Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 , Harsha wrote: > > I remember the colloquial Hindi saying, "Sahaj pake so meetha hoye". It means when we cook something slowly and naturally, it turns out sweet. The implication is when you turn the heat on too high and too quickly trying to get the results immediately, it can backfire. The Gazrella may get burned. The soup may not have the time to simmer and absorb all the flavors from the vegetables and spices. > > "Sahaj pake so meetha hoye" is a cooking metaphor but can apply to many things, even the spiritual path. People ask for how they can hasten their spiritual progress. They want advice to move forward fast. But life is not a DVD or a VCR. The rush towards enlightenment makes an object of our Self-nature and expectations cloud the vision. > > All advanced meditation and yoga practices finally come to the point where one becomes extraordinarily aware of the root instinct to survive not just as a physical human entity but as an identity. If we meditate deeply on our being, we will see that our actions and behavior are guided at gross and subtle levels by this root survival nature embedded in our psyche. > > So the first principle of yoga, which is Ahimsa (nonviolence) seems very strange in this context. If our root instinct is to survive, it goes against our nature to embrace a philosophy that states that the highest principle of life is nonviolence or harmlessness to others. > > It is only when we meditate deeply on the nature of our being, we see why the ancient sages have put Ahimsa at the top of the list. Ahimsa is the final antidote to fear at every level. Ahimsa means harmlessness. If we are cultivating Ahimsa, we are not holding on to things and we are not looking for higher states of consciousness. To look for Truth anywhere else other than where you are is not the straight path. Ahimsa in its finest essence implies absolute non- movement of the mind. > > Without knowing that the Ahimsa is the Self-nature, fear will be there. Seeing the "other" separate from oneself is a subtle form of violence. As long as there is the "other", there is fear and the root instinct to survive dominates. When we understand that Self is One without a second, that is true Ahimsa. Without this deep cultivation of non-violence in fiber of ones being, fear will come up in meditation, and in Samadhi, and one may feel terror at the thought of losing everything along with one's identity. > > Intellectually, we know that we will lose everything because nothing belongs to us. All things are transient and we part at the time of death from our loved ones. Yet, even knowing this truth, we cannot emotionally accept it and the deep rooted fear of loss still comes out. The whole of nature has programmed us to survive at every level. We have to respect this nature and not struggle with it. If fear comes, one has to reflect carefully as to why it has come. What are we afraid of losing? And if we are afraid of losing something (love, power, money, prestige, life, sanity, mind, etc.), we should take it in stride and not create an extra layer of judgment upon ourselves and cause more tension. > > So it is at this point, one has to allow the soup of life to simmer with love and gratitude. When the soup is not ready, we have to let it simmer on low heat and capture all the flavors. The first principle of yoga, which is Ahimsa, or harmlessness, frees one from the fear of loss. It is the attitude of Ahimsa, that softens the tendency to hold on to things. Only through grace can one can surrender one's being to the Lord of the Heart and realize the Self as one's own being, the One without a second. Namaste Harsha et al, That is so true, and one of the best pieces that I have read on this subject, mainly I suppose due to my own personal experiences recently. To me Ahimsa is All, in every form and phase because utimately all movement is injurious to some being or other. Even if the being is energy packets and parcels. So Ahimsa to me also means non movement, silence, stillness, Brahman............ONS...Tony. ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click./_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/bpSolB/TM --~-> community blog is at http://.net/blog/ "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Tony OClery wrote: > --Namaste Harsha et al, > > That is so true, and one of the best pieces that I have read on this > subject, mainly I suppose due to my own personal experiences > recently. > To me Ahimsa is All, in every form and phase because utimately all > movement is injurious to some being or other. Even if the being is > energy packets and parcels. So Ahimsa to me also means non movement, > silence, stillness, Brahman............ONS...Tony. > > I am glad you liked it Tony. You are just a big Ahimsa guy! Jill too is a big Ahimsa person as is Joyce and Andrew Macnab. There are a bunch of others too. Ahimsa is totally cool and groovy. I love Ahimsa people (as long they don't start roughing up the non-Ahimsa people)! Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Dear All why soooooo many words...... when all what is "needed" is to realize that there is only the SELF and nothing else..... what means that "i" "you" "heshe" and so on do not REALLY exist realizing t h a t and trying to live accordingly thats whats needed not so many nice or not so nice words and dear unknow religions beliefsystems nations and so on are only concept which all of us have to overcome and ahimsa...... whatever "we" do is not done by "us" but by the SELF and if this SELF commands "to kill" killings happens whatever AHIMSA says...... so please let us remember this always..... in respect michael bindel Tony OClery <aoclery > wrote: , Harsha wrote: > > I remember the colloquial Hindi saying, "Sahaj pake so meetha hoye". It means when we cook something slowly and naturally, it turns out sweet. The implication is when you turn the heat on too high and too quickly trying to get the results immediately, it can backfire. The Gazrella may get burned. The soup may not have the time to simmer and absorb all the flavors from the vegetables and spices. > > "Sahaj pake so meetha hoye" is a cooking metaphor but can apply to many things, even the spiritual path. People ask for how they can hasten their spiritual progress. They want advice to move forward fast. But life is not a DVD or a VCR. The rush towards enlightenment makes an object of our Self-nature and expectations cloud the vision. > > All advanced meditation and yoga practices finally come to the point where one becomes extraordinarily aware of the root instinct to survive not just as a physical human entity but as an identity. If we meditate deeply on our being, we will see that our actions and behavior are guided at gross and subtle levels by this root survival nature embedded in our psyche. > > So the first principle of yoga, which is Ahimsa (nonviolence) seems very strange in this context. If our root instinct is to survive, it goes against our nature to embrace a philosophy that states that the highest principle of life is nonviolence or harmlessness to others. > > It is only when we meditate deeply on the nature of our being, we see why the ancient sages have put Ahimsa at the top of the list. Ahimsa is the final antidote to fear at every level. Ahimsa means harmlessness. If we are cultivating Ahimsa, we are not holding on to things and we are not looking for higher states of consciousness. To look for Truth anywhere else other than where you are is not the straight path. Ahimsa in its finest essence implies absolute non- movement of the mind. > > Without knowing that the Ahimsa is the Self-nature, fear will be there. Seeing the "other" separate from oneself is a subtle form of violence. As long as there is the "other", there is fear and the root instinct to survive dominates. When we understand that Self is One without a second, that is true Ahimsa. Without this deep cultivation of non-violence in fiber of ones being, fear will come up in meditation, and in Samadhi, and one may feel terror at the thought of losing everything along with one's identity. > > Intellectually, we know that we will lose everything because nothing belongs to us. All things are transient and we part at the time of death from our loved ones. Yet, even knowing this truth, we cannot emotionally accept it and the deep rooted fear of loss still comes out. The whole of nature has programmed us to survive at every level. We have to respect this nature and not struggle with it. If fear comes, one has to reflect carefully as to why it has come. What are we afraid of losing? And if we are afraid of losing something (love, power, money, prestige, life, sanity, mind, etc.), we should take it in stride and not create an extra layer of judgment upon ourselves and cause more tension. > > So it is at this point, one has to allow the soup of life to simmer with love and gratitude. When the soup is not ready, we have to let it simmer on low heat and capture all the flavors. The first principle of yoga, which is Ahimsa, or harmlessness, frees one from the fear of loss. It is the attitude of Ahimsa, that softens the tendency to hold on to things. Only through grace can one can surrender one's being to the Lord of the Heart and realize the Self as one's own being, the One without a second. Namaste Harsha et al, That is so true, and one of the best pieces that I have read on this subject, mainly I suppose due to my own personal experiences recently. To me Ahimsa is All, in every form and phase because utimately all movement is injurious to some being or other. Even if the being is energy packets and parcels. So Ahimsa to me also means non movement, silence, stillness, Brahman............ONS...Tony. community blog is at http://.net/blog/ "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma Visit your group "" on the web. Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 re: =="I love Ahimsa people (as long they don't start roughing up the non-Ahimsa people)! "== why the clause 'as long as...', harsha? is not love unconditional? if not unconditional, can it be love? love, k > > Love to all > Harsha > ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click./97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/bpSolB/TM --~-> community blog is at http://.net/blog/ "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 kutasthah wrote: > re: > =="I love Ahimsa people (as long they don't start roughing up the > non-Ahimsa people)! "== > > why the clause 'as long as...', harsha? > is not love unconditional? > if not unconditional, can it be love? > love, > k > Probably not. There is a saying but I forgot who said it, "I love man kind, its people I can't stand." :-). That's totally not true about me! I love people! Sorry for the inside joke. Sri Tony is a big Ahimsa guy and in the past has lovingly and gently roughed up non-vegetarians on the list. So I was teasing him a bit playing on words. I think some of the humor here involves knowing list history. My love, my human love, definitely flows out easier when people are agreeable and nice to me. Some thing I plan to work on during my self-improvement week in the summer. As far as Divine love goes, hey buckets full for everyone. I am not hoarding that stuff! Take as much as you like! Love to all Harsha ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click./.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/bpSolB/TM --~-> community blog is at http://.net/blog/ "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Slowly slowly O mind, everything in own pace happens Gardner may water a hundred buckets, fruit arrives only in its season Kabir ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click./_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/bpSolB/TM --~-> community blog is at http://.net/blog/ "Love itself is the actual form of God." Sri Ramana In "Letters from Sri Ramanasramam" by Suri Nagamma <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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