A request for discussion and a plea for compassion

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Dear All

Last evening a spoke to a dear woman who was in the depths of dispair. You

see, an astrologer told her that although her life was going quite well in

the Rahu MD, it would all be last in the last period of Rahu Mars.

 

OK, she is a Gemini (mithuna) lagna and Mars is not the best planet for her

chart but she also has Mars in the 4th and is the mother of 3 healthy and

handsome sons. Rahu is in the 6th with Venus, lord of the 5th and 12th.

 

I do understand that the Ranhu and Mars period may be difficult but to say

that she will, without a doubt, lose all that she has accomplished by the

end of his MD is not only cruel but is assuming that the astrology is god.

This woman has already accomplished much in the MD, is physically very

beautiful, healthy, her husband loves her and their family very much and she

will also likely inherit a large amount of money in the coming years from

parents who are in their 70's.

 

If you would like to look at the chart and help me to see how you would

interpret this MD or Dasha Bhukti period I would most appreciate it. Right

now, I am saddened that astrologers can be so certain to "know" that loss is

inevitable and not see the great gifts or joys. This dear lady came out of

the session feeling hopeless and helpless and trying NOT to believe that

nothing good will happen to her until she reached the Jupiter MD. Am I

theultimate optimist? I ask her questions and see how well she is doing in

this MD and cannot assume therefore that all must be lost. By the way, this

astrologer did not seem to take transits into account, focusing upon the

progressions (I've found them to be very lacking while a western astrologer)

and the MD and Bhukti. What would any of you have told her? No need to

spend a lot of time, just your first insight or any comment would help me

understand or feel supported as I simply do not see great doom and gloom.

 

Thank you for reading this far. As always, great appreciation for the

insights of this list and I hope for lively discussion even if you tell me

I'm wrong.

 

DOB November 8, 1955 21:47 CST 96w48 32n47.

 

Confidentiality is appreciated.

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I'm nowhere near competence to advise on the chart but I think astrologers

should practise tact when counselling and not play God. That was the first

thing that my Guru taught me.

Regards

Sonia

 

cynthia novak <c.a.novak (AT) worldnet (DOT) att.net> wrote: Dear AllLast evening a spoke

to a dear woman who was in the depths of dispair. Yousee, an astrologer told her

that although her life was going quite well inthe Rahu MD, it would all be last

in the last period of Rahu Mars.OK, she is a Gemini (mithuna) lagna and Mars is

not the best planet for herchart but she also has Mars in the 4th and is the

mother of 3 healthy andhandsome sons. Rahu is in the 6th with Venus, lord of

the 5th and 12th.I do understand that the Ranhu and Mars period may be

difficult but to saythat she will, without a doubt, lose all that she has

accomplished by theend of his MD is not only cruel but is assuming that the

astrology is god.This woman has already accomplished much in the MD, is

physically verybeautiful, healthy, her husband loves her and their family very

much and shewill also likely inherit a large amount of money in the coming

years fromparents who are in their 70's.If you would like to look at the chart

and help me to see how you wouldinterpret this MD or Dasha Bhukti period I

would most appreciate it. Rightnow, I am saddened that astrologers can be so

certain to "know" that loss isinevitable and not see the great gifts or joys.

This dear lady came out ofthe session feeling hopeless and helpless and trying

NOT to believe thatnothing good will happen to her until she reached the

Jupiter MD. Am Itheultimate optimist? I ask her questions and see how well she

is doing inthis MD and cannot assume therefore that all must be lost. By the

way, thisastrologer did not seem to take transits into account, focusing upon

theprogressions (I've found them to be very lacking while a western

astrologer)and the MD and Bhukti. What would any of you have told her? No need

tospend a lot of time, just your first insight or any comment would help

meunderstand or feel supported as I simply do not see great doom and

gloom.Thank you for reading this far. As always, great appreciation for

theinsights of this list and I hope for lively discussion even if you tell

meI'm wrong.DOB November 8, 1955 21:47 CST 96w48 32n47.Confidentiality is

appreciated.Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo

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Hi Cynthia,

 

How are you?

 

Glad to see you back in routine.

I guess your 6th is back in order.

 

First of all i agree with Sonia that

the astrologer totally lacks tact.

 

Astrologers should be problem solvers

not the bearers of bad news.

I think he/she is missing the point of

being an astrologer.

 

Here are some of my observations.

 

Rahu can be good in a difficult house

especially when conjoining a benefic.

And Shukra is a natural benefic and

the lord of good 5th.

Is she in some kind of healing profession?

 

Rahu can make her fight off the negative

6th indicators such as obstacles, opposition,

disease etc. with Shukra's help in clever ways.

 

Mars is inauspicious but in the lagna lord's

sign and the Buddh is in good 5th.

Her Navamsa lagna is Gemini so Vargottama.

 

Mars is 6th lord and Mars dasa has been over.

And also 6th is an uppachaya house.

She is 46, so the major difficult part of

her life should be over and the things

can only improve.

 

Her 5th is quite loaded though.

 

As you said the Sun is debilitated and

his shadbala is quite low along with its

ruler in dusthana with low shadbala.

 

I'd suggest doing some corrective measures

for those factors and/or wearing the dasha lord

Rahu's stone,mantra and yagna.

 

I enjoy your posts and i think that

you come up with some great insights.

 

I hope this helped.

 

Hari Om

Hari Das

 

 

 

 

 

 

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>"cynthia novak" <c.a.novak

><gjlist>

>[GJ] Re: A request for discussion and a plea for compassion

>Sat, Mar 30, 2002, 11:08 AM

>

 

> Dear All

> Last evening a spoke to a dear woman who was in the depths of dispair. You

> see, an astrologer told her that although her life was going quite well in

> the Rahu MD, it would all be last in the last period of Rahu Mars.

>

> OK, she is a Gemini (mithuna) lagna and Mars is not the best planet for her

> chart but she also has Mars in the 4th and is the mother of 3 healthy and

> handsome sons. Rahu is in the 6th with Venus, lord of the 5th and 12th.

>

> I do understand that the Ranhu and Mars period may be difficult but to say

> that she will, without a doubt, lose all that she has accomplished by the

> end of his MD is not only cruel but is assuming that the astrology is god.

> This woman has already accomplished much in the MD, is physically very

> beautiful, healthy, her husband loves her and their family very much and she

> will also likely inherit a large amount of money in the coming years from

> parents who are in their 70's.

>

> If you would like to look at the chart and help me to see how you would

> interpret this MD or Dasha Bhukti period I would most appreciate it. Right

> now, I am saddened that astrologers can be so certain to "know" that loss is

> inevitable and not see the great gifts or joys. This dear lady came out of

> the session feeling hopeless and helpless and trying NOT to believe that

> nothing good will happen to her until she reached the Jupiter MD. Am I

> theultimate optimist? I ask her questions and see how well she is doing in

> this MD and cannot assume therefore that all must be lost. By the way, this

> astrologer did not seem to take transits into account, focusing upon the

> progressions (I've found them to be very lacking while a western astrologer)

> and the MD and Bhukti. What would any of you have told her? No need to

> spend a lot of time, just your first insight or any comment would help me

> understand or feel supported as I simply do not see great doom and gloom.

>

> Thank you for reading this far. As always, great appreciation for the

> insights of this list and I hope for lively discussion even if you tell me

> I'm wrong.

>

> DOB November 8, 1955 21:47 CST 96w48 32n47.

>

> Confidentiality is appreciated.

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello

Thank you for your input.

 

> Hi Cynthia,

>

> How are you?

>

> Glad to see you back in routine.

> I guess your 6th is back in order.

>

Yes, thank you, I have Rahu transiting lord of my 4th and had a crabby

neighbor, but put up a good fence and now am back to preparing my rose

garden, am ready to plant very soon!

 

> First of all i agree with Sonia that

> the astrologer totally lacks tact.

>

> Astrologers should be problem solvers

> not the bearers of bad news.

> I think he/she is missing the point of

> being an astrologer.

>

> Here are some of my observations.

>

> Rahu can be good in a difficult house

> especially when conjoining a benefic.

> And Shukra is a natural benefic and

> the lord of good 5th.

> Is she in some kind of healing profession?

>

she is an astrologer (we are probably the most sensitive to an insensitive

reading <grins>)

 

[> Rahu can make her fight off the negative

> 6th indicators such as obstacles, opposition,

> disease etc. with Shukra's help in clever ways.

>

> Mars is inauspicious but in the lagna lord's

> sign and the Buddh is in good 5th.

> Her Navamsa lagna is Gemini so Vargottama.

>

> Mars is 6th lord and Mars dasa has been over.

> And also 6th is an uppachaya house.

> She is 46, so the major difficult part of

> her life should be over and the things

> can only improve.

>

This is what I thought as well. I know that Rahu often makes it difficult

to see or feel the good things.

I suspect that is the biggest challenge in the Rahu MD.

> Her 5th is quite loaded though.

>

> As you said the Sun is debilitated and

> his shadbala is quite low along with its

> ruler in dusthana with low shadbala.

>

I find it ironic that many who are born with Sun in Libra are very

attractive but have a hard time "knowing" their worth. Each constellation

has its cross to bare.

 

> I'd suggest doing some corrective measures

> for those factors and/or wearing the dasha lord

> Rahu's stone,mantra and yagna.

>

I think this is a good idea. I'm not sure about the Rahu stone, this isn't

my area of expertice. She does wear MArs' stone Red coral set in gold.

 

> I enjoy your posts and i think that

> you come up with some great insights.

>

> I hope this helped.

>

Thank you the appreciation is mutual.

cynthia

> Hari Om

> Hari Das

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> >"cynthia novak" <c.a.novak

> ><gjlist>

> >[GJ] Re: A request for discussion and a plea for compassion

> >Sat, Mar 30, 2002, 11:08 AM

> >

>

> > Dear All

> > Last evening a spoke to a dear woman who was in the depths of dispair.

You

> > see, an astrologer told her that although her life was going quite well

in

> > the Rahu MD, it would all be last in the last period of Rahu Mars.

> >

> > OK, she is a Gemini (mithuna) lagna and Mars is not the best planet for

her

> > chart but she also has Mars in the 4th and is the mother of 3 healthy

and

> > handsome sons. Rahu is in the 6th with Venus, lord of the 5th and 12th.

> >

> > I do understand that the Ranhu and Mars period may be difficult but to

say

> > that she will, without a doubt, lose all that she has accomplished by

the

> > end of his MD is not only cruel but is assuming that the astrology is

god.

> > This woman has already accomplished much in the MD, is physically very

> > beautiful, healthy, her husband loves her and their family very much and

she

> > will also likely inherit a large amount of money in the coming years

from

> > parents who are in their 70's.

> >

> > If you would like to look at the chart and help me to see how you would

> > interpret this MD or Dasha Bhukti period I would most appreciate it.

Right

> > now, I am saddened that astrologers can be so certain to "know" that

loss is

> > inevitable and not see the great gifts or joys. This dear lady came out

of

> > the session feeling hopeless and helpless and trying NOT to believe that

> > nothing good will happen to her until she reached the Jupiter MD. Am I

> > theultimate optimist? I ask her questions and see how well she is doing

in

> > this MD and cannot assume therefore that all must be lost. By the way,

this

> > astrologer did not seem to take transits into account, focusing upon the

> > progressions (I've found them to be very lacking while a western

astrologer)

> > and the MD and Bhukti. What would any of you have told her? No need to

> > spend a lot of time, just your first insight or any comment would help

me

> > understand or feel supported as I simply do not see great doom and

gloom.

> >

> > Thank you for reading this far. As always, great appreciation for the

> > insights of this list and I hope for lively discussion even if you tell

me

> > I'm wrong.

> >

> > DOB November 8, 1955 21:47 CST 96w48 32n47.

> >

> > Confidentiality is appreciated.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> > : gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

> >

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Cynthia,

 

To put it bluntly, this woman wearing Mars

stone is wrong.

 

Mars is a natural malefic.

Mars is the lord of dusthana 6th and

inauspicious 11th.

This makes him doubly inauspicious.

 

Mars sits in 4th of home and emotional

happiness.

This is not good at all and Mars bhukti

is coming up.

 

Rahu is considered afflicted in dusthana,

and also it is said that you wear the dasa

lord's stone during his dasa.

 

Hari Om

Hari Das

 

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>"cynthia novak" <c.a.novak

><gjlist>

>Re: [GJ] Re: A request for discussion and a plea for compassion

>Sun, Mar 31, 2002, 10:35 PM

>

 

> Hello

> Thank you for your input.

>

>> Hi Cynthia,

>>

>> How are you?

>>

>> Glad to see you back in routine.

>> I guess your 6th is back in order.

>>

> Yes, thank you, I have Rahu transiting lord of my 4th and had a crabby

> neighbor, but put up a good fence and now am back to preparing my rose

> garden, am ready to plant very soon!

>

>> First of all i agree with Sonia that

>> the astrologer totally lacks tact.

>>

>> Astrologers should be problem solvers

>> not the bearers of bad news.

>> I think he/she is missing the point of

>> being an astrologer.

>>

>> Here are some of my observations.

>>

>> Rahu can be good in a difficult house

>> especially when conjoining a benefic.

>> And Shukra is a natural benefic and

>> the lord of good 5th.

>> Is she in some kind of healing profession?

>>

> she is an astrologer (we are probably the most sensitive to an insensitive

> reading <grins>)

>

> [> Rahu can make her fight off the negative

>> 6th indicators such as obstacles, opposition,

>> disease etc. with Shukra's help in clever ways.

>>

>> Mars is inauspicious but in the lagna lord's

>> sign and the Buddh is in good 5th.

>> Her Navamsa lagna is Gemini so Vargottama.

>>

>> Mars is 6th lord and Mars dasa has been over.

>> And also 6th is an uppachaya house.

>> She is 46, so the major difficult part of

>> her life should be over and the things

>> can only improve.

>>

> This is what I thought as well. I know that Rahu often makes it difficult

> to see or feel the good things.

> I suspect that is the biggest challenge in the Rahu MD.

>> Her 5th is quite loaded though.

>>

>> As you said the Sun is debilitated and

>> his shadbala is quite low along with its

>> ruler in dusthana with low shadbala.

>>

> I find it ironic that many who are born with Sun in Libra are very

> attractive but have a hard time "knowing" their worth. Each constellation

> has its cross to bare.

>

>> I'd suggest doing some corrective measures

>> for those factors and/or wearing the dasha lord

>> Rahu's stone,mantra and yagna.

>>

> I think this is a good idea. I'm not sure about the Rahu stone, this isn't

> my area of expertice. She does wear MArs' stone Red coral set in gold.

>

>> I enjoy your posts and i think that

>> you come up with some great insights.

>>

>> I hope this helped.

>>

> Thank you the appreciation is mutual.

> cynthia

>> Hari Om

>> Hari Das

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ----------

>> >"cynthia novak" <c.a.novak

>> ><gjlist>

>> >[GJ] Re: A request for discussion and a plea for compassion

>> >Sat, Mar 30, 2002, 11:08 AM

>> >

>>

>> > Dear All

>> > Last evening a spoke to a dear woman who was in the depths of dispair.

> You

>> > see, an astrologer told her that although her life was going quite well

> in

>> > the Rahu MD, it would all be last in the last period of Rahu Mars.

>> >

>> > OK, she is a Gemini (mithuna) lagna and Mars is not the best planet for

> her

>> > chart but she also has Mars in the 4th and is the mother of 3 healthy

> and

>> > handsome sons. Rahu is in the 6th with Venus, lord of the 5th and 12th.

>> >

>> > I do understand that the Ranhu and Mars period may be difficult but to

> say

>> > that she will, without a doubt, lose all that she has accomplished by

> the

>> > end of his MD is not only cruel but is assuming that the astrology is

> god.

>> > This woman has already accomplished much in the MD, is physically very

>> > beautiful, healthy, her husband loves her and their family very much and

> she

>> > will also likely inherit a large amount of money in the coming years

> from

>> > parents who are in their 70's.

>> >

>> > If you would like to look at the chart and help me to see how you would

>> > interpret this MD or Dasha Bhukti period I would most appreciate it.

> Right

>> > now, I am saddened that astrologers can be so certain to "know" that

> loss is

>> > inevitable and not see the great gifts or joys. This dear lady came out

> of

>> > the session feeling hopeless and helpless and trying NOT to believe that

>> > nothing good will happen to her until she reached the Jupiter MD. Am I

>> > theultimate optimist? I ask her questions and see how well she is doing

> in

>> > this MD and cannot assume therefore that all must be lost. By the way,

> this

>> > astrologer did not seem to take transits into account, focusing upon the

>> > progressions (I've found them to be very lacking while a western

> astrologer)

>> > and the MD and Bhukti. What would any of you have told her? No need to

>> > spend a lot of time, just your first insight or any comment would help

> me

>> > understand or feel supported as I simply do not see great doom and

> gloom.

>> >

>> > Thank you for reading this far. As always, great appreciation for the

>> > insights of this list and I hope for lively discussion even if you tell

> me

>> > I'm wrong.

>> >

>> > DOB November 8, 1955 21:47 CST 96w48 32n47.

>> >

>> > Confidentiality is appreciated.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

>> > : gjlist-

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Your use of is subject to

>

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>>

>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

>> : gjlist-

>>

>>

>>

>> Your use of is subject to

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

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>

[Guest guest]

Dear Cynthia

The end of Rahu MD is often traumatic but it definitely does not mean that

one loses everything .

I see more a potential for health issues rather than financial loss .

The loss of all wealth and status in the end of Rahu MD is usually

associated with these things being obtained by deception .

My father lost his position in parliament ,his legal practise went into

decline and there were some family and health problems at the end of Rahu

MD but it is not that everything collapsed and things were reestablished in

Jupiter MD .

The client should never be left confused and anxious . This astrologer is

not a good practitioner to leave the client like that .

I would suggest that the client take precautions with health and be

conservative financially .

Best Wishes

Nicholas

 

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"cynthia novak" <c.a.novak

<gjlist>

Sunday, March 31, 2002 2:08 AM

[GJ] Re: A request for discussion and a plea for compassion

 

 

> Dear All

> Last evening a spoke to a dear woman who was in the depths of dispair.

You

> see, an astrologer told her that although her life was going quite well in

> the Rahu MD, it would all be last in the last period of Rahu Mars.

>

> OK, she is a Gemini (mithuna) lagna and Mars is not the best planet for

her

> chart but she also has Mars in the 4th and is the mother of 3 healthy and

> handsome sons. Rahu is in the 6th with Venus, lord of the 5th and 12th.

>

> I do understand that the Ranhu and Mars period may be difficult but to

say

> that she will, without a doubt, lose all that she has accomplished by the

> end of his MD is not only cruel but is assuming that the astrology is god.

> This woman has already accomplished much in the MD, is physically very

> beautiful, healthy, her husband loves her and their family very much and

she

> will also likely inherit a large amount of money in the coming years from

> parents who are in their 70's.

>

> If you would like to look at the chart and help me to see how you would

> interpret this MD or Dasha Bhukti period I would most appreciate it.

Right

> now, I am saddened that astrologers can be so certain to "know" that loss

is

> inevitable and not see the great gifts or joys. This dear lady came out

of

> the session feeling hopeless and helpless and trying NOT to believe that

> nothing good will happen to her until she reached the Jupiter MD. Am I

> theultimate optimist? I ask her questions and see how well she is doing

in

> this MD and cannot assume therefore that all must be lost. By the way,

this

> astrologer did not seem to take transits into account, focusing upon the

> progressions (I've found them to be very lacking while a western

astrologer)

> and the MD and Bhukti. What would any of you have told her? No need to

> spend a lot of time, just your first insight or any comment would help me

> understand or feel supported as I simply do not see great doom and gloom.

>

> Thank you for reading this far. As always, great appreciation for the

> insights of this list and I hope for lively discussion even if you tell me

> I'm wrong.

>

> DOB November 8, 1955 21:47 CST 96w48 32n47.

>

> Confidentiality is appreciated.

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>