Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 Dear Deepak (from Natabara) you <<i knew that u r goinng to say things about my spelling mistakesdont u think that getting the gist of the ideas is much more important than the presentation itself>> me I disagree here, presentation is very important. Just tell me which books have you read that have at least a misspelling in every line?. The function of the mind is acceptance and rejection. We accept that which is attractive to our gunas and unless our gunas are derranged, we would read that which is full of misspellings. You are lucky that I am tolerant enough (or insane) to had read your Spanish, otherwise I just use the delete button to your email. You << ..and the knowledge not the language is important >> me I have been told that one way to detect a stupid person is from the moment that he opens his mouth to say something. You <<...information can be conveyed in any language ...but human minds understands thje basic concepts ....i think always ...its an assurance from me that in future and infact from in here itself ..i'd be very much presice and cautious of my spelling mistakes .>> me Thank goodness for that. It is in your own behalf that you polish your communication. you<<do tell me the country u belong to ...it would help me to know the cultural inluence on ur mind ..and ur basic philosophy .>> me I do come from Nopal and tuna land….Just kiddding, I was born in Mexico but I have lived in Europe for more than half of my present life. Although being a catholic by birth, I have been a Vaisnava for 30 years. I have mentioned the nopal which is a cactus like vegetable and we eat it in my country. It is delicious and I am puzzled by the fact that I have seen nopal plants in Spain, Italy and Greece and people do not eat it. The tuna is a delicious fruit from the nopal similar to the pomegranate. You <<.max muller was a pioneer and he helped to spread the knowledge of vedas and indian religious texts to the world when indian civilisation and culture was looked down upon ...and also when india was under british rule>> me I will tell you, I do not want to have friends like Max Muller, because although as a scholar he was forced to spread the vedic-Indian culture, he did it in a look down mood. Read about it and see what I mean. Due to his translations Of Sanskrit texts, the vedic knowledge was distorted, misunderstood or minimized. He was trained in a western university sponsored by those that were thinking to be superior to salt. Therefore, in a way, Max was indebted to them and that is why of his doggy translations. You <<...and the basic concept of british rule was that indian's are not fit to rule themselves ..also the british culture is more advanced than any other culture of the world ..>> me Yes, that is why Mahatma Gandhi told them the India had the right to rule itself and even even make mistakes. Srila Prabhupada refused his degree from his British school to follow the path of non-cooperation initiated by Gandhi. In Latinoamerica, we had a similar trip with the Spaniard conquerors. They came in 1492 and it was until 1810 when the Mexican revolution came and apparently got rid of them , that their rule ended. However, it is difficult to get rid of the jaguar spots, and the exploiters are still above. You <<as for today it is the indian culture which is giving relief to the tortured souls throughout the world ..it seems surprising that u look down upon max muller ..not realising that there were no english translations and other books available to him at that time >> me Just tell me, what you prefer, a mistranslation or a proper one?...you <<today u have many books so u can easily say that he was biased ..i also know that he never came to india so how can he understand truely the core of indian culture,>> me Here, I do not agree, I myself have never been in India but I do understand the core of Indian culture. However, I want to go over there very much if Krishna allows. Whenever I had money to go, I did not have the time to go to India. And whenever that I had the time to go there, I did not have the money to do so. At present, I do not have either, money or time and in fact, I cannot travel more than 100 miles due to being recovering from an illness. you <<but stil his efforts were admirable and he struggled a lot to learn sanskrit and spread it in germany ..>> me We have to learn to see the intentions in people. Of what is good if Max intentions were not good? You <<.we as indians are deeply indebted to him that he was able to spread to a great extent our thinking to the western world when we were not able to defend ourselves. >> me Please find out first about the intention of your enemy and see if you are indebted to him. From the absolute plane we may be able to see that even our enemies are helping us, but meanwhile, from this relative plane, our enemies are sucking our blood. What to do with mosquitos? Should we thank them for giving us a hard time? You <<who can afford to be lazy and careless ...have u seen the lion...his carelessness doesn't mean that he is not the king of the jungle>> me Are you kidding yourself? You do not see that the lion is just pretending and as a meat eater, he only wants you for dinner? You <<.more important is the ideas and not the spellings .>> me Please tell me of a single author showing as many spellings as you had the habit to show? you<<regarding indian authors i had the previlage of seeing many gurus and the religious texts of many sects of india and i found that in the religious terms they are still the best as compared to the west .>> me That may depend in what you call religious. I do not doubt that India has great gurus but there are as well many fakers and we should be alert and careful about them. You ,,<<...but reading a book written by western author about indian religion is like a child giving advice to an old man .>> me I agree in half here, because I am a western and I am advising you about your spellings which were atrocious. You <<most of the gurus worked for the benefit of people and i know that shri prabhupada became a monk after 50 years of age ....i do not deny his commentery on gita...but his path was a path of bhakti yoga >> me First we have to see what guru means. In Sanskrit guru can be translated as heavy. We can see a variety of gurus, nama, siksha, mantra etc. Basically a guru is a guide, a teacher. We can have a guru in astrology or in economy but on the spiritual path, a guru is the divine agent. When God wants to communicate to the soul, He empowers a guru to do so. But the problem is that due to our ignorance, we are prone to be cheated by someone claiming that he/she is a guru.. How do we know that we are following a real guru? A difficult question. Our senses may tell us that we are safe until reality shows the truth. Sometimes, the truth comes to us in this life, and some times in the next life. It is by His grace that we get what we deserve. There are many paths as you say, hatta, raya, kriya, bhakti etc. and we are attracted to any of those paths according to our tendencies. As you say, Srila Prabhupada preached the path of bhakti yoga, which I do find attractive. You << about gita>> me There are many translations of the Gita, thousands, but only few authors have grasped the real essence of It. We should be careful while reading the Gita that the particular translator does not distort the meaning. The tendencies to cheat and be cheated are always there as long as we are not in control of our false ego. You << and why do u consider them to be the truth or u can say that these people were above normal beings ...or someone has reached such hieghts that he becomes an ideal itself >> me Rahu helps to delude the ego into thinking that he/she is great or that he/she is following the best. Lets pray to God that we do not fall in illusion. you <<..guru basically shortens the path ..do u think eklavya was a fool ?he considered dronacharya as a guru but never got his teachings from him ..and still he was able to defeat arjun indirectly ..,.so guru is always not needed ..>> me Basically, it seems that you do not know what guru is, therefore you do not know if you need guru. you <<i know that isckon is a product of chaitanya mahaprabhus mind ..he gave the broad ideas and the disciple chain implemented it down the 100 years>> me I think that here you have to do your homework before talking about ISKCON. you <<...u have closed ur mind to the other influences the best always see both the sides of the coin ..u have been it seems only been influenced by isckon>> me For my postings you can see that I have read a variety of books and that I do not have a closed mind. Although I have learnt a lot from ISKCON, I have never being initiated in ISKCON. In fact i am spiritually initiated in the Sri Chaitanya Sarasvat Math which is a different Vaisnava school. You <<do read all the books i have refered above ...so that u can ....i'm more than confident that u'll think broader ... me Life is short and I read the books that attract my attention but not all. I have read some of the books that you have mentioned but what is your point? I think that I have a broad mind. Best wishes Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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