Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 Vivek, Babies are born prematurely all the time, as well as late. (What is it now? 26 or 28 weeks from assumed conception, and they can survive outside the womb? But not well--likely to be handicapped in some ways..) Also there IS no standard time on how long it takes for spermazoa to reach and eg..depends a great deal on the interior conditions, dear..if the woman is in a highly fertile stage, it's a matter of minutes before conception takes place, then a couple of days for the egg to reach the uterus and emplant. Sperm can remain in the vagina for as long as eight days before the egg is released and then take off...it's not the usual thing, nessesarily, but it's physically possible...Usually they die faster than that, due to the woman's ph..So for someone to postulate that every birth is exactly so many days from conception is erroneous. It's only an average. Best Wishes, Denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2002 Report Share Posted May 12, 2002 DEAR CYNTHIA,--I did not say that the conception lagna and birth lagna match.I said that the conception lagna and birth moon match.I remember reading this somewhere -- --VIVEK. On Sat, 11 May 2002 cynthia novak wrote : >Dear Vivek > >I have not read anything like this is Vedic astrology. Somewhere >in the >back of my memory I do recall that Cyril Fagan, a sidereal >astrologer, wrote >about the conception chart. I might be wrong. I think he also >wrote quite >a bit about the prenatal eclipse. > >It does not seem likely that the conception lagna and the birth >lagna would >match exactly. I have not seen anything in life to work that >perfectly. ><great grins> cynthia > > >- > Vivek <keviv90 ><gjlist> >Friday, May 10, 2002 10:40 PM >Re: [GJ] is it true? > > > > DEAR LIST MEMBERS--It seems my question has not been > > understood.There is a definite time of conception which is >about > > 280 days prior to birth.If one were to take into account the >exact > > time and place of this conception and find the lagna(sign > > ascending on the east),--will it coincide with the position of >the > > moon in the birth chart? > > For example---in my horoscope,the moon is at 3'15 degrees > > scorpio.therefore at the time of conception,the sign ascending >on > > the east was 3'15 degrees scorpio. > > -------I remember reading this somewhere long back.I am not >sure > > if it is true or not.----REGARDS,VIVEK. > > > > On Sun, 05 May 2002 Vivek wrote : > > >Dear list members, > > > I have heard that the position of the >moon > > >in > > >the birth chart is the lagna at the time of conception---is >it > > >true? > > >can the time of conception be calculated?--if so,what would >be > > >the > > >significance of the conception chart? > > > best regards, > > > vivek. > > >_______ > > >Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in >India > > >or > > >Abroad > > >http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > >: > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______ > > Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India >or > > Abroad > > http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : >gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > _______ Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or Abroad http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2002 Report Share Posted May 12, 2002 Did I say that birth is exactly so many days from conception? I don't remember writing anything like that. Please read my message again and try to understand what exactly I meant.---vivek. On Sun, 12 May 2002 Denise Notley wrote : >Vivek, > >Babies are born prematurely all the time, as well as late. (What >is it now? >26 or 28 weeks from assumed conception, and they can survive >outside the >womb? But not well--likely to be handicapped in some ways..) > >Also there IS no standard time on how long it takes for spermazoa >to reach >and eg..depends a great deal on the interior conditions, dear..if >the woman >is in a highly fertile stage, it's a matter of minutes before >conception >takes place, then a couple of days for the egg to reach the >uterus and >emplant. Sperm can remain in the vagina for as long as eight >days before >the egg is released and then take off...it's not the usual >thing, >nessesarily, but it's physically possible...Usually they die >faster than >that, due to the woman's ph..So for someone to postulate that >every birth is >exactly so many days from conception is erroneous. It's only an >average. > >Best Wishes, >Denise > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > _______ Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or Abroad http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2002 Report Share Posted May 12, 2002 If karma manifests only after birth(when the umblical cord is cut),what have you got to say about abortion, where the child is murdered in the womb itself? Anyway all this has nothing to do with what I had asked. You have not understood the question itself.--vivek. On Sun, 12 May 2002 fas fas wrote : >Dear Vivek, > >I read it in the (scripture) Srimadbhagvatam that the birth of a >body is >considered when the emblic cord is cut. That is the time that >the body >beocmes independent and falls under the influence of mother >nature including >planets. An other words that is the time the karma manifests. >Prior to >that, the body is still in the womb of the mother heavily >influenced by the >mother's internal enviornment. Thus, the body's own karma from >the previous >life are in dormant stage. I hope that it makes some sense to >the readers. >If not, please accept my appology and disregard it. OM TAT >SAT. > > > >"cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > >gjlist > ><gjlist> > >Re: [GJ] is it true? > >Sat, 11 May 2002 09:41:19 -0500 > > > >Dear Vivek > > > >I have not read anything like this is Vedic astrology. >Somewhere in the > >back of my memory I do recall that Cyril Fagan, a sidereal >astrologer, > >wrote > >about the conception chart. I might be wrong. I think he also >wrote quite > >a bit about the prenatal eclipse. > > > >It does not seem likely that the conception lagna and the birth >lagna would > >match exactly. I have not seen anything in life to work that >perfectly. > ><great grins> cynthia > > > > > >- > >Vivek <keviv90 > ><gjlist> > >Friday, May 10, 2002 10:40 PM > >Re: [GJ] is it true? > > > > > > > DEAR LIST MEMBERS--It seems my question has not been > > > understood.There is a definite time of conception which is >about > > > 280 days prior to birth.If one were to take into account the >exact > > > time and place of this conception and find the lagna(sign > > > ascending on the east),--will it coincide with the position >of the > > > moon in the birth chart? > > > For example---in my horoscope,the moon is at 3'15 degrees > > > scorpio.therefore at the time of conception,the sign >ascending on > > > the east was 3'15 degrees scorpio. > > > -------I remember reading this somewhere long back.I am not >sure > > > if it is true or not.----REGARDS,VIVEK. > > > > > > On Sun, 05 May 2002 Vivek wrote : > > > >Dear list members, > > > > I have heard that the position of the >moon > > > >in > > > >the birth chart is the lagna at the time of conception---is >it > > > >true? > > > >can the time of conception be calculated?--if so,what would >be > > > >the > > > >significance of the conception chart? > > > > best regards, > > > > vivek. > > > >_______ > > > >Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in >India > > > >or > > > >Abroad > > > >http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > >: > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______ > > > Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in >India or > > > Abroad > > > http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > >_______________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > _______ Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or Abroad http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2002 Report Share Posted May 12, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ------------------ Dear Vivek, I was taught that its Jamna Moon is in Kendra to Adhana Moon. Also Jamna Lagna is in 7th from Adhana Lagna.. why? because 7th shows the doorway. Yes the Adhana Chart should give a MUCH clearer picture of the Karma inherited. Best wishes, Visti. > If karma manifests only after birth(when the umblical cord is > cut),what have you got to say about abortion, > where the child is murdered in the womb itself? > Anyway all this has nothing to do with what I had asked. > You have not understood the question itself.--vivek. > > On Sun, 12 May 2002 fas fas wrote : > >Dear Vivek, > > > >I read it in the (scripture) Srimadbhagvatam that the birth of a > >body is > >considered when the emblic cord is cut. That is the time that > >the body > >beocmes independent and falls under the influence of mother > >nature including > >planets. An other words that is the time the karma manifests. > >Prior to > >that, the body is still in the womb of the mother heavily > >influenced by the > >mother's internal enviornment. Thus, the body's own karma from > >the previous > >life are in dormant stage. I hope that it makes some sense to > >the readers. > >If not, please accept my appology and disregard it. OM TAT > >SAT. > > > > > > >"cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > > >gjlist > > ><gjlist> > > >Re: [GJ] is it true? > > >Sat, 11 May 2002 09:41:19 -0500 > > > > > >Dear Vivek > > > > > >I have not read anything like this is Vedic astrology. > >Somewhere in the > > >back of my memory I do recall that Cyril Fagan, a sidereal > >astrologer, > > >wrote > > >about the conception chart. I might be wrong. I think he also > >wrote quite > > >a bit about the prenatal eclipse. > > > > > >It does not seem likely that the conception lagna and the birth > >lagna would > > >match exactly. I have not seen anything in life to work that > >perfectly. > > ><great grins> cynthia > > > > > > > > >- > > >Vivek <keviv90 > > ><gjlist> > > >Friday, May 10, 2002 10:40 PM > > >Re: [GJ] is it true? > > > > > > > > > > DEAR LIST MEMBERS--It seems my question has not been > > > > understood.There is a definite time of conception which is > >about > > > > 280 days prior to birth.If one were to take into account the > >exact > > > > time and place of this conception and find the lagna(sign > > > > ascending on the east),--will it coincide with the position > >of the > > > > moon in the birth chart? > > > > For example---in my horoscope,the moon is at 3'15 degrees > > > > scorpio.therefore at the time of conception,the sign > >ascending on > > > > the east was 3'15 degrees scorpio. > > > > -------I remember reading this somewhere long back.I am not > >sure > > > > if it is true or not.----REGARDS,VIVEK. > > > > > > > > On Sun, 05 May 2002 Vivek wrote : > > > > >Dear list members, > > > > > I have heard that the position of the > >moon > > > > >in > > > > >the birth chart is the lagna at the time of conception-- -is > >it > > > > >true? > > > > >can the time of conception be calculated?--if so,what would > >be > > > > >the > > > > >significance of the conception chart? > > > > > best regards, > > > > > vivek. > > > > >_______ > > > > >Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in > >India > > > > >or > > > > >Abroad > > > > >http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > >: > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______ > > > > Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in > >India or > > > > Abroad > > > > http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > : > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > >: > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >______________ _ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > _______ > Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or > Abroad > http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2002 Report Share Posted May 12, 2002 Yes, it is true that the life does begin at the conception and the abortion is murdered, no doubt? But the karma only manifests in the gross material body when it develops and comes out of the womb. To enjoy or to suffer, the living entity must have a gross body and then only the law of karma takes place. If there is no gross body available to that living entity, all the karmas are stored in the chakras which are carried by the subtle body of that entity. I am just trying to answer according to the flow of the question. Thanks again for reading my comments..... Regards.......Amar. >"Vivek " <keviv90 >gjlist >gjlist >Re: Re: [GJ] is it true? >12 May 2002 07:53:40 -0000 > >If karma manifests only after birth(when the umblical cord is >cut),what have you got to say about abortion, >where the child is murdered in the womb itself? >Anyway all this has nothing to do with what I had asked. >You have not understood the question itself.--vivek. > >On Sun, 12 May 2002 fas fas wrote : > >Dear Vivek, > > > >I read it in the (scripture) Srimadbhagvatam that the birth of a > >body is > >considered when the emblic cord is cut. That is the time that > >the body > >beocmes independent and falls under the influence of mother > >nature including > >planets. An other words that is the time the karma manifests. > >Prior to > >that, the body is still in the womb of the mother heavily > >influenced by the > >mother's internal enviornment. Thus, the body's own karma from > >the previous > >life are in dormant stage. I hope that it makes some sense to > >the readers. > >If not, please accept my appology and disregard it. OM TAT > >SAT. > > > > > > >"cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > > >gjlist > > ><gjlist> > > >Re: [GJ] is it true? > > >Sat, 11 May 2002 09:41:19 -0500 > > > > > >Dear Vivek > > > > > >I have not read anything like this is Vedic astrology. > >Somewhere in the > > >back of my memory I do recall that Cyril Fagan, a sidereal > >astrologer, > > >wrote > > >about the conception chart. I might be wrong. I think he also > >wrote quite > > >a bit about the prenatal eclipse. > > > > > >It does not seem likely that the conception lagna and the birth > >lagna would > > >match exactly. I have not seen anything in life to work that > >perfectly. > > ><great grins> cynthia > > > > > > > > >- > > >Vivek <keviv90 > > ><gjlist> > > >Friday, May 10, 2002 10:40 PM > > >Re: [GJ] is it true? > > > > > > > > > > DEAR LIST MEMBERS--It seems my question has not been > > > > understood.There is a definite time of conception which is > >about > > > > 280 days prior to birth.If one were to take into account the > >exact > > > > time and place of this conception and find the lagna(sign > > > > ascending on the east),--will it coincide with the position > >of the > > > > moon in the birth chart? > > > > For example---in my horoscope,the moon is at 3'15 degrees > > > > scorpio.therefore at the time of conception,the sign > >ascending on > > > > the east was 3'15 degrees scorpio. > > > > -------I remember reading this somewhere long back.I am not > >sure > > > > if it is true or not.----REGARDS,VIVEK. > > > > > > > > On Sun, 05 May 2002 Vivek wrote : > > > > >Dear list members, > > > > > I have heard that the position of the > >moon > > > > >in > > > > >the birth chart is the lagna at the time of conception---is > >it > > > > >true? > > > > >can the time of conception be calculated?--if so,what would > >be > > > > >the > > > > >significance of the conception chart? > > > > > best regards, > > > > > vivek. > > > > >_______ > > > > >Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in > >India > > > > >or > > > > >Abroad > > > > >http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > >: > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______ > > > > Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in > >India or > > > > Abroad > > > > http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > : > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > >: > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > >_______ >Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or >Abroad >http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2002 Report Share Posted May 12, 2002 Hare Krishna, If I have understood the discussion, there are two completely different queries. 1)From Vivek:Is the moon sign during the time of conception the same as the moon sign when the baby is born? In my humble opinion, this is very difficult to determine as the time of conception in most cases is very difficult to arrive at.Even among cases where the couple have followed vedic samskaras and have engaged in procreation on a day and time thats very identifiable, the time of conception is very difficult to arrive at, because there is a 72 hr period within which this can take place after the act. But that shouldnt pose a problem in arriving at astrological conclusions because, its my belief that our seers have written/spoken trhe rules with regard to inhalation or prana of air by the living entity. I remember reading that the time or kala is broken down from Maha Dasa, Bukthi,ANtara etc. right down to one inhalation or exhalation. If that is the case then our seers were definitely referring to a living entity that is independent of its mothers womb. 2)Does a living entity start enjoying or suffering Karma from the conception or is it only after the severing of the umbilical cord? The second topic is a lot easier as there is direct scriptural reference.The Sri Srimad Bhagvatham has extensively discussed the life or Karma of the living entity within the womb, in Lord Kapila's discourses to His mother Devahuti. From the discussion one can understand that the living entity is conscious within the womb and being helplessly held in the most uncomfortable foetal position, bitten by different worms, and yet helpless.The living entity then prays to the Supreme Personality of Godhead begging for mercy and forgivance and requesting that he/she not be thrust into the material world again or atleast would lead a life that can bring the person back to Godhead.But, the force of the process of human birth is such that all memory of this suffering is lost and we as living entities forget all our past suffering and indulge in sense gratification again and yet again. So, the suffering of the living entity starts right from the time of conception.Even pregnancies can be influenced by the Karma of the unborn child, if not how does one explain abortions? But in my humble opinion vedic astrology deals with the Karma of the living entity after they take their first breath of air. Please feel free to comment or crticise my opinion. Hare Krishna Sudhar gjlist, "fas fas" <foreignersassistance@h...> wrote: > Yes, it is true that the life does begin at the conception and the abortion > is murdered, no doubt? But the karma only manifests in the gross material > body when it develops and comes out of the womb. To enjoy or to suffer, the > living entity must have a gross body and then only the law of karma takes > place. If there is no gross body available to that living entity, all the > karmas are stored in the chakras which are carried by the subtle body of > that entity. I am just trying to answer according to the flow of the > question. Thanks again for reading my comments..... Regards.......Amar. > > > >"Vivek " <keviv90@r...> > >gjlist > >gjlist > >Re: Re: [GJ] is it true? > >12 May 2002 07:53:40 -0000 > > > >If karma manifests only after birth(when the umblical cord is > >cut),what have you got to say about abortion, > >where the child is murdered in the womb itself? > >Anyway all this has nothing to do with what I had asked. > >You have not understood the question itself.--vivek. > > > >On Sun, 12 May 2002 fas fas wrote : > > >Dear Vivek, > > > > > >I read it in the (scripture) Srimadbhagvatam that the birth of a > > >body is > > >considered when the emblic cord is cut. That is the time that > > >the body > > >beocmes independent and falls under the influence of mother > > >nature including > > >planets. An other words that is the time the karma manifests. > > >Prior to > > >that, the body is still in the womb of the mother heavily > > >influenced by the > > >mother's internal enviornment. Thus, the body's own karma from > > >the previous > > >life are in dormant stage. I hope that it makes some sense to > > >the readers. > > >If not, please accept my appology and disregard it. OM TAT > > >SAT. > > > > > > > > > >"cynthia novak" <c.a.novak@w...> > > > >gjlist > > > ><gjlist> > > > >Re: [GJ] is it true? > > > >Sat, 11 May 2002 09:41:19 -0500 > > > > > > > >Dear Vivek > > > > > > > >I have not read anything like this is Vedic astrology. > > >Somewhere in the > > > >back of my memory I do recall that Cyril Fagan, a sidereal > > >astrologer, > > > >wrote > > > >about the conception chart. I might be wrong. I think he also > > >wrote quite > > > >a bit about the prenatal eclipse. > > > > > > > >It does not seem likely that the conception lagna and the birth > > >lagna would > > > >match exactly. I have not seen anything in life to work that > > >perfectly. > > > ><great grins> cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > >Vivek <keviv90@r...> > > > ><gjlist> > > > >Friday, May 10, 2002 10:40 PM > > > >Re: [GJ] is it true? > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR LIST MEMBERS--It seems my question has not been > > > > > understood.There is a definite time of conception which is > > >about > > > > > 280 days prior to birth.If one were to take into account the > > >exact > > > > > time and place of this conception and find the lagna(sign > > > > > ascending on the east),--will it coincide with the position > > >of the > > > > > moon in the birth chart? > > > > > For example---in my horoscope,the moon is at 3'15 degrees > > > > > scorpio.therefore at the time of conception,the sign > > >ascending on > > > > > the east was 3'15 degrees scorpio. > > > > > -------I remember reading this somewhere long back.I am not > > >sure > > > > > if it is true or not.----REGARDS,VIVEK. > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 05 May 2002 Vivek wrote : > > > > > >Dear list members, > > > > > > I have heard that the position of the > > >moon > > > > > >in > > > > > >the birth chart is the lagna at the time of conception---is > > >it > > > > > >true? > > > > > >can the time of conception be calculated?--if so,what would > > >be > > > > > >the > > > > > >significance of the conception chart? > > > > > > best regards, > > > > > > vivek. > > > > > >_______ > > > > > >Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in > > >India > > > > > >or > > > > > >Abroad > > > > > >http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > > >: > > > > > >gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______ > > > > > Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in > > >India or > > > > > Abroad > > > > > http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > > : > > >gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > >: > > >gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________ > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > >: > > >gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______ > >Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or > >Abroad > >http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > _______________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2002 Report Share Posted May 12, 2002 Dear Sudhar prabhu, Thank you very much for your informative comments which is highly appreciated. With best regards.....Amar.... Hare Bol...OM TAT SAT. >"sudhar108" <sudhar108 >gjlist >gjlist >Re: [GJ] is it true? >Sun, 12 May 2002 16:50:19 -0000 > >Hare Krishna, >If I have understood the discussion, there are two completely >different queries. >1)From Vivek:Is the moon sign during the time of conception the same >as the moon sign when the baby is born? >In my humble opinion, this is very difficult to determine as the time >of conception in most cases is very difficult to arrive at.Even among >cases where the couple have followed vedic samskaras and have engaged >in procreation on a day and time thats very identifiable, the time of >conception is very difficult to arrive at, because there is a 72 hr >period within which this can take place after the act. > >But that shouldnt pose a problem in arriving at astrological >conclusions because, its my belief that our seers have written/spoken >trhe rules with regard to inhalation or prana of air by the living >entity. I remember reading that the time or kala is broken down from >Maha Dasa, Bukthi,ANtara etc. right down to one inhalation or >exhalation. If that is the case then our seers were definitely >referring to a living entity that is independent of its mothers womb. > >2)Does a living entity start enjoying or suffering Karma from the >conception or is it only after the severing of the umbilical cord? >The second topic is a lot easier as there is direct scriptural >reference.The Sri Srimad Bhagvatham has extensively discussed the >life or Karma of the living entity within the womb, in Lord Kapila's >discourses to His mother Devahuti. From the discussion one can >understand that the living entity is conscious within the womb and >being helplessly held in the most uncomfortable foetal position, >bitten by different worms, and yet helpless.The living entity then >prays to the Supreme Personality of Godhead begging for mercy and >forgivance and requesting that he/she not be thrust into the material >world again or atleast would lead a life that can bring the person >back to Godhead.But, the force of the process of human birth is such >that all memory of this suffering is lost and we as living entities >forget all our past suffering and indulge in sense gratification >again and yet again. >So, the suffering of the living entity starts right from the time of >conception.Even pregnancies can be influenced by the Karma of the >unborn child, if not how does one explain abortions? > >But in my humble opinion vedic astrology deals with the Karma of the >living entity after they take their first breath of air. > >Please feel free to comment or crticise my opinion. > >Hare Krishna > >Sudhar > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist, "fas fas" <foreignersassistance@h...> wrote: > > Yes, it is true that the life does begin at the conception and the >abortion > > is murdered, no doubt? But the karma only manifests in the gross >material > > body when it develops and comes out of the womb. To enjoy or to >suffer, the > > living entity must have a gross body and then only the law of karma >takes > > place. If there is no gross body available to that living entity, >all the > > karmas are stored in the chakras which are carried by the subtle >body of > > that entity. I am just trying to answer according to the flow of >the > > question. Thanks again for reading my comments..... >Regards.......Amar. > > > > > > >"Vivek " <keviv90@r...> > > >gjlist > > >gjlist > > >Re: Re: [GJ] is it true? > > >12 May 2002 07:53:40 -0000 > > > > > >If karma manifests only after birth(when the umblical cord is > > >cut),what have you got to say about abortion, > > >where the child is murdered in the womb itself? > > >Anyway all this has nothing to do with what I had asked. > > >You have not understood the question itself.--vivek. > > > > > >On Sun, 12 May 2002 fas fas wrote : > > > >Dear Vivek, > > > > > > > >I read it in the (scripture) Srimadbhagvatam that the birth of a > > > >body is > > > >considered when the emblic cord is cut. That is the time that > > > >the body > > > >beocmes independent and falls under the influence of mother > > > >nature including > > > >planets. An other words that is the time the karma manifests. > > > >Prior to > > > >that, the body is still in the womb of the mother heavily > > > >influenced by the > > > >mother's internal enviornment. Thus, the body's own karma from > > > >the previous > > > >life are in dormant stage. I hope that it makes some sense to > > > >the readers. > > > >If not, please accept my appology and disregard it. OM TAT > > > >SAT. > > > > > > > > > > > > >"cynthia novak" <c.a.novak@w...> > > > > >gjlist > > > > ><gjlist> > > > > >Re: [GJ] is it true? > > > > >Sat, 11 May 2002 09:41:19 -0500 > > > > > > > > > >Dear Vivek > > > > > > > > > >I have not read anything like this is Vedic astrology. > > > >Somewhere in the > > > > >back of my memory I do recall that Cyril Fagan, a sidereal > > > >astrologer, > > > > >wrote > > > > >about the conception chart. I might be wrong. I think he also > > > >wrote quite > > > > >a bit about the prenatal eclipse. > > > > > > > > > >It does not seem likely that the conception lagna and the birth > > > >lagna would > > > > >match exactly. I have not seen anything in life to work that > > > >perfectly. > > > > ><great grins> cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > >Vivek <keviv90@r...> > > > > ><gjlist> > > > > >Friday, May 10, 2002 10:40 PM > > > > >Re: [GJ] is it true? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR LIST MEMBERS--It seems my question has not been > > > > > > understood.There is a definite time of conception which is > > > >about > > > > > > 280 days prior to birth.If one were to take into account the > > > >exact > > > > > > time and place of this conception and find the lagna(sign > > > > > > ascending on the east),--will it coincide with the position > > > >of the > > > > > > moon in the birth chart? > > > > > > For example---in my horoscope,the moon is at 3'15 degrees > > > > > > scorpio.therefore at the time of conception,the sign > > > >ascending on > > > > > > the east was 3'15 degrees scorpio. > > > > > > -------I remember reading this somewhere long back.I am not > > > >sure > > > > > > if it is true or not.----REGARDS,VIVEK. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 05 May 2002 Vivek wrote : > > > > > > >Dear list members, > > > > > > > I have heard that the position of the > > > >moon > > > > > > >in > > > > > > >the birth chart is the lagna at the time of conception---is > > > >it > > > > > > >true? > > > > > > >can the time of conception be calculated?--if so,what would > > > >be > > > > > > >the > > > > > > >significance of the conception chart? > > > > > > > best regards, > > > > > > > vivek. > > > > > > >_______ > > > > > > >Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in > > > >India > > > > > > >or > > > > > > >Abroad > > > > > > >http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > > > >: > > > > > > >gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______ > > > > > > Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in > > > >India or > > > > > > Abroad > > > > > > http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > > > : > > > >gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > >: > > > >gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________ > > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > >: > > > >gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______ > > >Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or > > >Abroad > > >http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > >: gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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