Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 dear Natabara Das please do wait for my reply as typing does takes a lot of time and my third lord is not in any way connected by saturn and mars and it is aspected by jupiter and in lagna(hope now you can decide some thing and hope you realise the effect of third lord when it is strong and aspected by jupiter and simultaniously it is forming a gajkesri yoga also and my dasha is one of the lords of 9 th or 5 th lord and hope you can again decide some thing about me.writing comes from mercury . deepak singh On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 natabara wrote : >Dear Deepak > >you ><<yes i have given the advice and i stand by it. ik think that >when youlearn hinu astrology and have gone through the vadic >literature >then you must i repeat again go through the works of swami >vivakanda and swami sivnanda >they are the products of best of indian gurus and literally the >best and in all these works you will find that there is nothing >esoteric about it.sury namaskar is recommended for every indian >and it is a yougic practice and also looking at the sun . the >gayatri mantra is also a forn of sun workship. >hopr you ahve read patangali you sutras by swami vaivakananda and >other perople,if you have then you will realise that i have said >nothing but repeated the words of the great saints any yes people >of us and europe have generally read prabhupad and iskon only(i >said generally but indian religion is really wast and hope you >have gone through all the works of shri k nrao of bhariya vidhy >bhavan>> > >me >With all the respects, please read again what you wrote. Of 20 >lines i have found 18 misspellings. > >Even for a foreign to the English language like me, used to read >broken English, i find it difficult to read your email. > >You can give many excuses but i can see the laziness and careless > from you in writing or communicating your ideas. It seems to >me that you have Mars and Saturn affected in the 3rd house and >therefore you suffer from misunderstandings due to you no being >attentive in what you want to say. > >What is the use of trying to put your ideas forward if you do not >care in giving a good presentation, i least you can try to use >the spelling button to correct misspellings. > >Regarding the Indian Authors, with all the respects to them all, >i do not agree that all of them are great exponents of Vedic >knowledge. > >According to our gunas, we are attracted to authors having a >sympathy to our beliefs. In my personal experience every author >has a hidden or open intention and not necessarily may be good. > >Authors may be searching for fame, glory, money, lust, pride etc. >And those egocentric tendencies contaminate their writings. > >We read Srila Prabhupada books because his intentions were >sincere and pure. > >You mention Max Muller, we know that he had pride in his >religious beliefs to the point of trying to minimise the Vedic >knowledge in his translations and therefore, he many times >minimised or distorted the vedic meaning. > >Regarding the advise given in some books about celibacy or Sun >worship, a guru is recommended for such practices. Otherwise, >books alone can bring chaos or damage as we have seen in some >cases. > >you ><<.two moinutes of sun grasing is nothing saints do it from >morning to evening and /it is aform of tratak to control your >mind.>> > >me >There are different methods to help control the mind and not a >general practise for all as you say. > >you ><<as for bramcharya i hope you have read the indin system of >medicine it repeats againg and again the concept of bramcharya >.please read >charak smihita . the basic and core book of ayurveda . then >please do read the serprnt power by jhown wodrofee.plese dont >give lectures as to the advice givben to people on the >net.if you have to counter act the advice then do read throughly >all about india.it has vast amount of books and amny streams >.in >all forms of mmedation and mantra japa ijn india it is >recommended practice to maintain celibicy.as my guru shri kn >rao >says that the american concept of religion or sprituality and >relationshis is some thing of stupidity .you cannot be religious >with out the conceopt of celibicy and to know the concept of >celiby please do read narad samihita .celiby >does not means thta to maintain it forcebilly but to eradicate >the desire for it totally.please do read all the books and if >possibe do also read the buddisthist literature also and read the >book of questions of meander it ha sbeen translated by max >muller. hope >when you ahve read it and under stood it then please have the >courage to give such a sweeping statement about bramcharya and >astrology. > >me >You mention to have a guru, then please try to be a worthy >disciple and clear up your presentation and und erstanding of >what you read. > >Best wishes >Natabara Das > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 dear natabara, i knew that u r goinng to say things about my spelling mistakes dont u think that getting the gist of the ideas is much more important than the presentation itself ..and the knowledge not the language is important ...information can be conveyed in any language ...but human minds understands thje basic concepts ....i think always ... its an assurance from me that in future and infact from in here itself ..i'd be very much presice and cautious of my spelling mistakes . do tell me the country u belong to ...it would help me to know the cultural inluence on ur mind ..and ur basic philosophy ....as its said that the effect of the water of the land never dims .and this <beginning of the sentence with and .....is acceptable these days ....i'm sure u r upgraded too >...and and this also reflects in ur way of doing predictions as u urself know while predicting that u have to know "desh ,kal ,patra " meaning country ,time period and the person u give the prediction to . while giving predictions of an ancient period or judging history u have to go back inthat time itself without the knowledge which u have gained of the present time period .max muller was a pioneer and he helped to spread the knowledge of vedas and indian religious texts to the world when indian civilisation and culture was looked down upon ...and also when india was under british rule...and the basic concept of british rule was that indian's are not fit to rule themselves ..also the british culture is more advanced than any other culture of the world .. as for today it is the indian culture which is giving relief to the tortured souls throughout the world ..it seems surprising that u look down upon max muller ..not realising that there were no english translations and other books available to him at that time .... today u have many books so u can easily say that he was biased ..i also know that he never came to india so how can he understand truely the core of indian culture ,but stil his efforts were admirable and he struggled a lot to learn sanskrit and spread it in germany ...we as indians are deeply indebted to him that he was able to spread to a great extent our thinking to the western world when we were not able to defend ourselves . who can afford to be lazy and careless ...have u seen the lion...his carelessness doesn't mean that he is not the king of the jungle ..more important is the ideas and not the spellings . regarding indian authors i had the previlage of seeing many gurus and the religious texts of many sects of india and i found that in the religious terms they are still the best as compared to the west ...i aknowledge the excellence of buddhist and the deep understanding of these sciences by japan and china ..they are now the treasure house of the buddhist religion ...and ofcourse tibet ....but reading a book written by western author about indian religion is like a child giving advice to an old man . gita has always said that work for the work sake ...u have come to know about gita from the last 200 years ...but it has been followed by almost all the people of the country and its a surprising fact that most of the indian rulers in one way or the other affected by gita . most of the gurus worked for the benefit of people and i know that shri prabhupada became a monk after 50 years of age ....i do not deny his commentery on gita...but his path was a path of bhakti yoga as i have seen again n again in isckon temple i do hve his horoscope also and its given in k n rao's books ..i hope u have seen it ,but still if u read sant gyaneshwars ...gyaneshwari ..the maharashtrian saint who lived in 12 ad and died at the age of around 24 ...or taken samadhi as he...while alive closed himself into a cave he was a full blown yogi and his guru was one of the best teachers of yoga ..and then by our former poresident "dr radhakrishna "he has also written it .if u look at what swami vivekanand has said about gita ..and his meaning of it u will realise as the mind so the commentery ..different yogis have foloowed different four paths of yoga as its already given in gita .. as regarding the gunas i think that best is always the best ...bible ,gita ,quran and vedas are always the same but people interpret it ina different way ....were the prophets who wrote or spoke these words ...were not laying down a broad idealistic vision for the people ? and why do u consider them to be the truth or u can say that these people were above normal beings ...or someone has reached such hieghts that he becomes an ideal itself ..i think sri k n rao has reached such hieghts regarding astrology as 2000 years ago ....virihamira had done so ....again virihamira was once a normal human being ..dont u think that u let the destiny decide aftyer 5o years who will be considered the best ...i have till this date not seen someone so good as good in writing books and spreading the knowledge of astrology to the masses .,..yes i know thwy are many indian astrologers who are better than him in astrology but they have not writen the books and spread the knowledge itself . as regarding the yoga the middle path is itself written in gita and our body is still the best teacher the person who does yoga will automatically know if he is extending his limits and human knowledge and excellence has been produced by always testing the beliefs of that particular time period ...so is the case in the yoga if u test things not just read them u will find that u'll know many secrests of the yoga itself ..and what i have said was just a little part of yoga ..it can be done by any normal person of course if u want to exceed the limits then u need a guru ..guru basically shortens the path ..do u think eklavya was a fool ?he considered dronacharya as a guru but never got his teachings from him ..and still he was able to defeat arjun indirectly ..,.so guru is always not needed . i know that isckon is a product of chaitanya mahaprabhus mind ....he gave the broad ideas and the disciple chain implemented it down the 100 years ..prabhupada himself was givena prediction that he will build 108 temples .if u read the books of swami vivekananda and the teachings of paramhansa they potray a different world ..a world of work for the work sake and not indulge in arbitrary discussions but to work for the benefit of the people and help the poor ..u have closed ur mind to the other influences the best always see both the sides of the coin ..u have been it seems only been influenced by isckon while vivekanandas guru also lived like a christian and a muslim to judge the truth of various religions and the proclaimed that all the religions lead to the same goal ..though it had been said so since time immemorial in india ..this is the experience which indians had to learn again and isckon is nothing but a wave in indian religion ....but it was the influence of vivekananda that india got freedom ....gandhi was deeply influenced by him . in case u have arguments ...and reasons to justify urself ...do correspond in a likely manner ....i'd not mind ur ripping my arguments . one last thing.... intelligent people always take the best things from all the best sources and reject what is not correct ....do read all the books i have refered above ...so that u can .... i'm more than confident that u'll think broader ... wishing the best deepak singh On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 natabara wrote : >Dear Deepak > >you ><<yes i have given the advice and i stand by it. ik think that >when youlearn hinu astrology and have gone through the vadic >literature >then you must i repeat again go through the works of swami >vivakanda and swami sivnanda >they are the products of best of indian gurus and literally the >best and in all these works you will find that there is nothing >esoteric about it.sury namaskar is recommended for every indian >and it is a yougic practice and also looking at the sun . the >gayatri mantra is also a forn of sun workship. >hopr you ahve read patangali you sutras by swami vaivakananda and >other perople,if you have then you will realise that i have said >nothing but repeated the words of the great saints any yes people >of us and europe have generally read prabhupad and iskon only(i >said generally but indian religion is really wast and hope you >have gone through all the works of shri k nrao of bhariya vidhy >bhavan>> > >me >With all the respects, please read again what you wrote. Of 20 >lines i have found 18 misspellings. > >Even for a foreign to the English language like me, used to read >broken English, i find it difficult to read your email. > >You can give many excuses but i can see the laziness and careless > from you in writing or communicating your ideas. It seems to >me that you have Mars and Saturn affected in the 3rd house and >therefore you suffer from misunderstandings due to you no being >attentive in what you want to say. > >What is the use of trying to put your ideas forward if you do not >care in giving a good presentation, i least you can try to use >the spelling button to correct misspellings. > >Regarding the Indian Authors, with all the respects to them all, >i do not agree that all of them are great exponents of Vedic >knowledge. > >According to our gunas, we are attracted to authors having a >sympathy to our beliefs. In my personal experience every author >has a hidden or open intention and not necessarily may be good. > >Authors may be searching for fame, glory, money, lust, pride etc. >And those egocentric tendencies contaminate their writings. > >We read Srila Prabhupada books because his intentions were >sincere and pure. > >You mention Max Muller, we know that he had pride in his >religious beliefs to the point of trying to minimise the Vedic >knowledge in his translations and therefore, he many times >minimised or distorted the vedic meaning. > >Regarding the advise given in some books about celibacy or Sun >worship, a guru is recommended for such practices. Otherwise, >books alone can bring chaos or damage as we have seen in some >cases. > >you ><<.two moinutes of sun grasing is nothing saints do it from >morning to evening and /it is aform of tratak to control your >mind.>> > >me >There are different methods to help control the mind and not a >general practise for all as you say. > >you ><<as for bramcharya i hope you have read the indin system of >medicine it repeats againg and again the concept of bramcharya >.please read >charak smihita . the basic and core book of ayurveda . then >please do read the serprnt power by jhown wodrofee.plese dont >give lectures as to the advice givben to people on the >net.if you have to counter act the advice then do read throughly >all about india.it has vast amount of books and amny streams >.in >all forms of mmedation and mantra japa ijn india it is >recommended practice to maintain celibicy.as my guru shri kn >rao >says that the american concept of religion or sprituality and >relationshis is some thing of stupidity .you cannot be religious >with out the conceopt of celibicy and to know the concept of >celiby please do read narad samihita .celiby >does not means thta to maintain it forcebilly but to eradicate >the desire for it totally.please do read all the books and if >possibe do also read the buddisthist literature also and read the >book of questions of meander it ha sbeen translated by max >muller. hope >when you ahve read it and under stood it then please have the >courage to give such a sweeping statement about bramcharya and >astrology. > >me >You mention to have a guru, then please try to be a worthy >disciple and clear up your presentation and und erstanding of >what you read. > >Best wishes >Natabara Das > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 Dear Deepak (from Natabara) you <<please do wait for my reply as typing does takes a lot of time and my third lord is not in any way connected by saturn and mars and it is aspected by jupiter and in lagna(hope now you can decide some thing and hope you realise the effect of third lord when it is strong and aspected by jupiter and simultaniously it is forming a gajkesri yoga also and my dasha is one of the lords of 9 th or 5 th lord and hope you can again decide some thing about me.writing comes from mercury . me It sounded to me that Mars and Saturn were connected to the 3rd house because of the misspellings. When I do a reading from a vedic horoscope or a Tarot reading, and a see that the 3rd house is affected, I do warn the individual about it and advice to be on alert. The 3rd house rules communication among other things, and communication is very important to anyone. There are some people that think that others can read their mind and that therefore are going to provide to the individual of what is needed, they do not see that if they do not communicate properly, people will not be able to understand them. I know of other people that they think that they have to say a thing only once. They tell me "But I have said so once I do not need to say it twice". However, communication may be different to each one, and many will need a thing to be repeated more than once. Virgos for example may not realise that people around may need time to digest or think about a message (communication). For example, a Virgo may ask "what time is it", and they will want the answer inmediately, whothout realising that some people need time to think, process or digest the message before answering. Perhaps this weakness may be due to Virgos having Scorpio as their 3rd house. The Mercury in Virgo travels fast and the Mars in Scorpio is impulsive and wants things NOW. In my experience, the Moon sign is more important, more relevant, more evident traits can be seen from the Moon sign. Next in proportion is the lagna sign and later on is the Sun sign. In other words, A Virgo moon will have those tendencies more evident than a Virgo lagna. And a sun in Virgo sign will have less of those traits. The other planets are also relevant, for example a Mercury will show the intellectual and communicative skills, a Venus will show the desires, a Mars will tell about the karma, activities or like Kalyan Verma said, the strenght, Jupiter the behaviour or the intelligence like KV says, Saturn will show the grief or destiny, Rahu will show the false ego and Ketu will show the tendencies for freedom or liberation. Here I will analise that KV says that Mercury shows the speech and Jupiter the intelligence. I had thought that intelligence is indicated by Mercury, just like I have been told that the spouse shows the intelligence of the individual. I would say that both Mercury and Jupiter will indicate intelligence. Mercury will indicate the superficial intelligence and Jupiter, the deep intelligence. It is similar to the Moon. The moon is the seat of the powers of thinking, feeling and willing, but I would say that those powers are on the mental plane, because the thinking belongs as well to Gemini, the "I think" of Mercury, and the "I Will" or "I Dare" is in Leo due to the Sun ruling that sign. You << also and my dasha is one of the lords of 9th or 5th lord>> me For what I can understand here, you say that your present dasa lord rules the 5th and 9th houses. With all my respects I have to say that no planet can rule those two houses simultaneously. You are talking about an angle of 1/5, when Venus can rule only 1/6 or 1/8, Mars 1/8 or 6/8, Mercury 1/4 or 1/10, Jupiter 1/4 or 1/10 and Saturn 1/2 or 1/12. Therefore please tell me the trick. Then you mention to have 3rd lord in lagna aspected by Jupiter in Gayakesari from either the 5th or 7th. With all those clues I cannot see much. But although the aspect may help it is better to have the association. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2002 Report Share Posted March 12, 2002 my lord dash is of 9 th or 5ht lord i did not specify the correct dasha aas i did not want the my horoscope discussed on the list so dasha is of one planet concerned .and gagakesri yoga is there and third lord in lagna.i know astrolgy as i also have done course in bvb delhi and under shri kn rao.so know what 9th and 5ht lords are.and go my dasha of gagkesri youa so must be understanding thet what the next dash must be.the priidction had to be thta mercury has to be in connection to writiing if mercury has somer problem then writing is problem.communication means communcating your thoughts writings is a mediun.you also lead by example deepak On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 natabara wrote : >Dear Deepak (from Natabara) > >you > ><<please do wait for my reply as typing does takes a lot of >time >and my third lord is not in any way connected by saturn and >mars >and it is aspected by jupiter and in lagna(hope now you can >decide some thing and hope you realise the effect of third lord >when it is strong and aspected by jupiter and simultaniously it >is >forming a gajkesri yoga also and my dasha is one of the lords of >9 >th or 5 th lord and hope you can again decide some thing about >me.writing comes from mercury . > > >me > >It sounded to me that Mars and Saturn were connected to the 3rd >house because of the misspellings. > >When I do a reading from a vedic horoscope or a Tarot reading, >and a see that the 3rd house is affected, I do warn the >individual about it and advice to be on alert. The 3rd house >rules communication among other things, and communication is very >important to anyone. There are some people that think that others >can read their mind and that therefore are going to provide to >the individual of what is needed, they do not see that if they do >not communicate properly, people will not be able to understand >them. > >I know of other people that they think that they have to say a >thing only once. They tell me "But I have said so once I do not >need to say it twice". However, communication may be different to >each one, and many will need a thing to be repeated more than >once. > >Virgos for example may not realise that people around may need >time to digest or think about a message (communication). For >example, a Virgo may ask "what time is it", and they will want >the answer inmediately, whothout realising that some people need >time to think, process or digest the message before answering. > >Perhaps this weakness may be due to Virgos having Scorpio as >their 3rd house. The Mercury in Virgo travels fast and the Mars >in Scorpio is impulsive and wants things NOW. > >In my experience, the Moon sign is more important, more relevant, >more evident traits can be seen from the Moon sign. Next in >proportion is the lagna sign and later on is the Sun sign. > >In other words, A Virgo moon will have those tendencies more >evident than a Virgo lagna. And a sun in Virgo sign will have >less of those traits. > >The other planets are also relevant, for example a Mercury will >show the intellectual and communicative skills, a Venus will show >the desires, a Mars will tell about the karma, activities or like >Kalyan Verma said, the strenght, Jupiter the behaviour or the >intelligence like KV says, Saturn will show the grief or destiny, >Rahu will show the false ego and Ketu will show the tendencies >for freedom or liberation. > >Here I will analise that KV says that Mercury shows the speech >and Jupiter the intelligence. I had thought that intelligence is >indicated by Mercury, just like I have been told that the spouse >shows the intelligence of the individual. I would say that both >Mercury and Jupiter will indicate intelligence. > >Mercury will indicate the superficial intelligence and Jupiter, >the deep intelligence. > >It is similar to the Moon. The moon is the seat of the powers of >thinking, feeling and willing, but I would say that those powers >are on the mental plane, because the thinking belongs as well to >Gemini, the "I think" of Mercury, and the "I Will" or "I Dare" is >in Leo due to the Sun ruling that sign. > >You > ><< also and my dasha is one of the lords of 9th or 5th lord>> > >me > >For what I can understand here, you say that your present dasa >lord rules the 5th and 9th houses. With all my respects I have to >say that no planet can rule those two houses simultaneously. You >are talking about an angle of 1/5, when Venus can rule only 1/6 >or 1/8, Mars 1/8 or 6/8, Mercury 1/4 or 1/10, Jupiter 1/4 or 1/10 >and Saturn 1/2 or 1/12. Therefore please tell me the trick. > >Then you mention to have 3rd lord in lagna aspected by Jupiter in >Gayakesari from either the 5th or 7th. With all those clues I >cannot see much. But although the aspect may help it is better to >have the association. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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