Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 DEAR GEE SUNN--On the website you have suggested,I found the same story I have mentioned below.click in the following order magazine--horoscope--famous people--osho.-----------BEST REGARDS,VIVEK. On Thu, 02 May 2002 Vivek wrote : >dear gee sunn,--I have read the book "Beyond enlightenment".It >contains lectures given by osho. >In one lecture he tells about an astrologer whom he >challenged.osho told the guy"astrology will not work with > me".The astrologer said that there are no exceptions upon >which >he challenged the astrologer asking him to predict one dozen >things which he(osho) would be doing in the next one year and >said >that he would deliberately >do the opposite to prove astrology wrong. >In the same book,in another lecture,he criticizes Iskcon >devotees.---I will not like to repeat what he says,it is >offending. >I will have a look at the website you have suggested.also >thanks >for supplying osho's birth details. >-------best wishes,vivek. > >On Wed, 01 May 2002 Gee Sunn wrote : > >Hi Vivek, > > > >Have you read any of Osho's works? > > > >What the rumors say and what it is are > >two different things. > > > >A while back Mony Singh featured two articles > >of Osho's talks on astrology in his web site. > > > >They still can be accessed at; > > > >www.osho.com/...oken=27205691 > > > >He only ridiculed the quack astrologers. > > > >His birth datas are; > > > > Sri Bhagwan Rajneesh > > Dec 11, 1931 > > 5:30 pm > > Gadawara, India > > > >Hari Om > >Hari Das > > > >---------- > > >"Vivek " <keviv90 > > >gjlist > > >Re: Re: [GJ] about MAYA > > >Wed, May 1, 2002, 6:34 AM > > > > > > > > Hi gee sun, > > > I read both your messages.thanks for sending all that. > > > I would however like to point out that Osho did not >believe > >in > > > astrology.He ridiculed it a number of times. > > > He was also against all scriptures including the vedas and > >Bhagvad > > > Gita.His philosophy was a kind of voidism or > > > something like Buddhism. > > > with regards,vivek. > > > hi everyone---does anybody have osho's horoscope?it should >be > >an > > > intresting one to study. > > > > > > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 Gee Sunn wrote : > > >>Hi Vivek, > > >> > > >>This is the second part of Osho's > > >>Tantra Vision: The door to nirvana; > > >> > > >>Saraha says > > >>By what does not affect one > > >>How can one now be fettered? > > >> > > >>And the last sutra is of great beauty. > > >>When you really come home and you see what is, > > >>yu will not feel that you have become liberated. > > >>On the contrary, you will feel 'How ridiculous > > >>that i ever thought that i was not liberated.' > > >>The difference is great. > > >> > > >>If, when you come home, when you come to > > >>know what is, you start feeling very, very > > >>enhanced and you are in a very great euphoria, > > >>and you say 'Now i have become liberated, that > > >>means you are not liberated. > > >>That means you still think the bondage was real, > > >>that means you are still in a dream. > > >>Now in another dream: One dream was of bondage, > > >>this other dream is of liberation- but another > > >>dream again. > > >> > > >>Saraha says: When you really become liberated- > > >>liberated from all right and wrong, liberated > > >> from all good and bad- then you are not only > > >>liberated from bondage but from liberation itself. > > >>Then suddenly you start laughing. > > >>'How ridiculous! The bondage cannot happen in the > > >>first place, the bondage had never happened! > > >>It was just a belief. I had believed in it, and > > >>i had created it through my belief. > > >>It was a dream; now the dream is over. > > >> > > >>That's why the last sentence ends on a question > > >>mark. > > >>Have you ever seen scripture ending on a > > >>question mark? > > >>This is the only one. > > >>I have not come across any other. > > >>Scriptures begin with a question mark and > > >>end with an answer. > > >>The introduction can be a question not the > > >>epilogue. > > >>But this beautiful song of Saraha ends on > > >>a question mark. > > >> > > >>'If i am like a pig that covets > > >>worldly mire > > >>You must tell me what fault lies > > >>in a stainless mind. > > >>By what does not affect one > > >>How can one now be fettered?' > > >> > > >>He does not declare that he is enlightened. > > >>He does not declare that he is liberated. > > >>He does not declare that he has come home. > > >>He simply says: i laugh at the very idea i have > > >>gone anywhere. I have never gone anywhere. > > >>I have, always and always, been at my home. > > >>I have always been here and now. > > >>Only i was dreaming, so the dream created the > > >>illusion that i had gone somewhere. > > >>Now the dream has disappeared, and i am where > > >>i have always been. > > >> > > >>That's why he says > > >>How can one now be fettered? > > >> > > >>Nobody is there to be fettered; nothing is > > >>there to fetter. The bondage has disappeared, > > >>so has disappeared the man was in bondage. > > >>When the world disappears, the ego disappears- > > >>together; they are part of the same game. > > >>Inside is the ego, outside is the world. > > >>They cannot live apart; they are always together. > > >>When one disappears, the other disappears > > >>simultaneously. > > >>Now the ego is not there, and the world is not > > >>there. > > >> > > >>Saraha is propounding Buddha's great insight. > > >>Buddha says: There is no substance and there > > >>is no self. > > >>Substance is not there; all is empty. > > >>And the self is not inside you, there also it > > >>is all empty. > > >>To come to see this emptiness.. awareness floating > > >>in emptiness- pure awareness, unbounded awareness.. > > >> > > >>This awareness is emptiness itself, or this > > >>emptness is awareness itself. > > >>This emptiness is luminous with awareness, > > >>full of awareness. > > >> > > >>Tantra is a great insight into things as they > > >>really are. > > >>But remember, finally, it is not a philosophy, > > >>it is an insight. > > >>And if you want to go into it, you will have to > > >>go, not through the mind, but without the mind. > > >> > > >>No mind is the door to Tantra. > > >>Non-thinking is the way to Tantra. > > >>Experiencing is the key to Tantra. > > >> > > >>Jai Osho! > > >>Hari Das > > >> > > >>Does anybody want to comment on astrological > > >>factors for making a Tantrika? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>---------- > > >> >"Vivek " <keviv90 > > >> >gjlist > > >> >[GJ] about MAYA > > >> >Wed, Apr 24, 2002, 5:01 AM > > >> > > > >> > > >> > Dear list members, > > >> > I have often wondered about >this.----- > > >> > material energy is referred to as illusory energy and > >MAYA > > >>is > > >> > defined as 'that which is not'.---Does this mean that >in > >an > > >> > absolute sense,matter does not exist? > > >> > Let me illustrate my point with an example----let us >say > > >> > a person dreams that a tiger is pouncing on him and >wakes > >up > > >>in > > >> > fear.on waking up he realises that "it never was" but >at > > >>that > > >> > time(while dreaming),the whole thing seems REAL and the > >fear > > >>also > > >> > is real. > > >> > Similarly,is it that when seen from the plane of >absolute > > >> > reality or from a liberated state,all that we see in >the > > >>material > > >> > world is illusion or mental concoction. > > >> > Also,is it that the cycle of repeated birth and death >that > >a > > >>soul > > >> > goes through is a kind of hypnotic dream which is not > >really > > >> > happening? > > >> > With best wishes, > > >> > vivek. > > >> > >_______ > > >> > Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs >in > >India > > >>or > > >> > Abroad > > >> > http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > >> > : > > >>gjlist- > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Your use of is subject to > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > >>: > > >>gjlist- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>Your use of is subject to > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > _______ > > > Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in >India > >or > > > Abroad > > > http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > >_______ >Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India >or >Abroad >http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > _______ Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or Abroad http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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