Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 Dear Lucia I take 5th for education but it is a long running argument .Many jyotishis take the 4th house .Advanced studies are seen from the 9th house because these require a guru or guru type figure i.e someone very advanced in the discipline.The third house has to do with communication which is how we view the devolopment of children in their early years .So I would correlate this house with early childhood development . 6th for servants . I would take 9th house for judges as he sits in the court as a Guru like figure who all parties have to defer to . This last one is a guess . Hope this helps Nicholas - Lucia Do Vale gjlist Thursday, February 07, 2002 7:33 PM [GJ] Significators Dear Sirs, Tahnk you! Someone sent to my mail the 6th house for servants, but I am still missing the meaning for a Judge in the Rasi chart (would that be the 10th or 9th?), and also if the 3rd or 5th for long term education, considering that the 9th is taken for superior studies. Thank you. Your faithfully, Mrs Lucia do ValeOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah --------------- Dear Lucia, 9th and Jupiter/Sag, for one who upholds Dharma and hence also Law. Long term education? Primary Education is seen from 4th house. If we work hard(6th) we can goto higher educations(6th from 4th is; 9th). The details of what we do in the higher educations is seen from Chathurthamsa(D-24), and best messured(my experience) through Narayana Dasa, whilst the experiences that affect the person is seen from Vimshottari Dasa. Best wishes, Visti. --- Lucia Do Vale <luciadovale wrote: > Dear Sirs, > Tahnk you! > > Someone sent to my mail the 6th house for > servants, but I am still missing the meaning for a > Judge in the Rasi chart (would that be the 10th or > 9th?), and also if the 3rd or 5th for long term > education, considering that the 9th is taken for > superior studies. Thank you. > Your faithfully, Mrs Lucia do Vale > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Greetings! http://greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 Dear Visti, Just one more question, if you do not mind of course. When talking about education and you mentioned "mesuring" you said Narayana Dasa, is it the same as Chara Dasa? If so, shall I read and interpret it the same way as Vimshottari? Thanks again. for that. Best wishes, Lucia. - Original Message ----- "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream <gjlist> Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:10 AM Re: [GJ] Significators > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > --------------- > Dear Lucia, > 9th and Jupiter/Sag, for one who upholds Dharma and > hence also Law. > > Long term education? > Primary Education is seen from 4th house. If we work > hard(6th) we can goto higher educations(6th from 4th > is; 9th). > > The details of what we do in the higher educations is > seen from Chathurthamsa(D-24), and best messured(my > experience) through Narayana Dasa, whilst the > experiences that affect the person is seen from > Vimshottari Dasa. > > Best wishes, Visti. > > --- Lucia Do Vale <luciadovale wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > > Tahnk you! > > > > Someone sent to my mail the 6th house for > > servants, but I am still missing the meaning for a > > Judge in the Rasi chart (would that be the 10th or > > 9th?), and also if the 3rd or 5th for long term > > education, considering that the 9th is taken for > > superior studies. Thank you. > > Your faithfully, Mrs Lucia do Vale > > > > > > > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Greetings! > http://greetings. > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2002 Report Share Posted February 8, 2002 Dear All I'll add another piece to the puzzle. I take the 12th house for PhDs. They need to retreat from the world much as one would go to the ashram and devote themselves to a particular study. They must have faith that they will be able to find a position and need to devote themselves to many hours working alone or with a guru. If the 9th house is poor, they struggle because they have no help. An Adhi Pati dharma karma yoga really helps. ps I live with one who has Exalted SAturn in the 4th Cancer lagna and Jupiter with Ketu in the 12th. The notion of looking at the 4th house for education is very far off the mark in my experience. I've had the fortune to read for a number of folks with advanced degrees and many have a strong Rahu union with Moon or Mars or some intense combination to make it through all of the hoops one must jump through. cynthia - Nicholas gjlist Thursday, February 07, 2002 3:33 AM Re: [GJ] Significators Dear Lucia I take 5th for education but it is a long running argument .Many jyotishis take the 4th house .Advanced studies are seen from the 9th house because these require a guru or guru type figure i.e someone very advanced in the discipline.The third house has to do with communication which is how we view the devolopment of children in their early years .So I would correlate this house with early childhood development . 6th for servants . I would take 9th house for judges as he sits in the court as a Guru like figure who all parties have to defer to . This last one is a guess . Hope this helps Nicholas - Lucia Do Vale gjlist Thursday, February 07, 2002 7:33 PM [GJ] Significators Dear Sirs, Tahnk you! Someone sent to my mail the 6th house for servants, but I am still missing the meaning for a Judge in the Rasi chart (would that be the 10th or 9th?), and also if the 3rd or 5th for long term education, considering that the 9th is taken for superior studies. Thank you. Your faithfully, Mrs Lucia do ValeOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2002 Report Share Posted February 8, 2002 Dear Cynthia, If I might interject here :-) You are absolutely right to assume that 12th is strongly connected with university/college (campus) life. Confinement in any institution is seen primarily from this house...hospitals, army barracks, college campus, boarding school, monastery, ashram, cave etc., are all under the jurisdiction of this house. However one may spend years confined to campus life and still not obtain a degree. On the other hand one may well obtain a PhD without ever being confined to a campus. Albert Einstein is a prime example... Whilst employed at the Swiss Patent Office he completed many publications in theoretical physics. He submitted one of these papers to the university of Zurich to obtain a degree in 1905. In 1908 he sent another paper to the university of Bern and became a lecturer there. >From Aug. 1895 to Apr. 1908 he was in the bhukti of Jupiter in the mahadasa of Venus. Venus moolatrikona is 5th house of the mind (intelligence). Venus is in the constellation of 1st/4th lord Mercury and along with Mercury forms a "shubha kartari yoga" around 9th lord Saturn...who is lord of 9th house of higher education, and dispositor of bhukti lord Jupiter... To my mind, it's not difficult to see the story unfold. Lagnesh Mercury has the 4th as it's moolatrikona sign...obtainment of degree! It is in the constellation of 9th lord Saturn; is involved in kartari yoga with dasa lord Venus who's moolatrikona sign is the 5th house of intelligence...and most significant, is disposited by 10th lord Jupiter in 9th house of higher learning. His career, his occupation revolved around this! In 1914 he was appointed professor at the Kaiser Wilhelm Gesellschaft in Berlin, the highest post that a theoretical physicist could hold in Central Europe. VE/ME/SA I'm presuming as he would likely have taken up his post at the beginning of the year (first semester?). It is documented that, although (from an early age) he excelled in mathematics, he did not do well in his early schooling. Note Ketu in 2nd house of (primary) education whilst 2nd lord is fallen in 6th house of struggles. It is said that (without finishing his secondary education) he failed an entrance exam for a Swiss Institute of Technology. I have been taught, and I have found it to be so in all the charts I've done so far, that the 2nd shows formal (primary/secondary) education; the 4th shows educational degree; the 5th shows intelligence; the 9th shows higher education and the 12th shows campus/boarding school etc. Apologies for the long post :-) Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidya~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ gjlist, "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak@w...> wrote:Dear AllI'll add another piece to the puzzle. I take the 12th house for PhDs. They need to retreat from the world much as one would go to the ashram and devote themselves to a particular study. They must have faith that they will be able to find a position and need to devote themselves to many hours working alone or with a guru. If the 9th house is poor, they struggle because they have no help. An Adhi Pati dharma karma yoga really helps.ps I live with one who has Exalted SAturn in the 4th Cancer lagna and Jupiter with Ketu in the 12th.The notion of looking at the 4th house for education is very far off the mark in my experience. I've had the fortune to read for a number of folks with advanced degrees and many have a strong Rahu union with Moon or Mars or some intense combination to make it through all of the hoops one must jump through.cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2002 Report Share Posted February 8, 2002 Dear Cynthia Wow That's the first time I've heard that . I guess the 12th house rules institutions which universities are and a candidate for PHD lives a remote life from the world like a monk,prisoner or hospitalised person . To be awared a PHd requires some sort of originality so I guess Rahu is a natural candidate since he does not sit in line with the asuras to drink the nectar bit slips in amongst the devas .He is certainly unconventional ..Unfortunately I don't have enough PHd charts to test this on .Generally I think the 9th house has to do with higher education since one requires someone quite deep in the subject matter ( a Guru like figure) to make headway . The second house rules family which is probably the best correlating factor in terms of lower level of educations.The third house rules communication so it is essential in the early childhood development years . The 4th house is associated with the mind and mental discipline is important for educational success unless one is hugely talented given by the 5th house which is assocaited with general intelligence . Of course the 1st rules the childhood years generally and one's direction and focus in life . So 1,2,3,4,5,9 and 12 there is few houses that could be considered 8 rules research So that just leaves 6,7 10 and 11 out of the picture Anyone for 6 7 10 or 11 ? Nicholas - cynthia novak gjlist Saturday, February 09, 2002 11:56 AM Re: [GJ] Significators Dear All I'll add another piece to the puzzle. I take the 12th house for PhDs. They need to retreat from the world much as one would go to the ashram and devote themselves to a particular study. They must have faith that they will be able to find a position and need to devote themselves to many hours working alone or with a guru. If the 9th house is poor, they struggle because they have no help. An Adhi Pati dharma karma yoga really helps. ps I live with one who has Exalted SAturn in the 4th Cancer lagna and Jupiter with Ketu in the 12th. The notion of looking at the 4th house for education is very far off the mark in my experience. I've had the fortune to read for a number of folks with advanced degrees and many have a strong Rahu union with Moon or Mars or some intense combination to make it through all of the hoops one must jump through. cynthia - Nicholas gjlist Thursday, February 07, 2002 3:33 AM Re: [GJ] Significators Dear Lucia I take 5th for education but it is a long running argument .Many jyotishis take the 4th house .Advanced studies are seen from the 9th house because these require a guru or guru type figure i.e someone very advanced in the discipline.The third house has to do with communication which is how we view the devolopment of children in their early years .So I would correlate this house with early childhood development . 6th for servants . I would take 9th house for judges as he sits in the court as a Guru like figure who all parties have to defer to . This last one is a guess . Hope this helps Nicholas - Lucia Do Vale gjlist Thursday, February 07, 2002 7:33 PM [GJ] Significators Dear Sirs, Tahnk you! Someone sent to my mail the 6th house for servants, but I am still missing the meaning for a Judge in the Rasi chart (would that be the 10th or 9th?), and also if the 3rd or 5th for long term education, considering that the 9th is taken for superior studies. Thank you. Your faithfully, Mrs Lucia do ValeOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 om gurave namah------------------------Dear Lucia, depends on what chart you are talking about. Unless the chart is defined, how are you attempting to define the placement of the various constituent people. is it a Muhurta, prasna or janma Kundali of an employee in the court or is it the chart of a lawyer or a litigant? The Judge has a different meaning for each of these. Fourth is the house of education as per standard canons in Vedic astrology. Others follow fifth as this is the house of knowledge. there are many people with education but with little knowledge and vice versa too. Ninth has to do with higher learning, basically college and post graduate studies. The third has nothing to do with education but with writing skills or such aids that help in the expression of knowledge being the 11th from 5th house.With best wishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com - Lucia Do Vale gjlist Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:29 PM [GJ] Significators Dear Nicholas, Thank you! Thanks for your help. Yes, there seems to be some different opinions on judging which house suits better a determined affair. I agree with you about the 9th for the judge, but I read somewhere that the 10th could also be taken into account, reason why I asked for help, because in case where 9th and 10th having different dispositors, placed in different houses, etc, causes some difficulties in interpreting. I thank you so much for your attention, Best wishes, Lucia.Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 Dear Sanjay Rath, Thanks for your attention. You asked me: “it is the chart of a lawyer or a litigant?” Both. It is a lawyer who is asking( in a prasna) if the client (litigant) is going to have a favourable verdict from the judge. In case of looking at the rasi chart, is there a different interpretation for judges, yes"> for instance when one wants to know what is the kind of relation (benefits), one can have from judges during the life time? Thank you for the answer. It is always good for a novice to count on patient and generous people like you that have always some time to spend with beginners. Yours faithfully, Lucia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 Hi, I am one of the quiet members of the group but I wanted to respond the the topic of Ph.D's and the 12th house since I have a Ph.D I am a psychologist and have also done a fair amount of research as well as clinical work. I have Capricorn Rising with Saturn in the 12th. What I have done with my degree is work in hospitals and prisons. I also have Mars/Venus in Cap, Sun in Pisces, Me/Ke in Aries ( had a long of education delays) Moon in Taurus and Jupiter/Rahu in the 10th in Libra. Astrologers who read my chart and did not know I had a Ph,.D said I should get one . Dear Cynthia Wow That's the first time I've heard that . I guess the 12th house rules institutions which universities are and a candidate for PHD lives a remote life from the world like a monk,prisoner or hospitalised person . To be awared a PHd requires some sort of originality so I guess Rahu is a natural candidate since he does not sit in line with the asuras to drink the nectar bit slips in amongst the devas .He is certainly unconventional ..Unfortunately I don't have enough PHd charts to test this on .Generally I think the 9th house has to do with higher education since one requires someone quite deep in the subject matter ( a Guru like figure) to make headway . The second house rules family which is probably the best correlating factor in terms of lower level of educations.The third house rules communication so it is essential in the early childhood development years . The 4th house is associated with the mind and mental discipline is important for educational success unless one is hugely talented given by the 5th house which is assocaited with general intelligence . Of course the 1st rules the childhood years generally and one's direction and focus in life . So 1,2,3,4,5,9 and 12 there is few houses that could be considered 8 rules research So that just leaves 6,7 10 and 11 out of the picture Anyone for 6 7 10 or 11 ? Nicholas -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 Dear Wendy I do not doubt the 9th as significator in higher education. In fact I started as a Western astrologer and had to forget it for my ACVA exam, but I never gave it up in practice <grins> You will note that in the case of Einstein, the lord of the 12th is Venus who is exalted in the 10th with the lord of the 9th and here again there is a powerful Rahu link to Mars. My sweetie who is by no means Einstein, though they share what Vedic astrology calls a "debilitated" Mercury, said that it takes a certain kind of mental illness to have this type of mind that will forego other comforts to focus on one thing so passionately. I find that is the Rahu link. I guess I didn't clarify myself, but I simply wanted to disavow the Vedic notion that the 4th house is THE house of higher education as I was taught and share what I have seen in practice again and again. I don't know if other astrologers have these folks in their files. I find that a strong 9th house is essential to the desire for learning and gathering information of knowledge sake. The 4th house seems to be the place of more mundane things like taking care of the home and the bills. It is certainly true that you do not need to be confined in academia in order to have a PhD, but it is also true that astrology needs to stretch outside of its limiting templates in order to make room for the 9th and 12th houses. I find that the 12th house often gets a really bum rap or is very misunderstood by teachers and so by students. I had on well known Vedic astrologer say that a debilitated Mercury is unable to do calculations and in so saying immediately Einstein's chart comes to mind as does my sweeties. I suspect that the teacher simply had not looked at the charts of these people and so made assumptions based upon theory rather than practice. To add to this, another similar teacher said that anyone with Saturn in the 10th or lord of the 10th would do manual labor. But I said they are people who are willing to work hard and I see this in the charts of executives and professors and others who labor long and hard to accomplish something that they feel is important or significant. He would not talk to me about it saying that I needed more experience. I guess that sensitized me to trusting the theory less than the practice <big grins> Thank you for the Einstein post and the dialogue. The most amazing thing about astrology is the onion continues to unwrap as our experiences continue to teach us. cynthia ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 Dear Nicholas I totally seee what you are saying and with a big grin on my face I will add that the whole chart will reveal how a person learns, who helped him or stood in his way and how important it is to him, how strong his mind, his ability to remember and whether creature comforts or academic recognition is more important. By Jove, I think it's the whole chart! cynthia - Nicholas gjlist Saturday, February 09, 2002 1:54 AM Re: [GJ] Significators Dear Cynthia Wow That's the first time I've heard that . I guess the 12th house rules institutions which universities are and a candidate for PHD lives a remote life from the world like a monk,prisoner or hospitalised person . To be awared a PHd requires some sort of originality so I guess Rahu is a natural candidate since he does not sit in line with the asuras to drink the nectar bit slips in amongst the devas .He is certainly unconventional ..Unfortunately I don't have enough PHd charts to test this on .Generally I think the 9th house has to do with higher education since one requires someone quite deep in the subject matter ( a Guru like figure) to make headway . The second house rules family which is probably the best correlating factor in terms of lower level of educations.The third house rules communication so it is essential in the early childhood development years . The 4th house is associated with the mind and mental discipline is important for educational success unless one is hugely talented given by the 5th house which is assocaited with general intelligence . Of course the 1st rules the childhood years generally and one's direction and focus in life . So 1,2,3,4,5,9 and 12 there is few houses that could be considered 8 rules research So that just leaves 6,7 10 and 11 out of the picture Anyone for 6 7 10 or 11 ? Nicholas - cynthia novak gjlist Saturday, February 09, 2002 11:56 AM Re: [GJ] Significators Dear All I'll add another piece to the puzzle. I take the 12th house for PhDs. They need to retreat from the world much as one would go to the ashram and devote themselves to a particular study. They must have faith that they will be able to find a position and need to devote themselves to many hours working alone or with a guru. If the 9th house is poor, they struggle because they have no help. An Adhi Pati dharma karma yoga really helps. ps I live with one who has Exalted SAturn in the 4th Cancer lagna and Jupiter with Ketu in the 12th. The notion of looking at the 4th house for education is very far off the mark in my experience. I've had the fortune to read for a number of folks with advanced degrees and many have a strong Rahu union with Moon or Mars or some intense combination to make it through all of the hoops one must jump through. cynthia - Nicholas gjlist Thursday, February 07, 2002 3:33 AM Re: [GJ] Significators Dear Lucia I take 5th for education but it is a long running argument .Many jyotishis take the 4th house .Advanced studies are seen from the 9th house because these require a guru or guru type figure i.e someone very advanced in the discipline.The third house has to do with communication which is how we view the devolopment of children in their early years .So I would correlate this house with early childhood development . 6th for servants . I would take 9th house for judges as he sits in the court as a Guru like figure who all parties have to defer to . This last one is a guess . Hope this helps Nicholas - Lucia Do Vale gjlist Thursday, February 07, 2002 7:33 PM [GJ] Significators Dear Sirs, Tahnk you! Someone sent to my mail the 6th house for servants, but I am still missing the meaning for a Judge in the Rasi chart (would that be the 10th or 9th?), and also if the 3rd or 5th for long term education, considering that the 9th is taken for superior studies. Thank you. Your faithfully, Mrs Lucia do ValeOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 Dear Pamela, It is always better to post your birth data , while discussing your chart so that others may learn that what are you talking, some may need more precise calculations to see deep inside. Regards, Inder Jit Sahni - Pamela Paradowski gjlist Saturday, February 09, 2002 6:40 PM Re: [GJ] Significators Hi, I am one of the quiet members of the group but I wanted to respond the the topic of Ph.D's and the 12th house since I have a Ph.D I am a psychologist and have also done a fair amount of research as well as clinical work. I have Capricorn Rising with Saturn in the 12th. What I have done with my degree is work in hospitals and prisons. I also have Mars/Venus in Cap, Sun in Pisces, Me/Ke in Aries ( had a long of education delays) Moon in Taurus and Jupiter/Rahu in the 10th in Libra. Astrologers who read my chart and did not know I had a Ph,.D said I should get one . Dear CynthiaWow That's the first time I've heard that .I guess the 12th house rules institutions which universities are and a candidate for PHD lives a remote life from the world like a monk,prisoner or hospitalised person . To be awared a PHd requires some sort of originality so I guess Rahu is a natural candidate since he does not sit in line with the asuras to drink the nectar bit slips in amongst the devas .He is certainly unconventional .Unfortunately I don't have enough PHd charts to test this on .Generally I think the 9th house has to do with higher education since one requires someone quite deep in the subject matter ( a Guru like figure) to make headway .The second house rules family which is probably the best correlating factor in terms of lower level of educations.The third house rules communication so it is essential in the early childhood development years . The 4th house is associated with the mind and mental discipline is important for educational success unless one is hugely talented given by the 5th house which is assocaited with general intelligence ..Of course the 1st rules the childhood years generally and one's direction and focus in life .So 1,2,3,4,5,9 and 12 there is few houses that could be considered8 rules researchSo that just leaves 6,7 10 and 11 out of the pictureAnyone for 6 7 10 or 11 ?Nicholas-- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 Pamela, Thanks for posting your chart. I think the 12th house influence in your chart may have more to do with your area of work and interest than your level of educational attainment. 9L Mercury is in a kendra house and the 4th to boot, while its dispositor (and 4L of education) Mars is exalted in the first house (the best house) with natural benefic and yogakarka Venus. Moreover, Mercury is aspected by Jupiter. This strong Mercury and 9H seems like a more likely candidate than the 12th house. The 5H is also doing well for intelligence since 5L is with exalted Mars, the planet of fast thinking and logic and placed in the 1st house. Chris At 08:10 AM 2/9/02 -0500, Pamela Paradowski wrote: > Astrologers who read my chart and did not know I had a Ph,.D said >I should get one . > > >>Dear Cynthia >> Wow That's the first time I've heard that . >> I guess the 12th house rules institutions which universities are and a >>candidate for PHD lives a remote life from the world like a monk,prisoner >>or hospitalised person . To be awared a PHd requires some sort of >>originality so I guess Rahu is a natural candidate since he does not sit >>in line with the asuras to drink the nectar bit slips in amongst the >>devas .He is certainly unconventional .Unfortunately I don't have enough >>PHd charts to test this on .Generally I think the 9th house has to do >>with higher education since one requires someone quite deep in the >>subject matter ( a Guru like figure) to make headway . >> >> The second house rules family which is probably the best correlating >>factor in terms of lower level of educations.The third house rules >>communication so it is essential in the early childhood development years >>. The 4th house is associated with the mind and mental discipline is >>important for educational success unless one is hugely talented given by >>the 5th house which is assocaited with general intelligence . >> Of course the 1st rules the childhood years generally and one's >>direction and focus in life . >> So 1,2,3,4,5,9 and 12 there is few houses that could be considered >> 8 rules research >> So that just leaves 6,7 10 and 11 out of the picture >> Anyone for 6 7 10 or 11 ? >> Nicholas >> > > -- > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 Dear Cynthia Many a true word is said in jest : - ) Nicholas - cynthia novak gjlist Sunday, February 10, 2002 3:00 AM Re: [GJ] Significators Dear Nicholas I totally seee what you are saying and with a big grin on my face I will add that the whole chart will reveal how a person learns, who helped him or stood in his way and how important it is to him, how strong his mind, his ability to remember and whether creature comforts or academic recognition is more important. By Jove, I think it's the whole chart! cynthia - Nicholas gjlist Saturday, February 09, 2002 1:54 AM Re: [GJ] Significators Dear Cynthia Wow That's the first time I've heard that . I guess the 12th house rules institutions which universities are and a candidate for PHD lives a remote life from the world like a monk,prisoner or hospitalised person . To be awared a PHd requires some sort of originality so I guess Rahu is a natural candidate since he does not sit in line with the asuras to drink the nectar bit slips in amongst the devas .He is certainly unconventional ..Unfortunately I don't have enough PHd charts to test this on .Generally I think the 9th house has to do with higher education since one requires someone quite deep in the subject matter ( a Guru like figure) to make headway . The second house rules family which is probably the best correlating factor in terms of lower level of educations.The third house rules communication so it is essential in the early childhood development years . The 4th house is associated with the mind and mental discipline is important for educational success unless one is hugely talented given by the 5th house which is assocaited with general intelligence . Of course the 1st rules the childhood years generally and one's direction and focus in life . So 1,2,3,4,5,9 and 12 there is few houses that could be considered 8 rules research So that just leaves 6,7 10 and 11 out of the picture Anyone for 6 7 10 or 11 ? Nicholas - cynthia novak gjlist Saturday, February 09, 2002 11:56 AM Re: [GJ] Significators Dear All I'll add another piece to the puzzle. I take the 12th house for PhDs. They need to retreat from the world much as one would go to the ashram and devote themselves to a particular study. They must have faith that they will be able to find a position and need to devote themselves to many hours working alone or with a guru. If the 9th house is poor, they struggle because they have no help. An Adhi Pati dharma karma yoga really helps. ps I live with one who has Exalted SAturn in the 4th Cancer lagna and Jupiter with Ketu in the 12th. The notion of looking at the 4th house for education is very far off the mark in my experience. I've had the fortune to read for a number of folks with advanced degrees and many have a strong Rahu union with Moon or Mars or some intense combination to make it through all of the hoops one must jump through. cynthia - Nicholas gjlist Thursday, February 07, 2002 3:33 AM Re: [GJ] Significators Dear Lucia I take 5th for education but it is a long running argument .Many jyotishis take the 4th house .Advanced studies are seen from the 9th house because these require a guru or guru type figure i.e someone very advanced in the discipline.The third house has to do with communication which is how we view the devolopment of children in their early years .So I would correlate this house with early childhood development . 6th for servants . I would take 9th house for judges as he sits in the court as a Guru like figure who all parties have to defer to . This last one is a guess . Hope this helps Nicholas - Lucia Do Vale gjlist Thursday, February 07, 2002 7:33 PM [GJ] Significators Dear Sirs, Tahnk you! Someone sent to my mail the 6th house for servants, but I am still missing the meaning for a Judge in the Rasi chart (would that be the 10th or 9th?), and also if the 3rd or 5th for long term education, considering that the 9th is taken for superior studies. Thank you. Your faithfully, Mrs Lucia do ValeOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 Dear Cynthia, Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge and the initiative to do the experiment. Regarding your observation that "...number of folks with advanced degrees and many have a strong Rahu union with Moon or Mars or some intense combination to make it through all of the hoops one must jump through." my chart, with Mars/Rahu trine, conj. in 5th in Navasma, confirms your experience. Just wanted to contribute to the experiment(s)- (I love experiments!) Besides, I did/do have tr. Ketu conjuct my Venus in 6th, then will have it conjunct my Moon in Scorpio. Currently running Mo/Ve/Ve. Not sure yet what the result will be, but conj. did bring annoyances re: job related issue. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 Dear Cynthia Life is meant to be an educational process for the soul Nicholas .. By Jove, I think it's the whole chart! cynthia ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 Dear Pamela Thanks for sharing that Another case that bears out Cynthia's point Nicholas - Pamela Paradowski gjlist Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:10 AM Re: [GJ] Significators Hi, I am one of the quiet members of the group but I wanted to respond the the topic of Ph.D's and the 12th house since I have a Ph.D I am a psychologist and have also done a fair amount of research as well as clinical work. I have Capricorn Rising with Saturn in the 12th. What I have done with my degree is work in hospitals and prisons. I also have Mars/Venus in Cap, Sun in Pisces, Me/Ke in Aries ( had a long of education delays) Moon in Taurus and Jupiter/Rahu in the 10th in Libra. Astrologers who read my chart and did not know I had a Ph,.D said I should get one . Dear CynthiaWow That's the first time I've heard that .I guess the 12th house rules institutions which universities are and a candidate for PHD lives a remote life from the world like a monk,prisoner or hospitalised person . To be awared a PHd requires some sort of originality so I guess Rahu is a natural candidate since he does not sit in line with the asuras to drink the nectar bit slips in amongst the devas .He is certainly unconventional .Unfortunately I don't have enough PHd charts to test this on .Generally I think the 9th house has to do with higher education since one requires someone quite deep in the subject matter ( a Guru like figure) to make headway .The second house rules family which is probably the best correlating factor in terms of lower level of educations.The third house rules communication so it is essential in the early childhood development years . The 4th house is associated with the mind and mental discipline is important for educational success unless one is hugely talented given by the 5th house which is assocaited with general intelligence ..Of course the 1st rules the childhood years generally and one's direction and focus in life .So 1,2,3,4,5,9 and 12 there is few houses that could be considered8 rules researchSo that just leaves 6,7 10 and 11 out of the pictureAnyone for 6 7 10 or 11 ?Nicholas-- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 Dear Pamela Thank you for posting, I didn't get the initial post but saw it with Nicholas' response. That 12th house is very revealing for you. Tell me, do you find it easier or more difficult to work with victims or perpetrators? A friend with a powerful 12th house worked for years in Adult probation then took a position as victim services coordinator for a District Attorney. This job about wiped her out! How do you find the difference as you apparently walk both worlds cynthia - Nicholas gjlist Saturday, February 09, 2002 4:02 PM Re: [GJ] Significators Dear Pamela Thanks for sharing that Another case that bears out Cynthia's point Nicholas - Pamela Paradowski gjlist Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:10 AM Re: [GJ] Significators Hi, I am one of the quiet members of the group but I wanted to respond the the topic of Ph.D's and the 12th house since I have a Ph.D I am a psychologist and have also done a fair amount of research as well as clinical work. I have Capricorn Rising with Saturn in the 12th. What I have done with my degree is work in hospitals and prisons. I also have Mars/Venus in Cap, Sun in Pisces, Me/Ke in Aries ( had a long of education delays) Moon in Taurus and Jupiter/Rahu in the 10th in Libra. Astrologers who read my chart and did not know I had a Ph,.D said I should get one . Dear CynthiaWow That's the first time I've heard that .I guess the 12th house rules institutions which universities are and a candidate for PHD lives a remote life from the world like a monk,prisoner or hospitalised person . To be awared a PHd requires some sort of originality so I guess Rahu is a natural candidate since he does not sit in line with the asuras to drink the nectar bit slips in amongst the devas .He is certainly unconventional .Unfortunately I don't have enough PHd charts to test this on .Generally I think the 9th house has to do with higher education since one requires someone quite deep in the subject matter ( a Guru like figure) to make headway .The second house rules family which is probably the best correlating factor in terms of lower level of educations.The third house rules communication so it is essential in the early childhood development years . The 4th house is associated with the mind and mental discipline is important for educational success unless one is hugely talented given by the 5th house which is assocaited with general intelligence ..Of course the 1st rules the childhood years generally and one's direction and focus in life .So 1,2,3,4,5,9 and 12 there is few houses that could be considered8 rules researchSo that just leaves 6,7 10 and 11 out of the pictureAnyone for 6 7 10 or 11 ?Nicholas-- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2002 Report Share Posted February 10, 2002 Cynthia Wrote. My sweetie who is by no means Einstein, though they share what Vedic astrology calls a "debilitated" Mercury, said that it takes a certain kind of mental illness to have this type of mind that will forego other comforts to focus on one thing so passionately. I find that is the Rahu link. Dear Cynthia, You are absolutely correct! I've emphasised this very thing many, many times over the years, but it seems to fall on deaf ears. Rahu is indeed a very strong compelling force that "seizes" hold of a native in such a way that he will forge ahead towards his goal with passionate single mindedness. I know I'm repeating myself here but two examples that come to mind are Princess Diana and Mahatma Gandhi... Diana had lagnesh Mars conjunct Rahu in 10th, and we all know how determinedly she held on to her position/status after her divorce. She had the whole royal family trying to make her a non-entity. I remember a TV interview where she said; They all wish I'd just disappear, but I won't you see (or words to that effect)...the "they" being the formidable powers of the Palace. That kind of passionate commitment (compulsion) in the face of strong adversity can only come from Rahu. Gandhi had 10th lord Moon conjunct Rahu in 10th. Moon, of course, governs the masses (public)... Rahu compelled him towards his great destiny as the leader of his people. I doubt if any politician could ever have that same kind of magnetism... Diana also had this same magnetism that drew the paparazzi to her like bees around honey. And here we have (perhaps) a strong example of destiny in action...neither of these special people, or others like them, could have changed the destiny they were born to :-) "We're all free to choose what we want, but we're not free to want what we want" (A quote, I know not from where) Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidya~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2002 Report Share Posted February 10, 2002 Dear Wendy Thank you! There is indeed a difference between the choices we make daily and the ultimate destiny that is the soul's contract. Here is a wild idea. I think that Rahu pulls us and Ketu makes certain we don't get too far away from the contract, so he grabs us back. The older we get, usually the more subtle the see-sawing motion. Run Rahu when you are young and what a pendulum you are on. Did you notice that her MArs Rahu are in Magha the throne?? Just couldn't pass it up cynthia - Wendy Vasicek gjlist Sunday, February 10, 2002 11:27 AM Re: [GJ] Significators Cynthia Wrote. My sweetie who is by no means Einstein, though they share what Vedic astrology calls a "debilitated" Mercury, said that it takes a certain kind of mental illness to have this type of mind that will forego other comforts to focus on one thing so passionately. I find that is the Rahu link. Dear Cynthia, You are absolutely correct! I've emphasised this very thing many, many times over the years, but it seems to fall on deaf ears. Rahu is indeed a very strong compelling force that "seizes" hold of a native in such a way that he will forge ahead towards his goal with passionate single mindedness. I know I'm repeating myself here but two examples that come to mind are Princess Diana and Mahatma Gandhi... Diana had lagnesh Mars conjunct Rahu in 10th, and we all know how determinedly she held on to her position/status after her divorce. She had the whole royal family trying to make her a non-entity. I remember a TV interview where she said; They all wish I'd just disappear, but I won't you see (or words to that effect)...the "they" being the formidable powers of the Palace. That kind of passionate commitment (compulsion) in the face of strong adversity can only come from Rahu. Gandhi had 10th lord Moon conjunct Rahu in 10th. Moon, of course, governs the masses (public)... Rahu compelled him towards his great destiny as the leader of his people. I doubt if any politician could ever have that same kind of magnetism... Diana also had this same magnetism that drew the paparazzi to her like bees around honey. And here we have (perhaps) a strong example of destiny in action...neither of these special people, or others like them, could have changed the destiny they were born to :-) "We're all free to choose what we want, but we're not free to want what we want" (A quote, I know not from where) Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidya~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 Cynthia Wrote: Did you notice that her MArs Rahu are in Magha the throne?? Dear Cynthia, No! I hadn't noticed that :-0 Perhaps when you and Nicholas are done with all the nakshatras one of you will kindly send me (all) in a file that I can print out and study at my leisure. Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidya~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 Dear Wendy I am saving the best texts in a file which I'll clean up at the end of the series and resend to the list . Nicholas - Wendy Vasicek gjlist Monday, February 11, 2002 7:33 PM Re: [GJ] Significators Cynthia Wrote: Did you notice that her MArs Rahu are in Magha the throne?? Dear Cynthia, No! I hadn't noticed that :-0 Perhaps when you and Nicholas are done with all the nakshatras one of you will kindly send me (all) in a file that I can print out and study at my leisure. Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidya~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of Groups is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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