Guest guest Posted May 29, 2002 Report Share Posted May 29, 2002 I can talk to people's souls. Something about my looks and the way I think and speak, gives people the experience of dropping straight down into a feeling of spiritual reality inside themselves. It's a gift. So is the ability to understand Jyotish well. And to have been to India's holy places, met real Saints, and so on. It's also a gift to have a career like mine, very much so, especially since it did well, and by reinvestment, I've built up an awesome studio where I could fulfill more of my dreams of creating things in this area of life. But for years I've hardly worked, and just been inebriated, and dusted my lungs, cried in pain on my bed, seeing shrinks and counselors to no avail, using up money on self medication and prescribed anti depessents which ultimately fail. Why? I gave my life to serving God through others. I cared all my life about the world, about people, about ending suffering. I've been utterly devoted to these things. I gave my life early, so I never had my twenties, never dated, never did the bar scene, the party scene, the dating scene. I never had a marriage, never visited the relatives, never did Easter or Christmas. None of that. Instead, I've always done Janmastami, and Ramnavami. I've known Gurus and Yogis. I know Sastra and Dharma and do Seva. I'm an Indian basically. But I look and feel like I am, a 42 yr old white American West Coast kind of guy. I'm successful in things related to ancient India and respected very much so in that field. But I have no friends really. No wife. I'm lonely. I've been alone for years. Nothing I've done has solved this. I walk alone. I stare around. I feel like I'm in a bubble. Why? Because I don't eat meat, I'm not into drinking. I don't get off on sports at all, so I don't ra-ra the local team like most people do. I see through the materialism to a deeper layer. I care about people, but they don't care that I care, because they don't care themselves. I'm thinking how to help the world, but the world gives me nothing back. I want a wife so bad, a companion, but no woman wants to be the wife of someone like me I suppose. I only get real offers from woman older than myself or who have some impossibility like they don't speak English. Never had parents, and they're dead. My siblings are too normal to be of any use to me really. I gave my life to the HK movement but that I cannot deal with anymore. It's like it's for beginners only. I can't hear those party lines any more. It's too powerless. Everybody is parrotting, lacking their own thinking. I can't hear it anymore. So I lost all my friends, cuzz all my friends up and down the Coast have become followers of Narayan Maharaj and they're all fanatics. This includes my ex. I can't get anything from any of them because I'm no longer in the group. I lost all my friends. I've gone to many gatherings, concerts, conventions, blind dates, placed and answered personal ads, wrote letters, wrote to this list, begged and complained and pleaded locally in town here and all over the world, and NOTHING has happened tangible. I'm still totally alone, with no way of ending it. Locally, I tried everything and more. I even went so far as to pinning little ads on telephone poles, which produced only prank calls. This of course is after all the usual stuff, like personal's ads. I held classes, did a number of things. No, nothing has worked. I've been lonely feeling for decades now. I've had my eyes open and I've been trying for decades to find a woman younger than myself who wants to be with me whom I like. I just want to do my work for the Divine cause for the purpose of helping us all, and I want company, and a wife. I'm clean, nice, good, educated, what's the problem? Something is the problem. I've put the word out so much locally, that I get weird looks and people pointing. I've tried everything, and my life just gets worse. I thought if I tried so hard to spread Jyotish, that something would happen of that. Early on I added research features and wrote articles about it, and thought surely some resourcesful people, people with resources themselves, interested in proving Jyotish as well, helping Hinduism, helping enlightenment's cause on Earth, would certainly talk to me and work together. Life would be interesting. I'd have a purpose. And PEOPLE to associate with. But nothing of the sort has happened. I've done this now for 8 years. Nothing. I'm alone on that front as well. I thought surely somewhere along the way some rich benevolent Hindu would want to help me out in this. I am totally reinvesting everything. I don't do vacations. I don't do anything in fact. I just work. This is also one reason woman are turned off. They want to be more entertained than that. Well, damnit, there has to be at least one out there right for me who is also a servant of God like me. But no. Nothing. No associates of any type. I am Das Goravani, supposedly someone of some value, but I am left utterly alone year after year, despite all my attempts at changing that, all my prayers and hopes. Nothing. I have been reduced now since this has continued for so many years, to an utter addict. I have been in a pathetic state of despair for years. It wears on you. You get worse and worse in some ways because it compounds itself in various ways. It is an extreme struggle to write this, focusing through the pain, so to speak, cutting through it with will to construct the sentences. So much sadness lives in every part of me. My fingers hurt with sadness as I type, my forehead wrinkled with it. Everything cringing and wrything in the pain of lonliness, sadness, desperation. A person can have faith, hope and anticipation for only so long. I joined a movement at 19 and nothing happened except me gradually being highly dissapointed and let down. The leads after Prabhupada, who I was intimitely associating with since I was direct side man to one of them, were pathetic in their abilities to be even normal in their moralities. It was unbelievable. So everything fell apart. How dissapointing. But before leaving, I made the karmic act/mistake whatever, of having a basically blind marriage and then two kids, all because "I'm supposed to" if I want to engage in that ugly terrible sinful act of sex with a woman. So being as I was subjecting myself, trying to be a good little servant of God in the great Indian movement, I went ahead and acted like "I was supposed to" and had two kids with a woman I couldn't relate to actually at all, not when I'm my real self. No. So I entered a fourteen marriage of pretense, because there were no parents, and no leaders in my life ever. I was on my own. I made such mistakes therefore, but very sincerely. So now I'm at the end of raising those kids. I've been through hell because most of this 23 years of being a Hare Krishna, I was with my wife and around devotees, and it's just too stiff for me. They are too religious. It's too uptight. All my artistry and love is just smothered there. I can't go there now for some years. I lost all my friends this way as I said. I made all the money in the marriage and worked very hard and was successful, and we had a good life. But I wasn't happy. I'm a passionate man. She was not. I suffered. Eventually I met another woman, divorced for her, but she didn't reciprocate. I was misled. She is still married and lives with him. I waited 7 years. I'm heart broken. I had true love with someone and they walked away for shallow reasons. I'm taught them everything I knew, gave them everything I had, and am getting nothing at all in return out of all that. Seeing how unhappy I've been, my children really want nothing to do with anybody connected to Hare Krishna, and I understand. My ex, blaming me for this utter tragedy as she's more orthodox, uses it I suppose, for further reason to do as she's always done, nothing. I've been a truly single father for 7 years. No friends, no help, no wife, no nothing. Having now tried everything I can think of to no avail, including crying on this list several times, flying here and there for breaks, and like I said, just everything else, I'm just empty and lost now. I cannot move or function. I don't eat unless I go out. Which I don't do. I'm just dieing now. Decaying. I keep trying to make it change, new pills, new attitude, read the new recommended book sent by well meaning friend, try everything... nothing, because, I cannot believe that I am being left alone. I cannot. I gave my life in love to the center, and to everyone. That's the way I've always been. I don't live for me. I don't. I only live for the others I'm working with or serving. But I want to see them. That's what this has made me realize. I cannot go on working alone forever. And I need the love of a wife. I do. But it's been never, and that's been forever, and the pain is now an ocean in all directions for all time remembered, I've been floating in pain, making all my smile faced sincere attempts to appear normal and happy, and attract a spouse, but it's all BS. People are playing games, and being in illusion. You cannot be real and get a spouse. Woman of substance are incredibly rare, and rarer still, the right age, and attractive and into me. It's impossible it seems. But the lonliness anxiety is so intense I shiver, like as if I'm gettng parkinsons. I'm freaking out from it for years. I can't end it. There's no mechanism in this society for me. I've tried bars, dancing, ads, everything. That's all BS. It's not serious and real. I have no Church, don't want to fake it, no school, and nothing I want to study. I don't want to take yoga classes because who needs classes in Hatha Yoga? I don't. Faking it to see if there's anywoman there... I've done that. There isn't.. Well I can't spend my life going to classes incognito to see if my wife is there, and then what, engage in a very long relationship to educate this person into my reality, then watch them walk away with the learning while flipping me off like Bernadette is doing and has been doing for years. How come I can't find an angel with a decent chart the right age range who is right for me? Dear Krishna, uh, wake up and do your part here OK? And why oh my, has there been NO activity amongst real men with resources in my life, or woman with resources, for doing something serious about computerized research. You'd think nobody with money had an interest. I'm appalled. I'm appalled some rich Hindu hasn' contacted me SINCERELY. I've gotten the taking phone calls, yes. I am utterly dissapointed in life. I cannot be respectful towards anything, not Catholicism, no Hare Krishna (the movement), my family, my guru siblings, woman in my life, nothing. Nowhere and nothing is embracing me. I feel like I'm totally misplaced and unwanted. Except For you. Yes, my customers and readers, the people whom I've met through Jyotish, have been highly supportive of me. Yes, definitely. Major applause back at ya. Really. However. I can't see you. I cannot touch you. You are not in my life actually. You are very well wishing, Reiki-sending, even gift sending and definitely nice letters, phone calls, etc., and that's all nice, and many are even jealous, but really picture it. At the end of the day, it was just words on my screen, letters in the mail, calls on the phone, flowers at the door. I was the only one sitting there. There's nothing else there when the computer goes off. The phone ringer down, climb in bed alone, tick tock, another year, it's unreal. I've come to regard all the emails and phone calls as actually distractions only. No matter how nice or well wishing, they don't do anything for my pain. My pain is based on the fact that I actually cannot touch through to any one person as a wife, and find real quality returned. I cannot find a quality woman right for me. No matter how hard I try, I cannot. And I cannot seem to have or keep friends. Firstly, I find very people who are at all interesting. Then amongst them, few want to serve the mission. Everyone is really selfish and I can't believe it. It just gets weeded out so fast. There's nobody left. Why is it like this? In the seventies it seemed so many were going this way. Where'd they go? I feel so alone. It seems like everyone is either in their twenties and materialistic, or over 50 and new agey. Nobody around my age, serving God next to me, in a way I can relate to. The nicest woman I know, are followers of Amma, and I just cannot relate, sorry. I can't do another Guru. I cannot hear someone again glorifying some human like that, and in that case, they actually believe she's Durga. I just can't do this stuff anymore. The feet, the incense, the saris and pretentions. Oh my god. I just want a real person to do real life with me while I do real work. I need real love. I have come to totally hate life. I have to drag myself through it minute to minute. This is another one of my "last efforts" to raise something. I've tried so hard for so many years. I feel like I live on planet "stupid mud". That's what it should be named. Because everything and everybody moves like mud and is stupid. I'm a spiritual warrior, and I'm alone. Speaks for the times. I hate life now. I can't wait for something exciting to happen for me. I would die if I didn't have kids. Can't do that to them. Want lies, go elsewhere. Astro Lesson Portion --------------------- This is the voice of one in Saturn Rahu, and those two are conjunct in transit on my Nat-Sun and opposite Trans. Pluto. (end of lesson-take note though, pretty significant) I truly have no hope left. I'm so sad. Everything is falling apart for me. I wish I could turn this around. Thank you for tolerating me. I don't know why I'm different. I don't know why everything has gone this way. I don't know why nobody else is in total pain and freaking out and verbalizing it. This list is my only family, friends, venue. You're it. This is it. Don't think "take it to your family". Sorry, they don't get any of this. They're "Americans". That's it. Only. Period. Where are you? Attachment: (image/jpeg) celtic_warrior.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2002 Report Share Posted May 29, 2002 >>> 05/29/02 10:49AM >>> This list is my only family, friends, venue. You're it. This is it. Don't think "take it to your family". Sorry, they don't get any of this. They're "Americans". That's it. Only. Period. [ME] ?????????????????????????????? Speechless. Renee Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2002 Report Share Posted May 29, 2002 Look ~ it's Spring. And last year's loose dust has turned into this soft willingness. The wind-flowers have come up trembling Slowly the brackens are uplifting their curvaceous and pale bodies The thrushes have come home, none less than filled with mystery, sorrow, happiness, music, ambition. And I am walking out into all of this with nowhere to go and no task undertaken but to turn the pages of this beautiful world over and over in the world of my mind. * * * Therefore, dark past ... I'm about to do it ... I'm about to forgive you for everything ..... ~ Mary Oliver What Do We Know At 09:49 AM 5/29/02 -0800, you wrote: I can talk to people's souls. Something about my looks and the way I think and speak, gives people the experience of dropping straight down into a feeling of spiritual reality inside themselves. It's a gift. So is the ability to understand Jyotish well. And to have been to India's holy places, met real Saints, and so on. It's also a gift to have a career like mine, very much so, especially since it did well, and by reinvestment, I've built up an awesome studio where I could fulfill more of my dreams of creating things in this area of life. But for years I've hardly worked, and just been inebriated, and dusted my lungs, cried in pain on my bed, seeing shrinks and counselors to no avail, using up money on self medication and prescribed anti depessents which ultimately fail. Why? I gave my life to serving God through others. I cared all my life about the world, about people, about ending suffering. I've been utterly devoted to these things. I gave my life early, so I never had my twenties, never dated, never did the bar scene, the party scene, the dating scene. I never had a marriage, never visited the relatives, never did Easter or Christmas. None of that. Instead, I've always done Janmastami, and Ramnavami. I've known Gurus and Yogis. I know Sastra and Dharma and do Seva. I'm an Indian basically. But I look and feel like I am, a 42 yr old white American West Coast kind of guy. I'm successful in things related to ancient India and respected very much so in that field. But I have no friends really. No wife. I'm lonely. I've been alone for years. Nothing I've done has solved this. I walk alone. I stare around. I feel like I'm in a bubble. Why? Because I don't eat meat, I'm not into drinking. I don't get off on sports at all, so I don't ra-ra the local team like most people do. I see through the materialism to a deeper layer. I care about people, but they don't care that I care, because they don't care themselves. I'm thinking how to help the world, but the world gives me nothing back. I want a wife so bad, a companion, but no woman wants to be the wife of someone like me I suppose. I only get real offers from woman older than myself or who have some impossibility like they don't speak English. Never had parents, and they're dead. My siblings are too normal to be of any use to me really. I gave my life to the HK movement but that I cannot deal with anymore. It's like it's for beginners only. I can't hear those party lines any more. It's too powerless. Everybody is parrotting, lacking their own thinking. I can't hear it anymore. So I lost all my friends, cuzz all my friends up and down the Coast have become followers of Narayan Maharaj and they're all fanatics. This includes my ex. I can't get anything from any of them because I'm no longer in the group. I lost all my friends. I've gone to many gatherings, concerts, conventions, blind dates, placed and answered personal ads, wrote letters, wrote to this list, begged and complained and pleaded locally in town here and all over the world, and NOTHING has happened tangible. I'm still totally alone, with no way of ending it. Locally, I tried everything and more. I even went so far as to pinning little ads on telephone poles, which produced only prank calls. This of course is after all the usual stuff, like personal's ads. I held classes, did a number of things. No, nothing has worked. I've been lonely feeling for decades now. I've had my eyes open and I've been trying for decades to find a woman younger than myself who wants to be with me whom I like. I just want to do my work for the Divine cause for the purpose of helping us all, and I want company, and a wife. I'm clean, nice, good, educated, what's the problem? Something is the problem. I've put the word out so much locally, that I get weird looks and people pointing. I've tried everything, and my life just gets worse. I thought if I tried so hard to spread Jyotish, that something would happen of that. Early on I added research features and wrote articles about it, and thought surely some resourcesful people, people with resources themselves, interested in proving Jyotish as well, helping Hinduism, helping enlightenment's cause on Earth, would certainly talk to me and work together. Life would be interesting. I'd have a purpose. And PEOPLE to associate with. But nothing of the sort has happened. I've done this now for 8 years. Nothing. I'm alone on that front as well. I thought surely somewhere along the way some rich benevolent Hindu would want to help me out in this. I am totally reinvesting everything. I don't do vacations. I don't do anything in fact. I just work. This is also one reason woman are turned off. They want to be more entertained than that. Well, damnit, there has to be at least one out there right for me who is also a servant of God like me. But no. Nothing. No associates of any type. I am Das Goravani, supposedly someone of some value, but I am left utterly alone year after year, despite all my attempts at changing that, all my prayers and hopes. Nothing. I have been reduced now since this has continued for so many years, to an utter addict. I have been in a pathetic state of despair for years. It wears on you. You get worse and worse in some ways because it compounds itself in various ways. It is an extreme struggle to write this, focusing through the pain, so to speak, cutting through it with will to construct the sentences. So much sadness lives in every part of me. My fingers hurt with sadness as I type, my forehead wrinkled with it. Everything cringing and wrything in the pain of lonliness, sadness, desperation. A person can have faith, hope and anticipation for only so long. I joined a movement at 19 and nothing happened except me gradually being highly dissapointed and let down. The leads after Prabhupada, who I was intimitely associating with since I was direct side man to one of them, were pathetic in their abilities to be even normal in their moralities. It was unbelievable. So everything fell apart. How dissapointing. But before leaving, I made the karmic act/mistake whatever, of having a basically blind marriage and then two kids, all because "I'm supposed to" if I want to engage in that ugly terrible sinful act of sex with a woman. So being as I was subjecting myself, trying to be a good little servant of God in the great Indian movement, I went ahead and acted like "I was supposed to" and had two kids with a woman I couldn't relate to actually at all, not when I'm my real self. No. So I entered a fourteen marriage of pretense, because there were no parents, and no leaders in my life ever. I was on my own. I made such mistakes therefore, but very sincerely. So now I'm at the end of raising those kids. I've been through hell because most of this 23 years of being a Hare Krishna, I was with my wife and around devotees, and it's just too stiff for me. They are too religious. It's too uptight. All my artistry and love is just smothered there. I can't go there now for some years. I lost all my friends this way as I said. I made all the money in the marriage and worked very hard and was successful, and we had a good life. But I wasn't happy. I'm a passionate man. She was not. I suffered. Eventually I met another woman, divorced for her, but she didn't reciprocate. I was misled. She is still married and lives with him. I waited 7 years. I'm heart broken. I had true love with someone and they walked away for shallow reasons. I'm taught them everything I knew, gave them everything I had, and am getting nothing at all in return out of all that. Seeing how unhappy I've been, my children really want nothing to do with anybody connected to Hare Krishna, and I understand. My ex, blaming me for this utter tragedy as she's more orthodox, uses it I suppose, for further reason to do as she's always done, nothing. I've been a truly single father for 7 years. No friends, no help, no wife, no nothing. Having now tried everything I can think of to no avail, including crying on this list several times, flying here and there for breaks, and like I said, just everything else, I'm just empty and lost now. I cannot move or function. I don't eat unless I go out. Which I don't do. I'm just dieing now. Decaying. I keep trying to make it change, new pills, new attitude, read the new recommended book sent by well meaning friend, try everything... nothing, because, I cannot believe that I am being left alone. I cannot. I gave my life in love to the center, and to everyone. That's the way I've always been. I don't live for me. I don't. I only live for the others I'm working with or serving. But I want to see them. That's what this has made me realize. I cannot go on working alone forever. And I need the love of a wife. I do. But it's been never, and that's been forever, and the pain is now an ocean in all directions for all time remembered, I've been floating in pain, making all my smile faced sincere attempts to appear normal and happy, and attract a spouse, but it's all BS. People are playing games, and being in illusion. You cannot be real and get a spouse. Woman of substance are incredibly rare, and rarer still, the right age, and attractive and into me. It's impossible it seems. But the lonliness anxiety is so intense I shiver, like as if I'm gettng parkinsons. I'm freaking out from it for years. I can't end it. There's no mechanism in this society for me. I've tried bars, dancing, ads, everything. That's all BS. It's not serious and real. I have no Church, don't want to fake it, no school, and nothing I want to study. I don't want to take yoga classes because who needs classes in Hatha Yoga? I don't. Faking it to see if there's anywoman there... I've done that. There isn't.. Well I can't spend my life going to classes incognito to see if my wife is there, and then what, engage in a very long relationship to educate this person into my reality, then watch them walk away with the learning while flipping me off like Bernadette is doing and has been doing for years. How come I can't find an angel with a decent chart the right age range who is right for me? Dear Krishna, uh, wake up and do your part here OK? And why oh my, has there been NO activity amongst real men with resources in my life, or woman with resources, for doing something serious about computerized research. You'd think nobody with money had an interest. I'm appalled. I'm appalled some rich Hindu hasn' contacted me SINCERELY. I've gotten the taking phone calls, yes. I am utterly dissapointed in life. I cannot be respectful towards anything, not Catholicism, no Hare Krishna (the movement), my family, my guru siblings, woman in my life, nothing. Nowhere and nothing is embracing me. I feel like I'm totally misplaced and unwanted. Except For you. Yes, my customers and readers, the people whom I've met through Jyotish, have been highly supportive of me. Yes, definitely. Major applause back at ya. Really. However. I can't see you. I cannot touch you. You are not in my life actually. You are very well wishing, Reiki-sending, even gift sending and definitely nice letters, phone calls, etc., and that's all nice, and many are even jealous, but really picture it. At the end of the day, it was just words on my screen, letters in the mail, calls on the phone, flowers at the door. I was the only one sitting there. There's nothing else there when the computer goes off. The phone ringer down, climb in bed alone, tick tock, another year, it's unreal. I've come to regard all the emails and phone calls as actually distractions only. No matter how nice or well wishing, they don't do anything for my pain. My pain is based on the fact that I actually cannot touch through to any one person as a wife, and find real quality returned. I cannot find a quality woman right for me. No matter how hard I try, I cannot. And I cannot seem to have or keep friends. Firstly, I find very people who are at all interesting. Then amongst them, few want to serve the mission. Everyone is really selfish and I can't believe it. It just gets weeded out so fast. There's nobody left. Why is it like this? In the seventies it seemed so many were going this way. Where'd they go? I feel so alone. It seems like everyone is either in their twenties and materialistic, or over 50 and new agey. Nobody around my age, serving God next to me, in a way I can relate to. The nicest woman I know, are followers of Amma, and I just cannot relate, sorry. I can't do another Guru. I cannot hear someone again glorifying some human like that, and in that case, they actually believe she's Durga. I just can't do this stuff anymore. The feet, the incense, the saris and pretentions. Oh my god. I just want a real person to do real life with me while I do real work. I need real love. I have come to totally hate life. I have to drag myself through it minute to minute. This is another one of my "last efforts" to raise something. I've tried so hard for so many years. I feel like I live on planet "stupid mud". That's what it should be named. Because everything and everybody moves like mud and is stupid. I'm a spiritual warrior, and I'm alone. Speaks for the times. I hate life now. I can't wait for something exciting to happen for me. I would die if I didn't have kids. Can't do that to them. Want lies, go elsewhere. Astro Lesson Portion --------------------- This is the voice of one in Saturn Rahu, and those two are conjunct in transit on my Nat-Sun and opposite Trans. Pluto. (end of lesson-take note though, pretty significant) I truly have no hope left. I'm so sad. Everything is falling apart for me. I wish I could turn this around. Thank you for tolerating me. I don't know why I'm different. I don't know why everything has gone this way. I don't know why nobody else is in total pain and freaking out and verbalizing it. This list is my only family, friends, venue. You're it. This is it. Don't think "take it to your family". Sorry, they don't get any of this. They're "Americans". That's it. Only. Period. Where are you? Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2002 Report Share Posted May 29, 2002 One member once admonished me: "When you complain, you hurt the newcomers especially. It's your duty to show them a good light on Vedic Studies..." or something like that. So the point is well received by me. Thanks. So here goes, since I complained, and this is the best I can do right now: I will never, ever, think, that there is actually anything of real substantial value for humans to put their attention towards which gives as much reward as the pursuit of divine knowledge, especially through the vedic paths, aided always by jyotish vidya, because, jyotish vidya is undeniable, above all of us, unique among vidyas. It alone proves many of the statements of the gita which are otherwise unproveable. Any real brahmin that has time should learn it to some degree to enhance his or her abilities and perceptions. Without properly understanding nature and this knowledge together, you cannot really understand the vedic conceptions of soul, karma, reincarnation, liberation, properly. I have seen many persons having their "sidhanta" (conclusions) incorrect because they had no clues about Jyotish. They said things that we Jyotish know are not possible actually. So, learn Jyotish, and learn Vedic things. Learn the etiquettes and ways, scriptures, everything. But above all always be loving. Give love. Be warm and kind. Do hot harm. Show life light and life, not darkness and death, and ye shall receive life and light. Oh, me, uh, yeah, well, hmmm... Maybe it's about shells breaking off? I love you. I'll be OK. It's Celt to Yell! Guru slashes illusions with the sword of knowledge ! (and Saturn/Rahu clobber Raghu with a thud) Attachment: (image/jpeg) slash_ignorance.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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