Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 Dear April me Many thanks for your appreciation to my response to your email. you that is a pity. Do you mean now that most likely that if I am detached and let destiny unfold, that because of my chart, this will probably not work out. And I should just live it out anyway because this is my Karma. me What I meant was that the planetary combinations indicate the karmic knot to be worked out in this life. It is in our freedom that sometimes we are giving the choice to avoid our duties or postpone them, but with that attitude we will not advance. We have to pay our debts sooner or later. When we go to school to learn how to read and write, it is up to us to learn at the speed that we want. The opportunity to learn is there but not for long. We have to take advantage of the situation. In my natal country, those that somehow had missed that learning, have the opportunity to learn by going to night schools. Opportunities always come to everybody. Some times early, in time or late. I heard once one of my teachers saying to some one, "if you do not take this opportunity now, it may come later to you in 5 years time from now, when it may be too late". At the time, i could not understand that reading, but later on i could see the meaning more clear. And it happens like that, if we fail to sort out our specific karma in this life time, we will have the opportunity in another life time. What i saw in you horoscope was that you have burned most of your karma out, in regard to relationships. At present you have got the opportunity to sort things out in that department. you I will be studying this very carefully. The most poignant point for me is the reminder that we are spiritual beings in our most profound and pure essence. I never heard it said to see the sun as the false ego. What is the difference between the ego, and the false ego. Thanksme Many thanks for your question which i will try to respond in a clear way. The symptom of life is consciousness. Without life, without a soul, without a consciousness, a body is certified as death. The soul comes in general from a place called the collective place of souls. It is described in the vedas and it can be experienced with various methods like meditation, samadhi etc. That place is like a city in which each soul is like a light. Some of those lights "detach" themselves from that source, to travel to their next body to reincarnate, and other lights travel after death from a body to that place. The best example to imagine or visualise is the example of the sun. The sun can be seen as a place full of those individual souls, full of light. However, like in any place where there is an order, there is a head that rules or controls the place. In the case of the Sun, that ruler is called Narayana, or Surya being like his commander. Surya is the superintendent of the Sun, or in other words, he is the demigod in charge of the Sun globe. Narayana is another name of God, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Surya or all the other demigods are always under the control and guidance of Narayana. Among the Nahoas (ancient natal mexicans), is the belief (some of them are still existing in his pure form), that behind every creation there is a living being, visible or invisible, manifested or non-manifested. That is why they call our brother sun, our brother river, our sister water etc. By ego (ergo in Latin) we mean an individual. In our example of the sun, all souls are like in an undifferentiated state, they are together in a collective state, they have lost their individuality. It is like a spiritual suicide. However, by the desire of the individual, the soul becomes differentiated and is ready to travel to its next body to reincarnate. In its purity, the soul is in essence similar to God, but in quantity is limited. In the vedas we read that God has 3 main energies; the material, the internal or spiritual and the marginal. For this analysis, i found a booklet where i took some notes in a class given in the Hare Krishna temple at Paris on 7 July 1973. Those notes said: The material energy is in the mode of ignorance (tamasic) and it is ruled by Maya Devi. The spiritual energy or His inner energy is in the mode of goodness (satva guna), and it is ruled by Radharani. The marginal energy is in the mode of passion (raja guna) and it is ruled by Brahma (the living being or demigod in charge of building this material creation, or the architect of this universe). The marginal energy is the energy that is between the spiritual and the material energies. The living beings or souls are spiritual but become in contact with the material energy, and therefore they are called the marginal energy. There are 2 kind of souls. One is called the nitya baddha or eternally conditioned and the other is called nitya mukta, or eternally liberated. The nitya baddha soul is "eternally" in touch with the external or material energy. The nitya mukta soul is eternally in touch with the inner or spiritual energy. I say "eternally" conditioned but in reality, when the conditioned soul wants to become liberated, the facilities or opportunities to do that come. Here it ends that class. Now, the soul is pure in essence, but when in touch with the spiritual energy, becomes conditioned. Lets see the soul before birth. In essence the soul is an individual, a spiritual particle. When the soul somehow is given a body by the mercy of Mother Durga (mother nature), reincarnates and takes a material body and therefore a horoscope. The first house of the horoscope is called tanu, or the material body. Tanu to my understanding, is like a tunnel, a passage through which the soul "enters" a material body. Tanu or the first house of the vedic horoscope, indicates the external personality of the individual. By external personality i mean the how others look at the individual. An individual does not have eyes behind, and therefore cannot see himself 360° around. But others can see that. What others perceive from an individual is the external personality. The inner personality is the one that only few or near can perceive from an individual. That inner personality is shown by the Moon sign, the mental energy. Once the ego, the "I am" is inside the body or horoscope, it develops a "false" identity with the material body. The "i am spiritual soul (aham brahmasmi)" becomes "i am this material body". The real ego becomes the false ego. The real ego identifies with a material body, and all its strings attached. In this procees the real ego becomes a false ego. "I have a material personality (1st house); a family (2nd house); younger siblings or friends (3rd); a mother, home, mind, education, country (4th), material love, children (5th); maternal uncle, enemies (6th); spouse, partners (7th); sexuality (8th); father, beliefs, religion (9th); vocation, occupation, profession (10th), elder siblings, friends, income (11th) and maternal gran-father, paternal grand-mother (12th house)." So, the position of the sun in a chart indicates the soul or consciousness of the individual. But the moon position in the sidereal sky is more important because the mind (represented by the moon) is the beginning to this material game . The sun is just like a witness but the mental plane is more active in this material platform. Every single activity starts in the mind. The sun is the soul; the moon is the mind; mercury is the intellect; Venus indicates the desires; mars the activity, the karma; Jupiter is the behaviour; (have you heard of the expression "he is out of order" , to mean his behaviour is off.); Saturn shows the destiny; Rahu likes to cause chaos and Ketu likes to cause order even if we do not understand it. you <<If he is the one developing detachment and I don't feel needed let it be too. I would love a little more advice.>>me Women by nature are more sensitive than men. You may have "felt" his detachment. Frederick Nietzche, the great German philosopher said that a man is like a river, women cannot understand his deep waters. Although he may be seen like detached, once a man has found his woman, he does not need to show his attachment like a woman does. In cases like this, you as a woman has to accommodate to his "detachment" I hope that all this helps. Me Have you heard the song "La malagueña"?youyes. Its delightful. Also it is wonderful living in Malaga. me Malagueño saleroso! Although i do not know Malaga yet i have met some people from there, all nice. I guess that it is a very nice place. I will see his chart later and post something about it. Best wishes Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2002 Report Share Posted February 8, 2002 Dear Natabara Das, > You can't believe how helpful you have been. Your words come just at the right time and they are just the words that I need to hear. > > you > Opportunities always come to everybody. Some times early, in time or late. I heard once one of my teachers saying to some one, "if you do not take this opportunity now, it may come later to you in 5 years time from now, when it may be too late". > > At the time, I could not understand that reading, but later on I could see the meaning more clear. > > And it happens like that, if we fail to sort out our specific karma in this life time, we will have the opportunity in another life time. > > What I saw in you horoscope was that you have burned most of your karma out, in regard to relationships. At present you have got the opportunity to sort things out in that department. > > me > I feel a lot better now. I am trying my very best. Your words on opportunities is just great. I feel like this one is for me and lets see how I do with it. > > you > Women by nature are more sensitive than men. You may have "felt" his detachment. > > Frederick Nietzche, the great German philosopher said that a man is like a river, women cannot understand his deep waters. > > Although he may be seen like detached, once a man has found his woman, he does not need to show his attachment like a woman does. > > In cases like this, you as a woman has to accommodate to his "detachment" > > me > I am always fascinated to hear about gender differences. Especially men speaking about men instead of women speaking about men. This little comment will help a lot. Hearing this again from a man went in a little deeper. > > you > I hope that all this helps. > > me > I'll say. I feel lighter and more open and detached plus so many questions clearly answered. > . > you > I will see his chart later and post something about it. > > me > that is so kind of you and the explanation of the false ego was so clear and helpful. In Vedic Astrology is there agreement that the Sun is soul, Moon is mind and Mercury is intellect. Thanks. > > Best wishes > April > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > << File: >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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