Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 I am with you on this .I have a hit on natal moon in Gemini. My friend has a hit on Sun(3L),Mercury(Lagna L),&Moon(2L) On Lagna--7th H axis.He has been in deep trouble,wandering&running from persecution.Let's see if this nodal transit brings some relief.His 8th/9th L vimsottari dasa started in april 2001,which promises to be better than the previous one of 4th/7th L jupiter---Both Jupiter& saturn in 12th H. But so far no relief.So let's keep our fingers crossed for the nodal shift. Regards, Fayyaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 Dear Nicholas Chris et al It is easier to use the Mean Node, and I did for a long time. Still, when it comes to transits you can pretty much bet on the true node to time a nodal transit accurately. Anyone who has recently had either the dragon's head or tail dance directly upon a planet will really want to know when it will be over. <grins> We could do a collective experiment the mean node leaves Gemini Sag. axis earlier than the True Node this month. Is there anyone out there with a direct hit to a planet that will watch to see if there is a significant shift on the date or both? We could all get a sense of when the house influence changes for ourselves and report back. Are y'all game? cynthia - Nicholas <jyotish108 <gjlist> Thursday, February 07, 2002 5:20 PM Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu > Dear Chris > Not just believe but predict on that basis .They see where the Rahu Ketu > axis is going stationary and identfy the trouble .Sateesh K Batas is one > pandit/guru who does like that . > Nicholas > - > "Chris Hanlon" <chrys333 > <gjlist> > Friday, February 08, 2002 10:13 AM > Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu > > > > Yes, I understand that some people really believe in True Nodes, and > Andrew > > told me that the Mean node is always the best. > > Yes, and the nodes are in different houses if I go from one to another. > > Thanks, > > Chris Hanlon > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2002 Report Share Posted February 8, 2002 Dear Jyotishis, By definition, the nodes should always be retrograde, as per Parasara, and thus the definition itself disqualifies the use of True nodes. There is no doubt, however, that events can be equated with the transiting stationary, or forward motions of Rahu, as has been my experience also. Still, the use of rashi dasas absolutely requires the Mean nodal positions. You will see, for example, when calculating the Narayana dasa of various varga charts, that the position of Ketu in the wrong sign, will alter the sequence of the dasa. When that happens, obviously, the entire dasa is off. In varga charts, the nodes will frequently change signs in accordance with whether True or Mean are used. Thus, my recommendation is this: experiment with True and Mean nodes with transits: but *always* use the Mean nodes with Rashi dasas, or in any dasa systems in which the position of Ketu in a sign, alters the sequence of the dasa. Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk and rkoch rkoch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2002 Report Share Posted February 8, 2002 Dear Cynthia and Fayyaz, I, too, have a hit on my natal moon at 20 Gemini 58. I'd be happy to participate in the experiment. Be Well, Scott - Fktareen (AT) aol (DOT) com gjlist Cc: Cyntha Novak Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:13 PM Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu experiment Dear Cyntha, I am with you on this .I have a hit on natal moon in Gemini. My friend has a hit on Sun(3L),Mercury(Lagna L),&Moon(2L) On Lagna--7th H axis.He has been in deep trouble,wandering&running from persecution.Let's see if this nodal transit brings some relief.His 8th/9th L vimsottari dasa started in april 2001,which promises to be better than the previous one of 4th/7th L jupiter---Both Jupiter& saturn in 12th H. But so far no relief.So let's keep our fingers crossed for the nodal shift. Regards, Fayyaz Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2002 Report Share Posted February 8, 2002 Dear Cynthia and List, See attached chart - I lost my job at British Airways on October 08th 2001, when TR Ketu moved within *exactly* 50% of the 5 Degree Orb (S.A. here) of Natal Venus - Venus being 2nd Lord of Wealth/Status, and current Bhukti Lord. Interestingly, TR Venus was also in the 12th House of Losses at the time... Using True Nodes, Stationary Ketu has been afflicting my Natal Sun (12th Lord) and Natal Venus (2nd Lord) for a good while - it is now shifting off of Natal Venus, so I will monitor when it moves out of the 50% orb (2.5 degrees) of Venus. As it will be/is still afflicting Natal Sun even then, we have a double test-case here! Today, TR Ketu is station-afflicting Natal Sun by 98%, and Natal Venus by 67%. It will reduce to 50% of Natal Venus on February 14th (no joke). Sateesh. ======== - "Scott A. Fallin" <saf <gjlist> 08 February 2002 21:02 Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu experiment Sateesh Batas Apr 15,1973 Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1 Hounslow, England Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29 Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:29 365.25 Day Year Current Period: Ra/Ve/Ma As 27:54 Vi Chitra Ma Su 02:09 Ar Aswini Ke Mo 11:07 Vi Hasta Mo Ma 20:38 Cp Shravana Mo Me 05:08 Pi U.Bhadra Sa Ju 15:35 Cp Shravana Mo Ve 03:42 Ar Aswini Ke Sa 23:24 Ta Mrigsira Ma Ra 17:27 Sg P.Shadya Ve Ke 17:27 Ge Ardra Ra Vimshottari Dashas ================== Mo Apr-15-1973 Ma Jun-14-1982 Ra Jun-14-1989 Ju Jun-15-2007 Sa Jun-15-2023 Me Jun-14-2042 Ke Jun-15-2059 Ve Jun-14-2066 Su Jun-14-2086 Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 7 * * 5 * * * * * MO 11:07 * * * * 8 * AS 27:54 * 4 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 6 * * * ** * * ** * RA 17:27 9 * 3 KE 17:27 * ** * * ** * * * 12 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *JU 15:35 * * * * * *MA 20:38 10* ME 05:08 * 2 SA 23:24* * * * * * * * * 11 * SU 02:09* * * * * * VE 03:42 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** ******************************************************* Navamsa Chart ******************************************************* ** * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ME * * * * 7 * * SA * * * * * AS * * * * 8 * RA * 4 MA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 6 * * * ** * * ** * 9 * 3 * ** * * ** * * * 12 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JU * * 10* KE * 2 VE * * * * * * * * * 11 * * SU * * * * * * MO * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** ******************************************************* System's Approach Analysis ========================== Sun: Bad Placement, in infancy 56%, weak dispositor, Conjunct functional benefic(s): Ve 69%, Moon: Good Placement, weak dispositor, Bright, Aspected by functional benefic(s): Ju 10%, Mars: Good Placement, Debilated in Navamsa, Mercury: Good Placement, Debilated in Rashi, Jupiter: Good Placement, Debilated in Rashi, Venus: Bad Placement, Combust, in infancy 25%, weak dispositor, Conjunct functional malefic(s): Su 69%, Saturn: Good Placement, Afflicts house 9 MEP 10% Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis ======================== Mo/Ma Apr 15,1973 Mo/Ra Nov 13,1973 Mo/Ju May 15,1975 Mo/Sa Sep 13,1976 Mo/Me Apr 14,1978 Mo/Ke Sep 14,1979 Mo/Ve Apr 14,1980 Mo/Su Dec 14,1981 Ma/Ma Jun 14,1982 Ma/Ra Nov 11,1982 Ma/Ju Nov 29,1983 Ma/Sa Nov 4,1984 Ma/Me Dec 14,1985 Ma/Ke Dec 11,1986 Ma/Ve May 9,1987 Ma/Su Jul 8,1988 Ma/Mo Nov 13,1988 Ra/Ra Jun 14,1989 Ra/Ju Feb 25,1992 Ra/Sa Jul 21,1994 Ra/Me May 27,1997 Ra/Ke Dec 14,1999 Ra/Ve Jan 1,2001 Ra/Su Jan 2,2004 Ra/Mo Nov 25,2004 Ra/Ma May 27,2006 Ju/Ju Jun 15,2007 Ju/Sa Aug 2,2009 Ju/Me Feb 13,2012 Ju/Ke May 21,2014 Ju/Ve Apr 27,2015 Ju/Su Dec 26,2017 Ju/Mo Oct 14,2018 Ju/Ma Feb 13,2020 Ju/Ra Jan 19,2021 Sa/Sa Jun 15,2023 Sa/Me Jun 17,2026 Sa/Ke Feb 25,2029 Sa/Ve Apr 5,2030 Sa/Su Jun 5,2033 Sa/Mo May 18,2034 Sa/Ma Dec 17,2035 Sa/Ra Jan 25,2037 Sa/Ju Dec 2,2039 Me/Me Jun 14,2042 Me/Ke Nov 10,2044 Me/Ve Nov 7,2045 Me/Su Sep 7,2048 Me/Mo Jul 15,2049 Me/Ma Dec 14,2050 Me/Ra Dec 11,2051 Me/Ju Jun 30,2054 Me/Sa Oct 4,2056 Ke/Ke Jun 15,2059 Ke/Ve Nov 11,2059 Ke/Su Jan 10,2061 Ke/Mo May 18,2061 Ke/Ma Dec 17,2061 Ke/Ra May 15,2062 Ke/Ju Jun 2,2063 Ke/Sa May 8,2064 Ke/Me Jun 17,2065 Ve/Ve Jun 14,2066 Ve/Su Oct 14,2069 Ve/Mo Oct 14,2070 Ve/Ma Jun 14,2072 Ve/Ra Aug 14,2073 Ve/Ju Aug 14,2076 Ve/Sa Apr 15,2079 Ve/Me Jun 14,2082 Ve/Ke Apr 14,2085 Su/Su Jun 14,2086 Su/Mo Oct 2,2086 Su/Ma Apr 3,2087 Su/Ra Aug 8,2087 Su/Ju Jul 2,2088 Su/Sa Apr 20,2089 Su/Me Apr 2,2090 Su/Ke Feb 7,2091 Su/Ve Jun 15,2091 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2002 Report Share Posted February 8, 2002 Dear Robert , Thank you for your insights on the nodes. One way I have tried to test the nodes is to use transiting varga degrees of the true and mean nodes. Eg using the D8 for death. Take the D8 transit positions of true and mean nodes and then overlay these to the natal chart. There is usually quite a difference between D8 true and mean node. Eg J.F Kennedy--- At death the transiting D8 true nodes were at 29Sg20 . This is trine the natal Ju/Me/Ma conjunction and square ascendent. Fits very nicely. Not much happening with the transit D8 mean nodes. With other charts,most of the action happens with the transit D8 mean nodes. I think this method is useful for research but there may be unknown parameters that need to be considered. Regards Ron --- "Robert A. Koch" <rkoch wrote: > Dear Jyotishis, > > By definition, the nodes should always be > retrograde, as per Parasara, and > thus the definition itself disqualifies the use of > True nodes. There is no > doubt, however, that events can be equated with the > transiting stationary, > or forward motions of Rahu, as has been my > experience also. Still, the use > of rashi dasas absolutely requires the Mean nodal > positions. You will > see, for example, when calculating the Narayana dasa > of various varga > charts, that the position of Ketu in the wrong sign, > will alter the > sequence of the dasa. When that happens, obviously, > the entire dasa is > off. In varga charts, the nodes will frequently > change signs in > accordance with whether True or Mean are used. > Thus, my recommendation is > this: experiment with True and Mean nodes with > transits: but *always* use > the Mean nodes with Rashi dasas, or in any dasa > systems in which the > position of Ketu in a sign, alters the sequence of > the dasa. > > Best wishes, > Robert > > ===================================== > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA > Phone: 541-318-0248 > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > rk. rk and > rkoch rkoch > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > : > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Greetings! http://greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2002 Report Share Posted February 8, 2002 Dear Ron, That's fascinating work you are doing with transit nodes, in Vargas such as the Ashtamsa. This is but one of many uses of such divisions, apart from rectification, and the determination of subtleties that may not be so apparent when viewing transits over natal positions. I was researching times when persons got educational degrees, from the Narayana dasa of the D-24 (Siddhamsa) chart. In one case, the Mean nodes were rising in the ascendant, whereas the True nodes were in the 12th house. This, naturally, reversed the order, or sequence of the dasas, because Ketu's presence in the dasa sign alters the sequence. The dasas as per the ascending positions of Ketu, showed the events of three different educational degrees very precisely, as well as the time when the native received formal instructions from his guru. The (True) nodes in the 12th house, caused a different sequence of dasas, the analysis of which none of the events fit the dasas at all. This gave me a very strong sense, that the Mean nodes - at least so far as varga analysis and dasas are concerned - were accurate, whereas the true nodes were not. Transit nodes over natal positions may be convincing, as Sateesh has indicated. It would thus be imperative to always note, whether or not Rahu/Ketu are on the exact border of some varga division. If they are, you can view that varga closely to see which one is accurate (according to events/experiences related to that varga), and which one is not. Anyway, the work you did vis a vis Kennedy's assassination is very convincing, as well as very interesting. Thanks for that! Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk and rkoch rkoch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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