Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Dear Natabara I would most welcome any additional information regarding the triangle. IT is just too much of a coincidence that the triangle will appear directly overhead in Bethlehem just as the cChurch of the NAtivity is the center of so much international violence. Also, the notion that this same triangle is very fortunate for individuals. I have asked clients who have planets in the nakshatras of Rohini and Mrigashira to let me know what unfolds for them. Thus far one man whose Lagna is in Rohini has had some unexpected publicity that will appear in the Dallas newspaper. Interestingly, his business will be very much in the view, and it is named for him so the lagna really seems to fit. One of his affiliates will also be featured and her moon is in Krittika, not so directly hit, but with planets still transiting there as well. Not enough to assert that this is infallible but very powerful and I am most curious and excited by this configuration that was never mentioned in any text I had seen. much appreciation from one with SAturn right on her Mercury cynthia - natabara GJList Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:30 AM [GJ] PLANETARY TRIANGLE Dear List I was watching on the TV, that the 5 planets, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn and Jupiter can be seen now together, just after sunset. Unfortunately my skies have been cloudy to see them. Then the TV says that soon, we will be able to see like a triangle formed by the planets Venus, Mars and Saturn. The book Brihat Samhita (i take for reference the translation to the book done by M. Ramakrishna Bhat), says in Chapter XX The Planetary Triangle. "The configuration named Sringataka (Triangle).... (it mention another 6 shapes), produce famine and drought in the country and promote war among kings." Please notice that astrologers the world over have been waiting for a big war as far as 1974. I remember about the predictions done by Vedic astrologers on that year. They gave full details which i may mention later in another posting. The nature of the present Kali yuga is to produce rewards or punishment to our actions. Unfortunately, most of the population are at present practicing sinful activities due to the blindness, ignorance, inefficiency or corruption of present world leaders. Fire when touched by an innocent and ignorant child will still burn that child. Similarly, sinful activities done under ignorance, will cause a reaction, which unfortunately, it may appear as a friction or war. War and friction are inevitable even if we do not invite them. They are born out of known or unknown, seen or unseen reactions. As astrologers we are supposed to study the predictions to come and advise people accordingly. On page 227, still on the same chapter of the quoted book, we read: "When planets combine in any asterism (here is referring to a naksatra or constellation. Vedic astrology takes into account 12 signs of the zodiac and 27 naksatras.)(words in parenthesis are written by me, the author of this email), people ruled by that asterism will be killed. But when they are in radiant and do not occult each other, they will prove beneficiant to the same people." me I have to say that we are lucky that those 3 planets, Venus, Mars and Saturn, forming that triangle, will be radiant and not occult each other in the sky. Therefore, such a planetary configuration is likely to predict benefits to people that have their Moon naksatra (Natal Moon in a naksatra) in According to the astro calendar that i am sending you monthly, today 20 April 2002, Mercury is Out of Combustion at 11:10 GMT, meaning that Mercury is out of the rays of the Sun and it can be seen just after sunset. At that exact time, according to the astro calendar, Mercury will be at 20°18'43" of sidereal Aries and the Sun will be at 6°18'44" Aries. The Moon went into Cancer at 1:31 am GMT. All this means that from today's sunset, we will see at the Western sky, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Jupiter and the Moon. In fact, the quarter of the increasing moon will be at 12:48 pm GMT, meaning that tonight, we will see (clouds allowing), the Moon at its quarter. However, although we may be able to see those 6 objects in the sky, an invisible object (Rahu), will be at 26°40 of Taurus, between Saturn and Jupiter. Regarding the triangle to be seen in the sky soon after sunset at the western side, i asked the GJ Vedic astro programme to show me the planets. If you have that programme, go to Features and then chose transits and you will see the wheel of the zodiac with all the planets. I have used the JUMP facility from that programme to find out such a triangle as seen on TV. I can see that the triangle starts to be seen soon after the conjunction of Mars and Saturn on 4 May 2002 at 5:58 GMT (according to the Raphael ephemeris) at 20° Taurus, (according to the GJ prog) with Venus being at 16°27 of Taurus, and it end with the conjunction of Venus and Saturn on 7 May 2002 at 12:11 GMT at 20°23 Taurus. We have to remember that the full moon disc measures about 30' in diameter. This means that at the conjunction of Mars with Saturn, Venus is going to be at some 3 and 1/2 'Moon' sizes behind them. This means that according to your geographical position on Earth, you will be able to see this beautiful triangle between those conjunctions, soon after sunset, by looking at the Western horizon, just above the sunset and close to the star called Aldebaran or Rohini in the sidereal sign of Taurus. According to the rule given in the Brijat Samhita, people that have their natal Moon in the constellation of Rohini, are likely to benefit soon. I have to say that even if they have been under terrible stress due to sade sati, this OMEN as seeing in the sky, indicates good things to come to them soon. LOTS OF LOVE Natabara Das Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 Dear Cynthia, What exactly are you looking for - or foresee - reg, I have asked clients who have planets in the nakshatras of Rohini and Mrigashira to let me know what unfolds for them. Well - I have JU in Rohini, my one son has RA in Mrigasira and the other has SU in Rohini & MA in Mrigasira. Shailesh - cynthia novak gjlist Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:57 AM Re: [GJ] PLANETARY TRIANGLE Dear Natabara I would most welcome any additional information regarding the triangle. IT is just too much of a coincidence that the triangle will appear directly overhead in Bethlehem just as the cChurch of the NAtivity is the center of so much international violence. Also, the notion that this same triangle is very fortunate for individuals. I have asked clients who have planets in the nakshatras of Rohini and Mrigashira to let me know what unfolds for them. Thus far one man whose Lagna is in Rohini has had some unexpected publicity that will appear in the Dallas newspaper. Interestingly, his business will be very much in the view, and it is named for him so the lagna really seems to fit. One of his affiliates will also be featured and her moon is in Krittika, not so directly hit, but with planets still transiting there as well. Not enough to assert that this is infallible but very powerful and I am most curious and excited by this configuration that was never mentioned in any text I had seen. much appreciation from one with SAturn right on her Mercury cynthia - natabara GJList Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:30 AM [GJ] PLANETARY TRIANGLE Dear List I was watching on the TV, that the 5 planets, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn and Jupiter can be seen now together, just after sunset. Unfortunately my skies have been cloudy to see them. Then the TV says that soon, we will be able to see like a triangle formed by the planets Venus, Mars and Saturn. The book Brihat Samhita (i take for reference the translation to the book done by M. Ramakrishna Bhat), says in Chapter XX The Planetary Triangle. "The configuration named Sringataka (Triangle).... (it mention another 6 shapes), produce famine and drought in the country and promote war among kings." Please notice that astrologers the world over have been waiting for a big war as far as 1974. I remember about the predictions done by Vedic astrologers on that year. They gave full details which i may mention later in another posting. The nature of the present Kali yuga is to produce rewards or punishment to our actions. Unfortunately, most of the population are at present practicing sinful activities due to the blindness, ignorance, inefficiency or corruption of present world leaders. Fire when touched by an innocent and ignorant child will still burn that child. Similarly, sinful activities done under ignorance, will cause a reaction, which unfortunately, it may appear as a friction or war. War and friction are inevitable even if we do not invite them. They are born out of known or unknown, seen or unseen reactions. As astrologers we are supposed to study the predictions to come and advise people accordingly. On page 227, still on the same chapter of the quoted book, we read: "When planets combine in any asterism (here is referring to a naksatra or constellation. Vedic astrology takes into account 12 signs of the zodiac and 27 naksatras.)(words in parenthesis are written by me, the author of this email), people ruled by that asterism will be killed. But when they are in radiant and do not occult each other, they will prove beneficiant to the same people." me I have to say that we are lucky that those 3 planets, Venus, Mars and Saturn, forming that triangle, will be radiant and not occult each other in the sky. Therefore, such a planetary configuration is likely to predict benefits to people that have their Moon naksatra (Natal Moon in a naksatra) in According to the astro calendar that i am sending you monthly, today 20 April 2002, Mercury is Out of Combustion at 11:10 GMT, meaning that Mercury is out of the rays of the Sun and it can be seen just after sunset. At that exact time, according to the astro calendar, Mercury will be at 20°18'43" of sidereal Aries and the Sun will be at 6°18'44" Aries. The Moon went into Cancer at 1:31 am GMT. All this means that from today's sunset, we will see at the Western sky, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Jupiter and the Moon. In fact, the quarter of the increasing moon will be at 12:48 pm GMT, meaning that tonight, we will see (clouds allowing), the Moon at its quarter. However, although we may be able to see those 6 objects in the sky, an invisible object (Rahu), will be at 26°40 of Taurus, between Saturn and Jupiter. Regarding the triangle to be seen in the sky soon after sunset at the western side, i asked the GJ Vedic astro programme to show me the planets. If you have that programme, go to Features and then chose transits and you will see the wheel of the zodiac with all the planets. I have used the JUMP facility from that programme to find out such a triangle as seen on TV. I can see that the triangle starts to be seen soon after the conjunction of Mars and Saturn on 4 May 2002 at 5:58 GMT (according to the Raphael ephemeris) at 20° Taurus, (according to the GJ prog) with Venus being at 16°27 of Taurus, and it end with the conjunction of Venus and Saturn on 7 May 2002 at 12:11 GMT at 20°23 Taurus. We have to remember that the full moon disc measures about 30' in diameter. This means that at the conjunction of Mars with Saturn, Venus is going to be at some 3 and 1/2 'Moon' sizes behind them. This means that according to your geographical position on Earth, you will be able to see this beautiful triangle between those conjunctions, soon after sunset, by looking at the Western horizon, just above the sunset and close to the star called Aldebaran or Rohini in the sidereal sign of Taurus. According to the rule given in the Brijat Samhita, people that have their natal Moon in the constellation of Rohini, are likely to benefit soon. I have to say that even if they have been under terrible stress due to sade sati, this OMEN as seeing in the sky, indicates good things to come to them soon. LOTS OF LOVE Natabara Das Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comY'>http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 I don't know what I'm looking for, this only happens aprox. every 70 years, I'm just watching and not expecting. Perhaps wonderful things will fall on your family. cynthia - Shailesh gjlist Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:53 PM Re: [GJ] PLANETARY TRIANGLE Dear Cynthia, What exactly are you looking for - or foresee - reg, I have asked clients who have planets in the nakshatras of Rohini and Mrigashira to let me know what unfolds for them. Well - I have JU in Rohini, my one son has RA in Mrigasira and the other has SU in Rohini & MA in Mrigasira. Shailesh - cynthia novak gjlist Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:57 AM Re: [GJ] PLANETARY TRIANGLE Dear Natabara I would most welcome any additional information regarding the triangle. IT is just too much of a coincidence that the triangle will appear directly overhead in Bethlehem just as the cChurch of the NAtivity is the center of so much international violence. Also, the notion that this same triangle is very fortunate for individuals. I have asked clients who have planets in the nakshatras of Rohini and Mrigashira to let me know what unfolds for them. Thus far one man whose Lagna is in Rohini has had some unexpected publicity that will appear in the Dallas newspaper. Interestingly, his business will be very much in the view, and it is named for him so the lagna really seems to fit. One of his affiliates will also be featured and her moon is in Krittika, not so directly hit, but with planets still transiting there as well. Not enough to assert that this is infallible but very powerful and I am most curious and excited by this configuration that was never mentioned in any text I had seen. much appreciation from one with SAturn right on her Mercury cynthia - natabara GJList Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:30 AM [GJ] PLANETARY TRIANGLE Dear List I was watching on the TV, that the 5 planets, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn and Jupiter can be seen now together, just after sunset. Unfortunately my skies have been cloudy to see them. Then the TV says that soon, we will be able to see like a triangle formed by the planets Venus, Mars and Saturn. The book Brihat Samhita (i take for reference the translation to the book done by M. Ramakrishna Bhat), says in Chapter XX The Planetary Triangle. "The configuration named Sringataka (Triangle).... (it mention another 6 shapes), produce famine and drought in the country and promote war among kings." Please notice that astrologers the world over have been waiting for a big war as far as 1974. I remember about the predictions done by Vedic astrologers on that year. They gave full details which i may mention later in another posting. The nature of the present Kali yuga is to produce rewards or punishment to our actions. Unfortunately, most of the population are at present practicing sinful activities due to the blindness, ignorance, inefficiency or corruption of present world leaders. Fire when touched by an innocent and ignorant child will still burn that child. Similarly, sinful activities done under ignorance, will cause a reaction, which unfortunately, it may appear as a friction or war. War and friction are inevitable even if we do not invite them. They are born out of known or unknown, seen or unseen reactions. As astrologers we are supposed to study the predictions to come and advise people accordingly. On page 227, still on the same chapter of the quoted book, we read: "When planets combine in any asterism (here is referring to a naksatra or constellation. Vedic astrology takes into account 12 signs of the zodiac and 27 naksatras.)(words in parenthesis are written by me, the author of this email), people ruled by that asterism will be killed. But when they are in radiant and do not occult each other, they will prove beneficiant to the same people." me I have to say that we are lucky that those 3 planets, Venus, Mars and Saturn, forming that triangle, will be radiant and not occult each other in the sky. Therefore, such a planetary configuration is likely to predict benefits to people that have their Moon naksatra (Natal Moon in a naksatra) in According to the astro calendar that i am sending you monthly, today 20 April 2002, Mercury is Out of Combustion at 11:10 GMT, meaning that Mercury is out of the rays of the Sun and it can be seen just after sunset. At that exact time, according to the astro calendar, Mercury will be at 20°18'43" of sidereal Aries and the Sun will be at 6°18'44" Aries. The Moon went into Cancer at 1:31 am GMT. All this means that from today's sunset, we will see at the Western sky, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Jupiter and the Moon. In fact, the quarter of the increasing moon will be at 12:48 pm GMT, meaning that tonight, we will see (clouds allowing), the Moon at its quarter. However, although we may be able to see those 6 objects in the sky, an invisible object (Rahu), will be at 26°40 of Taurus, between Saturn and Jupiter. Regarding the triangle to be seen in the sky soon after sunset at the western side, i asked the GJ Vedic astro programme to show me the planets. If you have that programme, go to Features and then chose transits and you will see the wheel of the zodiac with all the planets. I have used the JUMP facility from that programme to find out such a triangle as seen on TV. I can see that the triangle starts to be seen soon after the conjunction of Mars and Saturn on 4 May 2002 at 5:58 GMT (according to the Raphael ephemeris) at 20° Taurus, (according to the GJ prog) with Venus being at 16°27 of Taurus, and it end with the conjunction of Venus and Saturn on 7 May 2002 at 12:11 GMT at 20°23 Taurus. We have to remember that the full moon disc measures about 30' in diameter. This means that at the conjunction of Mars with Saturn, Venus is going to be at some 3 and 1/2 'Moon' sizes behind them. This means that according to your geographical position on Earth, you will be able to see this beautiful triangle between those conjunctions, soon after sunset, by looking at the Western horizon, just above the sunset and close to the star called Aldebaran or Rohini in the sidereal sign of Taurus. According to the rule given in the Brijat Samhita, people that have their natal Moon in the constellation of Rohini, are likely to benefit soon. I have to say that even if they have been under terrible stress due to sade sati, this OMEN as seeing in the sky, indicates good things to come to them soon. LOTS OF LOVE Natabara Das Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comY'>http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Dear Seetha <<Could you please comment on what the effects of this planetaryformation in May will be on my husband's chart who has 4 planets inthe constellation of Rohini Taurus (2nd house). I have given hishoroscope below for your reference. Much appreciate your insights.>>me Many thanks for your email. I have to clarify that due to my present condition of being recovering from a massive brain haemorrhage, i cannot do deep readings of horoscopes. It is difficult to explain that a part of my brain, the one that reads charts, is still healing. At present i can only cook once a week, when before i used to cook 3-4 times. I can build up a mathematical programme in an spreadsheat but i cannot do deep chart readings. To do a deep reading requires certain "muscles" in the brain, which are tired at the moment. I do not want to expend the next 2-3 days sick in bed, by doing this reading. It is already bad as it is. I tell you this because i have done 3 deep readings in the past 12 months, with bad consequences. Also, i say this to discourage others from requesting from me deep readings. I can see that to answer to this question requires a deep reading. By having a quick look at his chart, i can see that those 4 planets are in the adi mitra (intimate friend) constellation from the Moon, and therefore, positive results may be expected. However, we have to study his present dasa as well before giving a more definitive answer. As you may remember, the rule says that people with the Moon in Rohini (constellation 4th), are very likely to get a positive benefit from this triangle formed by Venus, Saturn and Mars. I can see that your husband has the Moon in U. Phalguni, (naksatra 12) and therefore there is not a full qualification here to get the full benefits described by the rule already quoted. Best wishes. Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2002 Report Share Posted April 29, 2002 Dear Natabara Please do not stretch those deep places in your brain. Please know that you insights are deeps and useful, there is not need for you to stretch your body in order to help many of us learn. Perhaps that is an awareness that you are gaining. In more simple words, what may seem simple to you is immensely useful to us. please preserve your self. This is not an Un selfish request. cynthia To those who are watching this triangle. I have several clients with planets in Rohini that are having fortunate events that seemingly come out of no where. The triangle is not until the 5th of May, but the opportunities appear to be surfacing. I have Mercury in Rohini and I am having very interesting insights...or perhaps illusions <great grins> about the nature of the world at this time and during this planetary gathering. We should all be obervant and learn. cynthia - natabara GJList Monday, April 29, 2002 10:40 AM [GJ] planetary triangle Dear Seetha <<Could you please comment on what the effects of this planetaryformation in May will be on my husband's chart who has 4 planets inthe constellation of Rohini Taurus (2nd house). I have given hishoroscope below for your reference. Much appreciate your insights.>>me Many thanks for your email. I have to clarify that due to my present condition of being recovering from a massive brain haemorrhage, i cannot do deep readings of horoscopes. It is difficult to explain that a part of my brain, the one that reads charts, is still healing. At present i can only cook once a week, when before i used to cook 3-4 times. I can build up a mathematical programme in an spreadsheat but i cannot do deep chart readings. To do a deep reading requires certain "muscles" in the brain, which are tired at the moment. I do not want to expend the next 2-3 days sick in bed, by doing this reading. It is already bad as it is. I tell you this because i have done 3 deep readings in the past 12 months, with bad consequences. Also, i say this to discourage others from requesting from me deep readings. I can see that to answer to this question requires a deep reading. By having a quick look at his chart, i can see that those 4 planets are in the adi mitra (intimate friend) constellation from the Moon, and therefore, positive results may be expected. However, we have to study his present dasa as well before giving a more definitive answer. As you may remember, the rule says that people with the Moon in Rohini (constellation 4th), are very likely to get a positive benefit from this triangle formed by Venus, Saturn and Mars. I can see that your husband has the Moon in U. Phalguni, (naksatra 12) and therefore there is not a full qualification here to get the full benefits described by the rule already quoted. Best wishes. Natabara DasOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Dear Cynthia, I don't buy the triangle affecting Rohini. My wife has a Rohini Asc. and I feel she's going to separate herself in 7 days if not 24 hrs. My sis-in-law has a Rohini Asc. and doesn't look like she's doing too well, else I would be the first to know. My brother has moon in Rohini and he's been going through hell. Sven years ago, before the Sade sati, he was a man envied, he had almost a million dollars net worth. I don't thibk he's bought a new shirt for three years + now, and what's more, he's so far, and I can't help him if I wanted to. I am getting a licking, every day I write here, I keep praying don;t let this be my last message. I got property worth half a million stuck so I cant sell it, I'm involved in litigation where I have been cleared but I can't get relief, I owe half a million to the world, I have a wife who's sick and getting worse with Pulmonary hypertension, I haven't paid any rent, and I dunno when I am gonna get bounced onto the road. If anything, I have been nearly mentally dead where I stopped believing in any God. If he's testing me and can read email, this is his only chance to salvage my soul. If he saves me, I will be his for life. Progressively downward is the only direction I've seen over the last few years. Me and my Dad live under one roof but get along as well as a snake and a mongoose. My wife and my mom are much the same. We just live physically under one roof but that's about it. I've been told by several people several things, taht I am cursed as in Spirits, cursed as in Snakes in Kundali, God knows what else. I had a crow visit sometime back, which is the worst omen according to local lore. Anything bad that can happen, have no fear Ajay is here. Test the A**hole. I mean what else could go wrong. Those I deem my own have now deserted me, those who aren't I don't blame them, but they have watched me as my life messed. Keep me posted on the triangle and my best wishes to all who experience bliss and normalcy. The funny part is the powers that be blew this mail in the morning as i tried to type it. BTW If you receive this mail with an attachment of any kind, notify me so Ican at least purge my system. I dont think but you never know. Ajay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 - "Ajay P. Nagrecha" <eyelite <gjlist> Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:13 PM Re: [GJ] planetary triangle > Dear Cynthia, > > I don't buy the triangle affecting Rohini. > > My wife has a Rohini Asc. and I feel she's going to separate herself in 7 > days if not 24 hrs. My sis-in-law has a Rohini Asc. and doesn't look like > she's doing too well, else I would be the first to know. > > My brother has moon in Rohini and he's been going through hell. Sven years > ago, before the Sade sati, he was a man envied, he had almost a million > dollars net worth. I don't thibk he's bought a new shirt for three years + > now, and what's more, he's so far, and I can't help him if I wanted to. > > I am getting a licking, every day I write here, I keep praying don;t let > this be my last message. I got property worth half a million stuck so I > cant sell it, I'm involved in litigation where I have been cleared but I > can't get relief, I owe half a million to the world, I have a wife who's > sick and getting worse with Pulmonary hypertension, I haven't paid any > rent, and I dunno when I am gonna get bounced onto the road. > > If anything, I have been nearly mentally dead where I stopped believing in > any God. If he's testing me and can read email, this is his only chance to > salvage my soul. If he saves me, I will be his for life. Progressively > downward is the only direction I've seen over the last few years. Me and my > Dad live under one roof but get along as well as a snake and a mongoose. My > wife and my mom are much the same. We just live physically under one roof > but that's about it. > > I've been told by several people several things, taht I am cursed as in > Spirits, cursed as in Snakes in Kundali, God knows what else. I had a crow > visit sometime back, which is the worst omen according to local lore. > Anything bad that can happen, have no fear Ajay is here. Test the A**hole. > I mean what else could go wrong. Those I deem my own have now deserted me, > those who aren't I don't blame them, but they have watched me as my life > messed. > > Keep me posted on the triangle and my best wishes to all who experience > bliss and normalcy. The funny part is the powers that be blew this mail in > the morning as i tried to type it. BTW If you receive this mail with an > attachment of any kind, notify me so Ican at least purge my system. I dont > think but you never know. > > Ajay > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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