Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 Dear Natabara, I have understood most of what you wrote. I appreciate the lengthy explanations and how you have gone into my questions so deeply. In a very profound and subtle way I feel so much better and have a better orientation during this period. In my heart, I do feel the process or experience is great no matter the outcome. thanks to you I am even more detached than ever. Just a few more questions. you <<It is natural to react like that, most of us do it in that way, some never learn their lesson and others refuse to follow their destiny and pay with its consequences. We are supposed to follow our natural path, our natural destiny, and no to try to "force" a situation that satisfy our false ego. me this is so true, and with this in mind I can relax and just see what will be the natural destiny. you To be detached helps a lot, but detached of what?. Detached of fear, insecurity and failure. Let it be. me Again the same point. Lets hope it sinks in real deep. As detachment is one of the cornerstones of the spiritual path what a great lesson I can work on in this situation. you In this case. to give it up I a false detachment. Sooner or later, karma will work on you and sometimes when it is too late, due to our ignorance. me I see that now. Thanks me <<Are there cases where this sort of chart weakness was able to have a successful relationship.>. you So far, I have not seen that. me that is a pity. Do you mean now that most likely that if I am detached and let destiny unfold, that because of my chart, this will probably not work out. And I should just live it out anyway because this is my Karma. you Have you heard the song "La malagueña"? me yes. Its delightful. Also it is wonderful living in Malaga. you A little bit of understanding of Hata Yoga can help to visualize the elements in our body. The Bhagavad Gita says that this human body has 5 gross elements and 3 subtle elements. > Earth, the lowest and more gross of all the elements is connected to our bones. Here we have the base chakra, the Muladhara chakra represented by Mars and its yellow color. > Water, the next element going upwards is connected to the liquids in our body, like blood etc.. Here we have the Svadishtana chakra represented by the Moon and its orange color (these colors can be seen under an espectometer according to Bhattacharya in his book Gem Therapy). > Fire is connected to the normal body temperature and to the fire of the digestion. Here we have the Manipura chakra, represented by the Sun, the solar power and its color red. > Air is connected to the air in our body, our lungs, to prana, the essence of breathing. There are 10 different kinds of prana in our body. The Anahata chakra is here represented by the planet Saturn and its color is violet > Ether is connected to the speech, sound, and it has here the Visuddha chakra represented by Venus and its color indigo. > > > Those 5 elements are the gross elements. > > Then we have the subtle energy. > > The mind is connected to the Ajna chakra, represented by Jupiter and its blue color. > > The last chakra, or sahasrara chakra is connected to the intellect and it is represented by Mercury and its color green. > > See that the 7 colors of the rainbow are here folowed in its natural sequence, starting from green at the top, we descend to the lowest chakra which is represented by Mars or Tuesday and the red yellow color, then we go from yellow to green again. > > Above all this chakras and elements we have the false ego which is represented by the Sun. > > Chakra wise we saw all the 7 planets, but we know that the subtle elements are represented in a horoscope like this: > > The mind by the Moon; the intellect by Mercury; and the false ego by the Sun. > > When we die, the soul leaves the gross material body at once. But the soul takes with him/her the subtle body. The soul is never naked, the soul will always have a dress, either gross, subtle or spiritual. > > As long as the soul has not reached the ultimate goal which is in the spiritual realm, the soul has to move within this material manifestation. > > While in the gross manifestation, the soul has a body suitable to that environment. When "death", the soul still has a subtle body made of mind, intellect and false ego, or moon, mercury and the sun. > > The higher realm that the soul reaches, the less gross those subtle energies are. > > With those subtle energies the soul is ready to "enter" a gross body again in what we call reincarnation. All this process happens under the guidance of higher authorities and according to our desires and karma. > > Therefore i say that "we chose our body but according to our desires and karma". Some people say that we "chose our body". > > Another important thing is the psychic realm. Some people confuses the psychic energy with the spiritual energy, without realizing that the psychic energy is still material. > > The psychic energy is like a river dividing the material level from the spiritual realm. > > We are moving within the material energy and some can get in touch from here with the psychic energy but cannot understand it well. > > It is said that the mind is the fastest of the other 5 elements, because just by thinking on the moon, we can travel with our mind to that loka, or planet. But the psychic energy is faster than the mind. me I will be studying this very carefully. The most poignant point for me is the reminder that we are spiritual beings in our most profound and pure essence. I never heard it said to see the sun as the false ego. What is the difference between the ego, and the false ego. Thanks me <<If he is the one developing detachment and I don't feel needed let it be too. I would love a little more advice.>> you In a relationship, we have to acomodate our self to the other. It is not a selfish question of just give me or scratch my back and i will scratch yours, it is a giving and take, harmonizing. We should not expect the partner to knock at our door, rather we should learn to know when our partner is getting ready to knock at the door. We should harmonise the natures, rather than force sitiuations. me so well said. And it helps a lot. me <<Could it be that this attitude of detachment could lead to a better loving relationship or a further distancing? you When both are detached, the harmony will be perfect. First we should learn to see what we really need and not what we think we need. Then, we have to harmonize. We cannot force divinity to fullfill our selfish desires or ignorance. me you wrote so much about relationships and this is very helpful. I agree that if a person learns to love well they will be able to harmonize. Thank you again for your time and wisdom, April Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 Dear Natabara Glad you thought it was good feed-back. We all need this. Take your time, Thanks, April On 10 February 2002 12:06, natabara [sMTP:natabara] wrote: > Dear April > > Many thanks for your nice reply. It has been a good feed-back. > > I will post more about your charts later when i have more time. > > Best wishes > natabara das > << File: ATT00055.html >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2002 Report Share Posted February 13, 2002 Dear Natabara Das, I want to say that you are absolutely correct on your comments. He is a professional artist as well as a healer because he is a Doctor, a surgeon. And the other things fit as well. The Rahu dasa was very difficult as you said too. The saturn dasa being the first 9 years as ruler of the 9th coincides with a great intensification of his spiritual life when it began in 1995. I look forward to following the transits this month and for the Bukti to change to Venus in 4/2002. This will be an experiment with my intuition. I've got my ideas. The way you very carefully explained how to look at the dasas and buktis etc. has helped me greatly to learn and all was very clear. If I have a more personal question may I write to your own e-mail. All the very best for your time and great teaching ability. April On 12 February 2002 13:08, natabara [sMTP:natabara] wrote: > Dear April > > Here we have the chart you want to see in the vedic format. The calcu lations are according to Lahiri's ayanamsa. > > Data of the native: > 01 Dec 1953 > 18:00 > Malaga > TZ 1 E > Lat 36N43/Lon 4W25 > > Moon Sign: Virgo > Rising Sign: Taurus > Sun Sign: Scorpio > Moon Star (Nakshatra): Hasta Pada (Quarter): 4 > Tithi 11th Tithi-Ekadashi of Waning Moon > Yoga 3rd-Ayushman > Karan 52nd-Balava > > On the day of birth, at the place of birth: > The Lagna, and the Planets, > and the Nakshatra (Star) ruling over each. > "Ret"='retrograde', meaning backwards moving. > > Planet Ret Sign (Rasi) Degrees Nakshatras > -------------------- > Ascendant Taurus 16° 45' Rohini > Sun Scorpio 16° 0' Anuradha > Moon Virgo 22° 33' Hasta > Mars Virgo 25° 22' Chitra > Mercury Libra 25° 47' Visakha > Jupiter R Taurus 29° 47' Mrgashira > Venus Scorpio 1° 47' Visakha > Saturn Libra 11° 27' Swati > Rahu Capricorn 3° 8' Uttarashadha > Ketu Cancer 3° 8' Punarvasu > Uranus R Gemini 29° 24' Punarvasu > Neptune Libra 1° 58' Chitra > Pluto R Leo 1° 47' Magha > > ******** > I let my intuition to go to the relevant points to mention. Considering that there is a public reading about it, i only say what is relevant, leaving aside his personal or intimate reading which you can find now or later. > > I never disclose some personal matters to others because knowledge can be difficult to keep safe. I trust the soul but not the false ego. > > Taurus rising indicates an external personality ruled by Venus. The person is charming, artistic but can be stubborn. Rohini rising means a generous and kind person. > > Jupiter in the ascendant can give a very attractive personality. I have read that this configuration makes the personality very prominent to the point that when the person enters a room, everyone there will automatically feel and look that someone "important" just came in. > > Moon in the 5th indicates a very independant personality, in Virgo, means a native of Virgo, very sistematic, analytic and likes to criticise things because of his search for perfection. > > Maturity can control well those tendencies. > > Rahu in 9th gives a very unhortodox belief system. Difficult for him to trust due to his personal experiences in life. > > Venus and Ssun, lords of 4th and 1st together (Venus is not combust) means a raja yoga, capable of giving him some name, power and influence, especially among the masses or partners (yoga is in the 7th house). > > Saturn lord of the 10 in 6th indicates the potential to make a living in activities connected to service, healing, advising or counselling. > > The native was born under the moon main period and started his Saturn main period in 2 July 1995. This means that this is his 5th main period. > > The Saturn dasa last for 19 years. To study dasas, study the indications given by signs owned by the dasa lord. > > For Taurus rising, Saturn rules Capricorn and Aquarius or the 9th and 10th houses respectively. > > Divide the 19 years of Saturn dasa by 2 and you will have 9 and 1/2 years in each half. The first half will give more indications of the 9th house and the second half will be more prominent in regard to the 2nd half or the 10th house. > > That means that from 2 July 1995 to 2 Jan 2005, the first half time of the Saturn dasa will rule his life and therefore look at the meaning of his 9th house as giving more predominant effects. > > Between 2 Jan 2005 to 2 July 2014, look more for the effects indicated by the 10th house. > > He is in the Ketu bukti from 14 March 2001 to 23 April 2002. For Buktis, study the location of the lord and his aspects. In this case, Ketu is in the 3rd house and Ketu has no aspects. Therefore, the indications of the 3rd house will be more prominent. > > From 23 April 2002 to 23 June 2005, he is going to be under the venus bukti. Therefore, the meaning of the 7th house will be prominent and as a secondary effect, the aspect of Venus or the 1st house indications will be prominent. > > The raya yoga indicated by Venus will be prominent as well, mainly during his bukti. > > You can see as well that there is a relationship or yoga between the sun and Jupiter and Jupiter and Venus by mutual aspect. > > The lordship of those planets will be prominent as well. > > Between 23 Dec 2001 and 25 Feb 2002, he will be under the antara of Saturn. For antaras you have to study both, the ownership and location and aspects of the lord. > > In this case, Saturn rules the 9th and 10th houses, and is in the 6th. Therefore, all those houses will be more prominent in this Saturn antara. Considering the aspects of Saturn on the 8th, 12th and 3rd, those houses will have a secondary effect on the native. > > Regarding the constellations, His Moon is in a constellation ruled by the Moon. Therefore the 3rd constellation from it is ruled by Rahu. Because the 3rd constellation is the most negative, during the dasa (by ownership) of Rahu, he saw a very controversial and difficult time. And because Saturn is in a constellation of Rahu, during the Saturn buktis (by location), he saw a similar negative time. Similar negative times appears during the antaras (by ownership and location) of Rahu and Saturn. > > Looking at the transits, as astrologer you know were the planets are at present and see that Rahu will move this week from his 10th to the 9th. For transits the position of the moon is primary. As a secondary effect but also important see the transits from the ascendant. In this way you will see that Rahu will move from his 2nd to 1st. > > If you look at the astro calendar for this month you can see that the moon is making a conjunction with Mars in Pisces on the 17th Feb. That means that Mars is still in Pisces because Mars in general moves in one sign for 6 weeks. > > Therefore, if Mars is in Pisces, it is in the 7th from the Moon but in the 11th from his ascendant. So, use you intuition and blend the results. > > The Sun goes into Aquarius today at 18:52 GMT. That means than from today, the sun will move for one month in Aquarius which is the 6th from his moon and 10th from his ascendant. > > When a planet moves alone in the sky, his effects are simple. But at the conjunctions, the effects become double or more important. > > Much more important if the conjunction happens above a natal planet or in a secondary effect if in opposition to a natal planet. > > The same we can say for the transits, a conjunction is stronger than an opposition but we have to see their effects on the natal planets affected. > > Talking about transits, He does not have planets in Aquarius and therefore, the transits of the planets in Aquarius do not affect him so much directly, but regarding the houses from the moon and ascendant, his Aquarius can become affected by the present transits especially when present circumstances are indicating the trends. > > In another posting i will say more about the chemistry between charts. > > I hope that this post will be helpful. Any questions are welcome. > > Best wishes > Natabara Das > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << File: ATT00006.html >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Dear April <<Glad you thought it was good feed-back. We all need this.>> me One of my teachers told me to learn how to get a feed back from anyone that you wish. It takes time to learn but it is fun. In course of time you can have a lot of information from a simple word or mannerism. Intentions are very important because indicate the inner self of a person. Learning about the intentions is also very important. Imitation may be done and a false pretence as well but all that can be detected with a good training. One of our main problems is to believe that we are the controllers. The supreme controller is called Isvara, another name for Krishna (God). In our conditioned situation, we like to control our environment forgetting to control our false ego. Any person can have good skills for astrology or any other profession, due to either the grace from gurus in previous lives or from this life. But the lack of control of the false ego makes the person to lose everything. Therefore we should be careful to avoid misusing our false ego. A person with a big false ego may see a big false ego in a humble person, but it is only an illusion. By nature a humble person will not retaliate to the level of the false ego but due to the attack, the materialistic person will lose powers. That is the law of nature. Therefore, we should try to be humble with the humble and heavy with the false ego. One of the symptoms to detect a humble ego is by studying his/her deeds, who profits from it? Best wishes Natabara das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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