Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 I've often said that through Venus we come to Saturn and through Saturn we come to Venus. This means, through lush living and attempting to enjoy on a constant basis (Venus), one comes to so much trouble and problems (Saturn). Heroin is the most pleasurable thing- it creates a peace, bliss, painlessness on every level. It destroys the bodies ability to fight pain, so, if you ever stop it, your body has to adjust. It's very painful. Junkies, in trying to "remove the pain of life" simply create more pain for themselves. This is going through Venus to Saturn. Those who work hard, control their senses, and thus hold back, wait, are patient, for the gratification, they, accepting Saturn, eventually come to real pleasure, real Venus. Coal, hard, black and nearly worthless, under preassure over long time, becomes diamond. Saturn to Venus. Black becomes rainbow, due to preassure and stress, and time. That beauty, that Diamond, is beautiful, but it's real beauty. It's made so hard (by Saturn's weight) that it is practically indestructible, and can be used therefore as a blade to cut most other things. So, that which is made beautiful by Saturn, can never be destroyed. That which is made beautiful by cheap version of Venus, washes off in the rain, like Mascara on the eyes (kajal). The fleating beauty of youth is not permanent, therefore is not the real kind of Venus, the real pleasure. The real pleasure is lasting, beautiful, permanent. That pleasure based on substances or items outside oneself, must constantly be used and replenished, causing so much labor. That pleasure which comes from within is obtained usually by doing less, not more, leaving more physical time for pleasurable things directly, rather than chasing money to procure the needed substances required to induce aritificial pleasure. On Earth, it's all about Sreyas and Preyas, (Shray-us/Pray-us), or long term gratification and short term gratification. We should work towards long term, or rather, that is where we find lasting pleasure that doesn't bring on a ton of unnecessary, unwanted difficulty into our lives (Saturn). When we do everything for short term gains, we are stressed, we are fearful, we are not on solid ground, and generally due to lack of planning and proper abstract long term thinking, our lives fall apart gradually, and Saturn gets ahold of us, in forms of stupidity, poverty, prison, disease, etc. So the wise invite proper amounts of austerity or hard work and struggle into their lives, while the foolish avoid the austerity required to properly maintain their positions materially, and so they go down, while thinking they are having a "good time". Those who are on the spiritual path are necessarily working on this issue or have mastered it (rare). To truly control one senses is difficult, but it is possible, by replacing lower tastes with higher tastes, or lower octaves of our placements with higher ones. The smart join those who willfully do a little suffering, hold back their senses willfully a bit more and more all the time, training to be like a turtle who can withdraw and extend his working senses at will, not that he is out of control, controlled by something else... No...the real yogi, or spiritualist, is seeking to find themselves only in their consciousness, and see the body and all other matter around their consciousness as that field which the witness (you) are trying to become one with in unison, harmony, flow, yoga, because it comes from the divine center, and so by flowing here, you naturally catch the wave pointing back towards the center. Figure out from which direction the current around you is flowing, and turn that way. You are then facing the divine center where "God" lives. That is Yoga in all forms, or the sum total of Yoga. Jyotish is a part of the Yoga of the mind and intellect. It is to show us the way in which divinity is omnipresent, and the breakdown of the energies employed in raising the witnesses to higher states. Because being raised is the aim, therefore struggle is the means, austerity the technique, Veda the guide, and Jyotish the proof. This is the truth about life, but most do not wish to admit this, even if shown it. But those who study the modern Vedic path fully enough, will not be able to deny these conclusions. You are far along if you practice sense control, focusing the mind and actions etc on the Divine, basically making the aim of your life, not enjoying the most here, but becoming better and better at handling eternal life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Dear Das Nice posting .I'd choose a life of difficulty with insight over a superficial ,easy life any day . Despite the difficulties you have had your life is brilliant and fortunate because you have found Krsna and a wonderful Guru in HH BR Sridhara Swami .Keep up your devotions we're cheering for you .. Namaste Nicholas - "Das Goravani" <> <gjlist> Friday, February 01, 2002 12:02 PM [GJ] "Earth Ride"- Come Test Your Patience > > > I've often said that through Venus we come to Saturn and through Saturn > we come to Venus. > > This means, through lush living and attempting to enjoy on a constant > basis (Venus), one comes to so much trouble and problems (Saturn). > > Heroin is the most pleasurable thing- it creates a peace, bliss, > painlessness on every level. It destroys the bodies ability to fight > pain, so, if you ever stop it, your body has to adjust. It's very > painful. Junkies, in trying to "remove the pain of life" simply create > more pain for themselves. This is going through Venus to Saturn. > > Those who work hard, control their senses, and thus hold back, wait, are > patient, for the gratification, they, accepting Saturn, eventually come > to real pleasure, real Venus. > > Coal, hard, black and nearly worthless, under preassure over long time, > becomes diamond. Saturn to Venus. Black becomes rainbow, due to > preassure and stress, and time. > > That beauty, that Diamond, is beautiful, but it's real beauty. It's made > so hard (by Saturn's weight) that it is practically indestructible, and > can be used therefore as a blade to cut most other things. > > So, that which is made beautiful by Saturn, can never be destroyed. > > That which is made beautiful by cheap version of Venus, washes off in > the rain, like Mascara on the eyes (kajal). > > The fleating beauty of youth is not permanent, therefore is not the real > kind of Venus, the real pleasure. The real pleasure is lasting, > beautiful, permanent. > > That pleasure based on substances or items outside oneself, must > constantly be used and replenished, causing so much labor. > > That pleasure which comes from within is obtained usually by doing less, > not more, leaving more physical time for pleasurable things directly, > rather than chasing money to procure the needed substances required to > induce aritificial pleasure. > > On Earth, it's all about Sreyas and Preyas, (Shray-us/Pray-us), or long > term gratification and short term gratification. > > We should work towards long term, or rather, that is where we find > lasting pleasure that doesn't bring on a ton of unnecessary, unwanted > difficulty into our lives (Saturn). > > When we do everything for short term gains, we are stressed, we are > fearful, we are not on solid ground, and generally due to lack of > planning and proper abstract long term thinking, our lives fall apart > gradually, and Saturn gets ahold of us, in forms of stupidity, poverty, > prison, disease, etc. > > So the wise invite proper amounts of austerity or hard work and struggle > into their lives, while the foolish avoid the austerity required to > properly maintain their positions materially, and so they go down, while > thinking they are having a "good time". > > Those who are on the spiritual path are necessarily working on this > issue or have mastered it (rare). To truly control one senses is > difficult, but it is possible, by replacing lower tastes with higher > tastes, or lower octaves of our placements with higher ones. > > The smart join those who willfully do a little suffering, hold back > their senses willfully a bit more and more all the time, training to be > like a turtle who can withdraw and extend his working senses at will, > not that he is out of control, controlled by something else... > > No...the real yogi, or spiritualist, is seeking to find themselves only > in their consciousness, and see the body and all other matter around > their consciousness as that field which the witness (you) are trying to > become one with in unison, harmony, flow, yoga, because it comes from > the divine center, and so by flowing here, you naturally catch the wave > pointing back towards the center. > > Figure out from which direction the current around you is flowing, and > turn that way. You are then facing the divine center where "God" lives. > > That is Yoga in all forms, or the sum total of Yoga. Jyotish is a part > of the Yoga of the mind and intellect. It is to show us the way in which > divinity is omnipresent, and the breakdown of the energies employed in > raising the witnesses to higher states. > > Because being raised is the aim, therefore struggle is the means, > austerity the technique, Veda the guide, and Jyotish the proof. This is > the truth about life, but most do not wish to admit this, even if shown > it. But those who study the modern Vedic path fully enough, will not be > able to deny these conclusions. > > You are far along if you practice sense control, focusing the mind and > actions etc on the Divine, basically making the aim of your life, not > enjoying the most here, but becoming better and better at handling > eternal life. > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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