Jyotish: Stock Market Update/Apr 14 2000

[Guest guest]

Dear Ilona,

 

I just wanted to follow up on an earlier post in which I said there were

good reasons for seeing declines in the markets, aside from Rick Houck's

Uranus ingress theory.

 

One of the really neat things is how two different charts can show problems

at the same time. This is usually what happens in the NASDAQ and NYSE --

when one goes up a lot, the other one follow suit just about 100% of the

time. The two charts are very different, and yet the big changes in prices

happen at the same time, with the transiting planets being the same

position. How does this happen?

 

I think the most recent example of this phenomenon occurred on "Black

Friday", Apr 14 2000 when the technology bubble finally burst for good.

(for a good summary of the whole bubble economy and the stock market, see

article by John Cassidy in The New Yorker, Jan 14 2002) That day the Dow

fell 617 points (a modest 6%) while the NASDAQ fell 355 points, about 8%.

Not exactly a crash by conventional definitions, but it clearly signalled

that an era of blind optimism had come to an end.

 

The NASDAQ chart was running Merc-Sat at the time. Right off the bat, the

transits tell a good part of the story. Tr. Saturn 23Ar22 was closely

conjunct its debilitated natal position 22Ar48. This affliction to natal

Saturn and bhuktie lord was intensified by virtue of Tr. Mars right behind

at 22Ar38. Saturn is important to the NASDAQ chart because it is the only

planet in the all-important first house and thus close afflictions to it

can be seen as afflictions to the "body" of the exchange as a whole. In

addition Tr. Ketu 5Cp46 was closely conjunct the planet of trade and dasha

lord Mercury 7Cp46. I would also add that Tr. Saturn was casting its 10H

aspect to Mercury as well. These close afflictions of both the period lord

and sub lord, paint a fairly clear picture of restriction, loss, and sudden

changes and reversals.

 

Still with transits, Tr Pluto 18Sc54 was in close conjunction to lagnesh

Mars in the 8H 17Sc02. This also is suggestive of a sea change in the

direction of the market, as Pluto governs long term transformation and

death -- death of the bull market in technology, in this case. Tr. Uranus

26Cp24 was also conjunct 5L Sun(lord of house of investments, karaka for

body in 10H of public projection) 25Cp51 in the 10th house. This again

reinforces the idea that reversals were in the air.

 

It is also worth noting that at the time of Black Friday both dasha lords

were debilitated in transit, as Saturn was in Aries in the 1st and Mercury

was in Pisces in the 12th. A nice reminder of some basic jyotish rules there.

 

While I don't want to go into too much on the progressions here, let me

just say there were a few big obvious ones that stand out. Secondary

progressed Moon, the single most important timer in this chart, at 00Le18

was conjunct 5th house Ketu at 00Le33. And arguable the second most

important timer in the secondary progressed chart, the part of fortune, (or

punya saham, as it is known in Tajika astrology) at 23Li11 was in near

exact opposition to natal Saturn 22Ar48. Given everything else going on

the chart, it seems pretty clear to me that these two hits foretold a

downturn at this time.`

 

Turning to the NYSE chart now, I have been using a rectified time of May 17

1792 10.30 am LMT. So far, it works fairly well using well-known past

events. We shall see if it still works when it really counts -- in the

future! Here's some of the highlights I see in this chart for Black

Friday. The chart was running Sat-Sat at the time. Interestingly, this

chart also has a debilitated Saturn in Aries, although this one is better

off, being in the 10H with benefic Venus. So that Saturn transit at 23Ar22

did afflict natal Saturn as well, although very widely. Of more

importance, however, is the transit of the nodes. As we saw above, Ketu

5Cp46 wreaked its havoc directly on dasha lord and trading karaka Mercury.

Here those transiting nodes fall exactly square to the dasha lord, on 5

degrees of the moveable signs. While some purists might object to using

non-traditional aspecting, I still consider this more than coincidental and

part of the overall configuration of the chart's affliction. Transiting

Mars 22Ar38 also afflicts this Saturn, again with a fairly wide orb, but

perhaps more importantly it casts its full strength 4H aspect exactly to

the lagna, which lies at 24Cn40. This is another example of an affliction

to the "body" of the exchange, or the market as a whole.

 

Transiting Ketu causes more problems for this chart, namely to both 11H

planets, Sun and Mercury. Ketu 5Cp46 exactly trines 2L/11H Sun 6Ta27 and

also afflicts 11H Mercury 2Ta55. I think this is an important aspect

because the 11th and 2nd houses are connected to gains and wealth and

because Mercury is planet of trading.

 

Briefly turning to some progressions, tertiary progressed Asc 9Aq34 is

conjunct tertiary progressed Pluto 10Aq21 and tertiary progressed Mars

9Sc55 squares that same Pluto. Together these progressions suggest a sharp

or even violent shift of mood and direction.

 

Finally, its very interesting to note that the eclipse prior to Apr 14 2000

occurred on singificant points in both charts. The Feb 5 2000 solar

eclipse at 22Cp14 fell only two degrees from aspecting the NYSE ascendant

(24Cn40). More amazingly, this was in a near-perfect square to the NASDAQ

first house and BL Saturn 22Ar47. It is perhaps because of the closer

connection to a significant point in this latter chart that explained why

Black Friday was more important to the NASDAQ that it was to the NYSE. The

NASDAQ, after all, began it's precipitous decline only a month earlier and

ended up losing 60% or its former value while the NYSE has so far only

experienced a relatively mild "correction" of 15% off its highs.

 

So while I think the afflictions to the NASDAQ chart are stronger and

easier to see, they clearly affect both. And while both charts are

different, they share some interesting connections, namely that NADAQ first

house Saturn falls near the same moveable degree as the NYSE Ascendant.

Also, it's curious that the NASDAQ Mercury 7Cp is just one degree away from

being in an exact trine with the NYSE Sun 6Ta which is 2L and in the 11th

house of gains. Clearly when the nodes afflict one planet, they will

likely afflict the other simultaneously. And the NASDAQ 5L/10H Sun 25Cp

is in near exact opposition to the NYSE Ascendant 24Cn. I believe these

strong synastric connections are some of reasons why the two charts move in

such unison.

 

Chris

[Guest guest]

Dear Chris,

you are working hard on this stuff, don`t you? Thank you very much for

sharing it. Hence it needs some time to go through it, I saved this mail.

During the last days I reflected about Houcks and your prediction and I

would say that there is really some possibilitity -unfortunately- that it

may come true, yet not as a sudden crash but in a very slow and devious

manner.

You know, my astrological work is more in the medical way, so I have some

lack in economical matters and casting mundane charts but that doesn`t

prevent me from following the economical situation. So, some days ago they

brought a surview in the radio regarding Japan`s economical situation. And

this sounds really bad. Japan will need money, a lot of money in the next

months. They told about credit institutes who might stop their "goodwill" in

april or so. Thus it might be possible that Japan will sue for payment of

the debts in the USA.

This developpment would become dangerous not only for the USA but for the

whole world.

So, it is perhaps Saturn, the son of good old Uranus, who might turn the

screw in his own slow tempo and maybe it will come out in may, when the Sun

enters Taurus, the sign of money, may be but better when not.

Best, Ilona

[Guest guest]

Dear Chris and Ilona

An economic crash is always possible when the US is so deeply indebted .One

economist said recession means debt clearing .Since we haven't cleared the

debt we haven't had the recession . On economics alone it would be very hard

to time .The markets are fairly resilient .People have got used to one

economist coming on talking gloom and doom and the next one usually a fund

manager promising the land of milk and honey .That is where astrology comes

in . On the 1781 chart I cannot see a crash this year .

Best Wishes

Nicholas

 

 

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<HellmannC200

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Monday, February 11, 2002 9:07 PM

[GJ] Jyotish: Stock Market Update/Apr 14 2000

 

 

> Dear Chris,

> you are working hard on this stuff, don`t you? Thank you very much for

> sharing it. Hence it needs some time to go through it, I saved this mail.

> During the last days I reflected about Houcks and your prediction and I

> would say that there is really some possibilitity -unfortunately- that it

> may come true, yet not as a sudden crash but in a very slow and devious

> manner.

> You know, my astrological work is more in the medical way, so I have some

> lack in economical matters and casting mundane charts but that doesn`t

> prevent me from following the economical situation. So, some days ago they

> brought a surview in the radio regarding Japan`s economical situation. And

> this sounds really bad. Japan will need money, a lot of money in the next

> months. They told about credit institutes who might stop their "goodwill"

in

> april or so. Thus it might be possible that Japan will sue for payment of

> the debts in the USA.

> This developpment would become dangerous not only for the USA but for the

> whole world.

> So, it is perhaps Saturn, the son of good old Uranus, who might turn the

> screw in his own slow tempo and maybe it will come out in may, when the

Sun

> enters Taurus, the sign of money, may be but better when not.

> Best, Ilona

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nicholas,

 

Are you using SA-type analysis on the 1781 chart as Grimes does?

 

Chris

 

 

At 09:44 PM 2/11/02 +1100, Nicholas wrote:

>Dear Chris and Ilona

>An economic crash is always possible when the US is so deeply indebted .One

>economist said recession means debt clearing .Since we haven't cleared the

>debt we haven't had the recession . On economics alone it would be very hard

>to time .The markets are fairly resilient .People have got used to one

>economist coming on talking gloom and doom and the next one usually a fund

>manager promising the land of milk and honey .That is where astrology comes

>in . On the 1781 chart I cannot see a crash this year .

>Best Wishes

>Nicholas

>

>

>-

><HellmannC200

><gjlist>

>Monday, February 11, 2002 9:07 PM

>[GJ] Jyotish: Stock Market Update/Apr 14 2000

>

>

>> Dear Chris,

>> you are working hard on this stuff, don`t you? Thank you very much for

>> sharing it. Hence it needs some time to go through it, I saved this mail.

>> During the last days I reflected about Houcks and your prediction and I

>> would say that there is really some possibilitity -unfortunately- that it

>> may come true, yet not as a sudden crash but in a very slow and devious

>> manner.

>> You know, my astrological work is more in the medical way, so I have some

>> lack in economical matters and casting mundane charts but that doesn`t

>> prevent me from following the economical situation. So, some days ago they

>> brought a surview in the radio regarding Japan`s economical situation. And

>> this sounds really bad. Japan will need money, a lot of money in the next

>> months. They told about credit institutes who might stop their "goodwill"

>in

>> april or so. Thus it might be possible that Japan will sue for payment of

>> the debts in the USA.

>> This developpment would become dangerous not only for the USA but for the

>> whole world.

>> So, it is perhaps Saturn, the son of good old Uranus, who might turn the

>> screw in his own slow tempo and maybe it will come out in may, when the

>Sun

>> enters Taurus, the sign of money, may be but better when not.

>> Best, Ilona

>>

>>

>>

>> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

>> : gjlist-

>>

>>

>>

>> Your use of is subject to

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>

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>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

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[Guest guest]

Dear Chris

Yes

Which is how he and I saw a very bad autumn well in advance.Saturn stopped

on the MEP of the 11th about the same time Jupiter stopped on the MEP of

the12th .

Nicholas

 

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"Christopher Kevill" <ckevill

<gjlist>; <gjlist>

Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:47 AM

Re: [GJ] Jyotish: Stock Market Update/Apr 14 2000

 

 

> Nicholas,

>

> Are you using SA-type analysis on the 1781 chart as Grimes does?

>

> Chris

>

>

> At 09:44 PM 2/11/02 +1100, Nicholas wrote:

> >Dear Chris and Ilona

> >An economic crash is always possible when the US is so deeply indebted

..One

> >economist said recession means debt clearing .Since we haven't cleared

the

> >debt we haven't had the recession . On economics alone it would be very

hard

> >to time .The markets are fairly resilient .People have got used to one

> >economist coming on talking gloom and doom and the next one usually a

fund

> >manager promising the land of milk and honey .That is where astrology

comes

> >in . On the 1781 chart I cannot see a crash this year .

> >Best Wishes

> >Nicholas

> >

> >

> >-

> ><HellmannC200

> ><gjlist>

> >Monday, February 11, 2002 9:07 PM

> >[GJ] Jyotish: Stock Market Update/Apr 14 2000

> >

> >

> >> Dear Chris,

> >> you are working hard on this stuff, don`t you? Thank you very much for

> >> sharing it. Hence it needs some time to go through it, I saved this

mail.

> >> During the last days I reflected about Houcks and your prediction and I

> >> would say that there is really some possibilitity -unfortunately- that

it

> >> may come true, yet not as a sudden crash but in a very slow and devious

> >> manner.

> >> You know, my astrological work is more in the medical way, so I have

some

> >> lack in economical matters and casting mundane charts but that doesn`t

> >> prevent me from following the economical situation. So, some days ago

they

> >> brought a surview in the radio regarding Japan`s economical situation.

And

> >> this sounds really bad. Japan will need money, a lot of money in the

next

> >> months. They told about credit institutes who might stop their

"goodwill"

> >in

> >> april or so. Thus it might be possible that Japan will sue for payment

of

> >> the debts in the USA.

> >> This developpment would become dangerous not only for the USA but for

the

> >> whole world.

> >> So, it is perhaps Saturn, the son of good old Uranus, who might turn

the

> >> screw in his own slow tempo and maybe it will come out in may, when the

> >Sun

> >> enters Taurus, the sign of money, may be but better when not.

> >> Best, Ilona

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> >> : gjlist-

> >>

> >>

> >>

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> >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

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