Orbs , and degrees

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Dear Zamani

 

I come from the same background. I learned in years of working with planets

that it is the planets who are involved that make all of the difference. If

you put Venus and the Sun together at 10 degrees and it is not that powerful.

Put Mars and Saturn in the same house and it remains powerful even if they are

more than 10 degrees apart. It all comes down to who is spending time with

whom.

 

c

 

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Zamani Feelings

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Monday, February 04, 2002 6:42 PM

[GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Hello to all its Zamani Coming from a background in Western Astrology , one of

the first things i learned from some die hard minimalist interpreters was that

in order to be an excellent interpreter of a chart , you must understand the

planets and planetary aspects.The second thing that was drilled in my head was

that for the purposes of accuracy its important to use tight orbs (or degrees)

in interpreting aspects.I was always taught that anything over 5 or possibly

six degrees between two planets (sqaure , conjunction , opposition etc) was

going to be less important or even irrelevant in comparison to those aspects

that are tighter or closer in degrees.In my introduction to Vedic astrology , I

didnt find the attention being placed on the significance of degrees (until

recently) .My sun is around 3 degrees in Virgo and my Venus is somewhere around

22 , but Vedic Astrologers will speak of this as a conjunction because they are

ln the same sign and subsequently the same house. Does anyone have a limit to

what they will consider an aspect in this regard.? Does the distance between

planets matter in Vedic Astro , and has anyone found that using degrees in

interpreting what is a true aspect is a succesfull method?

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Hi Zamani,

 

Yes the degrees of the planet do matter. In the rasi chart, 2 planets in the

same house could be looked at as a conjunction. But the difference manifests

itself in the Navamsa. If the degrees are more than 3:20 apart, they will be in

different houses in Navamsa.

 

The Navamsa plays an important role in interpretation, and Vedic Astrology does

attach a lot of significance to it.

 

Regards,

K

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Tuesday, February 05, 2002 6:12 AM

[GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Hello to all its Zamani Coming from a background in Western Astrology , one of

the first things i learned from some die hard minimalist interpreters was that

in order to be an excellent interpreter of a chart , you must understand the

planets and planetary aspects.The second thing that was drilled in my head was

that for the purposes of accuracy its important to use tight orbs (or degrees)

in interpreting aspects.I was always taught that anything over 5 or possibly

six degrees between two planets (sqaure , conjunction , opposition etc) was

going to be less important or even irrelevant in comparison to those aspects

that are tighter or closer in degrees.In my introduction to Vedic astrology , I

didnt find the attention being placed on the significance of degrees (until

recently) .My sun is around 3 degrees in Virgo and my Venus is somewhere around

22 , but Vedic Astrologers will speak of this as a conjunction because they are

ln the same sign and subsequently the same house. Does anyone have a limit to

what they will consider an aspect in this regard.? Does the distance between

planets matter in Vedic Astro , and has anyone found that using degrees in

interpreting what is a true aspect is a succesfull method?

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Hi Cynthia,

 

I have a question for you. My sister has Saturn-Mars (11 degree orb) in Virgo

Ascendant. Mars is right on the Ascendant cusp. Guess what, she is

accident-prone, has had some serious burn injuries, and lots of cuts etc. I

used to look at Navamsa afflictions to both Mars and Saturn, but going by what

you say, its the malefics in Lagna doing their bit, is that right?

 

My Western astrology training has always taught me to disregard an aspect that

was not significantly "tight".

 

Regards,

K

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cynthia novak

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Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:16 AM

Re: [GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Dear Zamani

 

I come from the same background. I learned in years of working with planets

that it is the planets who are involved that make all of the difference. If

you put Venus and the Sun together at 10 degrees and it is not that powerful.

Put Mars and Saturn in the same house and it remains powerful even if they are

more than 10 degrees apart. It all comes down to who is spending time with

whom.

 

c

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Dear Zamani

My humble opinion is that the closeness of the orbs are crucial .The ancient

texts only contain abbreviated knowledge that was meant to be elaborated on by

the teacher .They also contain more techniques than can be practically utilised

..So test any principle on your collection of charts and if it doesn't work for

you throw it out.In the end you have to use what you can get working usefully

for you which may be quite different to the next astrolger .We are individuals

with different make ups reflected in our different charts .

OK

Nicholas

 

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cynthia novak

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Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:46 PM

Re: [GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Dear Zamani

 

I come from the same background. I learned in years of working with planets

that it is the planets who are involved that make all of the difference. If

you put Venus and the Sun together at 10 degrees and it is not that powerful.

Put Mars and Saturn in the same house and it remains powerful even if they are

more than 10 degrees apart. It all comes down to who is spending time with

whom.

 

c

 

-

Zamani Feelings

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Monday, February 04, 2002 6:42 PM

[GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Hello to all its Zamani Coming from a background in Western Astrology , one of

the first things i learned from some die hard minimalist interpreters was that

in order to be an excellent interpreter of a chart , you must understand the

planets and planetary aspects.The second thing that was drilled in my head was

that for the purposes of accuracy its important to use tight orbs (or degrees)

in interpreting aspects.I was always taught that anything over 5 or possibly

six degrees between two planets (sqaure , conjunction , opposition etc) was

going to be less important or even irrelevant in comparison to those aspects

that are tighter or closer in degrees.In my introduction to Vedic astrology , I

didnt find the attention being placed on the significance of degrees (until

recently) .My sun is around 3 degrees in Virgo and my Venus is somewhere around

22 , but Vedic Astrologers will speak of this as a conjunction because they are

ln the same sign and subsequently the same house. Does anyone have a limit to

what they will consider an aspect in this regard.? Does the distance between

planets matter in Vedic Astro , and has anyone found that using degrees in

interpreting what is a true aspect is a succesfull method?

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Dear Cynthia

This is an interesting idea I haven't heard before .What are the guidelines on

"who is spenmding time with who "

Thanks in advance

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cynthia novak

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Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:46 PM

Re: [GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Dear Zamani

 

I come from the same background. I learned in years of working with planets

that it is the planets who are involved that make all of the difference. If

you put Venus and the Sun together at 10 degrees and it is not that powerful.

Put Mars and Saturn in the same house and it remains powerful even if they are

more than 10 degrees apart. It all comes down to who is spending time with

whom.

 

c

 

-

Zamani Feelings

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Monday, February 04, 2002 6:42 PM

[GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Hello to all its Zamani Coming from a background in Western Astrology , one of

the first things i learned from some die hard minimalist interpreters was that

in order to be an excellent interpreter of a chart , you must understand the

planets and planetary aspects.The second thing that was drilled in my head was

that for the purposes of accuracy its important to use tight orbs (or degrees)

in interpreting aspects.I was always taught that anything over 5 or possibly

six degrees between two planets (sqaure , conjunction , opposition etc) was

going to be less important or even irrelevant in comparison to those aspects

that are tighter or closer in degrees.In my introduction to Vedic astrology , I

didnt find the attention being placed on the significance of degrees (until

recently) .My sun is around 3 degrees in Virgo and my Venus is somewhere around

22 , but Vedic Astrologers will speak of this as a conjunction because they are

ln the same sign and subsequently the same house. Does anyone have a limit to

what they will consider an aspect in this regard.? Does the distance between

planets matter in Vedic Astro , and has anyone found that using degrees in

interpreting what is a true aspect is a succesfull method?

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Dear K

I had that same training, but I found that when 2 planets are a different as

Saturn and Mars their stress if very obvious even when they are widely apart.

It would be easy for the astrologer to say this combination of malefics from

opposing camps would manifest as accidents. Go a step deeper and look to see

what is at the core. Here, we see mental Virgo lagna with MArs suggesting that

she may not be paying attention to what she is doing. Go deeper and find

SAturn. There is likely an on-going stressful dialogue within her that is the

irritant or stressor. Ask her what she thinks about most and it may be a

mental battle or argument that Mars and Saturn symbolize. The antidote is to

give Saturn, caution, a job and give Mars anger a viable outlet like lots of

good physical exercise. Get them together and lift weights or some other

strength building exercise. Still, the essence will be a mind that is filled

with frustration and anger that needs some positive outlet...and she should

engage her full attention before operating machinery <grins>

 

c

 

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Kundalika

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Monday, February 04, 2002 11:10 PM

Re: [GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Hi Cynthia,

 

I have a question for you. My sister has Saturn-Mars (11 degree orb) in Virgo

Ascendant. Mars is right on the Ascendant cusp. Guess what, she is

accident-prone, has had some serious burn injuries, and lots of cuts etc. I

used to look at Navamsa afflictions to both Mars and Saturn, but going by what

you say, its the malefics in Lagna doing their bit, is that right?

 

My Western astrology training has always taught me to disregard an aspect that

was not significantly "tight".

 

Regards,

K

-

cynthia novak

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Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:16 AM

Re: [GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Dear Zamani

 

I come from the same background. I learned in years of working with planets

that it is the planets who are involved that make all of the difference. If

you put Venus and the Sun together at 10 degrees and it is not that powerful.

Put Mars and Saturn in the same house and it remains powerful even if they are

more than 10 degrees apart. It all comes down to who is spending time with

whom.

 

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Dear Cynthia,

 

Thank you for this explanation. Yes, I have found a good way to keep her Martian

energy occupied. She studies fine arts, I ensured that she picked ceramics as

her major. She works with clay all day:) The problem, is accidents seem to find

her, not the other way round! When she was barely 9, she was lighting

firecrackers in Diwali, one exploded right as she lit it, and burnt her hand

badly. I was there, I saw it happen. She didnt do anything different from the

previous ones she lit. Just that this one chose to behave differently.

 

I sometimes think its her karma, lots of physical wounds. May be the strong Mars ensures it:(

 

Best wishes,

K.

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cynthia novak

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Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:02 AM

Re: [GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Dear K

I had that same training, but I found that when 2 planets are a different as

Saturn and Mars their stress if very obvious even when they are widely apart.

It would be easy for the astrologer to say this combination of malefics from

opposing camps would manifest as accidents. Go a step deeper and look to see

what is at the core. Here, we see mental Virgo lagna with MArs suggesting that

she may not be paying attention to what she is doing. Go deeper and find

SAturn. There is likely an on-going stressful dialogue within her that is the

irritant or stressor. Ask her what she thinks about most and it may be a

mental battle or argument that Mars and Saturn symbolize. The antidote is to

give Saturn, caution, a job and give Mars anger a viable outlet like lots of

good physical exercise. Get them together and lift weights or some other

strength building exercise. Still, the essence will be a mind that is filled

with frustration and anger that needs some positive outlet...and she should

engage her full attention before operating machinery <grins>

 

c

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Dear Nicholas

 

I just look at a chart and any planets in a house I see as spending time

together. In many respects, they are spending your life together <grins>. How

do they get along. For instance, SAturn and Mars are so contradictory they

struggle with each other for control. If you have a really powerful SAturn, he

can usually get the better of Mars, but it will required discipline and effort.

If you have a really strong Mars, he will run over SAturn, but you will feel it

like a great big body under your tires. Because they are in opposing camps,

their union makes one a friend to the chart, but he cannot really help you

without getting the other to go along.

 

The way I try to get these two to work for clients is to give each planet a

little of what he wants. Saturn wants to be productive so give him a job.

MArs wants to take action, so give him physical activity or some sort of risk

to take.

 

Imagine this, You have Mars and SAturn together in a house. Mars is a friend to

the chart and he is in Aries, so he is very strong and Saturn is therefore

debilitated. Debil. Saturn gets neecha bunga but he still struggles to do

Saturn things well like set up a plan or stick to a project. Mars says let's

go for it and Saturn can't help him take the steps to go forward like Let's be

a Dr. but debil. SAturn doesn't want to stay in school for 15 years. Then we

see what Saturn will do besides say "You'll never make it!" We give him the

job of researching various alternatives that take less time to achieve.

 

Even if there is no neecha you can get the two to cooperate by giving eacha

little of what he needs to be useful to the native.

 

On the other side, what if we have Venus hanging out with Mercury, they

naturally cooperate even if they are in a difficult sign. Venus knows what she

wants and Mercury isn't afraid to ask for it.

 

Anyway, it is just a way that I make sense of the whole village in each of us.

 

cynthia

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Nicholas

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Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:35 AM

Re: [GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Dear Cynthia

This is an interesting idea I haven't heard before .What are the guidelines on

"who is spenmding time with who "

Thanks in advance

-

cynthia novak

gjlist

Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:46 PM

Re: [GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Dear Zamani

 

I come from the same background. I learned in years of working with planets

that it is the planets who are involved that make all of the difference. If

you put Venus and the Sun together at 10 degrees and it is not that powerful.

Put Mars and Saturn in the same house and it remains powerful even if they are

more than 10 degrees apart. It all comes down to who is spending time with

whom.

 

c

 

-

Zamani Feelings

gjlist

Monday, February 04, 2002 6:42 PM

[GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Hello to all its Zamani Coming from a background in Western Astrology , one of

the first things i learned from some die hard minimalist interpreters was that

in order to be an excellent interpreter of a chart , you must understand the

planets and planetary aspects.The second thing that was drilled in my head was

that for the purposes of accuracy its important to use tight orbs (or degrees)

in interpreting aspects.I was always taught that anything over 5 or possibly

six degrees between two planets (sqaure , conjunction , opposition etc) was

going to be less important or even irrelevant in comparison to those aspects

that are tighter or closer in degrees.In my introduction to Vedic astrology , I

didnt find the attention being placed on the significance of degrees (until

recently) .My sun is around 3 degrees in Virgo and my Venus is somewhere around

22 , but Vedic Astrologers will speak of this as a conjunction because they are

ln the same sign and subsequently the same house. Does anyone have a limit to

what they will consider an aspect in this regard.? Does the distance between

planets matter in Vedic Astro , and has anyone found that using degrees in

interpreting what is a true aspect is a succesfull method?

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Dear Cynthia

I agree .In terms of yogas it is easier to get planets from the same camp to

cooperate and easier to get the more sattvic planets to cooperate than the

tamasic ones . This is an interesting counselling technique you have shared

with the list and I think these jyotish lists should have more of this type of

material so we can improve on the quality of advice as well as the quality of

jyotish

Nicholas

 

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cynthia novak

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Saturday, February 09, 2002 11:50 AM

Re: [GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Dear Nicholas

 

I just look at a chart and any planets in a house I see as spending time

together. In many respects, they are spending your life together <grins>. How

do they get along. For instance, SAturn and Mars are so contradictory they

struggle with each other for control. If you have a really powerful SAturn, he

can usually get the better of Mars, but it will required discipline and effort.

If you have a really strong Mars, he will run over SAturn, but you will feel it

like a great big body under your tires. Because they are in opposing camps,

their union makes one a friend to the chart, but he cannot really help you

without getting the other to go along.

 

The way I try to get these two to work for clients is to give each planet a

little of what he wants. Saturn wants to be productive so give him a job.

MArs wants to take action, so give him physical activity or some sort of risk

to take.

 

Imagine this, You have Mars and SAturn together in a house. Mars is a friend to

the chart and he is in Aries, so he is very strong and Saturn is therefore

debilitated. Debil. Saturn gets neecha bunga but he still struggles to do

Saturn things well like set up a plan or stick to a project. Mars says let's

go for it and Saturn can't help him take the steps to go forward like Let's be

a Dr. but debil. SAturn doesn't want to stay in school for 15 years. Then we

see what Saturn will do besides say "You'll never make it!" We give him the

job of researching various alternatives that take less time to achieve.

 

Even if there is no neecha you can get the two to cooperate by giving eacha

little of what he needs to be useful to the native.

 

On the other side, what if we have Venus hanging out with Mercury, they

naturally cooperate even if they are in a difficult sign. Venus knows what she

wants and Mercury isn't afraid to ask for it.

 

Anyway, it is just a way that I make sense of the whole village in each of us.

 

cynthia

-

Nicholas

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Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:35 AM

Re: [GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Dear Cynthia

This is an interesting idea I haven't heard before .What are the guidelines on

"who is spenmding time with who "

Thanks in advance

-

cynthia novak

gjlist

Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:46 PM

Re: [GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Dear Zamani

 

I come from the same background. I learned in years of working with planets

that it is the planets who are involved that make all of the difference. If

you put Venus and the Sun together at 10 degrees and it is not that powerful.

Put Mars and Saturn in the same house and it remains powerful even if they are

more than 10 degrees apart. It all comes down to who is spending time with

whom.

 

c

 

-

Zamani Feelings

gjlist

Monday, February 04, 2002 6:42 PM

[GJ] Orbs , and degrees

Hello to all its Zamani Coming from a background in Western Astrology , one of

the first things i learned from some die hard minimalist interpreters was that

in order to be an excellent interpreter of a chart , you must understand the

planets and planetary aspects.The second thing that was drilled in my head was

that for the purposes of accuracy its important to use tight orbs (or degrees)

in interpreting aspects.I was always taught that anything over 5 or possibly

six degrees between two planets (sqaure , conjunction , opposition etc) was

going to be less important or even irrelevant in comparison to those aspects

that are tighter or closer in degrees.In my introduction to Vedic astrology , I

didnt find the attention being placed on the significance of degrees (until

recently) .My sun is around 3 degrees in Virgo and my Venus is somewhere around

22 , but Vedic Astrologers will speak of this as a conjunction because they are

ln the same sign and subsequently the same house. Does anyone have a limit to

what they will consider an aspect in this regard.? Does the distance between

planets matter in Vedic Astro , and has anyone found that using degrees in

interpreting what is a true aspect is a succesfull method?

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