Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Hi Savant you wrote <<And there are dozens of other dasha systems .Some good Jyotishis do not even use Vimshottari dasa .I've travelled in India I know .>> me Yes, some jyotishis do not use Vimsottari dasa, it is a question of choice. My school says that just travelling to holy places is a waste of time, we have to mix with people from those places to hopefully get the real knowledge. you<<On this basis there is no reason to assign Bharani Venus qualities otherwise you might as well give it Rahu's qualities also since Asttotari is applicable to a big percentage of charts>> me You are assuming here that Parasara Muni did not know his job? Parasara had his reason to assign Venus to Bharani because this constellation is ruled as you must know from your travels in India, by Lord Yamaraja, or the superintendent of death. At one point in Vedic history, Venus which is Sukracharia or the guru to the asuras or demons, was one of the few demigods to have the secret of how to bring back a soul from the realm of death provided that the death body was still fresh and intact. Instead of assuming things you could better advance in vedic astrology, if you just follow Parasara or any other father of vedic astrology, with a humble attitude. A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous. you <<My only point here is that the Navamsa is the secondary level of intepretation. In other words the padas of Bharani already have a sublord.>. me According to whom? I have heard that for some vedic astrologers, the navamsa is the primary level. They give accurate readings and predictions by ONLY reading the navamsa. You <<>Well I must be the king of the fools as I feel this idea of using all these multiple dasha systems is the greatest heap of bullshit infecting theselists.<<I agree with you entirely. It is terrible these gurus inflict beginners with systems they themselves cannot show any usefulness for. However let us properly understand the framework of jyotish and not rashly assert that Bharani has Venus qualities .>> me I cannot speak for all those gurus that you mention but i am sure that many of them can explain to their students a useful path.Regarding the Venus qualities, i have already clarified that issue above. you <<The difficulty I have is that some of these jyotishis have been practising 10 20 or even 30 years and it hasn't occured to them that Bharani really does not have Venus qualities. One might make reference to the womb or procreation but we could just as easily say Saturn or Ketu since it is ruled by Yama God of death.>> me There is something missing here. First, i have been studying astrology for more than 30 years and i do not have the problem that you mention. I think that Sukracharia fullfils all the qualities for Bharani. Secondly, if i have not seen positive results by now, i should study something else instead of wasting my time, you do not thing so? Best wishes Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Yes, I am Sag lagna but I don't think it was daylight savings time. So tell me WHAT stands out like a neon sign? The dasha, the transits? How can I use this information to avoid more accidents? c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 So you take the dasa lord ( saturn ) and count eight from there? If, in a person's chart, a person's bhukti is, say, 2nd from the dasa lord, would this mean money coming ( or going), or in third there is a short trip, and etcetera? c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Dear Calla, It would help to have a more precise date to go on. But assuming that the accident occurred towards the end of 1990 you would have been running SA-ME-MA dasa. Saturn in the 3rd house of short journeys is being influenced by Mercury who is in the 8th from (dasa lord) Saturn. The 8th (natural house of Mars moolatrikona sign) is the house of accidents. Therefore during the bhukti of a planet in 8th from dasa lord we can expect similar results as if it were actually occupying the 8th house itself. Further to this your pratyantar lord Mars (the planet of accidents) is occupying the 8th house itself. So we can see (like a neon sign) that the potential for accidents is there. The transit of 8th lord Moon would probably be the catalyst that triggered this event, but without a more precise date it's pointless looking, as Moon moves so quickly. Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ . Thanks Wendy! Yes, I am Sag lagna but I don't think it was daylight savings time. So tell me WHAT stands out like a neon sign? The dasha, the transits? How can I use this information to avoid more accidents? c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 My apologies: Scorpio (natural owner of 8th house) is Mars "own sign" not "moolatrikona"...way past my bedtime, I'm afraid :-( But none-the-less it doesn't change the validity of 8th house and it's relationship with Mars and accidents. Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Calla, It would help to have a more precise date to go on. But assuming that the accident occurred towards the end of 1990 you would have been running SA-ME-MA dasa. Saturn in the 3rd house of short journeys is being influenced by Mercury who is in the 8th from (dasa lord) Saturn. The 8th (natural house of Mars moolatrikona sign) is the house of accidents. Therefore during the bhukti of a planet in 8th from dasa lord we can expect similar results as if it were actually occupying the 8th house itself. Further to this your pratyantar lord Mars (the planet of accidents) is occupying the 8th house itself. So we can see (like a neon sign) that the potential for accidents is there. The transit of 8th lord Moon would probably be the catalyst that triggered this event, but without a more precise date it's pointless looking, as Moon moves so quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Got it! cynthia - Andrew Lynn <skinbags <gjlist> Monday, January 21, 2002 1:55 AM Re: [GJ] Inventing new rules > > > > > Dear Andrew > > The message you are so vociferously trashing me on was NOT written by me. > > I know! it was directed to Savant. He knew it and I thought you would also. > I was not attacking you or him for that matter, I was just fiercely > questioning his comment that Mars actually rules Bharani. > > > I began this particular thread because a well known Vedic astrologer > > suggested that the planetary lordship for the nakshatras was merely for > > their placement in the dasha system. > > This was what I was questioning. Why have you taken this as an attack on > you? > > > I, in fact if you had read my message, > > questioned this and questioned how Bharani such a Venusian symbol could be > > ruled by MArs simply from its placement in the constellation. I was > > awaiting the writer's response. > > And I was on your side!! Such a blanket statement that Mars actually rules > Bharani couldn't be left unchallenged. For the sake of beginners it had to > be clarified. If that takes a bit of the fire element- so be it. Remember it > takes a big fire to burn up all the rubbish. LOL > > > > I appreciate you response but your tone leaves much to be desired. > > Don't let my direct comments worry you. I have Mars aspecting my Moon in the > 7th house. This in particular gives me the propensity to upset women without > even trying. I have no axe to grind with you. > > Andrew > > > > cynthia > > - > > Andrew Lynn <skinbags > > <gjlist> > > Sunday, January 20, 2002 1:47 AM > > [GJ] Inventing new rules > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Cynthia > > > > > > Bharani is completely contained within the sign of Aries and so is ruled > > by > > > the planet Mars and it is seen to have Martian qualities. > > > > > > This is totally misleading for students of Vedic astrology. The 12 > Rashi's > > > are divided into a triplicity of four signs ruled by each element. Each > > four > > > signs contains 9 nakshatras which in turn are ruled by the nine planets > > > starting from Ketu, Venus, Sun, Moon, Mars, Rahu, Jupiter, Saturn and > > > Mercury. Bharani is ruled by Venus being the 2nd Nakshatra. Being in the > > > sign of Mars it contains qualities of Mars as the rashi represents the > > > Sthoola or gross level of manifestation of the nakshatra.The nakshatra > > ruler > > > is the jeeva or soul level of manifestation so there is actually a > > blending > > > of both Mars and Venus with Bharani. After all its symbol is the yoni or > > > female vagina which has both qualities of Mars and Venus. Bharani > relates > > to > > > procreation which involves BOTH Mars and Venus. > > > > > > > > > .Some may argue > > > that at a secondary level some Venus influence is there but at the > > > secondary > > > level we look to Navamsa and the first pada is Leo and hence has > > qualities > > > of that sign and ruler. > > > > > > The "some" you mention would be every clear thinking Vedic astrologer in > > the > > > world. The second statement means you also think Bharani has the > qualities > > > of the Sun and Leo which you will need to clarify with more than the > fact > > > the first pada is Leo. How then does the Sun play a part in meaningful > > > interpretation of this nakshatra? If a planet is placed in the first > pada, > > > yes, it has influence on that planet- but how does Leo influence Bharani > > in > > > general?? > > > > > > > > > The conclusion is that the Lorships associates > > > with Nakshatra is used only for timing purposes > > > > > > Says who?? So according to your thinking, if the natal Moon falls in > > Bharani > > > and Venus dasha rules for 20 important years in your early life, the > > > position of Venus in the chart is superfluous and of little importance? > > This > > > is utter and total nonsense and could only come from somebody who has no > > > actual idea of how to read a horoscope. The ruler of a nakshatra where a > > > planet is placed natally will show how that planet functions on an inner > > > level of the mind in particular. I will give you an example. G.W. Bush > has > > > his lagna lord Moon in Chitra ruled by Mars, his Mars falls in Leo, the > > > firey powerful sign of the King. His manner, mind and thinking is direct > > and > > > he will use force, power and even violence to impose his thinking. This > > has > > > been shown by his term as Governor where he oversaw and approved many > > > executions and his time as President where he has made very concise and > > > sharp decisions to attack Afghanistan. According to your rules the > > nakshatra > > > of Chitra is ruled by Mercury who falls in the sensitive sign of Cancer > > for > > > Bush. Now I ask you- does this apply given what we have seen of Bush??? > > > > > > > > > and this is confirmed by the > > > fact that in dasha systems other than Vimshottari DIFFERENT PLANETS > ARE > > > ASSIGNED AS LORDS OF THE NAKSHATRAS . Those who argue otherwise argue > > most > > > foolishly . > > > > > > Well I must be the king of the fools as I feel this idea of using all > > these > > > multiple dasha systems is the greatest heap of bullshit infecting these > > > lists. I have yet to see even one decent interpretation of a chart from > > the > > > people who promote all these dasha systems. As an intellectual form of > > study > > > I see no problem with exploring other dasha systems, but until I see it > > > applied realistically and practically in chart interpretation, it will > > stay > > > just another astrological theory to me. Instead of putting up such > > > misleading statements- post a chart of a prominent person and explain > your > > > points clearly and precisely where everybody can see whether your ideas > > are > > > sound or not. Many beginners who read this list and are confused enough > > > already- I have enough trouble understanding some of the nonsense I read > > and > > > I've been on the lists for years....... > > > > > > Skinbags > > > > > > P.S New Vedic Group www.muruga/ bullshit free > zone. > > > > > > > Savant > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > > > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 There are no new rules, there cannot be as we have not yet understood astrology in toto. Astrology (hindu) is a vast ocean. At best in one life a person can master only few aspects. One needs more than one life to really become a "master" in astrology. Coming to dasha systems. Parashara has given around 54 different dashas to be used. Out of these some are general dashas and some are conditional dashas. General dashas are Vimshottri, Yogini, Kalchakra dashas etc., Conditional dashas are Shodashattri, Chatur-sheeti Sama dasha, Dwi-Saptati-Sama dasha etc., which apply only when a specific condition is there in the chart. So view it in this perspective. Manoj Send FREE video emails in Mail! http://promo./videomail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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