advice / muhurtha

April 15, 2002

Dear Cynthia

Thanks for sharing your insights and perspectives with us .I'm sure many will

benefit from hearing of your experience .Ultimately one benfits immensely

herself becau se by freely distributing one's exalted knowledge by the law of

karma one is bestowed much more .

My experience also suggests that muhurthas have minimal effect . From a

theoretical stance can a good or poor muhurtha selection change a whole lot of

karma . However it is a branch of Jyotish and I respect it on that basis .

My own preference is to concentrate my own and the couples energies in other

areas .There tend to be so many restrictions ; you can't just marry people at 2

in the morning and then there is the consideration of when the family members

can come and so on .

On the point about no planets in the 7th there is no doubt a good reason for

this although I'm not sure what it is .The point here is that you cannot use

all the same rules for muhurtha that are used in jataka .One reason for having

different rules in different fields is to gradually develop faith in sastra

rather than faith in logic .To much of the scientific community the premise of

astrolgy is a bunch of illogical hocus pocus anyway and they produce "logical"

arguments to show that it cannot work .

In cases where people have already lived together I see no point in choosing a muhurtha at all .

Kind regards

Nicholas

-

cynthia novak

gjlist

Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:57 AM

Re: [GJ] advice

Dear Nicholas

I know that I have been taught that rule regarding any planets in the 7th, it is

helpful to know that I was taught wrongly. This rule made no sense to me.

I will tell you all that I used to agonize over selecting the best date and I no

longer offer this service. I've found that marriages are a lot like birth, they

take on a time line of their own.

I have seen many long-lasting marriages that were wed on what would be called

poor dates. I've come to question the whole practice of selecting the perfect

date and time, particularly when the time seems to be a trickster and

inevitably nothing happens according to plan on the wedding day. Then there is

the whole issue of the chart time: Is it when the couple walk down the isle or

when the priest pronounces them wed?

Anyway, I have this theory that the couple actually unite when they make their

commitment. In many cases this is when the proposal is made and accepted. At

that time the couple agree to the union and the rest is window dressing.

In the case of arranged marriages, I would agree that since the couple do not

really know each other that chart would have more weight than the actual

nuptials of a couple who have already made the commitment. Last week a young

woman asked me to help her select a date and place. I ran the maps for the

couples and found that the line for her most powerful planet Mars and his Venus

ran through Arizona and Colorado. I suggested that this place might be good for

them only to learn that they had recently been there and spontaneously made vows

in a chapel. A look at that date and time revealed exalted Venus and Mars in

his own sign, very similar to the natal charts. They were well placed. This

chart is the chart for the commitment, not one that I would dictate to them.

It turned out they had already made they vows yet were looking for a chart to

make sure they would last when they did them legally. (just wanted to share

this)

Often a couple will naturally gravitate to a date and time that is very nice,

there is no such thing as a perfect chart for anything.

I'll help them choose between two or 3 dates and times for free, but I won't

take on the responsibility of selecting the chart that is supposed to make the

marriage solid. That is up to the couple to create. Remember, that marriage

chart will still have transits and dasha sequences and there is no such thing

as perfection in this world.

Just musing and sharing.

-

Nicholas

gjlist

Monday, April 15, 2002 12:49 AM

Re: [GJ] advice

Dear Zoran and Saso

The points made by Zoran are good . The marriage should also not take place on a

Saturday . I was not advocating September 1 as the date but just mentioning as a

curio to all jyotishis that on this day five planets will be exalted and two in

their own sign .So those of you out there born on September 1 will have a

dynamic solar return chart :- ) . This day may not be suitable beacusre of the

Moon Rahu conjunction but the period could offer some better muhurthas

..Sometimes months might pass with no suitable muhurtha the next couple being a

good example of this . Skopje's pretty close to you in Serbia so I guess you

could work out a suitable muhurtha .

Newcomers to jyotish should note that the rules for muhurtha are not the same as

those for jataka .The 1st rule about no planets being in the 7th house is a

special rule for muhurtha

>From a study of a number of charts it looks to me like the tension and violence

in the Middle east will increase over the next 2-3 months but the second half

of the year looks more promising for the world outlook .

Best Wishes

Nicholas

PS to Saso what is the name of your fiance and do you know Rasa Vilasini ?

-

Zoran Radosavljevic

gjlist

Monday, April 15, 2002 9:52 AM

Re: [GJ] advice

Dear Nicholas, Exalted plantes are good, provided they are not in debilitated

Navamsa. Moon Rahu-conjunction on that day is terrible, unless strong Guru

aspects. There are some basic rules which may be followed: 1. Karya Bhava

should be empty- That is in this case 7th 2. Kendras and trikonas should be

fortified by benefics 3. Eight house must in no way be afflicted-particularly

by Mangal 4. Shukra must not be in dusthanas particularly in 6th/8th 5. Day of

marriege must not be held on Tuesdays One will hardly find an ideal muhurta,

but these basic rules should be accepted Best wishes Zoran Nicholas wrote:

Dear SasoNo time is perfect .On September 1st 4 planets will be exalted and 2 in

their own sign so around this time might be suitable (the moon rahu conjunction

on that day is not so suitable) .Best WishesNicholas

-

saso bojadziev

gjlist

Sunday, April 14, 2002 6:48 AM

[GJ] advice Dear Prabhus My humble obeisances and respect to all of

you.I am born 27/Novem/1962 time ~~03:30 am~~in Skopje -1 41N59 21E26and my

chosen bride 10/January/1977 at 10:50am-1 41N59 21E26 and soon we are going to

get engaged andget married. Most of my time I am doing numberology. Also I

practice Tropical astrology and I have many astrological programs and one of

them is the vedic software Goravani 2.26 which I consider it myself the most

advanced Vedic software nowdays.My humble respect to Goravani Prabhu and my

congratulations to Goravani Prabhu for the hard work and effort for making the

software so we can easily calculate and learn Astrology.Also my humble

obeisances to all of you for giving service to the Supreme Personality of

Godhead. As I am not very much experienced in Vedic Astrology and I consider my

self a beginner in Tropical Astrology I would appreciate If some of you give me

an advice for a good period and days for getting married and good period for

making Yajnas for marriage .The advice will be very valuable to me and I plan

this arrangement to be made with my loved friends the devotees of Lord Krishna

here in the Temple in Skopje.Mybe Goravani Prabhu which I consider a very

advanced Vedic astrologer might also give me some suggestion. Thank you for

your time reading this e-mail. Hare KrishnaAll Glories to Srila Prabhupada /

the devotees of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Krishnamany regards

fromsasho Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat To

, send an email to: gjlist-

Terms of Service. Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat To

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Centre mails: ahimsa (AT) NSpoint (DOT) net ahimsa (AT) neobee (DOT) net web address:

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April 15, 2002

Dear Nicholas,

My experience also suggests that muhurthas have minimal

effect . From a theoretical stance can a good or poor muhurtha selection

change a whole lot of karma . However it is a branch of Jyotish

and I respect it on that basis . My own preference is to concentrate my

own and the couples energies in other areas .There tend to be so many restrictions

; you can't just marry people at 2 in the morning and then there is the

consideration of when the family members can come and so on .

ZORAN: From my own experience the muhurtha does work well. When I set

out my own business with two good friends,I was in good period, but both

my partners were not in good period, one being at the low phase of sadhe

sathi in addition. I have chosen the name of the firm and solid date for

registration, and in the first year, we have under the strong rivals in

the market, made excellent progress and kept harmony among all of us. People

even got used to the name which is very peculiar on the soil where ortodox

background is very strong: AUM GROUP:)) that is the name. My friends also

used good muhurtas for marriges and business and had excellent results.

Yet, one must NEVER look at muhurta only, but balance the results with

natal chart.

On the point about no planets in the 7th there is no doubt a

good reason for this although I'm not sure what it is .The point here is

that you cannot use all the same rules for muhurtha that are used in jataka

..One reason for having different rules in different fields is to gradually

develop faith in sastra rather than faith in logic .To much of the scientific

community the premise of astrolgy is a bunch of illogical hocus pocus anyway

and they produce "logical" arguments to show that it cannot work .ZORAN:

Excellent point. We must never rely on our limited logic. The knowledge

is structured in consiucousness. The Jyotisha was conceived in Seers Transcendental

consicuounsess, so we may ponder into all rules given by Maharishis when

being on the same level. So a lot of faith is needed, I admit, but it does

pay off in the long run..Otherwise if we believe in our logic, then we

could say that the earth is flat, and static, while we know that it is

not so.. Our senses are imperfect, and we may not fully rely on them

In cases where people have already lived together I see no point

in choosing a muhurtha at all .

ZORAN; I gave my opinion on that in the previous mail.

Best wishes

Zoran

Kind regardsNicholas

-

cynthia

novak

gjlist

Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:57

AM

Re: [GJ] advice

Dear Nicholas I know that

I have been taught that rule regarding any planets in the 7th, it is helpful

to know that I was taught wrongly. This rule made no sense to me. I

will tell you all that I used to agonize over selecting the best date and

I no longer offer this service. I've found that marriages are a lot

like birth, they take on a time line of their own. I

have seen many long-lasting marriages that were wed on what would be called

poor dates. I've come to question the whole practice of selecting

the perfect date and time, particularly when the time seems to be a trickster

and inevitably nothing happens according to plan on the wedding day.

Then there is the whole issue of the chart time: Is it when the couple

walk down the isle or when the priest pronounces them wed? Anyway,

I have this theory that the couple actually unite when they make their

commitment. In many cases this is when the proposal is made and accepted.

At that time the couple agree to the union and the rest is window dressing. In

the case of arranged marriages, I would agree that since the couple do

not really know each other that chart would have more weight than the actual

nuptials of a couple who have already made the commitment. Last week

a young woman asked me to help her select a date and place. I ran

the maps for the couples and found that the line for her most powerful

planet Mars and his Venus ran through Arizona and Colorado. I suggested

that this place might be good for them only to learn that they had recently

been there and spontaneously made vows in a chapel. A look at that

date and time revealed exalted Venus and Mars in his own sign, very similar

to the natal charts. They were well placed. This chart is the

chart for the commitment, not one that I would dictate to them. It

turned out they had already made they vows yet were looking for a chart

to make sure they would last when they did them legally. (just wanted

to share this) Often a couple will naturally

gravitate to a date and time that is very nice, there is no such thing

as a perfect chart for anything. I'll help them

choose between two or 3 dates and times for free, but I won't take on the

responsibility of selecting the chart that is supposed to make the marriage

solid. That is up to the couple to create. Remember, that marriage

chart will still have transits and dasha sequences and there is no such

thing as perfection in this world. Just musing

and sharing.

-

Nicholas

gjlist

Monday, April 15, 2002 12:49

AM

Re: [GJ] advice

Dear Zoran and SasoThe points made by Zoran are good . The marriage

should also not take place on a Saturday . I was not advocating September

1 as the date but just mentioning as a curio to all jyotishis that on this

day five planets will be exalted and two in their own sign .So those of

you out there born on September 1 will have a dynamic solar return chart

:- ) . This day may not be suitable beacusre of the Moon Rahu conjunction

but the period could offer some better muhurthas .Sometimes months might

pass with no suitable muhurtha the next couple being a good example of

this . Skopje's pretty close to you in Serbia so I guess you could work

out a suitable muhurtha . Newcomers to jyotish should note that the

rules for muhurtha are not the same as those for jataka .The 1st rule about

no planets being in the 7th house is a special rule for muhurtha From

a study of a number of charts it looks to me like the tension and violence

in the Middle east will increase over the next 2-3 months but the second

half of the year looks more promising for the world outlook . Best

WishesNicholasPS to Saso what is the name of your fiance and do you know

Rasa Vilasini ?

-

Zoran Radosavljevic

gjlist

Monday, April 15, 2002 9:52

AM

Re: [GJ] advice

Dear Nicholas,

Exalted plantes are good, provided they are not in debilitated Navamsa.

Moon Rahu-conjunction on that day is terrible, unless strong Guru aspects.

There are some basic rules which may be followed:

1. Karya Bhava should be empty- That is in this case 7th

2. Kendras and trikonas should be fortified by benefics

3. Eight house must in no way be afflicted-particularly by Mangal

4. Shukra must not be in dusthanas particularly in 6th/8th

5. Day of marriege must not be held on Tuesdays

One will hardly find an ideal muhurta, but these basic rules should

be accepted

Best wishes

Zoran

Nicholas wrote:

Dear SasoNo time is perfect .On

September 1st 4 planets will be exalted and 2 in their own sign so around

this time might be suitable (the moon rahu conjunction on that day is not

so suitable) .Best WishesNicholas

-

saso

bojadziev

gjlist

Sunday, April 14, 2002 6:48

AM

[GJ] advice

Dear Prabhus My

humble obeisances and respect to all of you.I am born 27/Novem/1962 time

~~03:30 am~~in Skopje -1 41N59 21E26and my chosen bride 10/January/1977

at 10:50am-1 41N59 21E26 and soon we are going to get engaged andget married.

Most of my time I am doing numberology. Also I practice Tropical

astrology and I have many astrological programs and one of them is the

vedic software Goravani 2.26 which I consider it myself the most advanced

Vedic software nowdays.My humble respect to Goravani Prabhu and my congratulations

to Goravani Prabhu for the hard work and effort for making the software

so we can easily calculate and learn Astrology.Also my humble obeisances

to all of you for giving service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

As I am not very much experienced in Vedic Astrology and I consider my

self a beginner in Tropical Astrology I would appreciate If some of you

give me an advice for a good period and days for getting married and good

period for making Yajnas for marriage .The advice will be very valuable

to me and I plan this arrangement to be made with my loved friends the

devotees of Lord Krishna here in the Temple in Skopje.Mybe Goravani Prabhu

which I consider a very advanced Vedic astrologer might also give me some

suggestion. Thank you for your time reading this e-mail.

Hare KrishnaAll Glories to Srila Prabhupada

/ the devotees of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Krishnamany regards

fromsasho

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

Terms of Service.

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

Terms of Service.

--

Zoran Radosavljevic

Jyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre

mails: ahimsa (AT) NSpoint (DOT) net

ahimsa (AT) neobee (DOT) net

web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

Terms of Service.

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

Terms of Service.

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

Terms of Service.

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

: gjlist-

Terms of Service.

--

Zoran Radosavljevic

Jyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre

mails: ahimsa (AT) NSpoint (DOT) net

ahimsa (AT) neobee (DOT) net

web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu

April 15, 2002

Dear Zoran and Nicholas

Thank you for the discussion. I find that there is a big difference between the

chart for the date, time and place of a business, sale of property and a

marriage. The first two are more dispassionate. It is easy to say that the

business opened its doors to the public on this date and time. It is also

clear when a property is laced on the market for sale. I have had great

success in both types of charts and the most recent property for sale gave the

seller, who by the way also has good transits, a contract in hand in 24 hours.

There is a big difference between that and the marriage. This may simply be my

limitations as a western woman. That time that the couple begins being a

couple is very tricky and I have found that it is different for different

couples. The young woman I spoke about had already taken vows with her

partner. Another astrologer I know struggled to find the indication for

marriage in her chart for the wedding date and it simply was not very strong.

She finally went to the date and time that he came back into her life after a

separation and asked her to marry and there it was clear and obvious. They

have been together for 30 years, since they were quite young and married for

over 20 years.

c

-

Zoran Radosavljevic

gjlist

Monday, April 15, 2002 7:59 PM

Re: [GJ] advice / muhurtha

Dear Nicholas, My experience also suggests that muhurthas have minimal effect .

>From a theoretical stance can a good or poor muhurtha selection change a whole

lot of karma . However it is a branch of Jyotish and I respect it on that

basis . My own preference is to concentrate my own and the couples energies in

other areas .There tend to be so many restrictions ; you can't just marry

people at 2 in the morning and then there is the consideration of when the

family members can come and so on . ZORAN: From my own experience the muhurtha

does work well. When I set out my own business with two good friends,I was in

good period, but both my partners were not in good period, one being at the low

phase of sadhe sathi in addition. I have chosen the name of the firm and solid

date for registration, and in the first year, we have under the strong rivals

in the market, made excellent progress and kept harmony among all of us. People

even got used to the name which is very peculiar on the soil where ortodox

background is very strong: AUM GROUP:)) that is the name. My friends also used

good muhurtas for marriges and business and had excellent results. Yet, one

must NEVER look at muhurta only, but balance the results with natal chart. On

the point about no planets in the 7th there is no doubt a good reason for this

although I'm not sure what it is .The point here is that you cannot use all the

same rules for muhurtha that are used in jataka .One reason for having different

rules in different fields is to gradually develop faith in sastra rather than

faith in logic .To much of the scientific community the premise of astrolgy is

a bunch of illogical hocus pocus anyway and they produce "logical" arguments to

show that it cannot work .ZORAN: Excellent point. We must never rely on our

limited logic. The knowledge is structured in consiucousness. The Jyotisha was

conceived in Seers Transcendental consicuounsess, so we may ponder into all

rules given by Maharishis when being on the same level. So a lot of faith is

needed, I admit, but it does pay off in the long run..Otherwise if we believe

in our logic, then we could say that the earth is flat, and static, while we

know that it is not so.. Our senses are imperfect, and we may not fully rely on

them In cases where people have already lived together I see no point in

choosing a muhurtha at all . ZORAN; I gave my opinion on that in the previous

mail. Best wishes Zoran Kind regardsNicholas

-

cynthia novak

gjlist

Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:57 AM

Re: [GJ] advice Dear Nicholas I know that I have been taught that rule

regarding any planets in the 7th, it is helpful to know that I was taught

wrongly. This rule made no sense to me. I will tell you all that I used to

agonize over selecting the best date and I no longer offer this service. I've

found that marriages are a lot like birth, they take on a time line of their

own. I have seen many long-lasting marriages that were wed on what would be

called poor dates. I've come to question the whole practice of selecting the

perfect date and time, particularly when the time seems to be a trickster and

inevitably nothing happens according to plan on the wedding day. Then there is

the whole issue of the chart time: Is it when the couple walk down the isle or

when the priest pronounces them wed? Anyway, I have this theory that the couple

actually unite when they make their commitment. In many cases this is when the

proposal is made and accepted. At that time the couple agree to the union and

the rest is window dressing. In the case of arranged marriages, I would agree

that since the couple do not really know each other that chart would have more

weight than the actual nuptials of a couple who have already made the

commitment. Last week a young woman asked me to help her select a date and

place. I ran the maps for the couples and found that the line for her most

powerful planet Mars and his Venus ran through Arizona and Colorado. I

suggested that this place might be good for them only to learn that they had

recently been there and spontaneously made vows in a chapel. A look at that

date and time revealed exalted Venus and Mars in his own sign, very similar to

the natal charts. They were well placed. This chart is the chart for the

commitment, not one that I would dictate to them. It turned out they had

already made they vows yet were looking for a chart to make sure they would

last when they did them legally. (just wanted to share this) Often a couple

will naturally gravitate to a date and time that is very nice, there is no such

thing as a perfect chart for anything. I'll help them choose between two or 3

dates and times for free, but I won't take on the responsibility of selecting

the chart that is supposed to make the marriage solid. That is up to the

couple to create. Remember, that marriage chart will still have transits and

dasha sequences and there is no such thing as perfection in this world. Just

musing and sharing.

-

Nicholas

gjlist

Monday, April 15, 2002 12:49 AM

Re: [GJ] advice Dear Zoran and SasoThe points made by Zoran are good .

The marriage should also not take place on a Saturday . I was not advocating

September 1 as the date but just mentioning as a curio to all jyotishis that on

this day five planets will be exalted and two in their own sign .So those of you

out there born on September 1 will have a dynamic solar return chart :- ) . This

day may not be suitable beacusre of the Moon Rahu conjunction but the period

could offer some better muhurthas .Sometimes months might pass with no suitable

muhurtha the next couple being a good example of this . Skopje's pretty close to

you in Serbia so I guess you could work out a suitable muhurtha . Newcomers to

jyotish should note that the rules for muhurtha are not the same as those for

jataka .The 1st rule about no planets being in the 7th house is a special rule

for muhurtha From a study of a number of charts it looks to me like the tension

and violence in the Middle east will increase over the next 2-3 months but the

second half of the year looks more promising for the world outlook . Best

WishesNicholasPS to Saso what is the name of your fiance and do you know Rasa

Vilasini ?

-

Zoran Radosavljevic

gjlist

Monday, April 15, 2002 9:52 AM

Re: [GJ] advice Dear Nicholas, Exalted plantes are good, provided they

are not in debilitated Navamsa. Moon Rahu-conjunction on that day is terrible,

unless strong Guru aspects. There are some basic rules which may be followed:

1. Karya Bhava should be empty- That is in this case 7th 2. Kendras and

trikonas should be fortified by benefics 3. Eight house must in no way be

afflicted-particularly by Mangal 4. Shukra must not be in dusthanas

particularly in 6th/8th 5. Day of marriege must not be held on Tuesdays One

will hardly find an ideal muhurta, but these basic rules should be accepted

Best wishes Zoran Nicholas wrote: