Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 Dear Himanshu you <<According to my teachers at Vedic astrology Class, we should never study the the horoscope of Lord Krishna. The reason being once we have the horoscope of God incarnation on earth... we start analyzing the horoscope. But if we try to find the faults in the horosope then it is highly sinful since we try to find faults with God. I sincerely agree with them.>> me I think that it is a wise advise. Due to our ignorance, envy or false ego, we are told in the beginning many similar advises. However, once we are more advanced, purified and that our false ego is more tamed, we can find inspiration in reading the horoscope of God on earth. At that time, we are given many secrets and confidential matters. It may take a short time or a life time to receive divine nectar, but the promise is there, that we will get it if we are sincere. In fact, His divine mercy is there from the beginning of time, but we are so attracted to the illusory energy that we cannot see the truth around us. My teachers told me that the false ego is like a dusty mirror. The more we clean that mirror, the more we will be able to see our real face, our real ego, our real self, our real identity. Sociologists agree that every individual becomes entangled in sex, class and nation, as soon as education starts. Although the soul is pure in the beginning, from babyhood we are told "what a beautiful boy/girl". Therefore, the soul becomes identified with the "I am a boy/girl", "i am beautiful". Later on we are told "you should behave according to your class, you are rich/poor", We are told as well "you are black/white/yellow/red/brown etc" and "you are American/Mexican/ Russian/ French/British etc and you have to defend your country. And you are Christian/Jew/Muslim/Hindu/Buddhist/ etc. All those designations are part of the material conception. Our false ego girates around those temporary labels. In reality, we are spiritual souls, we all are brothers and sisters. Frontiers and limitations are dictated by illusory and temporary powers. When we die, we lose all those designations and we reincarnate in another body which will be limited by some different designations to the ones encountered at present. best wishes Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 According to my teachers at Vedic astrology Class, we should never study the the horoscope of Lord Krishna. The reason being once we have the horoscope of God incarnation on earth... we start analyzing the horoscope. But if we try to find the faults in the horosope then it is highly sinful since we try to find faults with God. I sincerely agree with them. Regards, Himanshu Patel. Dear Himanshu, I agree with you--I was asking a question without really expecting an answer, other than being taken to task for impetuously asking it. My apologies to you and anyone else who chafed when reading that, it was a smarty aleck ego (rahu) thing of me to ask such a question while at the same time, assuming there would be no answer, for I do know better. Sincerely, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 the birth and death of Krishna should be considered like the sunrise and sunset of the Sun. It is just an illusion that the Sun is born and dies because the Sun is always there. Dear Natabara, It was with a quick thought and an egoistic twinkle that I wrote that question, not thinking I would be taken seriously...it was in response to the idea of a good person to come into the world this September, followed with the thought of Krishna's return to earth....i was putting both of these ideas together and rejected that we could predict exact return of Krishna to earth form, so wrote my foolish question. Many thanks to you for your thoughtful response, with which I am in complete agreement. Best wishes, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 natabara wrote : >Dear Himanshu > >you ><<According to my teachers at Vedic astrology Class, we should >never study the the horoscope of Lord Krishna. The reason being >once we have the horoscope of God incarnation on earth... we >start analyzing the horoscope. But if we try to find the faults >in the horosope then it is highly sinful since we try to find >faults with God. I sincerely agree with them.>> > >me >I think that it is a wise advise. Due to our ignorance, envy or >false ego, we are told in the beginning many similar advises. > >However, once we are more advanced, purified and that our false >ego is more tamed, we can find inspiration in reading the >horoscope of God on earth. At that time, we are given many >secrets and confidential matters. > >It may take a short time or a life time to receive divine >nectar, but the promise is there, that we will get it if we are >sincere. > >In fact, His divine mercy is there from the beginning of time, >but we are so attracted to the illusory energy that we cannot see >the truth around us. > >My teachers told me that the false ego is like a dusty mirror. >The more we clean that mirror, the more we will be able to see >our real face, our real ego, our real self, our real identity. > >Sociologists agree that every individual becomes entangled in >sex, class and nation, as soon as education starts. > >Although the soul is pure in the beginning, from babyhood we are >told "what a beautiful boy/girl". Therefore, the soul becomes >identified with the "I am a boy/girl", "i am beautiful". Later >on we are told "you should behave according to your class, you >are rich/poor", > >We are told as well "you are black/white/yellow/red/brown etc" >and "you are American/Mexican/ Russian/ French/British etc and >you have to defend your country. And you are >Christian/Jew/Muslim/Hindu/Buddhist/ etc. > >All those designations are part of the material conception. Our >false ego girates around those temporary labels. > >In reality, we are spiritual souls, we all are brothers and >sisters. Frontiers and limitations are dictated by illusory and >temporary powers. > >When we die, we lose all those designations and we reincarnate in >another body which will be limited by some different designations >to the ones encountered at present. > >best wishes >Natabara Das > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 i think it is too much of mumbo jumbo. religion is simple and not complicated. do you know lord always comes at right time .what about lord rama. his helper hanumana was with arjun and and he was also there so you should also say some thing about it also . then how can lord krishana come in the grab of a saint he was toooooooo small to be lord krishana. krishan is the king of yogis and how a master can be life gauranga.well iskon does take it to limits and look at the sexual harassment case against it.what about meerabai and saint surdas. all are forgotten and only prabhupad and chatanya maha prabhu exists dont you think it taking it to limits. yoga gives supernatural powers but still to say chatinya was lord is too much.what about other saints of india who have worshipped him . deepak singh On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 natabara wrote : >Dear Carol > >you ><<My question to you is, does Krishna have a horoscope of His >birth? (That would indicate he has an end as well as a >beginning!)>> > >me > From the relative vision or consideration, we may say that >Krishna has a beginning and an end. But the Lord does that as a >pastime to fulfil a certain pastime according to his Divine >will. > > From the Srimad Bhagatam, we can read that Gargamuni (one of the >18 fathers of Vedic astrology) calculated His Divine horoscope >soon after He was born some 5,000 years ago, some 125 years >before the beginning of the present Kali Yuga. > >Because Mr Kali could not start his age of Kali, the age of >quarrels, frictions and hypocrisy, as long as the feet of the >Lord were touching the earth, Krishna arranged His departure from >thos earthly realm. > >However, the birth and death of Krishna should be considered like >the sunrise and sunset of the Sun. It is just an illusion that >the Sun is born and dies because the Sun is always there. > >Lord Brahma, the architect of this particular universe, lives for >100 of his years equivalent to 311,040,000,000 yeatrs on earth. > >However, a life of Brahma is equivalent to about 1/5 of a second >in Krishna's life. > >As far as i know, nobody has beeen able to produce the horoscope >of lord Krishna, but we are trying to find it, and i am sure that >one day somebody will find it. > >Some descriptions of His horoscope are given in the Srimad >bhagavatam and in the Mahabharata. > >Best wishes >Natabara Das > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 Dear KH What do you kind unfortunate about kala sarpa yoga? I have quite a few clients with this placement that are happy and successful. What have you seen? c - <Postomega16 <gjlist> Saturday, March 09, 2002 1:51 PM Re: [GJ] DIVINE BIRTH > > But unfortunately this person will have Kala sarpa yoga. KH > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2002 Report Share Posted March 12, 2002 Namaste Natabara, How are you? Thanks for the replies to Deepak. I think you said it better than i could. I kept quiet because i did not think that we could come to an agreement. About what you said concerning Bhagwan Krishna's birth chart, i have a question. In the scriptures there are birth charts informations on Lord Rama and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. What do you think about that? Hari Om Hari Das ---------- "natabara" <natabara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> "GJlist" <gjlist> [GJ] DIVINE BIRTH Sat, Mar 9, 2002, 8:51 PM Dear Himanshu you <<According to my teachers at Vedic astrology Class, we should never study the the horoscope of Lord Krishna. The reason being once we have the horoscope of God incarnation on earth... we start analyzing the horoscope. But if we try to find the faults in the horosope then it is highly sinful since we try to find faults with God. I sincerely agree with them.>> me I think that it is a wise advise. Due to our ignorance, envy or false ego, we are told in the beginning many similar advises. However, once we are more advanced, purified and that our false ego is more tamed, we can find inspiration in reading the horoscope of God on earth. At that time, we are given many secrets and confidential matters. It may take a short time or a life time to receive divine nectar, but the promise is there, that we will get it if we are sincere. In fact, His divine mercy is there from the beginning of time, but we are so attracted to the illusory energy that we cannot see the truth around us. My teachers told me that the false ego is like a dusty mirror. The more we clean that mirror, the more we will be able to see our real face, our real ego, our real self, our real identity. Sociologists agree that every individual becomes entangled in sex, class and nation, as soon as education starts. Although the soul is pure in the beginning, from babyhood we are told "what a beautiful boy/girl". Therefore, the soul becomes identified with the "I am a boy/girl", "i am beautiful". Later on we are told "you should behave according to your class, you are rich/poor", We are told as well "you are black/white/yellow/red/brown etc" and "you are American/Mexican/ Russian/ French/British etc and you have to defend your country. And you are Christian/Jew/Muslim/Hindu/Buddhist/ etc. All those designations are part of the material conception. Our false ego girates around those temporary labels. In reality, we are spiritual souls, we all are brothers and sisters. Frontiers and limitations are dictated by illusory and temporary powers. When we die, we lose all those designations and we reincarnate in another body which will be limited by some different designations to the ones encountered at present. best wishes Natabara Das Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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