Guest guest Posted May 15, 2002 Report Share Posted May 15, 2002 Dear Vivek: Regarding "proving things" according to your interpretation - If you admit that Jyotish is not an empirical science where you do research and "prove" things, what is the point of your whole argument? How can you tell that your are not deluding yourself with some preconceived notion you have assimilated? Here's one I just made up - "I believe a person's sun sign at conception to be the moon sign at death." IMHO, Jyotish is in fact a fairly accurate science with lots of empirical value. CP >"Vivek " <keviv90 >gjlist >gjlist >[GJ] is it true? >15 May 2002 04:07:20 -0000 > >DEAR LIST MEMBERS,---I am surprised that so many people >misinterpreted my question.It seems that many people do not know >the distinction between LAGNA and MOON. >LAGNA is the sign ascending on the eastern horizon.It is > calculated using the concept of sidereal time. >MOON is the planet(or satellite of earth in astronomy) > which governs mind,mother,etc. >What exactly I meant is---- > LAGNA at conception=POSITION OF MOON at birth. >FOR EXAMPLE-- > AT THE TIME OF CONCEPTION > LAGNA 21'19 degrees saggitarius > moon 09'43 degrees cancer > > AT THE TIME OF BIRTH > lagna 15'14 degrees aries > MOON 21'19 degrees saggitarius > >I DID NOT MEAN THE FOLLOWING--- >(1) lagna is the same at the time of conception and birth >(2) the moon is at the same position at CONCEPTION and > BIRTH. >(3) The time between conception and birth is fixed and > exact in all cases.It does not vary. >(4) Karma applies from the time of conception. >(5) karma applies from the time of birth. >EVEN THOUGH I DID NOT MEAN ANY OF THE ABOVE,THIS IS HOW SOME >MEMBERS OF THE LIST INTERPRETED MY QUESTION.THE PROBLEM IS THAT >THE DISCUSSION SHIFTED TO OTHER TOPICS AND THE ORIGINAL QUESTION >DISAPPEARED. >Someone also asked--how can the exact time of conception be >proven?-----I did not even say that the exact time can be found >out.I just said that two things coincide. >REGARDING PROVING THINGS---vedic astrology is not an empirical >science where you do research and prove things. > It is transcendental knowledge or a divine science which has to >be accepted.---the eight house in a horoscope governs >longevity(everyone knows this) but can you prove it? >The original question is below.I hope someone can throw more light >on my question. >WITH BEST WISHES,VIVEK. > >On Sat, 11 May 2002 Vivek wrote : > >DEAR LIST MEMBERS--It seems my question has not been > >understood.There is a definite time of conception which is > >about > >280 days prior to birth.If one were to take into account the > >exact > >time and place of this conception and find the lagna(sign > >ascending on the east),--will it coincide with the position of > >the > >moon in the birth chart? > >For example---in my horoscope,the moon is at 3'15 degrees > >scorpio.therefore at the time of conception,the sign ascending > >on > >the east was 3'15 degrees scorpio. > >-------I remember reading this somewhere long back.I am not > >sure > >if it is true or not.----REGARDS,VIVEK. > > > >On Sun, 05 May 2002 Vivek wrote : > > >Dear list members, > > > I have heard that the position of the > >moon > > >in > > >the birth chart is the lagna at the time of conception---is > >it > > >true? > > >can the time of conception be calculated?--if so,what would > >be > > >the > > >significance of the conception chart? > > > best regards, > > > vivek. > > >_______ > > >Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in > >India > > >or > > >Abroad > > >http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > >: > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______ > >Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India > >or > >Abroad > >http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > >_______ >Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or >Abroad >http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 Dear Cynthia: I 'm glad the discussion didn't go into venom either. No need for that is there? Interesting what your husband the statician had to say about Gauquelin's research being tainted...I can't remember which is inverted logic and which is the other branch of it--deductive? logic? Something about God is Love, Love is Blind, Stevie Wonder Is blind, so Stevie Wonder is God, kind of thinking...I'm trying to ask here, if what your husband said about Gauquelin being influenced by knowing these folks occupation already therefore biasing what he found would be looked at the same way by other staticians....I'm clueless on it, just wondering . I know they have standard formulas they use, but always the same angles of vison, too? Like I said, I'm clueless. ------------------- Dear Chandra Devi: Glad you're enjoying the discussion, even if I'm not sure why..whatever keeps one's feather's nice and fluffy. --------------------------- Dear Chris Parnell, Wow! What a tale you have to tell, not that it's necessarily going to come out on this discussion line...As a priest, who was your flock, since you were deaf? Are you stone deaf, then? Did you only or largely deal with the deaf community, or everyone who was Catholic? So many people who come from a Catholic tradition and become Hindu have such an intense dislike for the Catholic Chirch afterward..did this happen to you as well? I came from a Catholic tradition too, but I don't hate the church--probably b/c I had more dealing and exposure to the down side of Protestant fundementalism than to Catholic conservatism in my life, so far. About the closest I've come to anything regarding it, is that I still like to read Andrew Greeley novels of the "perfect" Irish Catholic world in the US...Nice stories about God is love, rather than "where's the switch to thre trap door the nun's keep telling the kids about.." Which branch of Hinduism did yo go into? I remember reading of one Indian -origin Catholic priest in India recently who became Hindu. He had said he was viewing so much corruption in the heirarchy of the Catholic Church there in India and combined with his personal views, he became a Hindu, like his ancestors....<sigh> Somehow, and from what I hear too, Catholics don't hold the exclusive "right" to corruption. No one does, really. Truly Best Wishes To You All, Denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 Dear Deni I can't really answer your question about other statisticians. I haven't talked to him about it for some time. As I recall, the crux of it lies in this question: "Does the person who is looking have something in particular in mind to find?" If the answer is yes then the search may well be biased. I know that G,. searched the charts of famous actors and athletes. Then, he compared them to the "average" person. The issues would be how did he determine the "average" person, etc. Again, I don't claim to speak for all statisticians. I toyed for a time with actually doing a statistically sound questionnaire / survey but the time that would take would be huge. I still claim that it would be easiest to do this with merely a birth date by using the Sun and transits by Saturn and the outer planet transits. There would be key questions built into a rather general questionnaire and it could be rather easy to compare the answers made by someone who has Saturn transiting his Sun to those who do not. Likewise, there are characteristics of Neptune, Uranus and Pluto transits to the Sun that you can pretty much take to the bank. This would avoid the likelihood of having a wrong time of birth given, simply to fill in the blank. To be valid you would need to do a large survey of a cross-section of the population. 1000 people of differing ages, sexes, education etc. Well, you get the idea. This would be huge and the questions would need to be written clearly so the person answering did not feel that there was a right or wrong answer, I forget how many questions there needs to be for it to be valuable. The whole point to to keep the questionnaire unbiased while surveying to see what you get. To simply look at the chart of folks who come to astrologers already has a built in bias. Are you eyes crosssing yet? Mine are so this is why I never did it. If anyone out there is interested in taking up the cause you may use my idea just let me know what you find. In the meantime I have my newsletter to write and clients to see and my rose garden keeps seducing me out the door. c - Denise Notley <venerablebede <gjlist> Friday, May 17, 2002 12:08 PM [GJ] Is it true? > > Dear Cynthia: > > I 'm glad the discussion didn't go into venom either. No need for that is > there? > > Interesting what your husband the statician had to say about Gauquelin's > research being tainted...I can't remember which is inverted logic and which > is the other branch of it--deductive? logic? > > > Something about God is Love, Love is Blind, Stevie Wonder Is blind, so > Stevie Wonder is God, kind of thinking...I'm trying to ask here, if what > your husband said about Gauquelin being influenced by knowing these folks > occupation already therefore biasing what he found would be looked at the > same way by other staticians....I'm clueless on it, just wondering . I know > they have standard formulas they use, but always the same angles of vison, > too? Like I said, I'm clueless. > > ------------------- > Dear Chandra Devi: > > Glad you're enjoying the discussion, even if I'm not sure why..whatever > keeps one's feather's nice and fluffy. > > > --------------------------- > > Dear Chris Parnell, > > Wow! What a tale you have to tell, not that it's necessarily going to come > out on this discussion line...As a priest, who was your flock, since you > were deaf? Are you stone deaf, then? Did you only or largely deal with the > deaf community, or everyone who was Catholic? > > So many people who come from a Catholic tradition and become Hindu have such > an intense dislike for the Catholic Chirch afterward..did this happen to you > as well? I came from a Catholic tradition too, but I don't hate the > church--probably b/c I had more dealing and exposure to the down side of > Protestant fundementalism than to Catholic conservatism in my life, so far. > About the closest I've come to anything regarding it, is that I still like > to read Andrew Greeley novels of the "perfect" Irish Catholic world in the > US...Nice stories about God is love, rather than "where's the switch to thre > trap door the nun's keep telling the kids about.." > > Which branch of Hinduism did yo go into? I remember reading of one Indian > -origin Catholic priest in India recently who became Hindu. He had said he > was viewing so much corruption in the heirarchy of the Catholic Church there > in India and combined with his personal views, he became a Hindu, like his > ancestors....<sigh> Somehow, and from what I hear too, Catholics don't hold > the exclusive "right" to corruption. No one does, really. > > Truly Best Wishes To You All, > > Denise > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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