Guest guest Posted April 8, 2002 Report Share Posted April 8, 2002 Dear Natabara, Yes, you are right in guessing the meanings of the two sanskrit words. Being a student of Sanskrit throughout, the first thought that occured o my mind is as follows: Teevra should convey(mean) Intense or concentrated or sometimes 'fast' also depending on the situations. Komala should convey 'soft; or 'not so severe' or meaning to that effect. Best wishes E.G.Santhanam - natabara GJList Monday, April 08, 2002 8:34 PM [GJ] MUSIC DEAR List I have a question regarding Sanskrit two words. In regard to music, what TIVRA and KOMALA does mean? Aries, Gemini, Sagittarius Libra and Capricorn are considered to be Tivra notes and the rest except Leo and Cancer are Komala. I have the feeling that Tivra means High or major and Komala means Soft, flat or minor but i would like an explanation. For example. we have that the Four Stations of Vivaldi are: Spring = E major Summer = G minor Autumn = F major Winter = F minor Best wishes Natabara Das Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2002 Report Share Posted April 8, 2002 Dear Natabara I don't know whether this is an answer to your question but nevertheless my attempt:The terms are musical terms denoting a particular note.Before I point out the notes there are two terms involved.They are Shruti and Swara.What are they? Shruti:is merely a minute sound capable of being heard by the ear.The interval between two shrutis is a very small gap which can only be distinguished by an expert musician.Hence these shrutis are also called the microtonal interval of sound.There are 22 Shrutis which are used in Indian Music. Swara:On account of very minute gap in sound,the common man felt it difficult to understand Shrutis.The enchanting and melodius sound, the time and gap of which is comparatively more than that of Shruti is called Swaras.As a matter of fact Swaras and Shrutis are alike.The only difference between them is that Swaras are measured by Shrutis.To remove the practical difficulty of recognising the minute gap of Shruti, 7 Shuddha Swaras or full notes came in practice.These seven Swaras are: SHUDDHA , KOMAL & TIVRA SWARAS S. No. Swaras Swaras Description English Notes Swaras Ruling Rasis 1. Sa Shuddha (Fixed) C Mesha 2. Re Komal C sharp Vrishaba 3. Re Shuddha D Mithuna 4. Ga Komal D sharp Kataka 5. Ga Shuddha E Simha 6. Ma Shuddha F Kanya 7. Ma Tivra F sharp Thula 8. Pa Shuddha (Fixed) G Vrischaka 9. Dha Komal G sharp Thanus 10. Dha Shuddha A Makara 11. Nee Komal A sharp Kumbha 12. Nee Shuddha B Meena Planetary Relationship ( No Swaras for Rahu and Ketu) Thus musical notes are known as Sapta Swaras. Planet Swara Surya Sa Chandra Pa Mangal Dha Buddha Re Gurui Nee Shukra Ma Shani Ga Hope that helps with my limited knowledge of mosic.These terms used in North Indian Musis. In South Indian Music there are equivalent terms.I think your understanding may not be right bringing the major and minor scales here.These terms are to do with notes or swaras.Thank you for letting me answer your question and God Bless. Love and Regards S Purushothaman - S.Gopal gjlist Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:26 AM Re: [GJ] MUSIC Dear Natabara, Yes, you are right in guessing the meanings of the two sanskrit words. Being a student of Sanskrit throughout, the first thought that occured o my mind is as follows: Teevra should convey(mean) Intense or concentrated or sometimes 'fast' also depending on the situations. Komala should convey 'soft; or 'not so severe' or meaning to that effect. Best wishes E.G.Santhanam - natabara GJList Monday, April 08, 2002 8:34 PM [GJ] MUSIC DEAR List I have a question regarding Sanskrit two words. In regard to music, what TIVRA and KOMALA does mean? Aries, Gemini, Sagittarius Libra and Capricorn are considered to be Tivra notes and the rest except Leo and Cancer are Komala. I have the feeling that Tivra means High or major and Komala means Soft, flat or minor but i would like an explanation. For example. we have that the Four Stations of Vivaldi are: Spring = E major Summer = G minor Autumn = F major Winter = F minor Best wishes Natabara Das Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comY'>http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Dear E.G.Santhanam, you <<Yes, you are right in guessing the meanings of the two sanskrit words. Being a student of Sanskrit throughout, the first thought that occured o my mind is as follows: Teevra should convey(mean) Intense or concentrated or sometimes 'fast' also depending on the situations. Komala should convey 'soft; or 'not so severe' or meaning to that effect.>> Many thanks for your answer. It means that i am on the right track. Best wishes Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Dear Natabara Thank you for your observations.This gave me a chance to dig up some of my old resources to find some contradictions.I have not found any resources for music in astrology in any classics I have laid my hands on.I have limited resources basically translations. I read Pathaks article and that is one version(A.M.Jan 1989.There are other articles by different authors for your perusal: a. Zodiacal Background of Music by S Saravanabhavan A.M.June 1959. b. Musical Tunes as Astrological Remedies S Saravanabhavan A.M.Aug 1960. c. Music as an Astrological Remedy by Agastya A.M.Jul 1960. d. Astrology in Music by Kovai Mani A.M. May 1961. I got the terms for the equivalents from my music books.So I dont know whether he has used the correct terminology for the correct notes i.e.Shuddha Komal and Tivra.My music book is authoritative in this matter. The notes allocated to the signs there are two versions.The one you have given (A.M.Jan 1989 and in A.M.May 1961) and the one I have given (By Saravanabhavan) These authors generally state that their resources are from some old astrology texts. By the way in the scale of F minor the notes which may have given you an appeal are G sharp and Csharp which are the soft notes.Could also be accidental notes.If I get any further information I will let you know. God Bless. Love and Regards S Purushothaman - natabara GJList Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:44 PM [GJ] MUSIC Dear Purushothaman You << I don't know whether this is an answer to your question but nevertheless my attempt:The terms are musical terms denoting a particular note.Before I point out the notes there are two terms involved.They are Shruti and Swara.What are they?>> me Yes, I think that it answer my question although I became more confused. Lets clarify that I am hopples in music. Although I like music I cannot appreciate notes as experts can. I would like you to tell me from which source you got your information from. I got my info from an article published on the Astrological Magazine for January 1989 and written by K.K.Pathak. He said that there are in India, two schools of classical music, Hindustani and Karnataka. By this I understand North and South. The planetary relationship with the notes is the same as you have said i.e.. Planetary Relationship ( No Swaras for Rahu and Ketu) Thus musical notes are known as Sapta Swaras. Planet Swara Surya Sa Chandra Pa Mangal Dha Buddha Re Gurui Nee Shukra Ma Shani Ga However, the table for the signs is different to the one mention by you. He says S. No. Swaras Description English Notes Ruling Sign 1. dha Tivra a Mesha 2. ma KOMALA f Vrishaba 3. RE Tivra D Mithuna 4. pa __ g Kartaka 5. saa __ c Simha 6. re Komala d Kanya 7. MA TIVRA F sharp Thula 8. dha KOMALA a Vrischika 9. nee TIVRA b Dhanus 10. ga Tivra e Makara 11. ga KOMALA e Kumbha 12. NEE KOMALA ti Meena As you can see from the above table, the notes for the planets correspond exactly to the signs of the zodiac which they rule or represent. For example, Mars rules the note dha and it represents Tivra Aries and Komala Scorpio. Under the column for notes I have left in capital letters those notes that are the same as you. They are RE (or Rishava for Mercury) corresponding to the note D or Re in modern music, MA (or Madhyama for Venus) or F or Fa, and NEE (or Nisada for Jupiter) or B or Ti. In your table (see below). SHUDDHA , KOMAL & TIVRA SWARAS S. No. Swaras Swaras Description English Notes Swaras Ruling Rasis 1. Sa Shuddha (Fixed) C Mesha 2. Re Komal C sharp Vrishaba 3. Re Shuddha D Mithuna 4. Ga Komal D sharp Kataka 5. Ga Shuddha E Simha 6. Ma Shuddha F Kanya 7. Ma Tivra F sharp Thula 8. Pa Shuddha (Fixed) G Vrischaka 9. Dha Komal G sharp Dhanus 10. Dha Shuddha A Makara 11. Nee Komal A sharp Kumbha 12. Nee Shuddha B Meena **************************************************** The note Dha is connected to the signs Dhanus (Sagittarius) and Makara (Capricorn) Under the column for swara description, again I have left in capital letters the ones that are the same for your table and mine. Note that 6 signs are the same. Under the column for the English notes I have left in capital letters those notes that are the same and notice that only Gemini and Libra are similar. Mr Pathak said : “The use of music as an astrological remedy is nothing but a kind of psycho-therapy. Vocal music and instrumental music may have sometimes different impact. People with afflicted Mars or Saturn should hear more instrumental music. It will bring tears to their eyes. Persons with afflicted Sun, Moon, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn, must hear devotional songs. Devotional dance with classical music may restore balance of mind in people who have Moon-Saturn, Mars-Venus, Mars-Rahu, Sun-Ketu, Jupiter-Rahu, Sun-Saturn, or Mercury-Rahu combinations in their birth charts” Regarding classical music, at present I got hold of 16 cd’s in which some of them have the Notes used. I find that Chopin’s “Piano Concerto No.2 in F minor” and Vivaldi’s “the Four Stations, Winter (which is in f minor)” touch my heart. Perhaps this is due to the fact that my Moon is in Taurus which corresponds to the note of Venus or F minor. Best wishes Natabara DasOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 Dear Purushothaman Thank you for your email and points regarding vedic music. I can see that you have an extensive coolection of the Astrological Magazine. I only have those magazines from MArch 1977 to December 1990. Love and Regards Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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