Progressions: Andrew

January 21, 2002

Dear Robert

Well it is just as you calculate vimshottari using the Moon and its

progression through the nakshatras. You just do it for all of the planets.

He said he met a Sihk astrologer who did this and made some excellent long

term observations of his chart. I see little difference to this and western

progressions which I feel also offer excellent results. Pundit last week

told me he himself was also very impressed with western progressions. I have

been looking into tertiary progressions as I now have the software to do

them.

Pundit told me he met a Singahlese astrologer in Sri Lanka who made about 5

predictions on his chart using western progressions. Every date and event

was so totally correct Pundit has never forgotten this. What was also very

interesting is he said to me "lets look at the day of my heart attack when I

was clinically dead to see what the progressions were" I cast a tertiary

progressed chart and his progressed Moon was exactly conjunct Saturn and

aspected exactly by progressed Mars in a hard mutual square aspect. This was

very interesting as Cancer was also the lagna rising in the progressed

chart. If there was ever an aspect to die by it was this!! I have no

problems with both secondary or tertiary progressed charts as they are based

on sound mathematics. I have never done them before as I have always used

Parasharas Light or P.C Jyotish which are purely Vedic programs.

You may have seen my posting regarding the nasdaq chart and the indications

of a fall in the stockmarket this coming weekend. This Uranus ingress in

very interesting in terms of the U.S. Firstly it will become exactly square

to the Saturn at 00 degrees in the inauguaration chart 2nd house. Apart from

all the aspects in the nasdaq chart including the nodes at 00 degrees

Aq/Leo, there is the fact if you tertiary progress the inauguration chart,

Mars also ends up at 00 degrees Scorpio. So in terms of the inauguration

chart we have Mars square Uranus who is square Saturn who opposes Mars. This

may trigger a very sudden violent act as well. Next Monday is full Moon day

and on Tuesday Moon will also pass 00 degrees Leo putting it in in aspect to

Uranus, Saturn and tertiary progressed Mars. Any astrologer would agree

these are explosive aspects and explosive event usually go down on a

Tuesday.

As a side issue I was reading a book about Australia's history and couldn't

believe how many of the worst bushfires occured on a Tuesday. They all had a

name like "black Tuesday" or something similar. There is also the

probability of nothing happening at this time but I strongly suspect

something major. My Pundit says Uranus in Aquarius must bring reform and

humanitarian concerns to the fore. Unfortunately it takes a September 11th

style incident to occur before people start to question just what is

important in life.

Andrew

> Dear Andrew,

>

> At 06:45 PM 1/21/02 +1100, you wrote:

>

> >Another interesting but seldom used technique is to progress all the

> >planets like the Moon in vimshottari. My Pundit did some interesting

> >research on this and I have the print-outs of the charts of all the

timing

> >for doing this depending where the natal planet is located.............

>

> Sounds interesting. Could you be more specific as to how these

> progressions are calculated? Thanks!

>

> Robert

>

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> Faculty member SJVC and ACVA

> Phone: 541-318-0248

> visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

> rk. rk

>

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>

January 22, 2002

> Sounds interesting. Could you be more specific as

to how these

progressions are calculated? Thanks!<

Robert,

The nakshatra Moon progression was discussed on

another list. I think this is the same technique

Andrew is referring to.

Here is an example-

J F Kennedy 29 May 1917 3pm TZ5 Brookline

MA

Assassination 22 Nov 1963

This event happened in his Jupiter MD. ie the Mo had

progressed from Purva Phalguni to Vishaka.

The nakshatra progressed Mo at Nov 1963 was 14.5%

into the nakshatra Vishaka or 21*56' Libra.

This becomes a sensitive point for transits etc.

At the event this point was conjunct Transit Neptune

and Trined by Tr Rahu.

It's D30 division falls in the 8H of natal D30

(Trimsamsa).

Take the D8 division of this point -25Vi 30. This

is closely conjunct natal ascendent.

Dasas can be initiated from other planets(as karakas)

and the ascendent. Eg to confirm death the dasas can

be started from Sa and progression of Sa can be

followed.

Regards

Ron

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January 22, 2002

Dear Robert

Another thing about this idea of planets being in trine is going to appear

this weekend also. Sun, Mercury and Neptune will be trine to Saturn. They

all fall together in the navamsha in Taurus. Mars and Uranus are 40 degrees

apart so are also in the same navamsha. Mars and Rahu also fall 80 degrees

apart so are also on the same navamsha. Another aspect that has been mostly

ignored is transit Uranus in exact trine to Rahu within 1 degree. This puts

Mars, Rahu and Uranus all together in navamsha.

There are some potent powers gathering on a full Moon. I was just sent an

email from America where someone called Ray Merriman also is vary of this.

He mentions chemical weapons as Neptune is involved. Excuse my ignorance but

I have no actual idea who Ray is. He is obviously a keen watcher of the

stockmarkets as the posting I was sent reveals he has great knowledge of

these things.

I notice when Uranus gets involved in these things revolutions and uprisings

can happen also. Rons spin on the JFK chart is very true. I don't dismiss

the outer planets- particularly when they become very close to important

inner planets.

Beginners may be unaware that planets in multiples of 40 degrees apart are

conjunct in navamsha.

Andrew

January 22, 2002

Robert and Ron,

Ron, this is my understanding too. Goravani Jyotish can calculate the

dashas from all the planets and all the house cusps. Click on the "L"

button down in the lower right hand corner of the opening page. (this is

at least how my ancient 1.92 version is configured) One can then figure out

where the progressed planet would be at a particular time in the dasha.

Time converted into space. It's a experimenter's dream come true.

Chris

At 02:02 AM 1/22/02 -0800, Ron Day wrote:

>> Sounds interesting. Could you be more specific as

>to how these

> progressions are calculated? Thanks!<

>

>Robert,

>The nakshatra Moon progression was discussed on

>another list. I think this is the same technique

>Andrew is referring to.

>

>Here is an example-

>J F Kennedy 29 May 1917 3pm TZ5 Brookline

>MA

>Assassination 22 Nov 1963

>

>This event happened in his Jupiter MD. ie the Mo had

>progressed from Purva Phalguni to Vishaka.

>The nakshatra progressed Mo at Nov 1963 was 14.5%

>into the nakshatra Vishaka or 21*56' Libra.

>This becomes a sensitive point for transits etc.

>At the event this point was conjunct Transit Neptune

>and Trined by Tr Rahu.

>

>It's D30 division falls in the 8H of natal D30

>(Trimsamsa).

>Take the D8 division of this point -25Vi 30. This

>is closely conjunct natal ascendent.

>

>Dasas can be initiated from other planets(as karakas)

>and the ascendent. Eg to confirm death the dasas can

>be started from Sa and progression of Sa can be

>followed.

>

>Regards

>Ron

>

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>

January 22, 2002

Dear Andrew,

Thanks for the progression update. I wasn't aware that astrologers are

doing this, so that is a new one to try out.

Regarding 'western' progressions: Evidently, there are a variety of

progressions that are similar in nature in some very old Vedic books as

well. The one that I have been made aware of, is the Manu

Smriti. Progressions by one Ephemeris day = one month (Tertiary), or one

day = one year (Secondary), were known about and practised in those Vedic

times as well. They use other progressions also, such as: progressing the

Sun at one Navamsa per year (3:20 d.), until the degree of Venus or other

karaka for marriage is reached, and then time the marriage. Or, progress

the Sun at 1:30 d. per year (1:30 is one Vimsamsa), until Jupiter or other

karaka for spirituality is reached, for timing spiritual initiation,

meeting the guru, etc. Similarly, the starting point can be the sun, the

lagna, or other karakas, at increments of other divisions, to time affairs

related to those vargas.

Anyway, regarding Tertiary and Secondaries: astrologers need not be

fanatical about one school or the other (Vedic or western), and rather use

what works. In my experience, striking correspondences between events and

progressions according to these methods, are found consistently, especially

when the Tertiary or Secondary stations occur. In the year when my 12th

house Mercury in Virgo, for example, stationed by Secondary progression, I

started studying Jyotish like there was no tomorrow, and my life changed

for good after that. That's just one out of many examples. Rick Houck, in

fact, did much convincing research re: Tertiary stations, and

correspondences with significant events. Tertiaries may be more

significant vis a vis outer planets, because the time lapse is much faster.

Anyway, that's it, I'm out, more later..........

Robert

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty member SJVC and ACVA

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk

January 22, 2002

Dear Ron,

At 02:02 AM 1/22/02 -0800, you wrote:

>Robert,

>The nakshatra Moon progression was discussed on

>another list. I think this is the same technique

>Andrew is referring to.

>

>Here is an example-

>J F Kennedy 29 May 1917 3pm TZ5 Brookline

>MA

>Assassination 22 Nov 1963

>

>This event happened in his Jupiter MD. ie the Mo had

>progressed from Purva Phalguni to Vishaka.

>The nakshatra progressed Mo at Nov 1963 was 14.5%

>into the nakshatra Vishaka or 21*56' Libra.

>This becomes a sensitive point for transits etc.

>At the event this point was conjunct Transit Neptune

>and Trined by Tr Rahu.

>

>It's D30 division falls in the 8H of natal D30

>(Trimsamsa).

>Take the D8 division of this point -25Vi 30. This

>is closely conjunct natal ascendent.

>

>Dasas can be initiated from other planets(as karakas)

>and the ascendent. Eg to confirm death the dasas can

>be started from Sa and progression of Sa can be

>followed.

OK, very good, this is good food. Thanks for that!

So, then, this would re-adjust your orientation to many natal

configurations in a chart. With a given stressful grouping of natal

malefic aspects, for example, to some planet or significator, you would

think to remind yourself when the Moon or other significator would progress

to conjoin one of the key planets in that configuration, right? Is that

what you would do? Or, you could set your software to show you when

transit planets would come to the sensitive progressed degree? Anyway, any

more demonstrations on how you use this, would be good.

Robert

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty member SJVC and ACVA

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk

January 22, 2002

Dear Andrew,

I've been also absolutely aware of the fact that (western, as you say)

progressions work- as well as change of direction for both inner and outer

planets: they are proven prediction tools- they always work: I haven't seen yet

progesssion(s) or change of sign or planetary direction failed to coincide with

outer significant events.

However, I've started to question if they are necessary in Vedic astrology? I

just want to share my experience: when I had NDE, my progressed Moon was (also)

conjuct Saturn- along with other progressions' indications..but it's not

relevant for what I want to communicate... Robert Koch made that prediction far

in advance with an amazing acuracy!!!(suggesting that I be aware about my

health, along with so precise diagnosis and description of my condition that

doctors can only dream about!!) which he supported, in his easy to understand,

analytical way with the VEDIC facts ONLY, based on my chart(s)- I remember, he

told me once at the list, that when I knew vedic rules well , I wouldn't need

progressions, and western tools that I've been experienced with- I apreciate

very much his openess to accept others' opinions, and not forcing his on

anybody, not insisting on what he knows is right- rather letting you find out

yourself... While I was respectful of his opinion the very first time he told

that, after this experience, he "won me over"- I really question now if that's

lack of vedic knowledge that makes us search for additional tools? I will

certainly look at progressions at least until I become more knowledgable in

vedic a., but the question is/will be still valid, I guess. (MO).

Thanks,

A.

PS: I am not regularly on the net, don't read mail often, sorry if I missed something..

January 22, 2002

> So, then, this would re-adjust your orientation to

> many natal

> configurations in a chart. With a given stressful

> grouping of natal

> malefic aspects, for example, to some planet or

> significator, you would

> think to remind yourself when the Moon or other

> significator would progress

> to conjoin one of the key planets in that

> configuration, right? Is that

> what you would do? Or, you could set your software

> to show you when

> transit planets would come to the sensitive

> progressed degree? Anyway, any

> more demonstrations on how you use this, would be

> good.

Robert,

This technique has only recently emerged from it's

hiding place. For future research the following could

be considered.

1. Aspects of the nakshatra progressed Mo (or other

karaka) to natal planets,cusps or sahams

2.Transits to the progressed Mo point which include

prior eclipses.

3.Varga positions of the progressed Mo point in

varga charts or natal chart overlay.

Regards

Ron

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January 22, 2002

Ron: "2.Transits to the progressed Mo point which include prior eclipses."

Robert:

Or you could set your software> to show you when > transit planets would come to

the sensitive> progressed degree?

It seems to me that this question implies another one:if that comparison btw.

"fictive" facts, as progr.'s are, and REAL, factual movement of planets, i.e.

transit, is possible. I don't think so. That's, IMO mix of completely

different levels- progressed planets can be compared with natal , so can tr.

planets.

Eclipses are transit issue, of course.

As far as I know and have experienced so far, progressions being rather

"mystical"-direct, as well as converse, secondary, tertiary progressions...they

all work, indeed, but they are of "unknown nature", nobody knows why- and cannot

be mixed with real planetary movement. Tr. planets triggering natal, that's ok.

Progressions serve to tell us in advance that a major occurrence will happen

in, say, couple of months- then we look at transits, eclipses, other sensitive

points. Information is available, but not in that direct way as is the

transiting "hit" over progressed point;rather in a symbolic way, bearing the

meaning of the progr.'s, only. I've read from some (western) authors that they

do that in support of (most often "post factum) prediction, as well as

(majority) opinions that it's like mixing orange juice with milk- hard to

swallow.

Others may have different opinions. Would be nice to hear.

Thanks.

A.

-

Ron Day

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Tuesday, January 22, 2002 9:44 PM

Re: [GJ] Progressions: Andrew

> So, then, this would re-adjust your orientation to> many natal >

configurations in a chart. With a given stressful> grouping of natal >

malefic aspects, for example, to some planet or> significator, you would >

think to remind yourself when the Moon or other> significator would progress >

to conjoin one of the key planets in that> configuration, right? Is that >

what you would do? Or, you could set your software> to show you when > transit

planets would come to the sensitive> progressed degree? Anyway, any > more

demonstrations on how you use this, would be> good.Robert,This technique has

only recently emerged from it'shiding place. For future research the following

couldbe considered.1. Aspects of the nakshatra progressed Mo (or otherkaraka)

to natal planets,cusps or sahams2.Transits to the progressed Mo point which

include prior eclipses.3.Varga positions of the progressed Mo point in varga

charts or natal chart

overlay.RegardsRonDo You

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January 22, 2002

Dear Andrew,

I've been also absolutely aware of the fact that (western, as you say)

progressions work- as well as change of direction for both inner and outer

planets: they are proven prediction tools- they always work: I haven't seen yet

progesssion(s) or change of sign or planetary direction failed to coincide with

outer significant events.

We will all see this week with Uranus moving Rasi's. I don't like using the term

"western" or "eastern astrology" as both have valid techniques. I do however

place a huge difference between the tropically cast chart and the sidereal. My

teacher always says there is no western astrology. There is simply astrology as

there always has been, briefly some have lost their way with the wrong

calculations but given time the sidereal zodiac will prevail.