Guest guest Posted March 17, 2002 Report Share Posted March 17, 2002 Hi, I would like to know what are the effects of Rahu/Ketu or Saturn Debilitated in a horoscope. Since these are natural malefics, if they are debilitated, should we consider the horoscope good? Also, what is the significance of them as 6th, 8th or 12th lords or in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. Do they mean that the effect of the 'bad' houses is reduced and the horoscope is good? Thanx in anticipation Regards HR Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 Hi I have been taught a very simple method of analysis i.e. a minus and a minus = a plus meaning bad plus bad = good One shud also consider the lord of the house where the malefic sits. If this is in a kendra, there is said to be cancellation of debilitation. However, I have also read somewhere that the malefic influence still manifests although in a lesser degree as it is confined within a malefic environment as opposed to being let loose in a benefic house. Wud like to be enlightened too by the experts as to what real-life interpretations are. Regards Sonia --- H R <hr_astro wrote: > Hi, > I would like to know what are the effects of > Rahu/Ketu or Saturn Debilitated in a horoscope. > > Since these are natural malefics, if they are > debilitated, should we consider the horoscope good? > > Also, what is the significance of them as 6th, 8th > or > 12th lords or in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. Do > they > mean that the effect of the 'bad' houses is reduced > and the horoscope is good? > > Thanx in anticipation > Regards > HR > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my. > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > : > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 Dear HR, There is no fixed meaning of Rahu/Ketu or deb Saturn in the horoscope. A lot depends on the influences on them. If they are negative, then, yes, these will become very malefic. However, if their dispositors are wellplaced and the are well aspected, etc, then they needn't be as damaging. Rahu may infact be quite benefic. As for dusthana lords in dusthana houses, yes, their negative effect is reduced and they can show very good results. So for example, 8th lord in 8th house may suggest inheritance, strong will, etc. Chris At 05:43 AM 3/18/02 +0000, H R wrote: >Hi, >I would like to know what are the effects of >Rahu/Ketu or Saturn Debilitated in a horoscope. > >Since these are natural malefics, if they are >debilitated, should we consider the horoscope good? > >Also, what is the significance of them as 6th, 8th or >12th lords or in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. Do they >mean that the effect of the 'bad' houses is reduced >and the horoscope is good? > >Thanx in anticipation >Regards >HR > > > >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my. > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 Dear Sonia, Malefic planets are those planets whose Mool trikon sign falls in 6th. 8th,& 12th house. Whenever these planets are weak they cannot protect their significance.Suppose 6th lord Moon is weak(by strength & placement) it will give obstruction in financial stability, health & loss through conflicts. This is one parameter for malefic planet. Other way, if a malefic Moon is placed in 2nd house it will give disputed status, conflict in family affairs & accumulated wealth and if Moon is placed in 8th house it will give not only obstruction in health & financial stability but also dispute in marital tie, inheritance, curtail longevity (depending on the strength of 1st lord, 8th lord & Saturn) The placement of any planet, benefic or malefic cannot change the functional nature of any planet. Hope this helps. With Best Wishes Narinder Juneja www.MyWebAstrologer.com - sonia tanganchi <dhanus10 <gjlist> Monday, March 18, 2002 2:21 PM Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > Hi > > I have been taught a very simple method of analysis > i.e. > a minus and a minus = a plus meaning > bad plus bad = good > > One shud also consider the lord of the house where the > malefic sits. If this is in a kendra, there is said to > be cancellation of debilitation. > > However, I have also read somewhere that the malefic > influence still manifests although in a lesser degree > as it is confined within a malefic environment as > opposed to being let loose in a benefic house. > > Wud like to be enlightened too by the experts as to > what real-life interpretations are. > > Regards > Sonia > > --- H R <hr_astro wrote: > > Hi, > > I would like to know what are the effects of > > Rahu/Ketu or Saturn Debilitated in a horoscope. > > > > Since these are natural malefics, if they are > > debilitated, should we consider the horoscope good? > > > > Also, what is the significance of them as 6th, 8th > > or > > 12th lords or in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. Do > > they > > mean that the effect of the 'bad' houses is reduced > > and the horoscope is good? > > > > Thanx in anticipation > > Regards > > HR > > > > > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my. > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > > Sat > > : > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > http://sports./ > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 Dear Sonia Most simple assessments are a little too simplistic .Jyotish is complex and assessment is a time consuming business. A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even more harmful imho . A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana damages the dusthana and damages the Lord but it keeps it away from the more productive areas of the chart and could be said to lift the tone of the chart .For example12th in 8th it is specifically stated gives good character but only mediocre longevity . However it should also be remembered that jyotish is not black and white and the dusthana houses are not all bad and the other houses are not all good . The 8th house is considered very inauspicious but it is also the house of transformations which enable the native to change or refashion their life which is ordinarily not so easy to do .The much admired 11th house seems good because it is desire fulfilling but in real life you will find that it can create insatiability which immerses the native more and more in unhappiness and frustration . Hope this helps Nicholas - "sonia tanganchi" <dhanus10 <gjlist> Monday, March 18, 2002 7:51 PM Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > Hi > > I have been taught a very simple method of analysis > i.e. > a minus and a minus = a plus meaning > bad plus bad = good > > One shud also consider the lord of the house where the > malefic sits. If this is in a kendra, there is said to > be cancellation of debilitation. > > However, I have also read somewhere that the malefic > influence still manifests although in a lesser degree > as it is confined within a malefic environment as > opposed to being let loose in a benefic house. > > Wud like to be enlightened too by the experts as to > what real-life interpretations are. > > Regards > Sonia > > --- H R <hr_astro wrote: > > Hi, > > I would like to know what are the effects of > > Rahu/Ketu or Saturn Debilitated in a horoscope. > > > > Since these are natural malefics, if they are > > debilitated, should we consider the horoscope good? > > > > Also, what is the significance of them as 6th, 8th > > or > > 12th lords or in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. Do > > they > > mean that the effect of the 'bad' houses is reduced > > and the horoscope is good? > > > > Thanx in anticipation > > Regards > > HR > > > > > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my. > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > > Sat > > : > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > http://sports./ > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 Dear HR, Rahu,Ketu are malefic for all of the ascendants and Saturn is malefic for cancer, Virgo and Pisces ascendant. The malefic effects depend on debilitation, placement of planets (in a good house or malefic 6th,8th,12th house) and their distance from the Mid point of ascendant. The 6th house(containing a mool trikon sign) rules health, financial stability & conflicts. In the case of 8th house it rules marital tie, longevity, inheritance & gains. In the case of 12th house it rules bed comforts, sleep, health, hospitalization, expenses, losses, foreign relations etc. If these planets are strong & well placed the native enjoys the significance of these houses. If weak by strength & placement and afflicting mid point of ascendant, they are not capable to protect/promote their significance and also deteriorate the significance of those houses which are aspected by them. With Best Wishes Narinder Juneja www.MyWebAstrologer.com - H R <hr_astro <gjlist> Monday, March 18, 2002 11:13 AM [GJ] Debilitated planets? > Hi, > I would like to know what are the effects of > Rahu/Ketu or Saturn Debilitated in a horoscope. > > Since these are natural malefics, if they are > debilitated, should we consider the horoscope good? > > Also, what is the significance of them as 6th, 8th or > 12th lords or in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. Do they > mean that the effect of the 'bad' houses is reduced > and the horoscope is good? > > Thanx in anticipation > Regards > HR > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my. > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 Hi Nicholas Thanks. It certainly helps in widening my perspective on dusthanas. However, may I please ask another question ? I have in my database for learning, a native (Lagna in Scorpio) who has Saturn debilitated in the 6th house and she's doing very well in her job. Her health is good too, thus far. Her mother also takes really good care. The native is in her early thirties. This has been puzzling me? Does the signification of the planets only manifest in their dasa period? The KP system however goes by the nakshatra lord of the dasa lord. In your experience, how far is this true? You are right, Jyotish analysis is really complicated and I get lost alot of the time. Regards LaiLin --- Nicholas <jyotish108 wrote: > Dear Sonia > Most simple assessments are a little too simplistic > .Jyotish is complex and > assessment is a time consuming business. > A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even more > harmful imho . > A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana damages > the dusthana and damages > the Lord but it keeps it away from the more > productive areas of the chart > and could be said to lift the tone of the chart .For > example12th in 8th it > is specifically stated gives good character but only > mediocre longevity . > However it should also be remembered that jyotish is > not black and white and > the dusthana houses are not all bad and the other > houses are not all good . > The 8th house is considered very inauspicious but it > is also the house of > transformations which enable the native to change or > refashion their life > which is ordinarily not so easy to do .The much > admired 11th house seems > good because it is desire fulfilling but in real > life you will find that it > can create insatiability which immerses the native > more and more in > unhappiness and frustration . > Hope this helps > Nicholas > - > "sonia tanganchi" <dhanus10 > <gjlist> > Monday, March 18, 2002 7:51 PM > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > > Hi > > > > I have been taught a very simple method of > analysis > > i.e. > > a minus and a minus = a plus meaning > > bad plus bad = good > > > > One shud also consider the lord of the house where > the > > malefic sits. If this is in a kendra, there is > said to > > be cancellation of debilitation. > > > > However, I have also read somewhere that the > malefic > > influence still manifests although in a lesser > degree > > as it is confined within a malefic environment as > > opposed to being let loose in a benefic house. > > > > Wud like to be enlightened too by the experts as > to > > what real-life interpretations are. > > > > Regards > > Sonia > > > > --- H R <hr_astro wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I would like to know what are the effects of > > > Rahu/Ketu or Saturn Debilitated in a horoscope. > > > > > > Since these are natural malefics, if they are > > > debilitated, should we consider the horoscope > good? > > > > > > Also, what is the significance of them as 6th, > 8th > > > or > > > 12th lords or in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. > Do > > > they > > > mean that the effect of the 'bad' houses is > reduced > > > and the horoscope is good? > > > > > > Thanx in anticipation > > > Regards > > > HR > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > > http://uk.my. > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om > Tat > > > Sat > > > : > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > > http://sports./ > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > > : > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > : > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 Dear Narinder Thank you for the enlightening explanation. Regards Sonia --- Narinder Juneja <pbk wrote: > > Dear Sonia, > > Malefic planets are those planets whose Mool trikon > sign falls in 6th. 8th,& > 12th house. Whenever these planets are weak they > cannot protect their > significance.Suppose 6th lord Moon is weak(by > strength & placement) it will > give obstruction in financial stability, health & > loss through conflicts. > This is one parameter for malefic planet. Other way, > if a malefic Moon is > placed in 2nd house it will give disputed status, > conflict in family affairs > & accumulated wealth and if Moon is placed in 8th > house it will give not > only obstruction in health & financial stability but > also dispute in marital > tie, inheritance, curtail longevity (depending on > the strength of 1st lord, > 8th lord & Saturn) > > The placement of any planet, benefic or malefic > cannot change the functional > nature of any planet. > > Hope this helps. > > With Best Wishes > > Narinder Juneja > > www.MyWebAstrologer.com > > - > sonia tanganchi <dhanus10 > <gjlist> > Monday, March 18, 2002 2:21 PM > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > > Hi > > > > I have been taught a very simple method of > analysis > > i.e. > > a minus and a minus = a plus meaning > > bad plus bad = good > > > > One shud also consider the lord of the house where > the > > malefic sits. If this is in a kendra, there is > said to > > be cancellation of debilitation. > > > > However, I have also read somewhere that the > malefic > > influence still manifests although in a lesser > degree > > as it is confined within a malefic environment as > > opposed to being let loose in a benefic house. > > > > Wud like to be enlightened too by the experts as > to > > what real-life interpretations are. > > > > Regards > > Sonia > > > > --- H R <hr_astro wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I would like to know what are the effects of > > > Rahu/Ketu or Saturn Debilitated in a horoscope. > > > > > > Since these are natural malefics, if they are > > > debilitated, should we consider the horoscope > good? > > > > > > Also, what is the significance of them as 6th, > 8th > > > or > > > 12th lords or in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. > Do > > > they > > > mean that the effect of the 'bad' houses is > reduced > > > and the horoscope is good? > > > > > > Thanx in anticipation > > > Regards > > > HR > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > > http://uk.my. > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om > Tat > > > Sat > > > : > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > > http://sports./ > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > > : > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > : > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2002 Report Share Posted March 19, 2002 Dear Lailin or Sonia The ill effects of having Saturn debilitated in the 6th are more likely to be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis or Pratyantara dashas . These could include difficulties ,unhappiness or delays with home,mother ,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of these areas are ruled exclusively by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of the chart is required .The debilitation is relieved by good aspect and can be aggravated by bad transits . I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP to comment extensively on it . There are good practitioners of it but many find it quite complicated . During a dasha of a planet you should consider the planets placed in the nakshatras of the dasha Lord . Systems Approach is a good ,simple method that can increase confidence for newcomers . Hope this helps Nicholas >sonia tanganchi <dhanus10 >gjlist >gjlist >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? >Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:08:09 -0800 (PST) > >Hi Nicholas > >Thanks. It certainly helps in widening my perspective >on dusthanas. > >However, may I please ask another question ? >I have in my database for learning, a native (Lagna in >Scorpio) who has Saturn debilitated in the 6th house >and she's doing very well in her job. Her health is >good too, thus far. Her mother also takes really good >care. The native is in her early thirties. This has >been puzzling me? > >Does the signification of the planets only manifest in >their dasa period? The KP system however goes by the >nakshatra lord of the dasa lord. In your experience, >how far is this true? > >You are right, Jyotish analysis is really complicated >and I get lost alot of the time. > >Regards >LaiLin > > > >--- Nicholas <jyotish108 wrote: > > Dear Sonia > > Most simple assessments are a little too simplistic > > .Jyotish is complex and > > assessment is a time consuming business. > > A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even more > > harmful imho . > > A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana damages > > the dusthana and damages > > the Lord but it keeps it away from the more > > productive areas of the chart > > and could be said to lift the tone of the chart .For > > example12th in 8th it > > is specifically stated gives good character but only > > mediocre longevity . > > However it should also be remembered that jyotish is > > not black and white and > > the dusthana houses are not all bad and the other > > houses are not all good . > > The 8th house is considered very inauspicious but it > > is also the house of > > transformations which enable the native to change or > > refashion their life > > which is ordinarily not so easy to do .The much > > admired 11th house seems > > good because it is desire fulfilling but in real > > life you will find that it > > can create insatiability which immerses the native > > more and more in > > unhappiness and frustration . > > Hope this helps > > Nicholas > > - > > "sonia tanganchi" <dhanus10 > > <gjlist> > > Monday, March 18, 2002 7:51 PM > > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I have been taught a very simple method of > > analysis > > > i.e. > > > a minus and a minus = a plus meaning > > > bad plus bad = good > > > > > > One shud also consider the lord of the house where > > the > > > malefic sits. If this is in a kendra, there is > > said to > > > be cancellation of debilitation. > > > > > > However, I have also read somewhere that the > > malefic > > > influence still manifests although in a lesser > > degree > > > as it is confined within a malefic environment as > > > opposed to being let loose in a benefic house. > > > > > > Wud like to be enlightened too by the experts as > > to > > > what real-life interpretations are. > > > > > > Regards > > > Sonia > > > > > > --- H R <hr_astro wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I would like to know what are the effects of > > > > Rahu/Ketu or Saturn Debilitated in a horoscope. > > > > > > > > Since these are natural malefics, if they are > > > > debilitated, should we consider the horoscope > > good? > > > > > > > > Also, what is the significance of them as 6th, > > 8th > > > > or > > > > 12th lords or in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. > > Do > > > > they > > > > mean that the effect of the 'bad' houses is > > reduced > > > > and the horoscope is good? > > > > > > > > Thanx in anticipation > > > > Regards > > > > HR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > > > http://uk.my. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om > > Tat > > > > Sat > > > > : > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > > > http://sports./ > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > > Sat > > > : > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > > Sat > > : > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage >http://sports./ > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > ni _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 Sorry about the confusion on the names. I prefer Sonia as it sounds more 'astrologyish'. Thanks for your help. The native will be starting Saturn dasa on Sep 27 2002. She has Jupiter (3 degrees in Libra) and Moon (8 degrees in Libra) in the 12th aspecting Saturn (24 degrees Aries). Could these beneficial rays mitigate the difficulties somewhat? Saturn is in Bharani Nakshatra which lord is Venus. Will Venus as lord of 7 & 12th and Jupiter as lord of 2 cause some problems with health ? The rest of the placings are Lagna in Scorpio 19 degrees, Rahu 13 degrees Aquarius, Mercury 9 degrees Taurus, Sun and Mercury at 0 degrees 27 mins and 15 degrees Gemini respectively, Venus in 5 degrees Cancer and Ketu in Leo 13 degrees. Regards Sonia Nicholas Francis <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Lailin or SoniaThe ill effects of having Saturn debilitated in the 6th are more likely to be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis or Pratyantara dashas .These could include difficulties ,unhappiness or delays with home,mother ,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of these areas are ruled exclusively by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of the chart is required .The debilitation is relieved by good aspect and can be aggravated by bad transits .I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP to comment extensively on it .There are good practitioners of it but many find it quite complicated . During a dasha of a planet you should consider the planets placed in the nakshatras of the dasha Lord . Systems Approach is a good ,simple method that can increase confidence for newcomers ..Hope this helpsNicholas>sonia tanganchi > gjlist>gjlist>Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?>Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:08:09 -0800 (PST)>>Hi Nicholas>>Thanks. It certainly helps in widening my perspective>on dusthanas.>>However, may I please ask another question ?>I have in my database for learning, a native (Lagna in>Scorpio) who has Saturn debilitated in the 6th house>and she's doing very well in her job. Her health is>good too, thus far. Her mother also takes really good>care. The native is in her early thirties. This has>been puzzling me?>>Does the signification of the planets only manifest in>their dasa period? The KP system however goes by the>nakshatra lord of the dasa lord. In your experience,>how far is this true?>>You are right, Jyotish analysis is really complicated>and I get lost alot of the time.>>Regards>LaiLin>>>>--- Nicholas wrote:> > Dear Sonia> > Most simple assessments are a little too simplistic> > ..Jyotish is complex and> > assessment is a time consuming business.> > A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even more> > harmful imho .> > A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana damages> > the dusthana and damages> > the Lord but it keeps it away from the more> > productive areas of the chart> > and could be said to lift the tone of the chart .For> > example12th in 8th it> > is specifically stated gives good character but only> > mediocre longevity .> > However it should also be remembered that jyotish is> > not black and white and> > the dusthana houses are not all bad and the other> > houses are not all good .> > The 8th house is considered very inauspicious but it> > is also the house of> > transformations which enable the native to change or> > refashion their life> > which is ordinarily not so easy to do .The much> > admired 11th house seems> > good because it is desire fulfilling but in real> > life you will find that it> > can create insatiability which immerses the native> > more and more in> > unhappiness and frustration .> > Hope this helps> > Nicholas> > -> > "sonia tanganchi" > > > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 7:51 PM> > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> >> >> > > Hi> > >> > > I have been taught a very simple method of> > analysis> > > i.e.> > > a minus and a minus = a plus meaning> > > bad plus bad = good> > >> > > One shud also consider the lord of the house where> > the> > > malefic sits. If this is in a kendra, there is> > said to> > > be cancellation of debilitation.> > >> > > However, I have also read somewhere that the> > malefic> > > influence still manifests although in a lesser> > degree> > > as it is confined within a malefic environment as> > > opposed to being let loose in a benefic house.> > >> > > Wud like to be enlightened too by the experts as> > to> > > what real-life interpretations are.> > >> > > Regards> > > Sonia> > >> > > --- H R wrote:> > > > Hi,> > > > I would like to know what are the effects of> > > > Rahu/Ketu or Saturn Debilitated in a horoscope.> > > >> > > > Since these are natural malefics, if they are> > > > debilitated, should we consider the horoscope> > good?> > > >> > > > Also, what is the significance of them as 6th,> > 8th> > > > or> > > > 12th lords or in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses.> > Do> > > > they> > > > mean that the effect of the 'bad' houses is> > reduced> > > > and the horoscope is good?> > > >> > > > Thanx in anticipation> > > > Regards> > > > HR> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page> > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts> > > > http://uk.my.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om> > Tat> > > > Sat> > > > To , send an email to:> > > > gjlist-> > > > http://www.goravani.com>'>http://www.goravani.com> > > >> > > >> > > > Your use of is subject to> > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage> > > http://sports./> > >> > >> > >> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat> > Sat> > > To , send an email to:> > gjlist-> > > http://www.goravani.com>'>http://www.goravani.com> > >> > >> > > Your use of is subject to> > > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat> > Sat> > :> > gjlist-> > http://www.goravani.com>'>http://www.goravani.com> >> >> > Your use of is subject to> > > >> >>>>>> Sports - live college hoops coverage>http://sports./>>>>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat>To , send an email to: gjlist->http://www.goravani.com>>>Your use of Groups is subject to >>ni_______________Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.comOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 Dear Sonia The health difficulties are likely to manifest once the Saturn period starts ..This could be a case wher the native is going to move from a stronger period to a weaker one . She woulod do well to regulate her diet and get sufficient exercise and water before the difficult conditions arise .Note also that Saturn will go into the 8th house . Best Wishes Nicholas >sonia tanganchi <dhanus10 >gjlist >gjlist >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? >Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:12:28 -0800 (PST) > > > Dear Nicholas >Sorry about the confusion on the names. I prefer Sonia as it sounds more >'astrologyish'. >Thanks for your help. The native will be starting Saturn dasa on Sep 27 >2002. She has Jupiter (3 degrees in Libra) and Moon (8 degrees in Libra) in >the 12th aspecting Saturn (24 degrees Aries). Could these beneficial rays >mitigate the difficulties somewhat? Saturn is in Bharani Nakshatra which >lord is Venus. Will Venus as lord of 7 & 12th and Jupiter as lord of 2 >cause some problems with health ? >The rest of the placings are Lagna in Scorpio 19 degrees, Rahu 13 degrees >Aquarius, Mercury 9 degrees Taurus, Sun and Mercury at 0 degrees 27 mins >and 15 degrees Gemini respectively, Venus in 5 degrees Cancer and Ketu in >Leo 13 degrees. >Regards >Sonia > > Nicholas Francis <jyotish108 wrote: >Dear Lailin or Sonia >The ill effects of having Saturn debilitated in the 6th are more likely to >be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis or Pratyantara dashas . >These could include difficulties ,unhappiness or delays with home,mother >,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of these areas are ruled exclusively >by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of the chart is required .The >debilitation is relieved by good aspect and can be aggravated by bad >transits . > >I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP to comment extensively on it . >There are good practitioners of it but many find it quite complicated . >During a dasha of a planet you should consider the planets placed in the >nakshatras of the dasha Lord . Systems Approach is a good ,simple method >that can increase confidence for newcomers . >Hope this helps >Nicholas > > >sonia tanganchi > >gjlist > >gjlist > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > >Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:08:09 -0800 (PST) > > > >Hi Nicholas > > > >Thanks. It certainly helps in widening my perspective > >on dusthanas. > > > >However, may I please ask another question ? > >I have in my database for learning, a native (Lagna in > >Scorpio) who has Saturn debilitated in the 6th house > >and she's doing very well in her job. Her health is > >good too, thus far. Her mother also takes really good > >care. The native is in her early thirties. This has > >been puzzling me? > > > >Does the signification of the planets only manifest in > >their dasa period? The KP system however goes by the > >nakshatra lord of the dasa lord. In your experience, > >how far is this true? > > > >You are right, Jyotish analysis is really complicated > >and I get lost alot of the time. > > > >Regards > >LaiLin > > > > > > > >--- Nicholas wrote: > > > Dear Sonia > > > Most simple assessments are a little too simplistic > > > .Jyotish is complex and > > > assessment is a time consuming business. > > > A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even more > > > harmful imho . > > > A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana damages > > > the dusthana and damages > > > the Lord but it keeps it away from the more > > > productive areas of the chart > > > and could be said to lift the tone of the chart .For > > > example12th in 8th it > > > is specifically stated gives good character but only > > > mediocre longevity . > > > However it should also be remembered that jyotish is > > > not black and white and > > > the dusthana houses are not all bad and the other > > > houses are not all good . > > > The 8th house is considered very inauspicious but it > > > is also the house of > > > transformations which enable the native to change or > > > refashion their life > > > which is ordinarily not so easy to do .The much > > > admired 11th house seems > > > good because it is desire fulfilling but in real > > > life you will find that it > > > can create insatiability which immerses the native > > > more and more in > > > unhappiness and frustration . > > > Hope this helps > > > Nicholas > > > - > > > "sonia tanganchi" > > > To: > > > Monday, March 18, 2002 7:51 PM > > > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I have been taught a very simple method of > > > analysis > > > > i.e. > > > > a minus and a minus = a plus meaning > > > > bad plus bad = good > > > > > > > > One shud also consider the lord of the house where > > > the > > > > malefic sits. If this is in a kendra, there is > > > said to > > > > be cancellation of debilitation. > > > > > > > > However, I have also read somewhere that the > > > malefic > > > > influence still manifests although in a lesser > > > degree > > > > as it is confined within a malefic environment as > > > > opposed to being let loose in a benefic house. > > > > > > > > Wud like to be enlightened too by the experts as > > > to > > > > what real-life interpretations are. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > --- H R > >wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > I would like to know what are the effects of > > > > > Rahu/Ketu or Saturn Debilitated in a horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > Since these are natural malefics, if they are > > > > > debilitated, should we consider the horoscope > > > good? > > > > > > > > > > Also, what is the significance of them as 6th, > > > 8th > > > > > or > > > > > 12th lords or in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. > > > Do > > > > > they > > > > > mean that the effect of the 'bad' houses is > > > reduced > > > > > and the horoscope is good? > > > > > > > > > > Thanx in anticipation > > > > > Regards > > > > > HR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > > > > http://uk.my. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om > > > Tat > > > > > Sat > > > > > : > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > > > > http://sports./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > > > Sat > > > > : > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > > > Sat > > > : > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > >http://sports./ > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > >ni > >_______________ >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® _______________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2002 Report Share Posted March 26, 2002 Thank you. I'll certainly pass on the advice. Will the native be able to lose some weight during Saturn dasa? She's rather large and has dfficulty dieting for lack of discipline (debilitated Saturn?). Now, I can't see in the chart how she could have put on so much weight except that she was running Jupiter dasa ( but I myself went thru Jupiter dasa looking like a bamboo stick) and there is no aspect from any expansive planet on the Lagna. How does one tell the appearance of a native from the chart? Except for a couple of charts with glaring significations, I can't seem to do it. Also, the native has a very child-like voice, people always mistake her for a child on the phone. Would Mercury (communications and youth), lord of the 8th aspecting the ascendant be the culprit? She is rather immature too. She is thirty something but is still living with her brother's family. She moved out to her own place about 3 months back but has since moved back almost permanently again as she could not adjust to having to do things for herself. She doesn't lift a finger to help with the housework nor does she contribute anything to the household expenses at her brother's although she earns a comparatively high salary. Her sister-in-law dares not breathe a single word of displeasure as the native's mother lives with her too and in Asian society, blind respect to the elders is expected. Will she ever grow up? Would Mars and Sun, planets of vitality in the 8th have anything to do with the lack of effort on life's little responsibility or is all the blame on the debilitated Saturn? Her mother spoils her - Moon in the 12th with Jupiter. I read somewhere that for a day birth, Venus is taken as the significator for mother and Moon for a night birth? What do you think? Regards Sonia Nicholas Francis <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear SoniaThe health difficulties are likely to manifest once the Saturn period starts .This could be a case wher the native is going to move from a stronger period to a weaker one . She woulod do well to regulate her diet and get sufficient exercise and water before the difficult conditions arise .Note also that Saturn will go into the 8th house .Best WishesNicholas>sonia tanganchi > gjlist>gjlist>Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?>Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:12:28 -0800 (PST)>>> Dear Nicholas>Sorry about the confusion on the names. I prefer Sonia as it sounds more >'astrologyish'.>Thanks for your help. The native will be starting Saturn dasa on Sep 27 >2002. She has Jupiter (3 degrees in Libra) and Moon (8 degrees in Libra) in >the 12th aspecting Saturn (24 degrees Aries). Could these beneficial rays >mitigate the difficulties somewhat? Saturn is in Bharani Nakshatra which >lord is Venus. Will Venus as lord of 7 & 12th and Jupiter as lord of 2 >cause some problems with health ?>The rest of the placings are Lagna in Scorpio 19 degrees, Rahu 13 degrees >Aquarius, Mercury 9 degrees Taurus, Sun and Mercury at 0 degrees 27 mins >and 15 degrees Gemini respectively, Venus in 5 degrees Cancer and Ketu in >Leo 13 degrees.>Regards>Sonia>> Nicholas Francis wrote:>Dear Lailin or Sonia>The ill effects of having Saturn debilitated in the 6th are more likely to>be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis or Pratyantara dashas .>These could include difficulties ,unhappiness or delays with home,mother>,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of these areas are ruled exclusively>by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of the chart is required ..The>debilitation is relieved by good aspect and can be aggravated by bad>transits .>>I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP to comment extensively on it .>There are good practitioners of it but many find it quite complicated .>During a dasha of a planet you should consider the planets placed in the>nakshatras of the dasha Lord . Systems Approach is a good ,simple method>that can increase confidence for newcomers .>Hope this helps>Nicholas>> >sonia tanganchi> >gjlist> >To: gjlist> >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> >Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:08:09 -0800 (PST)> >> >Hi Nicholas> >> >Thanks. It certainly helps in widening my perspective> >on dusthanas.> >> >However, may I please ask another question ?> >I have in my database for learning, a native (Lagna in> >Scorpio) who has Saturn debilitated in the 6th house> >and she's doing very well in her job. Her health is> >good too, thus far. Her mother also takes really good> >care. The native is in her early thirties. This has> >been puzzling me?> >> >Does the signification of the planets only manifest in> >their dasa period? The KP system however goes by the> >nakshatra lord of the dasa lord. In your experience,> >how far is this true?> >> >You are right, Jyotish analysis is really complicated> >and I get lost alot of the time.> >> >Regards> >LaiLin> >> >> >> >--- Nicholas wrote:> > > Dear Sonia> > > Most simple assessments are a little too simplistic> > > .Jyotish is complex and> > > assessment is a time consuming business.> > > A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even more> > > harmful imho .> > > A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana damages> > > the dusthana and damages> > > the Lord but it keeps it away from the more> > > productive areas of the chart> > > and could be said to lift the tone of the chart .For> > > example12th in 8th it> > > is specifically stated gives good character but only> > > mediocre longevity .> > > However it should also be remembered that jyotish is> > > not black and white and> > > the dusthana houses are not all bad and the other> > > houses are not all good .> > > The 8th house is considered very inauspicious but it> > > is also the house of> > > transformations which enable the native to change or> > > refashion their life> > > which is ordinarily not so easy to do .The much> > > admired 11th house seems> > > good because it is desire fulfilling but in real> > > life you will find that it> > > can create insatiability which immerses the native> > > more and more in> > > unhappiness and frustration .> > > Hope this helps> > > Nicholas> > > -> > > "sonia tanganchi"> > > To:> > > Monday, March 18, 2002 7:51 PM> > > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> > >> > >> > > > Hi> > > >> > > > I have been taught a very simple method of> > > analysis> > > > i.e.> > > > a minus and a minus = a plus meaning> > > > bad plus bad = good> > > >> > > > One shud also consider the lord of the house where> > > the> > > > malefic sits. If this is in a kendra, there is> > > said to> > > > be cancellation of debilitation.> > > >> > > > However, I have also read somewhere that the> > > malefic> > > > influence still manifests although in a lesser> > > degree> > > > as it is confined within a malefic environment as> > > > opposed to being let loose in a benefic house.> > > >> > > > Wud like to be enlightened too by the experts as> > > to> > > > what real-life interpretations are.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Sonia> > > >> > > > --- H R>>wrote:> > > > > Hi,> > > > > I would like to know what are the effects of> > > > > Rahu/Ketu or Saturn Debilitated in a horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > Since these are natural malefics, if they are> > > > > debilitated, should we consider the horoscope> > > good?> > > > >> > > > > Also, what is the significance of them as 6th,> > > 8th> > > > > or> > > > > 12th lords or in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses.> > > Do> > > > > they> > > > > mean that the effect of the 'bad' houses is> > > reduced> > > > > and the horoscope is good?> > > > >> > > > > Thanx in anticipation> > > > > Regards> > > > > HR> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page> > > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts> > > > > http://uk.my.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om> > > Tat> > > > > Sat> > > > > :> > > > > gjlist-> > > > > http://www.goravani.com>'>http://www.goravani.com> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Your use of is subject to> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage> > > > http://sports./> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat> > > Sat> > > > :> > > gjlist-> > > > http://www.goravani.com>'>http://www.goravani.com> > > >> > > >> > > > Your use of is subject to> > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat> > > Sat> > > To , send an email to:> > > gjlist-> > > http://www.goravani.com>'>http://www.goravani.com> > >> > >> > > Your use of is subject to> > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Sports - live college hoops coverage> >http://sports./> >> >> >> >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> >To , send an email to: gjlist-> >http://www.goravani.com>'>http://www.goravani.com> >> >> >Your use of is subject to > >> >>>>ni>>_______________>Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.>http://www.hotmail.com>>>>>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat>: gjlist->http://www.goravani.com>>>Your use of Groups is subject to >>>>>>Do You ?> Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards®_______________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspxOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2002 Report Share Posted March 26, 2002 Sonia The question is always why she over eats. Do you have that information? c - sonia tanganchi gjlist Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:33 AM Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? Hi Nicholas Thank you. I'll certainly pass on the advice. Will the native be able to lose some weight during Saturn dasa? She's rather large and has dfficulty dieting for lack of discipline (debilitated Saturn?). Now, I can't see in the chart how she could have put on so much weight except that she was running Jupiter dasa ( but I myself went thru Jupiter dasa looking like a bamboo stick) and there is no aspect from any expansive planet on the Lagna. How does one tell the appearance of a native from the chart? Except for a couple of charts with glaring significations, I can't seem to do it. Also, the native has a very child-like voice, people always mistake her for a child on the phone. Would Mercury (communications and youth), lord of the 8th aspecting the ascendant be the culprit? She is rather immature too. She is thirty something but is still living with her brother's family. She moved out to her own place about 3 months back but has since moved back almost permanently again as she could not adjust to having to do things for herself. She doesn't lift a finger to help with the housework nor does she contribute anything to the household expenses at her brother's although she earns a comparatively high salary. Her sister-in-law dares not breathe a single word of displeasure as the native's mother lives with her too and in Asian society, blind respect to the elders is expected. Will she ever grow up? Would Mars and Sun, planets of vitality in the 8th have anything to do with the lack of effort on life's little responsibility or is all the blame on the debilitated Saturn? Her mother spoils her - Moon in the 12th with Jupiter. I read somewhere that for a day birth, Venus is taken as the significator for mother and Moon for a night birth? What do you think? Regards Sonia Nicholas Francis <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear SoniaThe health difficulties are likely to manifest once the Saturn period starts .This could be a case wher the native is going to move from a stronger period to a weaker one . She woulod do well to regulate her diet and get sufficient exercise and water before the difficult conditions arise .Note also that Saturn will go into the 8th house .Best WishesNicholas>sonia tanganchi >gjlist>To: gjlist>Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?>Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:12:28 -0800 (PST)>>> Dear Nicholas>Sorry about the confusion on the names. I prefer Sonia as it sounds more >'astrologyish'.>Thanks for your help. The native will be starting Saturn dasa on Sep 27 >2002. She has Jupiter (3 degrees in Libra) and Moon (8 degrees in Libra) in >the 12th aspecting Saturn (24 degrees Aries). Could these beneficial rays >mitigate the difficulties somewhat? Saturn is in Bharani Nakshatra which >lord is Venus. Will Venus as lord of 7 & 12th and Jupiter as lord of 2 >cause some problems with health ?>The rest of the placings are Lagna in Scorpio 19 degrees, Rahu 13 degrees >Aquarius, Mercury 9 degrees Taurus, Sun and Mercury at 0 degrees 27 mins >and 15 degrees Gemini respectively, Venus in 5 degrees Cancer and Ketu in >Leo 13 degrees.>Regards>Sonia>> Nicholas Francis wrote:>Dear Lailin or Sonia>The ill effects of having Saturn debilitated in the 6th are more likely to>be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis or Pratyantara dashas .>These could include difficulties ,unhappiness or delays with home,mother>,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of these areas are ruled exclusively>by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of the chart is required .The>debilitation is relieved by good aspect and can be aggravated by bad>transits .>>I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP to comment extensively on it .>There are good practitioners of it but many find it quite complicated .>During a dasha of a planet you should consider the planets placed in the>nakshatras of the dasha Lord . Systems Approach is a good ,simple method>that can increase confidence for newcomers .>Hope this helps>Nicholas>> >sonia tanganchi> > gjlist> >gjlist> >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> >Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:08:09 -0800 (PST)> >> >Hi Nicholas> >> >Thanks. It certainly helps in widening my perspective> >on dusthanas.> >> >However, may I please ask another question ?> >I have in my database for learning, a native (Lagna in> >Scorpio) who has Saturn debilitated in the 6th house> >and she's doing very well in her job. Her health is> >good too, thus far. Her mother also takes really good> >care. The native is in her early thirties. This has> >been puzzling me?> >> >Does the signification of the planets only manifest in> >their dasa period? The KP system however goes by the> >nakshatra lord of the dasa lord. In your experience,> >how far is this true?> >> >You are right, Jyotish analysis is really complicated> >and I get lost alot of the time.> >> >Regards> >LaiLin> >> >> >> >--- Nicholas wrote:> > > Dear Sonia> > > Most simple assessments are a little too simplistic> > > .Jyotish is complex and> > > assessment is a time consuming business.> > > A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even more> > > harmful imho .> > > A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana damages> > > the dusthana and damages> > > the Lord but it keeps it away from the more> > > productive areas of the chart> > > and could be said to lift the tone of the chart .For> > > example12th in 8th it> > > is specifically stated gives good character but only> > > mediocre longevity .> > > However it should also be remembered that jyotish is> > > not black and white and> > > the dusthana houses are not all bad and the other> > > houses are not all good .> > > The 8th house is considered very inauspicious but it> > > is also the house of> > > transformations which enable the native to change or> > > refashion their life> > > which is ordinarily not so easy to do .The much> > > admired 11th house seems> > > good because it is desire fulfilling but in real> > > life you will find that it> > > can create insatiability which immerses the native> > > more and more in> > > unhappiness and frustration .> > > Hope this helps> > > Nicholas> > > -> > > "sonia tanganchi"> > > To:> > > Monday, March 18, 2002 7:51 PM> > > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> > >> > >> > > > Hi> > > >> > > > I have been taught a very simple method of> > > analysis> > > > i.e.> > > > a minus and a minus = a plus meaning> > > > bad plus bad = good> > > >> > > > One shud also consider the lord of the house where> > > the> > > > malefic sits. If this is in a kendra, there is> > > said to> > > > be cancellation of debilitation.> > > >> > > > However, I have also read somewhere that the> > > malefic> > > > influence still manifests although in a lesser> > > degree> > > > as it is confined within a malefic environment as> > > > opposed to being let loose in a benefic house.> > > >> > > > Wud like to be enlightened too by the experts as> > > to> > > > what real-life interpretations are.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Sonia> > > >> > > > --- H R>>wrote:> > > > > Hi,> > > > > I would like to know what are the effects of> > > > > Rahu/Ketu or Saturn Debilitated in a horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > Since these are natural malefics, if they are> > > > > debilitated, should we consider the horoscope> > > good?> > > > >> > > > > Also, what is the significance of them as 6th,> > > 8th> > > > > or> > > > > 12th lords or in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses.> > > Do> > > > > they> > > > > mean that the effect of the 'bad' houses is> > > reduced> > > > > and the horoscope is good?> > > > >> > > > > Thanx in anticipation> > > > > Regards> > > > > HR> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page> > > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts> > > > > http://uk.my.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om> > > Tat> > > > > Sat> > > > > :> > > > > gjlist-> > > > > http://www.goravani.com>'>http://www.goravani.com> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Your use of is subject to> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage> > > > http://sports./> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat> > > Sat> > > > :> > > gjlist-> > > > http://www.goravani.com>'>http://www.goravani.com> > > >> > > >> > > > Your use of is subject to> > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat> > > Sat> > > To , send an email to:> > > gjlist-> > > http://www.goravani.com>'>http://www.goravani.com> > >> > >> > > Your use of is subject to> > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Sports - live college hoops coverage> >http://sports./> >> >> >> >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> >To , send an email to: gjlist-> >http://www.goravani.com>'>http://www.goravani.com> >> >> >Your use of is subject to > >> >>>>ni>>_______________>Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.>http://www.hotmail.com>>>>>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat>: gjlist->http://www.goravani.com>>>Your use of Groups is subject to >>>>>>Do You ?> Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards®_______________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspxOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2002 Report Share Posted March 26, 2002 Dear Sonia A couple of other points that just occurred to me .Firstly with Jupiter (2nd Lord of food ) conjunct Moon there is an implicit link between eating and emotions .Secondly the The Sun is quite weak by being in rasi sandhi .Is there some problem with the father ? Kind Regards Nicholas - sonia tanganchi gjlist Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:33 AM Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? Hi Nicholas Thank you. I'll certainly pass on the advice. Will the native be able to lose some weight during Saturn dasa? She's rather large and has dfficulty dieting for lack of discipline (debilitated Saturn?). Now, I can't see in the chart how she could have put on so much weight except that she was running Jupiter dasa ( but I myself went thru Jupiter dasa looking like a bamboo stick) and there is no aspect from any expansive planet on the Lagna. How does one tell the appearance of a native from the chart? Except for a couple of charts with glaring significations, I can't seem to do it. Also, the native has a very child-like voice, people always mistake her for a child on the phone. Would Mercury (communications and youth), lord of the 8th aspecting the ascendant be the culprit? She is rather immature too. She is thirty something but is still living with her brother's family. She moved out to her own place about 3 months back but has since moved back almost permanently again as she could not adjust to having to do things for herself. She doesn't lift a finger to help with the housework nor does she contribute anything to the household expenses at her brother's although she earns a comparatively high salary. Her sister-in-law dares not breathe a single word of displeasure as the native's mother lives with her too and in Asian society, blind respect to the elders is expected. Will she ever grow up? Would Mars and Sun, planets of vitality in the 8th have anything to do with the lack of effort on life's little responsibility or is all the blame on the debilitated Saturn? Her mother spoils her - Moon in the 12th with Jupiter. I read somewhere that for a day birth, Venus is taken as the significator for mother and Moon for a night birth? What do you think? Regards Sonia Nicholas Francis <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear SoniaThe health difficulties are likely to manifest once the Saturn period starts .This could be a case wher the native is going to move from a stronger period to a weaker one . She woulod do well to regulate her diet and get sufficient exercise and water before the difficult conditions arise .Note also that Saturn will go into the 8th house .Best WishesNicholas>sonia tanganchi >gjlist>To: gjlist>Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?>Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:12:28 -0800 (PST)>>> Dear Nicholas>Sorry about the confusion on the names. I prefer Sonia as it sounds more >'astrologyish'.>Thanks for your help. The native will be starting Saturn dasa on Sep 27 >2002. She has Jupiter (3 degrees in Libra) and Moon (8 degrees in Libra) in >the 12th aspecting Saturn (24 degrees Aries). Could these beneficial rays >mitigate the difficulties somewhat? Saturn is in Bharani Nakshatra which >lord is Venus. Will Venus as lord of 7 & 12th and Jupiter as lord of 2 >cause some problems with health ?>The rest of the placings are Lagna in Scorpio 19 degrees, Rahu 13 degrees >Aquarius, Mercury 9 degrees Taurus, Sun and Mercury at 0 degrees 27 mins >and 15 degrees Gemini respectively, Venus in 5 degrees Cancer and Ketu in >Leo 13 degrees.>Regards>Sonia>> Nicholas Francis wrote:>Dear Lailin or Sonia>The ill effects of having Saturn debilitated in the 6th are more likely to>be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis or Pratyantara dashas .>These could include difficulties ,unhappiness or delays with home,mother>,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of these areas are ruled exclusively>by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of the chart is required .The>debilitation is relieved by good aspect and can be aggravated by bad>transits .>>I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP to comment extensively on it .>There are good practitioners of it but many find it quite complicated .>During a dasha of a planet you should consider the planets placed in the>nakshatras of the dasha Lord . Systems Approach is a good ,simple method>that can increase confidence for newcomers .>Hope this helps>Nicholas>> >sonia tanganchi> > gjlist> >gjlist> >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> >Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:08:09 -0800 (PST)> >> >Hi Nicholas> >> >Thanks. It certainly helps in widening my perspective> >on dusthanas.> >> >However, may I please ask another question ?> >I have in my database for learning, a native (Lagna in> >Scorpio) who has Saturn debilitated in the 6th house> >and she's doing very well in her job. Her health is> >good too, thus far. Her mother also takes really good> >care. The native is in her early thirties. This has> >been puzzling me?> >> >Does the signification of the planets only manifest in> >their dasa period? The KP system however goes by the> >nakshatra lord of the dasa lord. In your experience,> >how far is this true?> >> >You are right, Jyotish analysis is really complicated> >and I get lost alot of the time.> >> >Regards> >LaiLin> >> >> >> >--- Nicholas wrote:> > > Dear Sonia> > > Most simple assessments are a little too simplistic> > > .Jyotish is complex and> > > assessment is a time consuming business.> > > A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even more> > > harmful imho .> > > A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana damages> > > the dusthana and damages> > > the Lord but it keeps it away from the more> > > productive areas of the chart> > > and could be said to lift the tone of the chart .For> > > example12th in 8th it> > > is specifically stated gives good character but only> > > mediocre longevity .> > > However it should also be remembered that jyotish is> > > not black and white and> > > the dusthana houses are not all bad and the other> > > houses are not all good .> > > The 8th house is considered very inauspicious but it> > > is also the house of> > > transformations which enable the native to change or> > > refashion their life> > > which is ordinarily not so easy to do .The much> > > admired 11th house seems> > > good because it is desire fulfilling but in real> > > life you will find that it> > > can create insatiability which immerses the native> > > more and more in> > > unhappiness and frustration .> > > Hope this helps> > > Nicholas> > > -> > > "sonia tanganchi"> > > To:> > > Monday, March 18, 2002 7:51 PM> > > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> > >> > >> > > > Hi> > > >> > > > I have been taught a very simple method of> > > analysis> > > > i.e.> > > > a minus and a minus = a plus meaning> > > > bad plus bad = good> > > >> > > > One shud also consider the lord of the house where> > > the> > > > malefic sits. If this is in a kendra, there is> > > said to> > > > be cancellation of debilitation.> > > >> > > > However, I have also read somewhere that the> > > malefic> > > > influence still manifests although in a lesser> > > degree> > > > as it is confined within a malefic environment as> > > > opposed to being let loose in a benefic house.> > > >> > > > Wud like to be enlightened too by the experts as> > > to> > > > what real-life interpretations are.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Sonia> > > >> > > > --- H R>>wrote:> > > > > Hi,> > > > > I would like to know what are the effects of> > > > > Rahu/Ketu or Saturn Debilitated in a horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > Since these are natural malefics, if they are> > > > > debilitated, should we consider the horoscope> > > good?> > > > >> > > > > Also, what is the significance of them as 6th,> > > 8th> > > > > or> > > > > 12th lords or in the 6th, 8th and 12th houses.> > > Do> > > > > they> > > > > mean that the effect of the 'bad' houses is> > > reduced> > > > > and the horoscope is good?> > > > >> > > > > Thanx in anticipation> > > > > Regards> > > > > HR> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page> > > > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts> > > > > http://uk.my.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om> > > Tat> > > > > Sat> > > > > :> > > > > gjlist-> > > > > http://www.goravani.com>'>http://www.goravani.com> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Your use of is subject to> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage> > > > http://sports./> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat> > > Sat> > > > :> > > gjlist-> > > > http://www.goravani.com>'>http://www.goravani.com> > > >> > > >> > > > Your use of is subject to> > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat> > > Sat> > > To , send an email to:> > > gjlist-> > > http://www.goravani.com>'>http://www.goravani.com> > >> > >> > > Your use of is subject to> > > > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Sports - live college hoops coverage> >http://sports./> >> >> >> >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> >To , send an email to: gjlist-> >http://www.goravani.com>'>http://www.goravani.com> >> >> >Your use of is subject to > >> >>>>ni>>_______________>Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.>http://www.hotmail.com>>>>>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat>: gjlist->http://www.goravani.com>>>Your use of Groups is subject to >>>>>>Do You ?> Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards®_______________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspxOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2002 Report Share Posted March 26, 2002 Dear Cynthia The native simply loves food! Regards Sonia --- cynthia novak <c.a.novak wrote: > Sonia > > The question is always why she over eats. Do you > have that information? > > c > > - > sonia tanganchi > gjlist > Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:33 AM > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > Hi Nicholas > > Thank you. I'll certainly pass on the advice. > > Will the native be able to lose some weight during > Saturn dasa? She's rather large and has dfficulty > dieting for lack of discipline (debilitated > Saturn?). Now, I can't see in the chart how she > could have put on so much weight except that she was > running Jupiter dasa ( but I myself went thru > Jupiter dasa looking like a bamboo stick) and there > is no aspect from any expansive planet on the Lagna. > How does one tell the appearance of a native from > the chart? Except for a couple of charts with > glaring significations, I can't seem to do it. Also, > the native has a very child-like voice, people > always mistake her for a child on the phone. Would > Mercury (communications and youth), lord of the 8th > aspecting the ascendant be the culprit? She is > rather immature too. She is thirty something but is > still living with her brother's family. She moved > out to her own place about 3 months back but has > since moved back almost permanently again as she > could not adjust to having to do things for herself. > She doesn't lift a finger to help with the housework > nor does she contribute anything to the household > expenses at her brother's although she earns a > comparatively high salary. Her sister-in-law dares > not breathe a single word of displeasure as the > native's mother lives with her too and in Asian > society, blind respect to the elders is expected. > Will she ever grow up? Would Mars and Sun, planets > of vitality in the 8th have anything to do with the > lack of effort on life's little responsibility or is > all the blame on the debilitated Saturn? > > Her mother spoils her - Moon in the 12th with > Jupiter. I read somewhere that for a day birth, > Venus is taken as the significator for mother and > Moon for a night birth? What do you think? > > Regards > > Sonia > > Nicholas Francis <jyotish108 wrote: > > > Dear Sonia > > The health difficulties are likely to manifest > once the Saturn period starts > .This could be a case wher the native is going > to move from a stronger > period to a weaker one . She woulod do well to > regulate her diet and get > sufficient exercise and water before the > difficult conditions arise .Note > also that Saturn will go into the 8th house . > Best Wishes > Nicholas > > > >sonia tanganchi > >gjlist > >gjlist > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > >Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:12:28 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > Dear Nicholas > >Sorry about the confusion on the names. I > prefer Sonia as it sounds more > >'astrologyish'. > >Thanks for your help. The native will be > starting Saturn dasa on Sep 27 > >2002. She has Jupiter (3 degrees in Libra) and > Moon (8 degrees in Libra) in > >the 12th aspecting Saturn (24 degrees Aries). > Could these beneficial rays > >mitigate the difficulties somewhat? Saturn is > in Bharani Nakshatra which > >lord is Venus. Will Venus as lord of 7 & 12th > and Jupiter as lord of 2 > >cause some problems with health ? > >The rest of the placings are Lagna in Scorpio > 19 degrees, Rahu 13 degrees > >Aquarius, Mercury 9 degrees Taurus, Sun and > Mercury at 0 degrees 27 mins > >and 15 degrees Gemini respectively, Venus in 5 > degrees Cancer and Ketu in > >Leo 13 degrees. > >Regards > >Sonia > > > > Nicholas Francis wrote: > >Dear Lailin or Sonia > >The ill effects of having Saturn debilitated in > the 6th are more likely to > >be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis or > Pratyantara dashas . > >These could include difficulties ,unhappiness > or delays with home,mother > >,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of these > areas are ruled exclusively > >by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of the > chart is required .The > >debilitation is relieved by good aspect and can > be aggravated by bad > >transits . > > > >I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP to > comment extensively on it . > >There are good practitioners of it but many > find it quite complicated . > >During a dasha of a planet you should consider > the planets placed in the > >nakshatras of the dasha Lord . Systems Approach > is a good ,simple method > >that can increase confidence for newcomers . > >Hope this helps > >Nicholas > > > > >sonia tanganchi > > >gjlist > > >gjlist > > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > >Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:08:09 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Hi Nicholas > > > > > >Thanks. It certainly helps in widening my > perspective > > >on dusthanas. > > > > > >However, may I please ask another question ? > > >I have in my database for learning, a native > (Lagna in > > >Scorpio) who has Saturn debilitated in the > 6th house > > >and she's doing very well in her job. Her > health is > > >good too, thus far. Her mother also takes > really good > > >care. The native is in her early thirties. > This has > > >been puzzling me? > > > > > >Does the signification of the planets only > manifest in > > >their dasa period? The KP system however goes > by the > > >nakshatra lord of the dasa lord. In your > experience, > > >how far is this true? > > > > > >You are right, Jyotish analysis is really > complicated > > >and I get lost alot of the time. > > > > > >Regards > > >LaiLin > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Nicholas wrote: > > > > Dear Sonia > > > > Most simple assessments are a little too > simplistic > > > > .Jyotish is complex and > > > > assessment is a time consuming business. > > > > A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even > more > > > > harmful imho . > > > > A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana > damages > > > > the dusthana and damages > > > > the Lord but it keeps it away from the > more > > > > productive areas of the chart > > > > and could be said to lift the tone of the > chart .For > > > > example12th in 8th it > > > > is specifically stated gives good > character but only > > > > mediocre longevity . > > > > However it should also be remembered that > jyotish === message truncated === Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2002 Report Share Posted March 26, 2002 That is what I thought. You see that Jupiter moon really does enjoy food. I do not recall where her Rahu is but the 3 of them reminded me of some clients who enjoy food and have very slow metabolism. They are usually pretty creative and pleasant, but have great difficulty losing weight because it is such a great comfort. Anyway, I do not recall the chart, but Saturn might indicate that the enjoyment slows. c - sonia tanganchi <dhanus10 <gjlist> Tuesday, March 26, 2002 6:59 PM Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > Dear Cynthia > The native simply loves food! > Regards > Sonia > --- cynthia novak <c.a.novak wrote: > > Sonia > > > > The question is always why she over eats. Do you > > have that information? > > > > c > > > > - > > sonia tanganchi > > gjlist > > Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:33 AM > > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > > > > Hi Nicholas > > > > Thank you. I'll certainly pass on the advice. > > > > Will the native be able to lose some weight during > > Saturn dasa? She's rather large and has dfficulty > > dieting for lack of discipline (debilitated > > Saturn?). Now, I can't see in the chart how she > > could have put on so much weight except that she was > > running Jupiter dasa ( but I myself went thru > > Jupiter dasa looking like a bamboo stick) and there > > is no aspect from any expansive planet on the Lagna. > > How does one tell the appearance of a native from > > the chart? Except for a couple of charts with > > glaring significations, I can't seem to do it. Also, > > the native has a very child-like voice, people > > always mistake her for a child on the phone. Would > > Mercury (communications and youth), lord of the 8th > > aspecting the ascendant be the culprit? She is > > rather immature too. She is thirty something but is > > still living with her brother's family. She moved > > out to her own place about 3 months back but has > > since moved back almost permanently again as she > > could not adjust to having to do things for herself. > > She doesn't lift a finger to help with the housework > > nor does she contribute anything to the household > > expenses at her brother's although she earns a > > comparatively high salary. Her sister-in-law dares > > not breathe a single word of displeasure as the > > native's mother lives with her too and in Asian > > society, blind respect to the elders is expected. > > Will she ever grow up? Would Mars and Sun, planets > > of vitality in the 8th have anything to do with the > > lack of effort on life's little responsibility or is > > all the blame on the debilitated Saturn? > > > > Her mother spoils her - Moon in the 12th with > > Jupiter. I read somewhere that for a day birth, > > Venus is taken as the significator for mother and > > Moon for a night birth? What do you think? > > > > Regards > > > > Sonia > > > > Nicholas Francis <jyotish108 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sonia > > > > The health difficulties are likely to manifest > > once the Saturn period starts > > .This could be a case wher the native is going > > to move from a stronger > > period to a weaker one . She woulod do well to > > regulate her diet and get > > sufficient exercise and water before the > > difficult conditions arise .Note > > also that Saturn will go into the 8th house . > > Best Wishes > > Nicholas > > > > > > >sonia tanganchi > > >gjlist > > >gjlist > > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > >Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:12:28 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > Dear Nicholas > > >Sorry about the confusion on the names. I > > prefer Sonia as it sounds more > > >'astrologyish'. > > >Thanks for your help. The native will be > > starting Saturn dasa on Sep 27 > > >2002. She has Jupiter (3 degrees in Libra) and > > Moon (8 degrees in Libra) in > > >the 12th aspecting Saturn (24 degrees Aries). > > Could these beneficial rays > > >mitigate the difficulties somewhat? Saturn is > > in Bharani Nakshatra which > > >lord is Venus. Will Venus as lord of 7 & 12th > > and Jupiter as lord of 2 > > >cause some problems with health ? > > >The rest of the placings are Lagna in Scorpio > > 19 degrees, Rahu 13 degrees > > >Aquarius, Mercury 9 degrees Taurus, Sun and > > Mercury at 0 degrees 27 mins > > >and 15 degrees Gemini respectively, Venus in 5 > > degrees Cancer and Ketu in > > >Leo 13 degrees. > > >Regards > > >Sonia > > > > > > Nicholas Francis wrote: > > >Dear Lailin or Sonia > > >The ill effects of having Saturn debilitated in > > the 6th are more likely to > > >be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis or > > Pratyantara dashas . > > >These could include difficulties ,unhappiness > > or delays with home,mother > > >,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of these > > areas are ruled exclusively > > >by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of the > > chart is required .The > > >debilitation is relieved by good aspect and can > > be aggravated by bad > > >transits . > > > > > >I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP to > > comment extensively on it . > > >There are good practitioners of it but many > > find it quite complicated . > > >During a dasha of a planet you should consider > > the planets placed in the > > >nakshatras of the dasha Lord . Systems Approach > > is a good ,simple method > > >that can increase confidence for newcomers . > > >Hope this helps > > >Nicholas > > > > > > >sonia tanganchi > > > >gjlist > > > >gjlist > > > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > >Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:08:09 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > >Hi Nicholas > > > > > > > >Thanks. It certainly helps in widening my > > perspective > > > >on dusthanas. > > > > > > > >However, may I please ask another question ? > > > >I have in my database for learning, a native > > (Lagna in > > > >Scorpio) who has Saturn debilitated in the > > 6th house > > > >and she's doing very well in her job. Her > > health is > > > >good too, thus far. Her mother also takes > > really good > > > >care. The native is in her early thirties. > > This has > > > >been puzzling me? > > > > > > > >Does the signification of the planets only > > manifest in > > > >their dasa period? The KP system however goes > > by the > > > >nakshatra lord of the dasa lord. In your > > experience, > > > >how far is this true? > > > > > > > >You are right, Jyotish analysis is really > > complicated > > > >and I get lost alot of the time. > > > > > > > >Regards > > > >LaiLin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Nicholas wrote: > > > > > Dear Sonia > > > > > Most simple assessments are a little too > > simplistic > > > > > .Jyotish is complex and > > > > > assessment is a time consuming business. > > > > > A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even > > more > > > > > harmful imho . > > > > > A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana > > damages > > > > > the dusthana and damages > > > > > the Lord but it keeps it away from the > > more > > > > > productive areas of the chart > > > > > and could be said to lift the tone of the > > chart .For > > > > > example12th in 8th it > > > > > is specifically stated gives good > > character but only > > > > > mediocre longevity . > > > > > However it should also be remembered that > > jyotish > === message truncated === > > > > > Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > http://movies./ > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2002 Report Share Posted March 27, 2002 Hi Cynthia Thanks for your thoughts. Rahu is in the 4th house. Yes, Saturn, debilitated, aspects the 12th where the Moon & Jupiter conjunction is. Well, she can be pleasant when she wants too but can also kill you with her tongue. Do u experience this with Scorpio (the sting of the Scorpion) lagnas? Guess the aspect of 8th lord, Mercury badly placed in the 8th house plus Mars aspecting the lagna have added fuel to this characteristic. --- cynthia novak <c.a.novak wrote: > That is what I thought. > > You see that Jupiter moon really does enjoy food. I > do not recall where her > Rahu is but the 3 of them reminded me of some > clients who enjoy food and > have very slow metabolism. They are usually pretty > creative and pleasant, > but have great difficulty losing weight because it > is such a great comfort. > > Anyway, I do not recall the chart, but Saturn might > indicate that the > enjoyment slows. > > c > > > - > sonia tanganchi <dhanus10 > <gjlist> > Tuesday, March 26, 2002 6:59 PM > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > > Dear Cynthia > > The native simply loves food! > > Regards > > Sonia > > --- cynthia novak <c.a.novak > wrote: > > > Sonia > > > > > > The question is always why she over eats. Do > you > > > have that information? > > > > > > c > > > > > > - > > > sonia tanganchi > > > gjlist > > > Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:33 AM > > > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > > > > > > > Hi Nicholas > > > > > > Thank you. I'll certainly pass on the advice. > > > > > > Will the native be able to lose some weight > during > > > Saturn dasa? She's rather large and has > dfficulty > > > dieting for lack of discipline (debilitated > > > Saturn?). Now, I can't see in the chart how she > > > could have put on so much weight except that she > was > > > running Jupiter dasa ( but I myself went thru > > > Jupiter dasa looking like a bamboo stick) and > there > > > is no aspect from any expansive planet on the > Lagna. > > > How does one tell the appearance of a native > from > > > the chart? Except for a couple of charts with > > > glaring significations, I can't seem to do it. > Also, > > > the native has a very child-like voice, people > > > always mistake her for a child on the phone. > Would > > > Mercury (communications and youth), lord of the > 8th > > > aspecting the ascendant be the culprit? She is > > > rather immature too. She is thirty something but > is > > > still living with her brother's family. She > moved > > > out to her own place about 3 months back but has > > > since moved back almost permanently again as she > > > could not adjust to having to do things for > herself. > > > She doesn't lift a finger to help with the > housework > > > nor does she contribute anything to the > household > > > expenses at her brother's although she earns a > > > comparatively high salary. Her sister-in-law > dares > > > not breathe a single word of displeasure as the > > > native's mother lives with her too and in Asian > > > society, blind respect to the elders is > expected. > > > Will she ever grow up? Would Mars and Sun, > planets > > > of vitality in the 8th have anything to do with > the > > > lack of effort on life's little responsibility > or is > > > all the blame on the debilitated Saturn? > > > > > > Her mother spoils her - Moon in the 12th with > > > Jupiter. I read somewhere that for a day birth, > > > Venus is taken as the significator for mother > and > > > Moon for a night birth? What do you think? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > Nicholas Francis <jyotish108 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sonia > > > > > > The health difficulties are likely to > manifest > > > once the Saturn period starts > > > .This could be a case wher the native is > going > > > to move from a stronger > > > period to a weaker one . She woulod do well > to > > > regulate her diet and get > > > sufficient exercise and water before the > > > difficult conditions arise .Note > > > also that Saturn will go into the 8th house > . > > > Best Wishes > > > Nicholas > > > > > > > > > >sonia tanganchi > > > >gjlist > > > >gjlist > > > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > >Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:12:28 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nicholas > > > >Sorry about the confusion on the names. I > > > prefer Sonia as it sounds more > > > >'astrologyish'. > > > >Thanks for your help. The native will be > > > starting Saturn dasa on Sep 27 > > > >2002. She has Jupiter (3 degrees in Libra) > and > > > Moon (8 degrees in Libra) in > > > >the 12th aspecting Saturn (24 degrees > Aries). > > > Could these beneficial rays > > > >mitigate the difficulties somewhat? Saturn > is > > > in Bharani Nakshatra which > > > >lord is Venus. Will Venus as lord of 7 & > 12th > > > and Jupiter as lord of 2 > > > >cause some problems with health ? > > > >The rest of the placings are Lagna in > Scorpio > > > 19 degrees, Rahu 13 degrees > > > >Aquarius, Mercury 9 degrees Taurus, Sun and > > > Mercury at 0 degrees 27 mins > > > >and 15 degrees Gemini respectively, Venus > in 5 > > > degrees Cancer and Ketu in > > > >Leo 13 degrees. > > > >Regards > > > >Sonia > > > > > > > > Nicholas Francis wrote: > > > >Dear Lailin or Sonia > > > >The ill effects of having Saturn > debilitated in > > > the 6th are more likely to > > > >be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis > or > > > Pratyantara dashas . > > > >These could include difficulties > ,unhappiness > > > or delays with home,mother > > > >,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of > these > > > areas are ruled exclusively > > > >by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of > the > > > chart is required .The > > > >debilitation is relieved by good aspect and > can > > > be aggravated by bad > > > >transits . > > > > > > > >I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP > to > > > comment extensively on it . > > > >There are good practitioners of it but many > > > find it quite complicated . > > > >During a dasha of a planet you should > consider > === message truncated === Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2002 Report Share Posted March 27, 2002 Dear Nicholas Her father died when she was 11. As she's the youngest in a family of 8 and there's a very large age gap between her and the older siblings, the other siblings have contributed to bringing her up. --- Nicholas <jyotish108 wrote: > Dear Sonia > A couple of other points that just occurred to me > .Firstly with Jupiter (2nd Lord of food ) conjunct > Moon there is an implicit link between eating and > emotions .Secondly the The Sun is quite weak by > being in rasi sandhi .Is there some problem with the > father ? > Kind Regards > Nicholas > - > sonia tanganchi > gjlist > Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:33 AM > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > Hi Nicholas > > Thank you. I'll certainly pass on the advice. > > Will the native be able to lose some weight during > Saturn dasa? She's rather large and has dfficulty > dieting for lack of discipline (debilitated > Saturn?). Now, I can't see in the chart how she > could have put on so much weight except that she was > running Jupiter dasa ( but I myself went thru > Jupiter dasa looking like a bamboo stick) and there > is no aspect from any expansive planet on the Lagna. > How does one tell the appearance of a native from > the chart? Except for a couple of charts with > glaring significations, I can't seem to do it. Also, > the native has a very child-like voice, people > always mistake her for a child on the phone. Would > Mercury (communications and youth), lord of the 8th > aspecting the ascendant be the culprit? She is > rather immature too. She is thirty something but is > still living with her brother's family. She moved > out to her own place about 3 months back but has > since moved back almost permanently again as she > could not adjust to having to do things for herself. > She doesn't lift a finger to help with the housework > nor does she contribute anything to the household > expenses at her brother's although she earns a > comparatively high salary. Her sister-in-law dares > not breathe a single word of displeasure as the > native's mother lives with her too and in Asian > society, blind respect to the elders is expected. > Will she ever grow up? Would Mars and Sun, planets > of vitality in the 8th have anything to do with the > lack of effort on life's little responsibility or is > all the blame on the debilitated Saturn? > > Her mother spoils her - Moon in the 12th with > Jupiter. I read somewhere that for a day birth, > Venus is taken as the significator for mother and > Moon for a night birth? What do you think? > > Regards > > Sonia > > Nicholas Francis <jyotish108 wrote: > > Dear Sonia > > The health difficulties are likely to manifest > once the Saturn period starts > .This could be a case wher the native is going to > move from a stronger > period to a weaker one . She woulod do well to > regulate her diet and get > sufficient exercise and water before the difficult > conditions arise .Note > also that Saturn will go into the 8th house . > Best Wishes > Nicholas > > > >sonia tanganchi > >gjlist > >gjlist > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > >Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:12:28 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > Dear Nicholas > >Sorry about the confusion on the names. I prefer > Sonia as it sounds more > >'astrologyish'. > >Thanks for your help. The native will be starting > Saturn dasa on Sep 27 > >2002. She has Jupiter (3 degrees in Libra) and > Moon (8 degrees in Libra) in > >the 12th aspecting Saturn (24 degrees Aries). > Could these beneficial rays > >mitigate the difficulties somewhat? Saturn is in > Bharani Nakshatra which > >lord is Venus. Will Venus as lord of 7 & 12th and > Jupiter as lord of 2 > >cause some problems with health ? > >The rest of the placings are Lagna in Scorpio 19 > degrees, Rahu 13 degrees > >Aquarius, Mercury 9 degrees Taurus, Sun and > Mercury at 0 degrees 27 mins > >and 15 degrees Gemini respectively, Venus in 5 > degrees Cancer and Ketu in > >Leo 13 degrees. > >Regards > >Sonia > > > > Nicholas Francis wrote: > >Dear Lailin or Sonia > >The ill effects of having Saturn debilitated in > the 6th are more likely to > >be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis or > Pratyantara dashas . > >These could include difficulties ,unhappiness or > delays with home,mother > >,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of these > areas are ruled exclusively > >by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of the > chart is required .The > >debilitation is relieved by good aspect and can > be aggravated by bad > >transits . > > > >I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP to > comment extensively on it . > >There are good practitioners of it but many find > it quite complicated . > >During a dasha of a planet you should consider > the planets placed in the > >nakshatras of the dasha Lord . Systems Approach > is a good ,simple method > >that can increase confidence for newcomers . > >Hope this helps > >Nicholas > > > > >sonia tanganchi > > >gjlist > > >gjlist > > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > >Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:08:09 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >Hi Nicholas > > > > > >Thanks. It certainly helps in widening my > perspective > > >on dusthanas. > > > > > >However, may I please ask another question ? > > >I have in my database for learning, a native > (Lagna in > > >Scorpio) who has Saturn debilitated in the 6th > house > > >and she's doing very well in her job. Her > health is > > >good too, thus far. Her mother also takes > really good > > >care. The native is in her early thirties. This > has > > >been puzzling me? > > > > > >Does the signification of the planets only > manifest in > > >their dasa period? The KP system however goes > by the > > >nakshatra lord of the dasa lord. In your > experience, > > >how far is this true? > > > > > >You are right, Jyotish analysis is really > complicated > > >and I get lost alot of the time. > > > > > >Regards > > >LaiLin > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Nicholas wrote: > > > > Dear Sonia > > > > Most simple assessments are a little too > simplistic > > > > .Jyotish is complex and > > > > assessment is a time consuming business. > > > > A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even > more > > > > harmful imho . > > > > A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana > damages > > > > the dusthana and damages > > > > the Lord but it keeps it away from the more > > > > productive areas of the chart > > > > and could be said to lift the tone of the > chart .For > > > > example12th in 8th it > > > > is specifically stated gives good character > but only > > > > mediocre longevity . > > > > However it should also be remembered that > jyotish === message truncated === Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2002 Report Share Posted March 27, 2002 Dear Sonia One thing I have noticed is that folks overeat for various reasons, I know I said that before. I have found that many that are very overweight are really angry! I suspect that it is the churning internal dialogue that is at the root of the eating. Food gives you something to stuff in your mouth but the mind really races with arguments and resentments. Now, we all get that from time to time, but the nakshatra of that SC lagna really will tell the story. I've seen Mars Mercury, or Mars Rahu contacts be very cutting. I've also seen that some folks who are very overweight are angry at the world, feel hopeless and helpless and the core if it all is the mind that has too little positive to work on so it chews on the negative. Sure, we all do this at times, but the challenge is making the internal dialogue and obsession with it conscious and then developing a mechanism to cope with it directly rather thanallowing it to go deep then surface. I haven't run her chart, but am just sharing from observations of other folks. c - sonia tanganchi <dhanus10 <gjlist> Wednesday, March 27, 2002 3:50 AM Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > Hi Cynthia > Thanks for your thoughts. Rahu is in the 4th house. > Yes, Saturn, debilitated, aspects the 12th where the > Moon & Jupiter conjunction is. > Well, she can be pleasant when she wants too but can > also kill you with her tongue. Do u experience this > with Scorpio (the sting of the Scorpion) lagnas? Guess > the aspect of 8th lord, Mercury badly placed in the > 8th house plus Mars aspecting the lagna have added > fuel to this characteristic. > > > --- cynthia novak <c.a.novak wrote: > > That is what I thought. > > > > You see that Jupiter moon really does enjoy food. I > > do not recall where her > > Rahu is but the 3 of them reminded me of some > > clients who enjoy food and > > have very slow metabolism. They are usually pretty > > creative and pleasant, > > but have great difficulty losing weight because it > > is such a great comfort. > > > > Anyway, I do not recall the chart, but Saturn might > > indicate that the > > enjoyment slows. > > > > c > > > > > > - > > sonia tanganchi <dhanus10 > > <gjlist> > > Tuesday, March 26, 2002 6:59 PM > > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > > > > > Dear Cynthia > > > The native simply loves food! > > > Regards > > > Sonia > > > --- cynthia novak <c.a.novak > > wrote: > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > The question is always why she over eats. Do > > you > > > > have that information? > > > > > > > > c > > > > > > > > - > > > > sonia tanganchi > > > > gjlist > > > > Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:33 AM > > > > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Nicholas > > > > > > > > Thank you. I'll certainly pass on the advice. > > > > > > > > Will the native be able to lose some weight > > during > > > > Saturn dasa? She's rather large and has > > dfficulty > > > > dieting for lack of discipline (debilitated > > > > Saturn?). Now, I can't see in the chart how she > > > > could have put on so much weight except that she > > was > > > > running Jupiter dasa ( but I myself went thru > > > > Jupiter dasa looking like a bamboo stick) and > > there > > > > is no aspect from any expansive planet on the > > Lagna. > > > > How does one tell the appearance of a native > > from > > > > the chart? Except for a couple of charts with > > > > glaring significations, I can't seem to do it. > > Also, > > > > the native has a very child-like voice, people > > > > always mistake her for a child on the phone. > > Would > > > > Mercury (communications and youth), lord of the > > 8th > > > > aspecting the ascendant be the culprit? She is > > > > rather immature too. She is thirty something but > > is > > > > still living with her brother's family. She > > moved > > > > out to her own place about 3 months back but has > > > > since moved back almost permanently again as she > > > > could not adjust to having to do things for > > herself. > > > > She doesn't lift a finger to help with the > > housework > > > > nor does she contribute anything to the > > household > > > > expenses at her brother's although she earns a > > > > comparatively high salary. Her sister-in-law > > dares > > > > not breathe a single word of displeasure as the > > > > native's mother lives with her too and in Asian > > > > society, blind respect to the elders is > > expected. > > > > Will she ever grow up? Would Mars and Sun, > > planets > > > > of vitality in the 8th have anything to do with > > the > > > > lack of effort on life's little responsibility > > or is > > > > all the blame on the debilitated Saturn? > > > > > > > > Her mother spoils her - Moon in the 12th with > > > > Jupiter. I read somewhere that for a day birth, > > > > Venus is taken as the significator for mother > > and > > > > Moon for a night birth? What do you think? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > Nicholas Francis <jyotish108 > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sonia > > > > > > > > The health difficulties are likely to > > manifest > > > > once the Saturn period starts > > > > .This could be a case wher the native is > > going > > > > to move from a stronger > > > > period to a weaker one . She woulod do well > > to > > > > regulate her diet and get > > > > sufficient exercise and water before the > > > > difficult conditions arise .Note > > > > also that Saturn will go into the 8th house > > . > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > > > >sonia tanganchi > > > > >gjlist > > > > >gjlist > > > > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > > >Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:12:28 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nicholas > > > > >Sorry about the confusion on the names. I > > > > prefer Sonia as it sounds more > > > > >'astrologyish'. > > > > >Thanks for your help. The native will be > > > > starting Saturn dasa on Sep 27 > > > > >2002. She has Jupiter (3 degrees in Libra) > > and > > > > Moon (8 degrees in Libra) in > > > > >the 12th aspecting Saturn (24 degrees > > Aries). > > > > Could these beneficial rays > > > > >mitigate the difficulties somewhat? Saturn > > is > > > > in Bharani Nakshatra which > > > > >lord is Venus. Will Venus as lord of 7 & > > 12th > > > > and Jupiter as lord of 2 > > > > >cause some problems with health ? > > > > >The rest of the placings are Lagna in > > Scorpio > > > > 19 degrees, Rahu 13 degrees > > > > >Aquarius, Mercury 9 degrees Taurus, Sun and > > > > Mercury at 0 degrees 27 mins > > > > >and 15 degrees Gemini respectively, Venus > > in 5 > > > > degrees Cancer and Ketu in > > > > >Leo 13 degrees. > > > > >Regards > > > > >Sonia > > > > > > > > > > Nicholas Francis wrote: > > > > >Dear Lailin or Sonia > > > > >The ill effects of having Saturn > > debilitated in > > > > the 6th are more likely to > > > > >be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis > > or > > > > Pratyantara dashas . > > > > >These could include difficulties > > ,unhappiness > > > > or delays with home,mother > > > > >,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of > > these > > > > areas are ruled exclusively > > > > >by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of > > the > > > > chart is required .The > > > > >debilitation is relieved by good aspect and > > can > > > > be aggravated by bad > > > > >transits . > > > > > > > > > >I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP > > to > > > > comment extensively on it . > > > > >There are good practitioners of it but many > > > > find it quite complicated . > > > > >During a dasha of a planet you should > > consider > > > === message truncated === > > > > > Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > http://movies./ > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2002 Report Share Posted March 27, 2002 Dear Sonia Yes it is clear frrom the chart that some difficulty with the father is there . However ascertaining what the difficulty is requires more expertise than I have .I think it's better when posting charts if the full details are given then those working on them can fully play around with it .Usually they are also trying to learn . Nicholas - "sonia tanganchi" <dhanus10 <gjlist> Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:27 PM Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > Dear Nicholas > Her father died when she was 11. As she's the youngest > in a family of 8 and there's a very large age gap > between her and the older siblings, the other siblings > have contributed to bringing her up. > > --- Nicholas <jyotish108 wrote: > > Dear Sonia > > A couple of other points that just occurred to me > > .Firstly with Jupiter (2nd Lord of food ) conjunct > > Moon there is an implicit link between eating and > > emotions .Secondly the The Sun is quite weak by > > being in rasi sandhi .Is there some problem with the > > father ? > > Kind Regards > > Nicholas > > - > > sonia tanganchi > > gjlist > > Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:33 AM > > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > > > > Hi Nicholas > > > > Thank you. I'll certainly pass on the advice. > > > > Will the native be able to lose some weight during > > Saturn dasa? She's rather large and has dfficulty > > dieting for lack of discipline (debilitated > > Saturn?). Now, I can't see in the chart how she > > could have put on so much weight except that she was > > running Jupiter dasa ( but I myself went thru > > Jupiter dasa looking like a bamboo stick) and there > > is no aspect from any expansive planet on the Lagna. > > How does one tell the appearance of a native from > > the chart? Except for a couple of charts with > > glaring significations, I can't seem to do it. Also, > > the native has a very child-like voice, people > > always mistake her for a child on the phone. Would > > Mercury (communications and youth), lord of the 8th > > aspecting the ascendant be the culprit? She is > > rather immature too. She is thirty something but is > > still living with her brother's family. She moved > > out to her own place about 3 months back but has > > since moved back almost permanently again as she > > could not adjust to having to do things for herself. > > She doesn't lift a finger to help with the housework > > nor does she contribute anything to the household > > expenses at her brother's although she earns a > > comparatively high salary. Her sister-in-law dares > > not breathe a single word of displeasure as the > > native's mother lives with her too and in Asian > > society, blind respect to the elders is expected. > > Will she ever grow up? Would Mars and Sun, planets > > of vitality in the 8th have anything to do with the > > lack of effort on life's little responsibility or is > > all the blame on the debilitated Saturn? > > > > Her mother spoils her - Moon in the 12th with > > Jupiter. I read somewhere that for a day birth, > > Venus is taken as the significator for mother and > > Moon for a night birth? What do you think? > > > > Regards > > > > Sonia > > > > Nicholas Francis <jyotish108 wrote: > > > > Dear Sonia > > > > The health difficulties are likely to manifest > > once the Saturn period starts > > .This could be a case wher the native is going to > > move from a stronger > > period to a weaker one . She woulod do well to > > regulate her diet and get > > sufficient exercise and water before the difficult > > conditions arise .Note > > also that Saturn will go into the 8th house . > > Best Wishes > > Nicholas > > > > > > >sonia tanganchi > > >gjlist > > >gjlist > > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > >Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:12:28 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > Dear Nicholas > > >Sorry about the confusion on the names. I prefer > > Sonia as it sounds more > > >'astrologyish'. > > >Thanks for your help. The native will be starting > > Saturn dasa on Sep 27 > > >2002. She has Jupiter (3 degrees in Libra) and > > Moon (8 degrees in Libra) in > > >the 12th aspecting Saturn (24 degrees Aries). > > Could these beneficial rays > > >mitigate the difficulties somewhat? Saturn is in > > Bharani Nakshatra which > > >lord is Venus. Will Venus as lord of 7 & 12th and > > Jupiter as lord of 2 > > >cause some problems with health ? > > >The rest of the placings are Lagna in Scorpio 19 > > degrees, Rahu 13 degrees > > >Aquarius, Mercury 9 degrees Taurus, Sun and > > Mercury at 0 degrees 27 mins > > >and 15 degrees Gemini respectively, Venus in 5 > > degrees Cancer and Ketu in > > >Leo 13 degrees. > > >Regards > > >Sonia > > > > > > Nicholas Francis wrote: > > >Dear Lailin or Sonia > > >The ill effects of having Saturn debilitated in > > the 6th are more likely to > > >be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis or > > Pratyantara dashas . > > >These could include difficulties ,unhappiness or > > delays with home,mother > > >,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of these > > areas are ruled exclusively > > >by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of the > > chart is required .The > > >debilitation is relieved by good aspect and can > > be aggravated by bad > > >transits . > > > > > >I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP to > > comment extensively on it . > > >There are good practitioners of it but many find > > it quite complicated . > > >During a dasha of a planet you should consider > > the planets placed in the > > >nakshatras of the dasha Lord . Systems Approach > > is a good ,simple method > > >that can increase confidence for newcomers . > > >Hope this helps > > >Nicholas > > > > > > >sonia tanganchi > > > >gjlist > > > >gjlist > > > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? > > > >Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:08:09 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > >Hi Nicholas > > > > > > > >Thanks. It certainly helps in widening my > > perspective > > > >on dusthanas. > > > > > > > >However, may I please ask another question ? > > > >I have in my database for learning, a native > > (Lagna in > > > >Scorpio) who has Saturn debilitated in the 6th > > house > > > >and she's doing very well in her job. Her > > health is > > > >good too, thus far. Her mother also takes > > really good > > > >care. The native is in her early thirties. This > > has > > > >been puzzling me? > > > > > > > >Does the signification of the planets only > > manifest in > > > >their dasa period? The KP system however goes > > by the > > > >nakshatra lord of the dasa lord. In your > > experience, > > > >how far is this true? > > > > > > > >You are right, Jyotish analysis is really > > complicated > > > >and I get lost alot of the time. > > > > > > > >Regards > > > >LaiLin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Nicholas wrote: > > > > > Dear Sonia > > > > > Most simple assessments are a little too > > simplistic > > > > > .Jyotish is complex and > > > > > assessment is a time consuming business. > > > > > A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even > > more > > > > > harmful imho . > > > > > A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana > > damages > > > > > the dusthana and damages > > > > > the Lord but it keeps it away from the more > > > > > productive areas of the chart > > > > > and could be said to lift the tone of the > > chart .For > > > > > example12th in 8th it > > > > > is specifically stated gives good character > > but only > > > > > mediocre longevity . > > > > > However it should also be remembered that > > jyotish > === message truncated === > > > > > Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > http://movies./ > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 Thank you for being so responsive. If you would like to take the discussion further, the details are : DOB: 15/06/70 Time : 6:05pm Place: Lat 4 degrees 46 mins North Long 100 degrees 56 min East Time zone : +8 hours Regards Sonia Nicholas <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear SoniaYes it is clear frrom the chart that some difficulty with the father isthere . However ascertaining what the difficulty is requires more expertisethan I have .I think it's better when posting charts if the full details aregiven then those working on them can fully play around with it .Usually theyare also trying to learn .Nicholas----- Original Message -----"sonia tanganchi" Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:27 PMRe: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> Dear Nicholas> Her father died when she was 11. As she's the youngest> in a family of 8 and there's a very large age gap> between her and the older siblings, the other siblings> have contributed to bringing her up.>> --- Nicholas wrote:> > Dear Sonia> > A couple of other points that just occurred to me> > .Firstly with Jupiter (2nd Lord of food ) conjunct> > Moon there is an implicit link between eating and> > emotions .Secondly the The Sun is quite weak by> > being in rasi sandhi .Is there some problem with the> > father ?> > Kind Regards> > Nicholas> > ----- Original Message -----> > sonia tanganchi> > gjlist> > Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:33 AM> > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> >> >> > Hi Nicholas> >> > Thank you. I'll certainly pass on the advice.> >> > Will the native be able to lose some weight during> > Saturn dasa? She's rather large and has dfficulty> > dieting for lack of discipline (debilitated> > Saturn?). Now, I can't see in the chart how she> > could have put on so much weight except that she was> > running Jupiter dasa ( but I myself went thru> > Jupiter dasa looking like a bamboo stick) and there> > is no aspect from any expansive planet on the Lagna.> > How does one tell the appearance of a native from> > the chart? Except for a couple of charts with> > glaring significations, I can't seem to do it. Also,> > the native has a very child-like voice, people> > always mistake her for a child on the phone. Would> > Mercury (communications and youth), lord of the 8th> > aspecting the ascendant be the culprit? She is> > rather immature too. She is thirty something but is> > still living with her brother's family. She moved> > out to her own place about 3 months back but has> > since moved back almost permanently again as she> > could not adjust to having to do things for herself.> > She doesn't lift a finger to help with the housework> > nor does she contribute anything to the household> > expenses at her brother's although she earns a> > comparatively high salary. Her sister-in-law dares> > not breathe a single word of displeasure as the> > native's mother lives with her too and in Asian> > society, blind respect to the elders is expected.> > Will she ever grow up? Would Mars and Sun, planets> > of vitality in the 8th have anything to do with the> > lack of effort on life's little responsibility or is> > all the blame on the debilitated Saturn?> >> > Her mother spoils her - Moon in the 12th with> > Jupiter. I read somewhere that for a day birth,> > Venus is taken as the significator for mother and> > Moon for a night birth? What do you think?> >> > Regards> >> > Sonia> >> > Nicholas Francis wrote:> >> > Dear Sonia> >> > The health difficulties are likely to manifest> > once the Saturn period starts> > ..This could be a case wher the native is going to> > move from a stronger> > period to a weaker one . She woulod do well to> > regulate her diet and get> > sufficient exercise and water before the difficult> > conditions arise .Note> > also that Saturn will go into the 8th house .> > Best Wishes> > Nicholas> >> >> > >sonia tanganchi> > >gjlist> > >To: gjlist> > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> > >Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:12:28 -0800 (PST)> > >> > >> > > Dear Nicholas> > >Sorry about the confusion on the names. I prefer> > Sonia as it sounds more> > >'astrologyish'.> > >Thanks for your help. The native will be starting> > Saturn dasa on Sep 27> > >2002. She has Jupiter (3 degrees in Libra) and> > Moon (8 degrees in Libra) in> > >the 12th aspecting Saturn (24 degrees Aries).> > Could these beneficial rays> > >mitigate the difficulties somewhat? Saturn is in> > Bharani Nakshatra which> > >lord is Venus. Will Venus as lord of 7 & 12th and> > Jupiter as lord of 2> > >cause some problems with health ?> > >The rest of the placings are Lagna in Scorpio 19> > degrees, Rahu 13 degrees> > >Aquarius, Mercury 9 degrees Taurus, Sun and> > Mercury at 0 degrees 27 mins> > >and 15 degrees Gemini respectively, Venus in 5> > degrees Cancer and Ketu in> > >Leo 13 degrees.> > >Regards> > >Sonia> > >> > > Nicholas Francis wrote:> > >Dear Lailin or Sonia> > >The ill effects of having Saturn debilitated in> > the 6th are more likely to> > >be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis or> > Pratyantara dashas .> > >These could include difficulties ,unhappiness or> > delays with home,mother> > >,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of these> > areas are ruled exclusively> > >by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of the> > chart is required .The> > >debilitation is relieved by good aspect and can> > be aggravated by bad> > >transits .> > >> > >I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP to> > comment extensively on it .> > >There are good practitioners of it but many find> > it quite complicated .> > >During a dasha of a planet you should consider> > the planets placed in the> > >nakshatras of the dasha Lord . Systems Approach> > is a good ,simple method> > >that can increase confidence for newcomers .> > >Hope this helps> > >Nicholas> > >> > > >sonia tanganchi> > > >gjlist> > > >To: gjlist> > > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> > > >Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:08:09 -0800 (PST)> > > >> > > >Hi Nicholas> > > >> > > >Thanks. It certainly helps in widening my> > perspective> > > >on dusthanas.> > > >> > > >However, may I please ask another question ?> > > >I have in my database for learning, a native> > (Lagna in> > > >Scorpio) who has Saturn debilitated in the 6th> > house> > > >and she's doing very well in her job. Her> > health is> > > >good too, thus far. Her mother also takes> > really good> > > >care. The native is in her early thirties. This> > has> > > >been puzzling me?> > > >> > > >Does the signification of the planets only> > manifest in> > > >their dasa period? The KP system however goes> > by the> > > >nakshatra lord of the dasa lord. In your> > experience,> > > >how far is this true?> > > >> > > >You are right, Jyotish analysis is really> > complicated> > > >and I get lost alot of the time.> > > >> > > >Regards> > > >LaiLin> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >--- Nicholas wrote:> > > > > Dear Sonia> > > > > Most simple assessments are a little too> > simplistic> > > > > .Jyotish is complex and> > > > > assessment is a time consuming business.> > > > > A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even> > more> > > > > harmful imho .> > > > > A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana> > damages> > > > > the dusthana and damages> > > > > the Lord but it keeps it away from the more> > > > > productive areas of the chart> > > > > and could be said to lift the tone of the> > chart .For> > > > > example12th in 8th it> > > > > is specifically stated gives good character> > but only> > > > > mediocre longevity .> > > > > However it should also be remembered that> > jyotish> === message truncated ===>>> > > Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards®> http://movies./>>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> To , send an email to: gjlist-> http://www.goravani.com>>> Your use of is subject to >>>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2002 Report Share Posted March 28, 2002 Dear Sonia On that data I get 12 degrees Scorpio .Could you check this ? Nicholas - sonia tanganchi gjlist Friday, March 29, 2002 1:47 AM Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? Hi Nicholas Thank you for being so responsive. If you would like to take the discussion further, the details are : DOB: 15/06/70 Time : 6:05pm Place: Lat 4 degrees 46 mins North Long 100 degrees 56 min East Time zone : +8 hours Regards Sonia Nicholas <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear SoniaYes it is clear frrom the chart that some difficulty with the father isthere . However ascertaining what the difficulty is requires more expertisethan I have ..I think it's better when posting charts if the full details aregiven then those working on them can fully play around with it .Usually theyare also trying to learn .Nicholas-"sonia tanganchi" Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:27 PMRe: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> Dear Nicholas> Her father died when she was 11. As she's the youngest> in a family of 8 and there's a very large age gap> between her and the older siblings, the other siblings> have contributed to bringing her up.>> --- Nicholas wrote:> > Dear Sonia> > A couple of other points that just occurred to me> > .Firstly with Jupiter (2nd Lord of food ) conjunct> > Moon there is an implicit link between eating and> > emotions .Secondly the The Sun is quite weak by> > being in rasi sandhi .Is there some problem with the> > father ?> > Kind Regards> > Nicholas> > -> > sonia tanganchi> > gjlist> > Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:33 AM> > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> >> >> > Hi Nicholas> >> > Thank you. I'll certainly pass on the advice.> >> > Will the native be able to lose some weight during> > Saturn dasa? She's rather large and has dfficulty> > dieting for lack of discipline (debilitated> > Saturn?). Now, I can't see in the chart how she> > could have put on so much weight except that she was> > running Jupiter dasa ( but I myself went thru> > Jupiter dasa looking like a bamboo stick) and there> > is no aspect from any expansive planet on the Lagna.> > How does one tell the appearance of a native from> > the chart? Except for a couple of charts with> > glaring significations, I can't seem to do it. Also,> > the native has a very child-like voice, people> > always mistake her for a child on the phone. Would> > Mercury (communications and youth), lord of the 8th> > aspecting the ascendant be the culprit? She is> > rather immature too. She is thirty something but is> > still living with her brother's family. She moved> > out to her own place about 3 months back but has> > since moved back almost permanently again as she> > could not adjust to having to do things for herself.> > She doesn't lift a finger to help with the housework> > nor does she contribute anything to the household> > expenses at her brother's although she earns a> > comparatively high salary. Her sister-in-law dares> > not breathe a single word of displeasure as the> > native's mother lives with her too and in Asian> > society, blind respect to the elders is expected.> > Will she ever grow up? Would Mars and Sun, planets> > of vitality in the 8th have anything to do with the> > lack of effort on life's little responsibility or is> > all the blame on the debilitated Saturn?> >> > Her mother spoils her - Moon in the 12th with> > Jupiter. I read somewhere that for a day birth,> > Venus is taken as the significator for mother and> > Moon for a night birth? What do you think?> >> > Regards> >> > Sonia> >> > Nicholas Francis wrote:> >> > Dear Sonia> >> > The health difficulties are likely to manifest> > once the Saturn period starts> > .This could be a case wher the native is going to> > move from a stronger> > period to a weaker one . She woulod do well to> > regulate her diet and get> > sufficient exercise and water before the difficult> > conditions arise .Note> > also that Saturn will go into the 8th house .> > Best Wishes> > Nicholas> >> >> > >sonia tanganchi> > >gjlist> > >gjlist> > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> > >Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:12:28 -0800 (PST)> > >> > >> > > Dear Nicholas> > >Sorry about the confusion on the names. I prefer> > Sonia as it sounds more> > >'astrologyish'.> > >Thanks for your help. The native will be starting> > Saturn dasa on Sep 27> > >2002. She has Jupiter (3 degrees in Libra) and> > Moon (8 degrees in Libra) in> > >the 12th aspecting Saturn (24 degrees Aries).> > Could these beneficial rays> > >mitigate the difficulties somewhat? Saturn is in> > Bharani Nakshatra which> > >lord is Venus. Will Venus as lord of 7 & 12th and> > Jupiter as lord of 2> > >cause some problems with health ?> > >The rest of the placings are Lagna in Scorpio 19> > degrees, Rahu 13 degrees> > >Aquarius, Mercury 9 degrees Taurus, Sun and> > Mercury at 0 degrees 27 mins> > >and 15 degrees Gemini respectively, Venus in 5> > degrees Cancer and Ketu in> > >Leo 13 degrees.> > >Regards> > >Sonia> > >> > > Nicholas Francis wrote:> > >Dear Lailin or Sonia> > >The ill effects of having Saturn debilitated in> > the 6th are more likely to> > >be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis or> > Pratyantara dashas .> > >These could include difficulties ,unhappiness or> > delays with home,mother> > >,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of these> > areas are ruled exclusively> > >by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of the> > chart is required .The> > >debilitation is relieved by good aspect and can> > be aggravated by bad> > >transits .> > >> > >I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP to> > comment extensively on it .> > >There are good practitioners of it but many find> > it quite complicated .> > >During a dasha of a planet you should consider> > the planets placed in the> > >nakshatras of the dasha Lord . Systems Approach> > is a good ,simple method> > >that can increase confidence for newcomers .> > >Hope this helps> > >Nicholas> > >> > > >sonia tanganchi> > > > gjlist> > > >gjlist> > > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> > > >Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:08:09 -0800 (PST)> > > >> > > >Hi Nicholas> > > >> > > >Thanks. It certainly helps in widening my> > perspective> > > >on dusthanas.> > > >> > > >However, may I please ask another question ?> > > >I have in my database for learning, a native> > (Lagna in> > > >Scorpio) who has Saturn debilitated in the 6th> > house> > > >and she's doing very well in her job. Her> > health is> > > >good too, thus far. Her mother also takes> > really good> > > >care. The native is in her early thirties. This> > has> > > >been puzzling me?> > > >> > > >Does the signification of the planets only> > manifest in> > > >their dasa period? The KP system however goes> > by the> > > >nakshatra lord of the dasa lord. In your> > experience,> > > >how far is this true?> > > >> > > >You are right, Jyotish analysis is really> > complicated> > > >and I get lost alot of the time.> > > >> > > >Regards> > > >LaiLin> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >--- Nicholas wrote:> > > > > Dear Sonia> > > > > Most simple assessments are a little too> > simplistic> > > > > .Jyotish is complex and> > > > > assessment is a time consuming business.> > > > > A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even> > more> > > > > harmful imho .> > > > > A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana> > damages> > > > > the dusthana and damages> > > > > the Lord but it keeps it away from the more> > > > > productive areas of the chart> > > > > and could be said to lift the tone of the> > chart .For> > > > > example12th in 8th it> > > > > is specifically stated gives good character> > but only> > > > > mediocre longevity .> > > > > However it should also be remembered that> > jyotish> === message truncated ===>>> > > Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards®> http://movies./>>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> : gjlist-> http://www.goravani.com>>> Your use of is subject to >>>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2002 Report Share Posted March 29, 2002 Sorry, I gave the time zone as 8 hrs. It should be 7 hrs 50mins. Junior Jyotish gave me 14 degrees Scorpio, Vedic Sky LE 19 degrees Scorpio and Jaganatha Hora Life 13 degrees Scorpio (all using Lahiri ayanamsa). By manual calculation using KP'e ephemeris, I get 22 degrees Scorpio. What software did you use? In your experience, which is the more accurate software? Regards Sonia Nicholas <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Sonia On that data I get 12 degrees Scorpio .Could you check this ? Nicholas - sonia tanganchi gjlist Friday, March 29, 2002 1:47 AM Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? Hi Nicholas Thank you for being so responsive. If you would like to take the discussion further, the details are : DOB: 15/06/70 Time : 6:05pm Place: Lat 4 degrees 46 mins North Long 100 degrees 56 min East Time zone : +8 hours Regards Sonia Nicholas <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear SoniaYes it is clear frrom the chart that some difficulty with the father isthere . However ascertaining what the difficulty is requires more expertisethan I have .I think it's better when posting charts if the full details aregiven then those working on them can fully play around with it .Usually theyare also trying to learn .Nicholas----- Original Message -----"sonia tanganchi" Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:27 PMRe: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> Dear Nicholas> Her father died when she was 11. As she's the youngest> in a family of 8 and there's a very large age gap> between her and the older siblings, the other siblings> have contributed to bringing her up.>> --- Nicholas wrote:> > Dear Sonia> > A couple of other points that just occurred to me> > .Firstly with Jupiter (2nd Lord of food ) conjunct> > Moon there is an implicit link between eating and> > emotions .Secondly the The Sun is quite weak by> > being in rasi sandhi .Is there some problem with the> > father ?> > Kind Regards> > Nicholas> > ----- Original Message -----> > sonia tanganchi> > gjlist> > Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:33 AM> > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> >> >> > Hi Nicholas> >> > Thank you. I'll certainly pass on the advice.> >> > Will the native be able to lose some weight during> > Saturn dasa? She's rather large and has dfficulty> > dieting for lack of discipline (debilitated> > Saturn?). Now, I can't see in the chart how she> > could have put on so much weight except that she was> > running Jupiter dasa ( but I myself went thru> > Jupiter dasa looking like a bamboo stick) and there> > is no aspect from any expansive planet on the Lagna.> > How does one tell the appearance of a native from> > the chart? Except for a couple of charts with> > glaring significations, I can't seem to do it. Also,> > the native has a very child-like voice, people> > always mistake her for a child on the phone. Would> > Mercury (communications and youth), lord of the 8th> > aspecting the ascendant be the culprit? She is> > rather immature too. She is thirty something but is> > still living with her brother's family. She moved> > out to her own place about 3 months back but has> > since moved back almost permanently again as she> > could not adjust to having to do things for herself.> > She doesn't lift a finger to help with the housework> > nor does she contribute anything to the household> > expenses at her brother's although she earns a> > comparatively high salary. Her sister-in-law dares> > not breathe a single word of displeasure as the> > native's mother lives with her too and in Asian> > society, blind respect to the elders is expected.> > Will she ever grow up? Would Mars and Sun, planets> > of vitality in the 8th have anything to do with the> > lack of effort on life's little responsibility or is> > all the blame on the debilitated Saturn?> >> > Her mother spoils her - Moon in the 12th with> > Jupiter. I read somewhere that for a day birth,> > Venus is taken as the significator for mother and> > Moon for a night birth? What do you think?> >> > Regards> >> > Sonia> >> > Nicholas Francis wrote:> >> > Dear Sonia> >> > The health difficulties are likely to manifest> > once the Saturn period starts> > ..This could be a case wher the native is going to> > move from a stronger> > period to a weaker one . She woulod do well to> > regulate her diet and get> > sufficient exercise and water before the difficult> > conditions arise .Note> > also that Saturn will go into the 8th house .> > Best Wishes> > Nicholas> >> >> > >sonia tanganchi> > >gjlist> > >To: gjlist> > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> > >Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:12:28 -0800 (PST)> > >> > >> > > Dear Nicholas> > >Sorry about the confusion on the names. I prefer> > Sonia as it sounds more> > >'astrologyish'.> > >Thanks for your help. The native will be starting> > Saturn dasa on Sep 27> > >2002. She has Jupiter (3 degrees in Libra) and> > Moon (8 degrees in Libra) in> > >the 12th aspecting Saturn (24 degrees Aries).> > Could these beneficial rays> > >mitigate the difficulties somewhat? Saturn is in> > Bharani Nakshatra which> > >lord is Venus. Will Venus as lord of 7 & 12th and> > Jupiter as lord of 2> > >cause some problems with health ?> > >The rest of the placings are Lagna in Scorpio 19> > degrees, Rahu 13 degrees> > >Aquarius, Mercury 9 degrees Taurus, Sun and> > Mercury at 0 degrees 27 mins> > >and 15 degrees Gemini respectively, Venus in 5> > degrees Cancer and Ketu in> > >Leo 13 degrees.> > >Regards> > >Sonia> > >> > > Nicholas Francis wrote:> > >Dear Lailin or Sonia> > >The ill effects of having Saturn debilitated in> > the 6th are more likely to> > >be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis or> > Pratyantara dashas .> > >These could include difficulties ,unhappiness or> > delays with home,mother> > >,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of these> > areas are ruled exclusively> > >by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of the> > chart is required .The> > >debilitation is relieved by good aspect and can> > be aggravated by bad> > >transits .> > >> > >I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP to> > comment extensively on it .> > >There are good practitioners of it but many find> > it quite complicated .> > >During a dasha of a planet you should consider> > the planets placed in the> > >nakshatras of the dasha Lord . Systems Approach> > is a good ,simple method> > >that can increase confidence for newcomers .> > >Hope this helps> > >Nicholas> > >> > > >sonia tanganchi> > > >gjlist> > > >To: gjlist> > > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> > > >Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:08:09 -0800 (PST)> > > >> > > >Hi Nicholas> > > >> > > >Thanks. It certainly helps in widening my> > perspective> > > >on dusthanas.> > > >> > > >However, may I please ask another question ?> > > >I have in my database for learning, a native> > (Lagna in> > > >Scorpio) who has Saturn debilitated in the 6th> > house> > > >and she's doing very well in her job. Her> > health is> > > >good too, thus far. Her mother also takes> > really good> > > >care. The native is in her early thirties. This> > has> > > >been puzzling me?> > > >> > > >Does the signification of the planets only> > manifest in> > > >their dasa period? The KP system however goes> > by the> > > >nakshatra lord of the dasa lord. In your> > experience,> > > >how far is this true?> > > >> > > >You are right, Jyotish analysis is really> > complicated> > > >and I get lost alot of the time.> > > >> > > >Regards> > > >LaiLin> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >--- Nicholas wrote:> > > > > Dear Sonia> > > > > Most simple assessments are a little too> > simplistic> > > > > .Jyotish is complex and> > > > > assessment is a time consuming business.> > > > > A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even> > more> > > > > harmful imho .> > > > > A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana> > damages> > > > > the dusthana and damages> > > > > the Lord but it keeps it away from the more> > > > > productive areas of the chart> > > > > and could be said to lift the tone of the> > chart .For> > > > > example12th in 8th it> > > > > is specifically stated gives good character> > but only> > > > > mediocre longevity .> > > > > However it should also be remembered that> > jyotish> === message truncated ===>>> > > Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards®> http://movies./>>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> To , send an email to: gjlist-> http://www.goravani.com>>> Your use of is subject to >>>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Greetings - send greetings for Easter, Passover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2002 Report Share Posted March 29, 2002 Dear Sonia I like junior jyotish (quick accurate and gives transits easily).Note that with 14 degrees Scorpio that puts her in Anurdha nakshatra ( which is what she sounded like to me but you had given me Jyestha nakshatra ) .Anuradha Nakshatra are often unhappy pining for some ideal that never exists .Thus they can wander both in relationships and locality . Note also with this change that Rahu is close to the 4th equal house cusp giving a strong influence on her mental state .. Hope this helps Nicholas - sonia tanganchi gjlist Saturday, March 30, 2002 1:15 AM Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? Hi Nicholas Sorry, I gave the time zone as 8 hrs. It should be 7 hrs 50mins. Junior Jyotish gave me 14 degrees Scorpio, Vedic Sky LE 19 degrees Scorpio and Jaganatha Hora Life 13 degrees Scorpio (all using Lahiri ayanamsa). By manual calculation using KP'e ephemeris, I get 22 degrees Scorpio. What software did you use? In your experience, which is the more accurate software? Regards Sonia Nicholas <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Sonia On that data I get 12 degrees Scorpio .Could you check this ? Nicholas - sonia tanganchi gjlist Friday, March 29, 2002 1:47 AM Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets? Hi Nicholas Thank you for being so responsive. If you would like to take the discussion further, the details are : DOB: 15/06/70 Time : 6:05pm Place: Lat 4 degrees 46 mins North Long 100 degrees 56 min East Time zone : +8 hours Regards Sonia Nicholas <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear SoniaYes it is clear frrom the chart that some difficulty with the father isthere . However ascertaining what the difficulty is requires more expertisethan I have .I think it's better when posting charts if the full details aregiven then those working on them can fully play around with it .Usually theyare also trying to learn .Nicholas----- Original Message -----"sonia tanganchi" Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:27 PMRe: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> Dear Nicholas> Her father died when she was 11. As she's the youngest> in a family of 8 and there's a very large age gap> between her and the older siblings, the other siblings> have contributed to bringing her up.>> --- Nicholas wrote:> > Dear Sonia> > A couple of other points that just occurred to me> > .Firstly with Jupiter (2nd Lord of food ) conjunct> > Moon there is an implicit link between eating and> > emotions .Secondly the The Sun is quite weak by> > being in rasi sandhi .Is there some problem with the> > father ?> > Kind Regards> > Nicholas> > ----- Original Message -----> > sonia tanganchi> > gjlist> > Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:33 AM> > Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> >> >> > Hi Nicholas> >> > Thank you. I'll certainly pass on the advice.> >> > Will the native be able to lose some weight during> > Saturn dasa? She's rather large and has dfficulty> > dieting for lack of discipline (debilitated> > Saturn?). Now, I can't see in the chart how she> > could have put on so much weight except that she was> > running Jupiter dasa ( but I myself went thru> > Jupiter dasa looking like a bamboo stick) and there> > is no aspect from any expansive planet on the Lagna.> > How does one tell the appearance of a native from> > the chart? Except for a couple of charts with> > glaring significations, I can't seem to do it. Also,> > the native has a very child-like voice, people> > always mistake her for a child on the phone. Would> > Mercury (communications and youth), lord of the 8th> > aspecting the ascendant be the culprit? She is> > rather immature too. She is thirty something but is> > still living with her brother's family. She moved> > out to her own place about 3 months back but has> > since moved back almost permanently again as she> > could not adjust to having to do things for herself.> > She doesn't lift a finger to help with the housework> > nor does she contribute anything to the household> > expenses at her brother's although she earns a> > comparatively high salary. Her sister-in-law dares> > not breathe a single word of displeasure as the> > native's mother lives with her too and in Asian> > society, blind respect to the elders is expected.> > Will she ever grow up? Would Mars and Sun, planets> > of vitality in the 8th have anything to do with the> > lack of effort on life's little responsibility or is> > all the blame on the debilitated Saturn?> >> > Her mother spoils her - Moon in the 12th with> > Jupiter. I read somewhere that for a day birth,> > Venus is taken as the significator for mother and> > Moon for a night birth? What do you think?> >> > Regards> >> > Sonia> >> > Nicholas Francis wrote:> >> > Dear Sonia> >> > The health difficulties are likely to manifest> > once the Saturn period starts> > ..This could be a case wher the native is going to> > move from a stronger> > period to a weaker one . She woulod do well to> > regulate her diet and get> > sufficient exercise and water before the difficult> > conditions arise .Note> > also that Saturn will go into the 8th house .> > Best Wishes> > Nicholas> >> >> > >sonia tanganchi> > >gjlist> > >To: gjlist> > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> > >Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:12:28 -0800 (PST)> > >> > >> > > Dear Nicholas> > >Sorry about the confusion on the names. I prefer> > Sonia as it sounds more> > >'astrologyish'.> > >Thanks for your help. The native will be starting> > Saturn dasa on Sep 27> > >2002. She has Jupiter (3 degrees in Libra) and> > Moon (8 degrees in Libra) in> > >the 12th aspecting Saturn (24 degrees Aries).> > Could these beneficial rays> > >mitigate the difficulties somewhat? Saturn is in> > Bharani Nakshatra which> > >lord is Venus. Will Venus as lord of 7 & 12th and> > Jupiter as lord of 2> > >cause some problems with health ?> > >The rest of the placings are Lagna in Scorpio 19> > degrees, Rahu 13 degrees> > >Aquarius, Mercury 9 degrees Taurus, Sun and> > Mercury at 0 degrees 27 mins> > >and 15 degrees Gemini respectively, Venus in 5> > degrees Cancer and Ketu in> > >Leo 13 degrees.> > >Regards> > >Sonia> > >> > > Nicholas Francis wrote:> > >Dear Lailin or Sonia> > >The ill effects of having Saturn debilitated in> > the 6th are more likely to> > >be felt strongly during its dashas,Bhuktis or> > Pratyantara dashas .> > >These could include difficulties ,unhappiness or> > delays with home,mother> > >,vehicles,mental peace,breasts . None of these> > areas are ruled exclusively> > >by the 4th Lord and so a full assessment of the> > chart is required .The> > >debilitation is relieved by good aspect and can> > be aggravated by bad> > >transits .> > >> > >I'm not sufficiently knowledegeable in KP to> > comment extensively on it .> > >There are good practitioners of it but many find> > it quite complicated .> > >During a dasha of a planet you should consider> > the planets placed in the> > >nakshatras of the dasha Lord . Systems Approach> > is a good ,simple method> > >that can increase confidence for newcomers .> > >Hope this helps> > >Nicholas> > >> > > >sonia tanganchi> > > >gjlist> > > >To: gjlist> > > >Re: [GJ] Debilitated planets?> > > >Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:08:09 -0800 (PST)> > > >> > > >Hi Nicholas> > > >> > > >Thanks. It certainly helps in widening my> > perspective> > > >on dusthanas.> > > >> > > >However, may I please ask another question ?> > > >I have in my database for learning, a native> > (Lagna in> > > >Scorpio) who has Saturn debilitated in the 6th> > house> > > >and she's doing very well in her job. Her> > health is> > > >good too, thus far. Her mother also takes> > really good> > > >care. The native is in her early thirties. This> > has> > > >been puzzling me?> > > >> > > >Does the signification of the planets only> > manifest in> > > >their dasa period? The KP system however goes> > by the> > > >nakshatra lord of the dasa lord. In your> > experience,> > > >how far is this true?> > > >> > > >You are right, Jyotish analysis is really> > complicated> > > >and I get lost alot of the time.> > > >> > > >Regards> > > >LaiLin> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >--- Nicholas wrote:> > > > > Dear Sonia> > > > > Most simple assessments are a little too> > simplistic> > > > > .Jyotish is complex and> > > > > assessment is a time consuming business.> > > > > A debilitated dusthana Lord becomes even> > more> > > > > harmful imho .> > > > > A dusthana Lord placed in another dusthana> > damages> > > > > the dusthana and damages> > > > > the Lord but it keeps it away from the more> > > > > productive areas of the chart> > > > > and could be said to lift the tone of the> > chart .For> > > > > example12th in 8th it> > > > > is specifically stated gives good character> > but only> > > > > mediocre longevity .> > > > > However it should also be remembered that> > jyotish> === message truncated ===>>> > > Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards®> http://movies./>>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat> To , send an email to: gjlist-> http://www.goravani.com>>> Your use of is subject to >>>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Greetings - send greetings for Easter, Passover Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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