Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Dear Sanjay Prabhu you <<You friend seems to be very wise but has no filled you completely. The Dwadasamsa chart is also used for past life but ONLY in the conception chart as taught clearly by Jaimini.>> me Many thanks for that useful information, perhaps you do not realise about the value of it. It fits like a missing piece of the jig-saw. It was a rare opportunity to miss my friend but unfortunately i met him through another friend that did not grasp the benefits of his knowledge and blew up the friendship. Due to the power of illusion i had to see how the door to that knowledge was closing down. I could see that but i could not do anything about it. Lets named him friend 1, and the connection friend 2. I met friend 1 few times and each time we interchange some knowledge. He had a huge library and his knowledge was huge as well. As you have say, he did not give me the whole picture. There was not much time for that, but what i got was enough. At that time he told me that some of his teachers had predicted that the war in Yugoslavia was coming and that some of the omens had been already reported. They were particularly curious about the reports that the appearance of the Virgin Mary had been seen in some areas of Yugoslavia. As we know, our divine Mother can appear to people according to their beliefs. Omens are very important indeed. Eclipses were taken into consideration as well. Later on the whole thing developed as predicted by them. My friend was talking as well about conception and now that you mention that, i can refer to his attitude. I have not doubt that he had a lot of intimate and secret knowledge which cannot be given whimsically. By destiny, 2 people from 2 different institutions worked their illusion and ignorance and made things to appear as if friend 1 was on the wrong, when in fact, friend 2 got it wrong due to some misconceptions. you <<In fact the Venus position in Dwadasamsa in the conception chart shall give the physical body type that the native was having - animal or human and type of animal etc. these details are guarded secrets as they can cause a lot of hurt to people,>> me Yes, when the false ego is not tamed, it can cause a lot of harm. I have seen that happening many times. Only God can take the false ego away and therefore surrender to Him is a must. The spiritual path is open to everyone but the door to secret knowledge is narrow and only few are allowed in. I know about a friend that had been walking in the spiritual path for about 12 years, and to many, she was very advanced due to had been performed many austerities and service to the institution. One day, out of the blue, another friend of mine, a meat eater and without any spiritual discipline of knowledge, appeared. This friend was a fantastic healer at that time, and used to heal even cancer patients. One day my "spiritual" friend told me " I do not understand why God does not give me those healing powers to me, i have done more for Him than this materialistic friend". I could understand that her false ego was causing chaos. That is one of the reasons why i have asked to Robert "how long it takes to walk on the spiritual path, before we get siddhis (powers)". Unfortunately, Robert did not answer because he closed his shop. I did want him to clarify that important issue because i have seen many people getting a false impression about it. Some people think that because they live in a spiritual institution, do some spiritual service or wear spiritual clothes, that they are exempt of suffering from karma automatically or that they will get siddhis automatically. Some of them do not realise that siddhis are given thanks to the mercy of the guru and sometimes after a very long time, or sometimes not at all, all depends in some unknown factors, that only the bona fide guru knows. I have seen some so-called spiritual people making big offences. In our school, we compare those offences to the damage done to a nice garden by a mad elephant. Any nice garden can be spoiled by a mad elephant. Similarly, any spiritual advancement can get damaged by our foolish behaviour. Therefore, we should be careful in avoiding offending spiritual people. Due to those offences, we have to come back again and again to learn our lessons and not to do it next time. The karmic payment for those offences is complicated to describe but one of symptom is to get a so-called guru that is going to cheat us. In our illusion or ignorance we may think that we have the best guru when in reality it is the best rascal around. you <<but then we should remember that even India the King of Swarga incarnated as a pig and was most unwilling to give up that body!!!>> me Yes, that it is the power of illusion. Inconcebible. you <<I agree fully about your - to be careful. that is why I ask for the source as i have my sources well documented>> me i know that you have your sources well documented and that is excellent. Unfortunately, due to my travels, i have lost track of some of my sources. you <<and am very careful in this regard as mis-teaching can lead to a lot of sin.>> me I am well aware of that, and i would add "misunderstandings of those teachings can bring a lot of sin as well. you <<thank you so much for sharing - >> me It is my benefit, Thank you so much. best regards Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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