dear Sir

[Guest guest]

Dear Deepak

 

you

<<yes i have given the advice and i stand by it. ik think that when youlearn

hinu astrology and have gone through the vadic literature then you must i

repeat again go through the works of swami vivakanda and swami sivnandathey are

the products of best of indian gurus and literally the best and in all these

works you will find that there is nothing esoteric about it.sury namaskar is

recommended for every indian and it is a yougic practice and also looking at

the sun . the gayatri mantra is also a forn of sun workship.hopr you ahve read

patangali you sutras by swami vaivakananda and other perople,if you have then

you will realise that i have said nothing but repeated the words of the great

saints any yes people of us and europe have generally read prabhupad and iskon

only(i said generally but indian religion is really wast and hope you have gone

through all the works of shri k nrao of bhariya vidhy bhavan>>

 

me

With all the respects, please read again what you wrote. Of 20 lines i have

found 18 misspellings.

 

Even for a foreign to the English language like me, used to read broken English,

i find it difficult to read your email.

 

You can give many excuses but i can see the laziness and careless from you in

writing or communicating your ideas. It seems to me that you have Mars and

Saturn affected in the 3rd house and therefore you suffer from

misunderstandings due to you no being attentive in what you want to say.

 

What is the use of trying to put your ideas forward if you do not care in giving

a good presentation, i least you can try to use the spelling button to correct

misspellings.

 

Regarding the Indian Authors, with all the respects to them all, i do not agree

that all of them are great exponents of Vedic knowledge.

 

According to our gunas, we are attracted to authors having a sympathy to our

beliefs. In my personal experience every author has a hidden or open intention

and not necessarily may be good.

 

Authors may be searching for fame, glory, money, lust, pride etc. And those

egocentric tendencies contaminate their writings.

 

We read Srila Prabhupada books because his intentions were sincere and pure.

 

You mention Max Muller, we know that he had pride in his religious beliefs to

the point of trying to minimise the Vedic knowledge in his translations and

therefore, he many times minimised or distorted the vedic meaning.

 

Regarding the advise given in some books about celibacy or Sun worship, a guru

is recommended for such practices. Otherwise, books alone can bring chaos or

damage as we have seen in some cases.

 

you

<<.two moinutes of sun grasing is nothing saints do it from morning to evening

and /it is aform of tratak to control your mind.>>

 

me

There are different methods to help control the mind and not a general practise for all as you say.

 

you

<<as for bramcharya i hope you have read the indin system of medicine it repeats

againg and again the concept of bramcharya .please read charak smihita . the

basic and core book of ayurveda . then please do read the serprnt power by

jhown wodrofee.plese dont give lectures as to the advice givben to people on

the net.if you have to counter act the advice then do read throughly all about

india.it has vast amount of books and amny streams .in all forms of mmedation

and mantra japa ijn india it is recommended practice to maintain celibicy.as

my guru shri kn rao says that the american concept of religion or sprituality

and relationshis is some thing of stupidity .you cannot be religious with out

the conceopt of celibicy and to know the concept of celiby please do read narad

samihita .celiby does not means thta to maintain it forcebilly but to eradicate

the desire for it totally.please do read all the books and if possibe do also

read the buddisthist literature also and read the book of questions of meander

it ha sbeen translated by max muller. hope when you ahve read it and under

stood it then please have the courage to give such a sweeping statement about

bramcharya and astrology.

 

me

You mention to have a guru, then please try to be a worthy disciple and clear up

your presentation and und erstanding of what you read.

 

Best wishes

Natabara Das

[Guest guest]

dear Natabara Das

please do wait for my reply as typing does takes a lot of time

and my third lord is not in any way connected by saturn and mars

and it is aspected by jupiter and in lagna(hope now you can

decide some thing and hope you realise the effect of third lord

when it is strong and aspected by jupiter and simultaniously it is

forming a gajkesri yoga also and my dasha is one of the lords of 9

th or 5 th lord and hope you can again decide some thing about

me.writing comes from mercury .

deepak singh

 

On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 natabara wrote :

>Dear Deepak

>

>you

><<yes i have given the advice and i stand by it. ik think that

>when youlearn hinu astrology and have gone through the vadic

>literature

>then you must i repeat again go through the works of swami

>vivakanda and swami sivnanda

>they are the products of best of indian gurus and literally the

>best and in all these works you will find that there is nothing

>esoteric about it.sury namaskar is recommended for every indian

>and it is a yougic practice and also looking at the sun . the

>gayatri mantra is also a forn of sun workship.

>hopr you ahve read patangali you sutras by swami vaivakananda and

>other perople,if you have then you will realise that i have said

>nothing but repeated the words of the great saints any yes people

>of us and europe have generally read prabhupad and iskon only(i

>said generally but indian religion is really wast and hope you

>have gone through all the works of shri k nrao of bhariya vidhy

>bhavan>>

>

>me

>With all the respects, please read again what you wrote. Of 20

>lines i have found 18 misspellings.

>

>Even for a foreign to the English language like me, used to read

>broken English, i find it difficult to read your email.

>

>You can give many excuses but i can see the laziness and careless

> from you in writing or communicating your ideas. It seems to

>me that you have Mars and Saturn affected in the 3rd house and

>therefore you suffer from misunderstandings due to you no being

>attentive in what you want to say.

>

>What is the use of trying to put your ideas forward if you do not

>care in giving a good presentation, i least you can try to use

>the spelling button to correct misspellings.

>

>Regarding the Indian Authors, with all the respects to them all,

>i do not agree that all of them are great exponents of Vedic

>knowledge.

>

>According to our gunas, we are attracted to authors having a

>sympathy to our beliefs. In my personal experience every author

>has a hidden or open intention and not necessarily may be good.

>

>Authors may be searching for fame, glory, money, lust, pride etc.

>And those egocentric tendencies contaminate their writings.

>

>We read Srila Prabhupada books because his intentions were

>sincere and pure.

>

>You mention Max Muller, we know that he had pride in his

>religious beliefs to the point of trying to minimise the Vedic

>knowledge in his translations and therefore, he many times

>minimised or distorted the vedic meaning.

>

>Regarding the advise given in some books about celibacy or Sun

>worship, a guru is recommended for such practices. Otherwise,

>books alone can bring chaos or damage as we have seen in some

>cases.

>

>you

><<.two moinutes of sun grasing is nothing saints do it from

>morning to evening and /it is aform of tratak to control your

>mind.>>

>

>me

>There are different methods to help control the mind and not a

>general practise for all as you say.

>

>you

><<as for bramcharya i hope you have read the indin system of

>medicine it repeats againg and again the concept of bramcharya

>.please read

>charak smihita . the basic and core book of ayurveda . then

>please do read the serprnt power by jhown wodrofee.plese dont

>give lectures as to the advice givben to people on the

>net.if you have to counter act the advice then do read throughly

>all about india.it has vast amount of books and amny streams

>.in

>all forms of mmedation and mantra japa ijn india it is

>recommended practice to maintain celibicy.as my guru shri kn

>rao

>says that the american concept of religion or sprituality and

>relationshis is some thing of stupidity .you cannot be religious

>with out the conceopt of celibicy and to know the concept of

>celiby please do read narad samihita .celiby

>does not means thta to maintain it forcebilly but to eradicate

>the desire for it totally.please do read all the books and if

>possibe do also read the buddisthist literature also and read the

>book of questions of meander it ha sbeen translated by max

>muller. hope

>when you ahve read it and under stood it then please have the

>courage to give such a sweeping statement about bramcharya and

>astrology.

>

>me

>You mention to have a guru, then please try to be a worthy

>disciple and clear up your presentation and und erstanding of

>what you read.

>

>Best wishes

>Natabara Das

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

dear natabara,

i knew that u r goinng to say things about my spelling mistakes

dont u think that getting the gist of the ideas is much more

important than the presentation itself ..and the knowledge not the

language is important ...information can be conveyed in any

language ...but human minds understands thje basic concepts ....i

think always ...

its an assurance from me that in future and infact from in here

itself ..i'd be very much presice and cautious of my spelling

mistakes .

do tell me the country u belong to ...it would help me to know the

cultural inluence on ur mind ..and ur basic philosophy ....as its

said that the effect of the water of the land never dims .and this

<beginning of the sentence with and .....is acceptable these days

....i'm sure u r upgraded too >...and and this also reflects in ur

way of doing predictions as u urself know while predicting that u

have to know "desh ,kal ,patra " meaning country ,time period and

the person u give the prediction to .

while giving predictions of an ancient period or judging history u

have to go back inthat time itself without the knowledge which u

have gained of the present time period .max muller was a pioneer

and he helped to spread the knowledge of vedas and indian

religious texts to the world when indian civilisation and culture

was looked down upon ...and also when india was under british

rule...and the basic concept of british rule was that indian's are

not fit to rule themselves ..also the british culture is more

advanced than any other culture of the world ..

 

as for today it is the indian culture which is giving relief to

the tortured souls throughout the world ..it seems surprising that

u look down upon max muller ..not realising that there were no

english translations and other books available to him at that time

....

today u have many books so u can easily say that he was biased ..i

also know that he never came to india so how can he understand

truely the core of indian culture ,but stil his efforts were

admirable and he struggled a lot to learn sanskrit and spread it

in germany ...we as indians are deeply indebted to him that he was

able to spread to a great extent our thinking to the western

world when we were not able to defend ourselves .

who can afford to be lazy and careless ...have u seen the

lion...his carelessness doesn't mean that he is not the king of

the jungle ..more important is the ideas and not the spellings .

regarding indian authors i had the previlage of seeing many

gurus and the religious texts of many sects of india and i found

that in the religious terms they are still the best as compared to

the west ...i aknowledge the excellence of buddhist and the deep

understanding of these sciences by japan and china ..they are now

the treasure house of the buddhist religion ...and ofcourse tibet

....but reading a book written by western author about indian

religion is like a child giving advice to an old man .

gita has always said that work for the work sake ...u have come to

know about gita from the last 200 years ...but it has been

followed by almost all the people of the country and its a

surprising fact that most of the indian rulers in one way or the

other affected by gita .

most of the gurus worked for the benefit of people and i know that

shri prabhupada became a monk after 50 years of age ....i do not

deny his commentery on gita...but his path was a path of bhakti

yoga as i have seen again n again in isckon temple i do hve his

horoscope also and its given in k n rao's books ..i hope u have

seen it ,but still if u read sant gyaneshwars ...gyaneshwari ..the

maharashtrian saint who lived in 12 ad and died at the age of

around 24 ...or taken samadhi as he...while alive closed himself

into a cave he was a full blown yogi and his guru was one of the

best teachers of yoga ..and then by our former poresident "dr

radhakrishna "he has also written it .if u look at what swami

vivekanand has said about gita ..and his meaning of it u will

realise as the mind so the commentery ..different yogis have

foloowed different four paths of yoga as its already given in gita

..

as regarding the gunas i think that best is always the best

...bible ,gita ,quran and vedas are always the same but people

interpret it ina different way ....were the prophets who wrote or

spoke these words ...were not laying down a broad idealistic

vision for the people ?

and why do u consider them to be the truth or u can say that these

people were above normal beings ...or someone has reached such

hieghts that he becomes an ideal itself ..i think sri k n rao has

reached such hieghts regarding astrology as 2000 years ago

....virihamira had done so ....again virihamira was once a normal

human being ..dont u think that u let the destiny decide aftyer 5o

years who will be considered the best ...i have till this date not

seen someone so good as good in writing books and spreading the

knowledge of astrology to the masses .,..yes i know thwy are many

indian astrologers

who are better than him in astrology but they have not writen the

books and spread the knowledge itself .

as regarding the yoga the middle path is itself written in gita

and our body is still the best teacher the person who does yoga

will automatically know if he is extending his limits and human

knowledge and excellence has been produced by always testing the

beliefs of that particular time period ...so is the case in the

yoga if u test things not just read them u will find that u'll

know many secrests of the yoga itself ..and what i have said was

just a little part of yoga ..it can be done by any normal person

of course if u want to exceed the limits then u need a guru ..guru

basically shortens the path ..do u think eklavya was a fool ?he

considered dronacharya as a guru but never got his teachings from

him ..and still he was able to defeat arjun indirectly ..,.so guru

is always not needed .

i know that isckon is a product of chaitanya mahaprabhus mind

....he gave the broad ideas and the disciple chain implemented it

down the 100 years ..prabhupada himself was givena prediction that

he will build 108 temples .if u read the books of swami

vivekananda and the teachings of paramhansa they potray a

different world ..a world of work for the work sake and not

indulge in arbitrary discussions but to work for the benefit of

the people and help the poor ..u have closed ur mind to the other

influences the best always see both the sides of the coin ..u have

been it seems only been influenced by isckon while vivekanandas

guru also lived like a christian and a muslim to judge the truth

of various religions and the proclaimed that all the religions

lead to the same goal ..though it had been said so since time

immemorial in india ..this is the experience which indians had to

learn again and isckon is nothing but a wave in indian religion

....but it was the influence of vivekananda that india got freedom

....gandhi was deeply influenced by him .

in case u have arguments ...and reasons to justify urself ...do

correspond in a likely manner ....i'd not mind ur ripping my

arguments .

one last thing.... intelligent people always take the best things

from all the best sources and reject what is not correct ....do

read all the books i have refered above ...so that u can ....

i'm more than confident that u'll think broader ...

wishing the best

deepak singh

 

 

On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 natabara wrote :

>Dear Deepak

>

>you

><<yes i have given the advice and i stand by it. ik think that

>when youlearn hinu astrology and have gone through the vadic

>literature

>then you must i repeat again go through the works of swami

>vivakanda and swami sivnanda

>they are the products of best of indian gurus and literally the

>best and in all these works you will find that there is nothing

>esoteric about it.sury namaskar is recommended for every indian

>and it is a yougic practice and also looking at the sun . the

>gayatri mantra is also a forn of sun workship.

>hopr you ahve read patangali you sutras by swami vaivakananda and

>other perople,if you have then you will realise that i have said

>nothing but repeated the words of the great saints any yes people

>of us and europe have generally read prabhupad and iskon only(i

>said generally but indian religion is really wast and hope you

>have gone through all the works of shri k nrao of bhariya vidhy

>bhavan>>

>

>me

>With all the respects, please read again what you wrote. Of 20

>lines i have found 18 misspellings.

>

>Even for a foreign to the English language like me, used to read

>broken English, i find it difficult to read your email.

>

>You can give many excuses but i can see the laziness and careless

> from you in writing or communicating your ideas. It seems to

>me that you have Mars and Saturn affected in the 3rd house and

>therefore you suffer from misunderstandings due to you no being

>attentive in what you want to say.

>

>What is the use of trying to put your ideas forward if you do not

>care in giving a good presentation, i least you can try to use

>the spelling button to correct misspellings.

>

>Regarding the Indian Authors, with all the respects to them all,

>i do not agree that all of them are great exponents of Vedic

>knowledge.

>

>According to our gunas, we are attracted to authors having a

>sympathy to our beliefs. In my personal experience every author

>has a hidden or open intention and not necessarily may be good.

>

>Authors may be searching for fame, glory, money, lust, pride etc.

>And those egocentric tendencies contaminate their writings.

>

>We read Srila Prabhupada books because his intentions were

>sincere and pure.

>

>You mention Max Muller, we know that he had pride in his

>religious beliefs to the point of trying to minimise the Vedic

>knowledge in his translations and therefore, he many times

>minimised or distorted the vedic meaning.

>

>Regarding the advise given in some books about celibacy or Sun

>worship, a guru is recommended for such practices. Otherwise,

>books alone can bring chaos or damage as we have seen in some

>cases.

>

>you

><<.two moinutes of sun grasing is nothing saints do it from

>morning to evening and /it is aform of tratak to control your

>mind.>>

>

>me

>There are different methods to help control the mind and not a

>general practise for all as you say.

>

>you

><<as for bramcharya i hope you have read the indin system of

>medicine it repeats againg and again the concept of bramcharya

>.please read

>charak smihita . the basic and core book of ayurveda . then

>please do read the serprnt power by jhown wodrofee.plese dont

>give lectures as to the advice givben to people on the

>net.if you have to counter act the advice then do read throughly

>all about india.it has vast amount of books and amny streams

>.in

>all forms of mmedation and mantra japa ijn india it is

>recommended practice to maintain celibicy.as my guru shri kn

>rao

>says that the american concept of religion or sprituality and

>relationshis is some thing of stupidity .you cannot be religious

>with out the conceopt of celibicy and to know the concept of

>celiby please do read narad samihita .celiby

>does not means thta to maintain it forcebilly but to eradicate

>the desire for it totally.please do read all the books and if

>possibe do also read the buddisthist literature also and read the

>book of questions of meander it ha sbeen translated by max

>muller. hope

>when you ahve read it and under stood it then please have the

>courage to give such a sweeping statement about bramcharya and

>astrology.

>

>me

>You mention to have a guru, then please try to be a worthy

>disciple and clear up your presentation and und erstanding of

>what you read.

>

>Best wishes

>Natabara Das

>

>

>

>

>

>

>