line. Saturn is by birth in my 1-st house, > > but > > only by moving to the west did I get the results of Saturn as promised in > > my > > chart. This move put Saturn tightly on the midheaven, rather than simply > > out in the middle of the house. It also relocated my moon tightly on the > > lagna rather than behind it, and it brought in Uranus and Jupiter. This > > has > > been a busy place for me, but my years in Ohio were very difficult with > > little work and barely sustaining myself. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > cynthia > > > > > > - > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > <gjlist> > > Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:20 AM > > RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia > > > > > > can I request you to use -3.00 re:Time zone instead even though you have > > > your reservations? > > > > > > Many thanks ..... > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 9:28 PM > > > > gjlist > > > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > I show -2:45 > > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > > > <gjlist> > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 10:25 AM > > > > RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia > > > > > > > > > > thank you for looking at my query but per my calculations I make the > > Asc > > > > as > > > > > 26Ari10 - can you re-check your calculations please? I have taken > > > > '-3.00' > > > > > from GMT for my calculations using Lahiri. Perhaps difference due to > > KP > > > > > Ayanamsa? > > > > > > > > > > For your info yes I have rectified my TOB from 8:30pm (per mother). > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes ....... > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 4:09 PM > > > > > > gjlist > > > > > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st step is to determine which are the best planets for your > > > > chart. > > > > > > From what I see, Your lagna is 29 Aries 51 minutes, if that is > > indeed > > > > > > correct, then your best planet, Mercury in own sign is not a > > friend > > to > > > > > > your > > > > > > chart. If by chance you find that your birth time is, off then > > > > Mercury > > > > > > might be the best planet in your chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, before we go any farther, I must ask if you have rectified > > this > > > > birth > > > > > > time. 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Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Namaste Cynthia many thanks for your reply - as suggested I will play with TZ= -2:45 and see what I get!!! Not to sure how others would feel towards participating in a 'rectification' exercise - let me play and if necessary 'bounce' ideas either on/off the list. You mentioned using a computer program that generates a 'map' - can I request you to mention what it is? I know 'most' people suggest using exact Natal details (ie Birth TOB/POB) whilst generating Varshapal (yearly) charts - any personal thoughts on this area? I must say that I am more inclined towards using your 'relocation' method in its generation - hence the query. Many thanks once again Cynthia for 'highlighting' your thoughts on this subject - much appreciated!!! Best wishes ...... Jai Sita Ram Ram > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > Thursday, June 06, 2002 4:02 PM > gjlist > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > Namaste Cynthia > > > > Re:TZ= -3 it is really a mixture of old programs using that value for > Kenya > > along with my being better able to time certain events in my life per > > Dasha/Bhukies running. To be honest I have always accepted TZ= -3 for > Kenya > > and the very first time I came across TZ= -2:45 for Kenya was with > Andrew > > Foss's program (last year at the Bava convention) - I promise I will > take > a > > closer look at it though may have to 're-modify' my rectification to fit > > around 26Ari10? I promise it isn't due to my desiring Jupiter to aspect > my > > Asc to the degree!! > > > Ahhh, but if your lagna is really Taurus, then you have that great Mercury > in Virgo in the 5th which is even better that Jupiter extactly aspecting > the > lagna <grins> > > Time zones that vary at sticky business. Your case is a prine example. > If, > in fact your time of birth or first breath is just 1-2 minutes later, and > the TZ is -2:45 minutes, your chart shifts to different friends. It would > be fun to look at information to see which is right. It might be a nice > rectification project for you and for the list. > > > > > > Re:calculation would I be right in assuming that one uses the Same TOB + > TZ > > But use 'New' Location details for relocation purposes? > > > Yes, that is how it is done. > > Checking for > > 'desired' Graha to be located at an Kendra from Original Birth Chart - I > > assume 10th followed by Asc followed by 7th followed by 4th? > > No, which angle does not matter, that a good planet becomes angular is the > most significant. > The closer it comes to the actual degree the more powerful it is. So, in > the case of Vedic astrology which uses a whole sign house system, you will > need to calculate the actual Mid heaven and Nadir to be sure. Rarely are > they exactly 90 degrees from the lagna. > > The houses each have specific meaning. So, the Sun in Leo on the 4th > house > (nadir) angel might mean you will feel a great similarity between yourself > (Sun) and the location. Venus is almost universally good. You are happy > wherever she is angular. Still, if she is on the Mid Heaven it naturally > is > even better for career and public recognition. On the 7th, she makes for > happy relationships or at least you are very attractive to others which > may > be too intense for a happy relationship if you cannot say no. > > Mars on an angle brings great energy. My sweetie and I stayed in Paris > while enroute to India. It was a Mars line for both of us. Our room was > above a Greek restaurant where there was music and dancing and crashing > plates until 2am. We walked from one end of the city to the other on > Christmas day in light rain. We slept very little. The last night, when > we > had a 5:30 wakeup to get to the airport, there was a group of roaming and > singing students who decided to camp out in front of the little hotel and > sing and laugh after the bars closed at 2:am. This is Mars at its best. > We > got up and took off in the morning running on adrenalin. It was great for > a > vacation, but I couldn't live on that line. > > > > Noticed you haven't mentioned the use of 'Trines' aspects to either Asc > or > > Mid-heaven - is this deliberate? > > > Correct. They might support the planetary line, but the actual line that > runs through the area is what is most important. I have a computer > program > that does the calculations and prints out a map showing the lines of the 4 > angels. > > There are also parans. These simple take the intersection of the > planetary > lines as the girdle the globe. The latitude where they intersect becomes > a > sensitive point. At that intersection and 1 degree north or south of it > is > a sensitive line that circles the globe and brings in the energies of > those > planets as well. > > > > Also would you mind 'sharing' your birth info along with Ohio and > present > > details just to 'better' grasp your last paragraph on your own personal > > experiences - either on/off the list? > > > Ohh, I don't mind. I have shared it before. > C. Novak > May 13th, 1955 2:09am Martins Ferry OH 80w44 40n06 EDT > > I now live in Arlington TX 97w04 32N44 > > You would rerun the chart using EDT with the Arlington lat. and long. > > > Many thanks Cynthia for the 'insight' and hoping you will confirm/answer > > some of my above queries as well. > > > > Best wishes ........ > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > > Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:23 PM > > > gjlist > > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > Sure > > > > > > Why do you feel that this one is accurate? I'm only asking because I > have > > > the Astro Computing Services world atlas, and it is usually the one > > > considered the best. If there is a problem with the time zone > > > information, > > > I'd like to know. > > > > > > Using the Aries Lagna, the strongest planet in your chart, Mercury in > > > Virgo > > > is not a great friend to the chart. It is still very strong for > mental > > > analysis and work, but is much more stressful than if you were born > just > > > two > > > minutes later and in the time zone I show. There, you would be a > Taurus > > > lagna and Mercury would rule 2nd and 5th houses and would be the > absolute > > > best planetary line to relocate for success. I'm always a little > uneasy > > > when the difference is so little in terms of time and so great in > terms > of > > > outcome. > > > > > > Anyway, the Mid heaven is not usually calculate in the Vedic program I > > > have. > > > In the case of your chart with 26 AT 10 as the lagna and 7th house > angel, > > > the Mid Heaven and Nadir (top and bottom of the chart as determined by > the > > > tilt of the Earth) are 21 Capricorn 40 minutes midheaven or career > point > > > and > > > 21 Cancer 40 minutes nadir or point of home. > > > > > > With Aries lagna, the great friends are naturally Mars, Sun, Moon and > > > Jupiter. In your chart, we would recalculate the chart to another > > > location. > > > TO do so, simply use a computer program and enter in the latitude and > > > longitude of the new location and keep the time zone of the birth > > > location, > > > in this case you are using -3: > > > > > > Now, the closer you get a powerful and beneficial planet to the angels > > > listed above, the more powerful that planet becomes. Because of the > > > placements in your chart, I would be tempted to use that Mercury > because > > > it > > > is so strong and "may" be a friend to your chart if the time is off. > You > > > might travel to a place that has Mercury strong (within 1 degree of > > > latitude) and see how you respond to it. In the U.S. you would have > the > > > best relocation placements from Texas west to California. In the UK, > the > > > Sun line is the strongest for your chart. It is most exact in the > eastern > > > part of the UK.. Mercury is strong on the eastern side of Ireland. > > > > > > It all boils down to placing a planet that is very strong and > beneficial > > > for > > > you on one of the angels of the chart. > > > > > > In my case, I was compelled to move without any real conscious > decision > to > > > a > > > place where 4 planetary lines are strong. I am Capricorn lagna and I > live > > > almost exactly on my Saturn line. Saturn is by birth in my 1-st > house, > > > but > > > only by moving to the west did I get the results of Saturn as promised > in > > > my > > > chart. This move put Saturn tightly on the midheaven, rather than > simply > > > out in the middle of the house. It also relocated my moon tightly on > the > > > lagna rather than behind it, and it brought in Uranus and Jupiter. > This > > > has > > > been a busy place for me, but my years in Ohio were very difficult > with > > > little work and barely sustaining myself. > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > > - > > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > > <gjlist> > > > Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:20 AM > > > RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia > > > > > > > > can I request you to use -3.00 re:Time zone instead even though you > have > > > > your reservations? > > > > > > > > Many thanks ..... > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 9:28 PM > > > > > gjlist > > > > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > I show -2:45 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > > > > <gjlist> > > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 10:25 AM > > > > > RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you for looking at my query but per my calculations I make > the > > > Asc > > > > > as > > > > > > 26Ari10 - can you re-check your calculations please? I have > taken > > > > > '-3.00' > > > > > > from GMT for my calculations using Lahiri. Perhaps difference > due > to > > > KP > > > > > > Ayanamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > For your info yes I have rectified my TOB from 8:30pm (per > mother). > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > > > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 4:09 PM > > > > > > > gjlist > > > > > > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st step is to determine which are the best planets for > your > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > From what I see, Your lagna is 29 Aries 51 minutes, if that is > > > indeed > > > > > > > correct, then your best planet, Mercury in own sign is not a > > > friend > > > to > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > chart. If by chance you find that your birth time is, off > then > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > might be the best planet in your chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, before we go any farther, I must ask if you have rectified > > > this > > > > > birth > > > > > > > time. If it were off by only 1-2 minutes, you might have > Taurus > > > lagna > > > > > and > > > > > > > the answer would be quite different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > > > > > > <gjlist> > > > > > > > Cc: 'cynthia novak' <c.a.novak > > > > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 5:30 AM > > > > > > > [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia + list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was looking at some 'old' emails and came across your > > > mentioning > > > > > use > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > 'relocation' charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I possibly request you to show me an example of your > > > suggested > > > > > > > > 'relocation' chart technique re:use of House cusps? > > > > > > > > Certainly intrigued about the 'House Cusps'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please feel free in using my details: > > > > > > > > Ram 8th Oct '56 8:33pm Nairobi Kenya (36E49 1S17) Asc: 26:10 > > > Aries > > > > > > > > Currently residing in Hounslow England (0W22 51N29) - moved > in > > > > > Sept'64 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or anyother you care to use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in anticipation ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may > > > contain > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically > > > stated. > > > > > > > > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your > > > system, > > > > > do > > > > > > > not use, > > > > > > > > copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in > reliance > > > on > > > > > it > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > notify > > > > > > > > the sender immediately. > > > > > > > > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent > > > > > > > > or received. 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Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Dear Ram The program I use is call Solar Fire by Astrolabe. It is a western astrology program that is very reliable and even includes the Vedic chart and dashas now. There is a companion program called Solar Maps. I believe that Winstar, another western program by....name eludes me...also offers a mapping program. Vedic astrology offers the concept of planets that are friends to the chart and offers a better way to assess which planetary lines are most productive. Western astrology simply prefers Venus or Jupiter over say Saturn with no regard to the planet's strength or success in the individual chart. You don't need an expensive program, you do need to be able to calculate the Mid Heaven and Nadir. My Vedic program does not do that. You can always run a chart on astrodienst and adjust it to sidereal and go from there. You can order a map from Astrocartography. I don't know if they have a web site. Their map is of the world and so very difficult to see the various lines and where they cross. I do not do varshaphal. I tried for years as a western astrologer and never found it reliable. If you relocate for the yearly chart, would you not naturally need to relocate it for life where you actually live? Transits are the best tool for prediction when combined with the dashas. I am highly suspect of the varshaphal: Assuming that in Vedic astrology the placement of the Moon is most important, why then would we not wait for the time when the Moon returns to its nakshatra rather than simply the return of the Sun. I believe that in India the birthday is celebrated with the return of the Moon to its nakshatra when the Sun has also returned. Is this correct or am I mistaken? good luck cynthia - Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal <gjlist> Monday, June 10, 2002 3:25 AM RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > Namaste Cynthia > > many thanks for your reply - as suggested I will play with TZ= -2:45 and see > what I get!!! Not to sure how others would feel towards participating in a > 'rectification' exercise - let me play and if necessary 'bounce' ideas > either on/off the list. > > You mentioned using a computer program that generates a 'map' - can I > request you to mention what it is? > > I know 'most' people suggest using exact Natal details (ie Birth TOB/POB) > whilst generating Varshapal (yearly) charts - any personal thoughts on this > area? I must say that I am more inclined towards using your 'relocation' > method in its generation - hence the query. > > Many thanks once again Cynthia for 'highlighting' your thoughts on this > subject - much appreciated!!! > > Best wishes ...... > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > Thursday, June 06, 2002 4:02 PM > > gjlist > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia > > > > > > Re:TZ= -3 it is really a mixture of old programs using that value for > > Kenya > > > along with my being better able to time certain events in my life per > > > Dasha/Bhukies running. To be honest I have always accepted TZ= -3 for > > Kenya > > > and the very first time I came across TZ= -2:45 for Kenya was with > > Andrew > > > Foss's program (last year at the Bava convention) - I promise I will > > take > > a > > > closer look at it though may have to 're-modify' my rectification to fit > > > around 26Ari10? I promise it isn't due to my desiring Jupiter to aspect > > my > > > Asc to the degree!! > > > > > > Ahhh, but if your lagna is really Taurus, then you have that great Mercury > > in Virgo in the 5th which is even better that Jupiter extactly aspecting > > the > > lagna <grins> > > > > Time zones that vary at sticky business. Your case is a prine example. > > If, > > in fact your time of birth or first breath is just 1-2 minutes later, and > > the TZ is -2:45 minutes, your chart shifts to different friends. It would > > be fun to look at information to see which is right. It might be a nice > > rectification project for you and for the list. > > > > > > > > > > Re:calculation would I be right in assuming that one uses the Same TOB + > > TZ > > > But use 'New' Location details for relocation purposes? > > > > > > Yes, that is how it is done. > > > > Checking for > > > 'desired' Graha to be located at an Kendra from Original Birth Chart - I > > > assume 10th followed by Asc followed by 7th followed by 4th? > > > > No, which angle does not matter, that a good planet becomes angular is the > > most significant. > > The closer it comes to the actual degree the more powerful it is. So, in > > the case of Vedic astrology which uses a whole sign house system, you will > > need to calculate the actual Mid heaven and Nadir to be sure. Rarely are > > they exactly 90 degrees from the lagna. > > > > The houses each have specific meaning. So, the Sun in Leo on the 4th > > house > > (nadir) angel might mean you will feel a great similarity between yourself > > (Sun) and the location. Venus is almost universally good. You are happy > > wherever she is angular. Still, if she is on the Mid Heaven it naturally > > is > > even better for career and public recognition. On the 7th, she makes for > > happy relationships or at least you are very attractive to others which > > may > > be too intense for a happy relationship if you cannot say no. > > > > Mars on an angle brings great energy. My sweetie and I stayed in Paris > > while enroute to India. It was a Mars line for both of us. Our room was > > above a Greek restaurant where there was music and dancing and crashing > > plates until 2am. We walked from one end of the city to the other on > > Christmas day in light rain. We slept very little. The last night, when > > we > > had a 5:30 wakeup to get to the airport, there was a group of roaming and > > singing students who decided to camp out in front of the little hotel and > > sing and laugh after the bars closed at 2:am. This is Mars at its best. > > We > > got up and took off in the morning running on adrenalin. It was great for > > a > > vacation, but I couldn't live on that line. > > > > > > Noticed you haven't mentioned the use of 'Trines' aspects to either Asc > > or > > > Mid-heaven - is this deliberate? > > > > > Correct. They might support the planetary line, but the actual line that > > runs through the area is what is most important. I have a computer > > program > > that does the calculations and prints out a map showing the lines of the 4 > > angels. > > > > There are also parans. These simple take the intersection of the > > planetary > > lines as the girdle the globe. The latitude where they intersect becomes > > a > > sensitive point. At that intersection and 1 degree north or south of it > > is > > a sensitive line that circles the globe and brings in the energies of > > those > > planets as well. > > > > > > > Also would you mind 'sharing' your birth info along with Ohio and > > present > > > details just to 'better' grasp your last paragraph on your own personal > > > experiences - either on/off the list? > > > > > Ohh, I don't mind. I have shared it before. > > C. Novak > > May 13th, 1955 2:09am Martins Ferry OH 80w44 40n06 EDT > > > > I now live in Arlington TX 97w04 32N44 > > > > You would rerun the chart using EDT with the Arlington lat. and long. > > > > > Many thanks Cynthia for the 'insight' and hoping you will confirm/answer > > > some of my above queries as well. > > > > > > Best wishes ........ > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > > > Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:23 PM > > > > gjlist > > > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > Sure > > > > > > > > Why do you feel that this one is accurate? I'm only asking because I > > have > > > > the Astro Computing Services world atlas, and it is usually the one > > > > considered the best. If there is a problem with the time zone > > > > information, > > > > I'd like to know. > > > > > > > > Using the Aries Lagna, the strongest planet in your chart, Mercury in > > > > Virgo > > > > is not a great friend to the chart. It is still very strong for > > mental > > > > analysis and work, but is much more stressful than if you were born > > just > > > > two > > > > minutes later and in the time zone I show. There, you would be a > > Taurus > > > > lagna and Mercury would rule 2nd and 5th houses and would be the > > absolute > > > > best planetary line to relocate for success. I'm always a little > > uneasy > > > > when the difference is so little in terms of time and so great in > > terms > > of > > > > outcome. > > > > > > > > Anyway, the Mid heaven is not usually calculate in the Vedic program I > > > > have. > > > > In the case of your chart with 26 AT 10 as the lagna and 7th house > > angel, > > > > the Mid Heaven and Nadir (top and bottom of the chart as determined by > > the > > > > tilt of the Earth) are 21 Capricorn 40 minutes midheaven or career > > point > > > > and > > > > 21 Cancer 40 minutes nadir or point of home. > > > > > > > > With Aries lagna, the great friends are naturally Mars, Sun, Moon and > > > > Jupiter. In your chart, we would recalculate the chart to another > > > > location. > > > > TO do so, simply use a computer program and enter in the latitude and > > > > longitude of the new location and keep the time zone of the birth > > > > location, > > > > in this case you are using -3: > > > > > > > > Now, the closer you get a powerful and beneficial planet to the angels > > > > listed above, the more powerful that planet becomes. Because of the > > > > placements in your chart, I would be tempted to use that Mercury > > because > > > > it > > > > is so strong and "may" be a friend to your chart if the time is off. > > You > > > > might travel to a place that has Mercury strong (within 1 degree of > > > > latitude) and see how you respond to it. In the U.S. you would have > > the > > > > best relocation placements from Texas west to California. In the UK, > > the > > > > Sun line is the strongest for your chart. It is most exact in the > > eastern > > > > part of the UK.. Mercury is strong on the eastern side of Ireland. > > > > > > > > It all boils down to placing a planet that is very strong and > > beneficial > > > > for > > > > you on one of the angels of the chart. > > > > > > > > In my case, I was compelled to move without any real conscious > > decision > > to > > > > a > > > > place where 4 planetary lines are strong. I am Capricorn lagna and I > > live > > > > almost exactly on my Saturn line. Saturn is by birth in my 1-st > > house, > > > > but > > > > only by moving to the west did I get the results of Saturn as promised > > in > > > > my > > > > chart. This move put Saturn tightly on the midheaven, rather than > > simply > > > > out in the middle of the house. It also relocated my moon tightly on > > the > > > > lagna rather than behind it, and it brought in Uranus and Jupiter. > > This > > > > has > > > > been a busy place for me, but my years in Ohio were very difficult > > with > > > > little work and barely sustaining myself. > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > > > <gjlist> > > > > Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:20 AM > > > > RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia > > > > > > > > > > can I request you to use -3.00 re:Time zone instead even though you > > have > > > > > your reservations? > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks ..... > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 9:28 PM > > > > > > gjlist > > > > > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > I show -2:45 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > > > > > <gjlist> > > > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 10:25 AM > > > > > > RE: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you for looking at my query but per my calculations I make > > the > > > > Asc > > > > > > as > > > > > > > 26Ari10 - can you re-check your calculations please? I have > > taken > > > > > > '-3.00' > > > > > > > from GMT for my calculations using Lahiri. Perhaps difference > > due > > to > > > > KP > > > > > > > Ayanamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For your info yes I have rectified my TOB from 8:30pm (per > > mother). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > > > > > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 4:09 PM > > > > > > > > gjlist > > > > > > > > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st step is to determine which are the best planets for > > your > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > From what I see, Your lagna is 29 Aries 51 minutes, if that is > > > > indeed > > > > > > > > correct, then your best planet, Mercury in own sign is not a > > > > friend > > > > to > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > chart. If by chance you find that your birth time is, off > > then > > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > > might be the best planet in your chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, before we go any farther, I must ask if you have rectified > > > > this > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > time. If it were off by only 1-2 minutes, you might have > > Taurus > > > > lagna > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the answer would be quite different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > > > > > > > > <gjlist> > > > > > > > > Cc: 'cynthia novak' <c.a.novak > > > > > > > > Friday, May 31, 2002 5:30 AM > > > > > > > > [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Cynthia + list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was looking at some 'old' emails and came across your > > > > mentioning > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > 'relocation' charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I possibly request you to show me an example of your > > > > suggested > > > > > > > > > 'relocation' chart technique re:use of House cusps? > > > > > > > > > Certainly intrigued about the 'House Cusps'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please feel free in using my details: > > > > > > > > > Ram 8th Oct '56 8:33pm Nairobi Kenya (36E49 1S17) Asc: 26:10 > > > > Aries > > > > > > > > > Currently residing in Hounslow England (0W22 51N29) - moved > > in > > > > > > Sept'64 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or anyother you care to use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in anticipation ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may > > > > contain > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically > > > > stated. > > > > > > > > > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your > > > > system, > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > not use, > > > > > > > > > copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in > > reliance > > > > on > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > notify > > > > > > > > > the sender immediately. > > > > > > > > > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent > > > > > > > > > or received. 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Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Namaste Cynthia thanking you for the information re:software programs - I thought it may have been solar fire. Re:calculating Varshapal charts for relocated co-ords I agree it would make more sense hence my asking if methodology used for relocation could be applied with any success instead. Guess will have to play ..... Re: waiting for Sun to come back to its 'natal' position re:celebrating birthdays is I guess understandable as said event can only take place once a year whilst the Moon returning to its Natal position can be 12/13 times a year. Also very likely that Both events may not occur near one another? Sorry can't say anything regarding waiting for Both Sun and Moon to return to their Nakshatra positions before celebrating ones birthday in India - hope other 'fellow' Indians on the list can assist on this query. My personal thoughts though would be that 'most' Indians would celebrate their birthdays like their 'western' counterparts on their date of birth as opposed for waiting for Sun to return to its Natal position - at least this has been followed by my immediate family. Thank you again Cynthia for 'more' food for thought ..... Best wishes ...... Jai Sita Ram Ram > > cynthia novak [sMTP:c.a.novak] > Monday, June 10, 2002 10:38 PM > gjlist > Re: [GJ] Relocation chart example sought > > Dear Ram > > The program I use is call Solar Fire by Astrolabe. It is a western > astrology program that is very reliable and even includes the Vedic chart > and dashas now. > > There is a companion program called Solar Maps. > > I believe that Winstar, another western program by....name eludes > me...also > offers a mapping program. > > Vedic astrology offers the concept of planets that are friends to the > chart > and offers a better way to assess which planetary lines are most > productive. > > Western astrology simply prefers Venus or Jupiter over say Saturn with no > regard to the planet's strength or success in the individual chart. > > You don't need an expensive program, you do need to be able to calculate > the > Mid Heaven and Nadir. My Vedic program does not do that. You can always > run a chart on astrodienst and adjust it to sidereal and go from there. > > You can order a map from Astrocartography. I don't know if they have a > web > site. > > Their map is of the world and so very difficult to see the various lines > and > where they cross. > > I do not do varshaphal. I tried for years as a western astrologer and > never > found it reliable. > > If you relocate for the yearly chart, would you not naturally need to > relocate it for life where you actually live? > > Transits are the best tool for prediction when combined with the dashas. > > I am highly suspect of the varshaphal: Assuming that in Vedic astrology > the > placement of the Moon is most important, why then would we not wait for > the > time when the Moon returns to its nakshatra rather than simply the return > of > the Sun. > > I believe that in India the birthday is celebrated with the return of the > Moon to its nakshatra when the Sun has also returned. Is this correct or > am > I mistaken? > > good luck > cynthia > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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