Guest guest Posted March 12, 2002 Report Share Posted March 12, 2002 Dear Cynthia Here is my take on John Nash's chart . Of course it is a back examination .It is the kind of chart that would be difficult to read blind . Gemini represents mutable air and thefore the Gemini Lagna is highly changeable. John Nash's chart and biography is a classic Gemini story. If you were given his chart blind and said he is a genius you'd be right and if you said he is mentally challenged you'd also be right .You'd be even more correct if you said he was part genius and partly mentally challenged . The weakness of the third Lord being both badly placed and in Bhava Sandhi probably hampered his early childhood development along with the fact that he experienced 3 Mahadashas at 8 years of age . Mars tightly conjuncting the Moon and aspecting the Ascendent and Mercury would give a sharp penetrating mind and intellect .People with Saturn conjunct Ketu are often quite focussed but only for short periods of time and this may be why he seems to have moved between so many disciplines along with the general nature of the Lagna. The 9th Lord of higher education is in close mutual aspect with the 5th Lord of intellect . Gemini is indeed a mysterious Lagna . The 9th Lord Saturn traditionally the best Lord also rules the 8th(usually considered the worst) whilst the 5th Lord Venus the second best also rules the 12th (2nd worst) ,whilst Mars rules 11th (friends,gains) and the 6th ( enemies,debts) . So Gemini charts are imho the hardest to read but then whatever you say you'll probably be partly right . Warm Regards Nicholas - Sateesh Batas Nicholas Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:27 AM Re: Jatindar Dear N, I believe it is his chart he is referring to - and I think he was a Taurus - so bull-headed - I think VK Girl (sorry for mentioning) is a Taurus too - is that a fixed sign? Yet she has me permanently classified as "very stubborn" - guess she is reflecting her qualities on to me. Mutable. ======== - Nicholas Sateesh Batas Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:34 PM Jatindar Dear Sateesh I think he is just very stubborn .I know a Jitendriya who is also monumentally stubborn . Your points make sense to me N - Sateesh Batas Nicholas Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:03 AM Fw: [satva] Re: "Analyzing Significant Events" I can see why VKC got pissed of at him. Is he another Sally - or just bull-headed? ======== - Sateesh Batas satva Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:02 PM Re: [satva] Re: "Analyzing Significant Events" Dear Jatinder, Your question was when the 8th Lord impacts the 12th Lord or vice versa or both - hence, it DOES matter what the strength of the afflictor was if there is a mutual conjunction or 7th-aspect between the Sun and Jupiter. Because then the afflictor also becomes the afflicted, and its strength is important in determining the affliction from the planet that it is afflicting! Sateesh. ======== - jiten39 satva Tuesday, March 12, 2002 4:57 PM [satva] Re: "Analyzing Significant Events" Dear Sateesh:Thanks again, but I think Prof Choudhry has clarified many times that as per SA, weakness or strength of the "afflicter" planet is irrelevant - Whether weak or strong, the FM will always afflict equally. Only the strength of the "afflicted" is important.RegardsJatindarsatva, "Sateesh Batas" <makara@n...> wrote:> Dear Jatindar,> > The closer the Orb of aspect/conjunction the more the problem - but when the Orb is approaching the exact degree or going away from it problems will be less.> > Further, don't forget that the Nodes are there in every Ascendant to trouble the house they occupy in TR.> > Plus if the 8th or 12th Lord is Jupiter, then if it is in the 6th, 8th or 12th house in TRANSIT (as long as not in its own MT sign), then the mere placement therein will cause difficulties - especially near the MEP.> > Also, a person may or may not have trouble so often under such TRs -all dependent on Natal strength of afflicted/afflictor.> > Sateesh.> > ========> > - > jiten39 > satva > Tuesday, March 12, 2002 4:39 PM> [satva] Re: "Analyzing Significant Events"> > > Hi Sateesh:> > I missed your point of the frequent aspects of transit Jup to ntal > Sun!> > So this will make it much more frequent than the case of conjunction.> > My point is: A person is unlikely to have serious trouble so often. > So how do we explain the effect of these aspects/conjunctions?> > > > > > > > Post message: satvaSubscribe: satva-Un: satvaYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2002 Report Share Posted March 14, 2002 Dear Nicholas We can always count on your for insight and honesty. Yes, I don't think that I would automatically assume that this is the chart of a genius. The old Rahu pattern I;ve seen suggests instability. My sweetie always said that the great mathematicians are unbalanced, then again, he says that mental health is highly overrated <big grins> His take is that you need a certain imbalance to work alone and intensely for long periods of time. He also suggests that these folks usually devote all of their time to one or two things hence become experts. The chart with Saturn opposing the planets in the 12th gives it some sort of foil or stability. The intense focus is found in the tight Moon Mars union and the Pluto Mercury. For folks who do not use Pluto, this placement on the lagna gives a powerful presence and is often sexual, the Moon Mars is sexual as well and that placement in Revati steps out of the bounds of convention: Revati is detached. I find that Mars in Revati can be very troublesome in a man's chart, life unless he learns to connect with others. I have the charts of a couple of sziophrenics and Mercury is not this strong in either. Notice Mercury in ARdra, and ARdra can bring painful or troublesome thoughts unless it is grounded or connected to others through charity or other work. I do not think that he wanted to help the world as much as create something unique as his own. I find it fascinating that as Saturn, a great friend to this chart, entered the ecliptic path on Rahu that he would gain such public notice and that it would show his life in its most positive light, rather than its raunchiest light. That Moon and Mars is competitive and his Nobel-prize winning theory stemmed from games theory and the concept of competition. I am not confident with reading a navamsa, what do any of you make of the Mars remaining in Pisces and being joined by the Moon and Mercury? I do think it bodes well for Saturn transits to see SAturn in the nav. in Capricorn. cynthia - Nicholas gjlist Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:05 PM [GJ] John Nash's chart Dear Cynthia Here is my take on John Nash's chart . Of course it is a back examination .It is the kind of chart that would be difficult to read blind . Gemini represents mutable air and thefore the Gemini Lagna is highly changeable. John Nash's chart and biography is a classic Gemini story. If you were given his chart blind and said he is a genius you'd be right and if you said he is mentally challenged you'd also be right .You'd be even more correct if you said he was part genius and partly mentally challenged . The weakness of the third Lord being both badly placed and in Bhava Sandhi probably hampered his early childhood development along with the fact that he experienced 3 Mahadashas at 8 years of age . Mars tightly conjuncting the Moon and aspecting the Ascendent and Mercury would give a sharp penetrating mind and intellect .People with Saturn conjunct Ketu are often quite focussed but only for short periods of time and this may be why he seems to have moved between so many disciplines along with the general nature of the Lagna. The 9th Lord of higher education is in close mutual aspect with the 5th Lord of intellect . Gemini is indeed a mysterious Lagna . The 9th Lord Saturn traditionally the best Lord also rules the 8th(usually considered the worst) whilst the 5th Lord Venus the second best also rules the 12th (2nd worst) ,whilst Mars rules 11th (friends,gains) and the 6th ( enemies,debts) . So Gemini charts are imho the hardest to read but then whatever you say you'll probably be partly right . Warm Regards Nicholas - Sateesh Batas Nicholas Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:27 AM Re: Jatindar Dear N, I believe it is his chart he is referring to - and I think he was a Taurus - so bull-headed - I think VK Girl (sorry for mentioning) is a Taurus too - is that a fixed sign? Yet she has me permanently classified as "very stubborn" - guess she is reflecting her qualities on to me. Mutable. ======== - Nicholas Sateesh Batas Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:34 PM Jatindar Dear Sateesh I think he is just very stubborn .I know a Jitendriya who is also monumentally stubborn . Your points make sense to me N - Sateesh Batas Nicholas Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:03 AM Fw: [satva] Re: "Analyzing Significant Events" I can see why VKC got pissed of at him. Is he another Sally - or just bull-headed? ======== - Sateesh Batas satva Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:02 PM Re: [satva] Re: "Analyzing Significant Events" Dear Jatinder, Your question was when the 8th Lord impacts the 12th Lord or vice versa or both - hence, it DOES matter what the strength of the afflictor was if there is a mutual conjunction or 7th-aspect between the Sun and Jupiter. Because then the afflictor also becomes the afflicted, and its strength is important in determining the affliction from the planet that it is afflicting! Sateesh. ======== - jiten39 satva Tuesday, March 12, 2002 4:57 PM [satva] Re: "Analyzing Significant Events" Dear Sateesh:Thanks again, but I think Prof Choudhry has clarified many times that as per SA, weakness or strength of the "afflicter" planet is irrelevant - Whether weak or strong, the FM will always afflict equally. Only the strength of the "afflicted" is important.RegardsJatindarsatva, "Sateesh Batas" <makara@n...> wrote:> Dear Jatindar,> > The closer the Orb of aspect/conjunction the more the problem - but when the Orb is approaching the exact degree or going away from it problems will be less.> > Further, don't forget that the Nodes are there in every Ascendant to trouble the house they occupy in TR.> > Plus if the 8th or 12th Lord is Jupiter, then if it is in the 6th, 8th or 12th house in TRANSIT (as long as not in its own MT sign), then the mere placement therein will cause difficulties - especially near the MEP.> > Also, a person may or may not have trouble so often under such TRs -all dependent on Natal strength of afflicted/afflictor.> > Sateesh.> > ========> > - > jiten39 > satva > Tuesday, March 12, 2002 4:39 PM> [satva] Re: "Analyzing Significant Events"> > > Hi Sateesh:> > I missed your point of the frequent aspects of transit Jup to ntal > Sun!> > So this will make it much more frequent than the case of conjunction.> > My point is: A person is unlikely to have serious trouble so often. > So how do we explain the effect of these aspects/conjunctions?> > > > > > > > Post message: satvaSubscribe: satva-Un: satvaYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2002 Report Share Posted March 17, 2002 Dear Cynthia and Sally You raise some interesting points We can always count on your for insight and honesty. Yes, I don't think that I would automatically assume that this is the chart of a genius. The old Rahu pattern I;ve seen suggests instability. My sweetie always said that the great mathematicians are unbalanced, then again, he says that mental health is highly overrated <big grins> His take is that you need a certain imbalance to work alone and intensely for long periods of time. He also suggests that these folks usually devote all of their time to one or two things hence become experts. The chart with Saturn opposing the planets in the 12th gives it some sort of foil or stability. The intense focus is found in the tight Moon Mars union and the Pluto Mercury. For folks who do not use Pluto, this placement on the lagna gives a powerful presence and is often sexual, the Moon Mars is sexual as well and that placement in Revati steps out of the bounds of convention: Good point about the Mars Moon conjunction giving an intense focus .Mars is the foot soldier not noted for broad thinking but rather has the blinkers on so he can kill and avoid being killed . Hence his influence on the Moon and Mercury will make them sharp .Lord of the 1st in the 1st gives a self absorbed person ..Taking these two together we get a focussed,self absorbed person which couild well be seen as unbalanced .Einstein did not remember his own phone number arguing that it cluttered up his brain .So he left all his RAM to process the big questions of physics . Modern psychological studies show that women are better at multi tasking which requires dispersion of focus but geniuses are usually male . Revati is detached. I find that Mars in Revati can be very troublesome in a man's chart, life unless he learns to connect with others. I have the charts of a couple of sziophrenics and Mercury is not this strong in either. Notice Mercury in ARdra, and ARdra can bring painful or troublesome thoughts unless it is grounded or connected to others through charity or other work. Revati is the last nakshatra and so concerned with endings of which moksha is the ultimate ending . Mars in Pisces tends to wreck the next house Aries whichever it falls in , being 12th from it's MT . It usually takes the nasty edge off Mars since it is Guru's sign .There is often a lot of pain in Ardra's life . Moon in Pisces is very psychic ,meditative ,sensitive and intuitive which can make them subject to influence or posession from beings in the astral realm . I do not think that he wanted to help the world as much as create something unique as his own. I find it fascinating that as Saturn, a great friend to this chart, entered the ecliptic path on Rahu that he would gain such public notice and that it would show his life in its most positive light, rather than its raunchiest light. I agree . That Moon and Mars is competitive and his Nobel-prize winning theory stemmed from games theory and the concept of competition. I am not confident with reading a navamsa, what do any of you make of the Mars remaining in Pisces and being joined by the Moon and Mercury? I do think it bodes well for Saturn transits to see SAturn in the nav. in Capricorn. Navamsas are often hard to read because of uncertainty of the birth time . I'll make a comment hear on reading Navamsas and leave it to the many erudite persons on the list to accept or reject it . You will note that in John Nash's chart both Mars and the Moon are in Pisces which is the same for both the natal chart and the Navamsa .In Sanskrit this is known as Vargottama or the best division . To me Vargottama means that a planet when Vargottama will dsmonstrate it's better and worse attributes by rasi emphatically . So for John Nash Moon Vargottama in Pisces gives profound observation ,intuition ,meditational abilities but also a tendency to be overcome by outside influences .Mars in Pisces Vargottama takes away the more physical expression of Mars and turns the native more towards philosophy .The native will argue more on philosophy . Now both these planets being Vargottama will show these tendencies emphatically . I remember doing a blind reading of a woman's chart for a friend who had Mercury Vargottama in Taurus . I told my friend that she must be a real stubborn thinker at which he burst out laughing .He'd seen her more than once in a room of 30 persons sticking to her ideas and refusing to budge even though everyone else disagreed with her ( many would have been higher up the hierarchy too ! ) . Why Vargottama is considered the best navamsha I believe it adds potency as it does in John Nash's chart .In breeding race horses if you want a champion sprinter you'll pick sprinting champion stallion and mare .If you want a champion stayer you'll breed a champion stayer stallion with a champion stayer mare . In Vedic culture they would mainly marry lwsomeone of the same caste .So a Vaisya(merchant) boy would marry a Vaisya girl and presumably produce talented business minded progeny . I've gone on too long now and I thank those readers who have made it this far for being an audience for my musings . Kind regards to all Nicholas Dear Cynthia Here is my take on John Nash's chart . Of course it is a back examination .It is the kind of chart that would be difficult to read blind . Gemini represents mutable air and thefore the Gemini Lagna is highly changeable. John Nash's chart and biography is a classic Gemini story. If you were given his chart blind and said he is a genius you'd be right and if you said he is mentally challenged you'd also be right .You'd be even more correct if you said he was part genius and partly mentally challenged . The weakness of the third Lord being both badly placed and in Bhava Sandhi probably hampered his early childhood development along with the fact that he experienced 3 Mahadashas at 8 years of age . Mars tightly conjuncting the Moon and aspecting the Ascendent and Mercury would give a sharp penetrating mind and intellect .People with Saturn conjunct Ketu are often quite focussed but only for short periods of time and this may be why he seems to have moved between so many disciplines along with the general nature of the Lagna. The 9th Lord of higher education is in close mutual aspect with the 5th Lord of intellect . Gemini is indeed a mysterious Lagna . The 9th Lord Saturn traditionally the best Lord also rules the 8th(usually considered the worst) whilst the 5th Lord Venus the second best also rules the 12th (2nd worst) ,whilst Mars rules 11th (friends,gains) and the 6th ( enemies,debts) . So Gemini charts are imho the hardest to read but then whatever you say you'll probably be partly right . Warm Regards Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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