Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 Dear List, Though I have kept myself aloof from this interesting discussion, I could not resist the temptation to intrude. What Partha had quoted was the translation of SARVALI by Sri. Santhanam. The words used by Kalyana Varma in the original are Atma for Sun and Mada for Rahu. Though the words used by Sri. Santhanam in translating are acceptable. These words may not accurately bring out the meanings of the original words in sanskrit. In my opinion Atma needs to be translated as "self" and Mada as pride, conceit or arrogance. Self - Sun (some commentary) 1. The individual as the object of his own reflective consciousness; the man viewed by his own cognition as the subject of all his mental phenomena, the agent in his own activities, the subject of his own feelings, and the possessor of capacities and character; a person as a distinct individual; a being regarded as having personality. The self, the I, is recognized in every act of intelligence as the subject to which that act belongs. It is I that perceive, I that imagine, I that remember, I that attend, I that compare, I that feel, I that will, I that am conscious. --Sir W. Hamilton. Pride– Rahu (some commentary) 1. The quality or state of being proud; inordinate self-esteem; an unreasonable conceit of one's own superiority in talents, beauty, wealth, rank, etc., which manifests itself in lofty airs, distance, reserve, and often in contempt of others. Those that walk in pride he is able to abase. --Dan. iv. 37. Pride that dines on vanity sups on contempt. --Franklin. 2. A sense of one's own worth, and abhorrence of what is beneath or unworthy of one; lofty self-respect; noble self-esteem; elevation of character; dignified bearing; proud delight; -- in a good sense. Thus to relieve the wretched was his pride. --Goldsmith. A people which takes no pride in the noble achievements of remote ancestors will never achieve anything worthy to be remembered with pride by remote descendants. --Macaulay. 3. Proud or disdainful behavior or treatment; insolence or arrogance of demeanor; haughty bearing and conduct; insolent exultation; disdain. Let not the foot of pride come against me. --Ps. xxxvi. 11. Sun, the self is the foundation of any being. It sustains the existence of the individual. Without it the world is naught, just as planets don't exist without the Sun to energize them. Sun connects the soul to the body and creates a self. The moon (signifying the mind), becomes the instrument the self uses to perceive the world around it. Hence, mind (or moon) is the link between the individual and the external world. Rahu on the other hand is a node of the moon. As such, it signifies an extreme state of the moon/mind. The moon being the vehicle through which the world is perceived, Rahu signifies an extremity in the perception of the individual, as to how he/she relates the self to the world. Ego, though an accurate word to describe self always creates confusion due to the multiple meanings attributed to it as a consequence of the loose manner in which it has been used over the years. Regards, Arun gjlist, "partvinu5" <partvinu5> wrote: > dear natabara > > the author is the great kalyan verma, i had in haste mentioned > saravali which is actually the name of the grantha(the great book). > > regards > partha > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 Dear List, Though I have kept myself aloof from this interesting discussion, I could not resist the temptation to intrude. What Partha had quoted was the translation of SARVALI by Sri. Santhanam. The words used by Kalyana Varma in the original are Atma for Sun and Mada for Rahu. Though the words used by Sri. Santhanam in translating are acceptable, they may not accurately bring out the meanings of the original words in sanskrit. In my opinion Atma needs to be translated as "self" and Mada as pride, conceit or arrogance. Self - Sun (some commentary) 1. The individual as the object of his own reflective consciousness; the man viewed by his own cognition as the subject of all his mental phenomena, the agent in his own activities, the subject of his own feelings, and the possessor of capacities and character; a person as a distinct individual; a being regarded as having personality. The self, the I, is recognized in every act of intelligence as the subject to which that act belongs. It is I that perceive, I that imagine, I that remember, I that attend, I that compare, I that feel, I that will, I that am conscious. --Sir W. Hamilton. Pride– Rahu (some commentary) 1. The quality or state of being proud; inordinate self-esteem; an unreasonable conceit of one's own superiority in talents, beauty, wealth, rank, etc., which manifests itself in lofty airs, distance, reserve, and often in contempt of others. Those that walk in pride he is able to abase. --Dan. iv. 37. Pride that dines on vanity sups on contempt. --Franklin. 2. A sense of one's own worth, and abhorrence of what is beneath or unworthy of one; lofty self-respect; noble self-esteem; elevation of character; dignified bearing; proud delight; -- in a good sense. Thus to relieve the wretched was his pride. --Goldsmith. A people which takes no pride in the noble achievements of remote ancestors will never achieve anything worthy to be remembered with pride by remote descendants. --Macaulay. 3. Proud or disdainful behavior or treatment; insolence or arrogance of demeanor; haughty bearing and conduct; insolent exultation; disdain. Let not the foot of pride come against me. --Ps. xxxvi. 11. Sun, the self is the foundation of any being. It sustains the existence of the individual. Without it the world is naught, just as planets don't exist without the Sun to energize them. Sun connects the soul to the body and creates a self. The moon (signifying the mind), becomes the instrument the self uses to perceive the world around it. Hence, mind (or moon) is the link between the individual and the external world. Rahu on the other hand is a node of the moon. As such, it signifies an extreme state of the moon/mind. The moon being the vehicle through which the world is perceived, Rahu signifies an extremity in the perception of the individual, as to how he/she relates the self to the world. Ego, though an accurate word to describe self always creates confusion due to the multiple meanings attributed to it as a consequence of the loose manner in which it has been used over the years. Regards, Arun gjlist, "partvinu5" <partvinu5> wrote: > dear natabara > > the author is the great kalyan verma, i had in haste mentioned > saravali which is actually the name of the grantha(the great book). > > regards > partha > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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