Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Wendy you wrote <<If you'd read the thread properly you would have seen that my response was to a post that specifically cited BPHS as the authority for 5/9 Nodal aspects. >> >>>Namaste Wendy and Deepak,In his new book James Braha says, Rahu and Ketu aspects 5th and 9th according to sage Parashara in BPHS and he finds that to be true in his 20 year experience.Hari OMHari Das<<< me First of all, it seems that you have forgotten to quote exactly what i was ASKING. This is your full posting. your wrote <<Nowhere in BPHS are there any aspects given for the Nodes. It's frequently stated (for instance) "If Rahu aspects this planet or that, such & such result will occur". But it must be remembered that both aspects and conjunctions are referred to simply as an "aspect". You will also find statements like "When Mercury (or Venus) aspect Sun..." We all know it's not possible for these planets to aspect each other, except by conjunction...>> you <<Nowhere in BPHS are there any aspects given for the Nodes>> me Are you saying that any information outside the BPHS is not valid? **** I did ask this question to clarify. According to the modes of nature i have seen a sectarian approach when saying "everything is given in this book". How is it possible to limit a transcendental information? Lord Brahma was given by Lord Kishna only few seed words, and Brahma expanded that information to the 4 vedas etc for us to understand. Then again, because trancendental knowledge is in touch with the material energy, there is the tendency for corruption, omission, distortion or misunderstanding. Therefore, Krishna promises to restore that knowledge everytime when it is lost. I did take a careful consideration to your specific answer regarding the "authority" for 5/9 Nodal aspects as seen in the BPHS. you wrote <<But it must be remembered that both aspects and conjunctions are referred to simply as an "aspect". me Parasara does not say simple an "aspect" he mentions dristi which it can be translated or understood as "to see", "to show". The interpretation of the word is open to all according to the modes of nature or liberated state. There are hundreds of translations of the Bhagavad Gita, and each author translates or explains the Gita according to his/her understanding, and his/her students in time will as well understand according to their own nature. What i understand now is dinamic, my understanding of a thing may change in the future. Knowledge is a dinamic thing and not static. I quote <<In his new book James Braha says, Rahu and Ketu aspects 5th and 9th according to sage Parashara in BPHS>> Perhaps Braha was told that from his teachers or perhaps he understood in that way. Dristi is open to understanding. We need the key of what a dristi really is for Rahu and Ketu. The word dristi is open to understanding. I have seen astrologers saying that the nodes do not have aspect or that they have an especial dristi. I have seeing and astrologer considering the 12th house dristi of Rahu as the 2nd from Rahu. He reasons that the 12th dristi should be taken from Rahu's retrograde motion and his position in the chart. To me that is his understanding. This is my personal understanding of Rahu's 12th dristi. The 12th dristi from Rahu should be accounted from Rahu's position in the chart. Because Rahu is always vakra or retrograde, Rahu is already aspecting the sign which he is going to be next, or the 12th from him as in the chart. I understand that Ketu has not dristi except for his sign occupied (being more a shanga (association) than dristi (aspect or vision)) but dristi can be also be applied in Ketu's case because of the nature of vision and because of Ketu being the tail of Rahu. With vision we can "touch" things. We can "feel" as well as when we see an artistic object. That feeling or vision may be different to each expectator according to the aesthetic. I can add this as well you wrote <<You will also find statements like "When Mercury (or Venus) aspect Sun..." We all know it's not possible for these planets to aspect each other, except by conjunction...>> Of course, we all know that in the rules relating the rasi, those planets cannot aspect each other, but in my understanding, it is possible for those planets to aspect each other when reading the divisional charts. Are you sure that the great Parasara was talking about aspects in a rasi? In my understanding, Parasara would not have had lost time in writing like that. "When Mercury (or Venus) aspect Sun..." For a person as Parasara that gave us the basis of Vedic astrology, could not have had lost time in referring to a redundant line. Parasara could had very well written shanga or associating instead of dristi or "aspect", if that was his intention. To me it is inconcebible that a person like Parasara got lost for words, unless he was "tired or sleppeing" when he wrote the BPHS. Also, in the way that i understand aspect is dristi or vision. By dristi it may mean "to see" but when interpreting from Sanskrit, a guru or guide, expert in the meaning of the lines is very important. you wrote <<If Rahu aspects this planet or that, such & such result will occur">> me The word aspect is given in the translation which should be "vision". In Sanskrit, many times a simple word is hidden a knowledge that a guru is supposed to give to the student according to the branch of knowledge refered to. Take for instance the word yoga. To many people in the west it MAY mean Hatta yoga, but when the same Sanskrit word is refered to astrology, it may mean a planetary combination and there are many uses as well within astrology to the word as in NITYA yoga etc. Best wishes Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Dear Natabara, Wendy, and all, I apologize for butting in on this exchange, I mean no disrespect to either of you. This is primarily aimed at newbies, who have only read English translations of Sanskrit works. The word "aspect" has been used like a "one size fits all" t-shirt by many translators. Parashar makes a clear distinction between "drishti" ie. vision, and "yoga" ie. a given combination of planets. This combination could be a conjunction, exchange of houses, square, trine, sextile, opposition, or any specific placement. Jupiter, Saturn and Mars have been given special vision. Jupiter "sees" 5, 7 and 9 houses from own position. Saturn "sees" houses 3, 7 and 10 from own position and Mars "sees" houses 4, 7, and 10 from own position. Jupiter sees a house, like a mother watching over her child at play. The child may trip and fall, but the mother is there to soothe and comfort. The child may indulge in mischief, but the mother is there to discipline the child. The vision is pure, good and comforting. The house feels comforted, just like a child in the presence of its mother. Mars is an aggressor, a bully. It sees a house the way a competitor does, resulting in conflict. The same way that a sibling may try to grab a mother's attention, making the first child feel insecure and hostile. This conflict can affect a house either positively or negatively, depending on other factors in the chart. The vision is competitive, aggressive and demanding. Saturn is like a strict headmistress. Have you done your homework, or shall I call your parents? It imposes restrictions, tests the patience of the child, sometimes a touch too coldly. Saturn sees a house with inherent coldness. Imposes restrictions, obstacles on the significations of the house. Humbles, sometimes destroys, depending on other factors in the chart. Sometimes builds character, imparts wisdom. I have applied this simplistic approach, because I believe in the KISS (Keep It Simple, Silly) philosophy. Jupiter "sees" a house is not the same as Jupiter forming a trine with a planet in the house. Of course, the planet in the house benefits from Jupiter's pure vision. But benefic effects will be magnified if there is an actual trine taking place. I hope this post is useful to clear the inherent vagueness of "aspect". Must have been coined by someone who had Neptune conjunct Ascendant, just kidding:) Best wishes, K. With vision we can "touch" things. We can "feel" as well as when we see an artistic object. That feeling or vision may be different to each expectator according to the aesthetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 Dear Kundalika, Please forgive this newbie question, but could you clarify something for me? When you say "Jupiter 'sees' 5, 7 and 9 houses from own position", does this mean that if Jupiter is in the 1st house, it "sees" the 6th house as 6 is 5 houses away from 1? What I'm getting at is does such 'sight' always progress in the logical numerical order of the houses or does it work in the reverse direction as well? This idea has really got me fascinated. Thank you, Scott - Kundalika gjlist Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:39 AM Re: [GJ] BPH Jupiter, Saturn and Mars have been given special vision. Jupiter "sees" 5, 7 and 9 houses from own position. Saturn "sees" houses 3, 7 and 10 from own position and Mars "sees" houses 4, 7, and 10 from own position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 Dear Scott! Jupiter sees 5,7 and 9th house from itself. It means if Jupiter is in the 1st house, it aspects the 5th house, 7th house and the 9th house from the 1st house. This is because you have to count the same house also. Say Jupiter is in Aries, which is the Asc. Then Jupiter aspects Leo, which is the 5th house from Aries. And it also aspects Libra(7th house) and Sagitarius (9th house). If you still have questions ask again. Thanks Deepak www.geocities.com/cupofmagic gjlist, "Scott A. Fallin" <saf@n...> wrote: > Dear Kundalika, > > Please forgive this newbie question, but could you clarify something for me? When you say "Jupiter 'sees' 5, 7 and 9 houses from own position", does this mean that if Jupiter is in the 1st house, it "sees" the 6th house as 6 is 5 houses away from 1? What I'm getting at is does such 'sight' always progress in the logical numerical order of the houses or does it work in the reverse direction as well? This idea has really got me fascinated. > > Thank you, > > Scott > - > Kundalika > gjlist > Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:39 AM > Re: [GJ] BPH > > > > Jupiter, Saturn and Mars have been given special vision. Jupiter "sees" 5, 7 and 9 houses from own position. > Saturn "sees" houses 3, 7 and 10 from own position and Mars "sees" houses 4, 7, and 10 from own position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 Dear Deepak, Thank you very much for the clarification. I appreciate it. -Scott - "cupofmagic" <cupofmagic <gjlist> Wednesday, January 16, 2002 11:32 AM Re: [GJ] BPH > Dear Scott! > Jupiter sees 5,7 and 9th house from itself. > It means if Jupiter is in the 1st house, it aspects the 5th house, > 7th house and the 9th house from the 1st house. > This is because you have to count the same house also. > Say Jupiter is in Aries, which is the Asc. > Then Jupiter aspects Leo, which is the 5th house from Aries. > And it also aspects Libra(7th house) and Sagitarius (9th house). > > If you still have questions ask again. > Thanks > Deepak > www.geocities.com/cupofmagic > > gjlist, "Scott A. Fallin" <saf@n...> wrote: > > Dear Kundalika, > > > > Please forgive this newbie question, but could you clarify > something for me? When you say "Jupiter 'sees' 5, 7 and 9 houses > from own position", does this mean that if Jupiter is in the 1st > house, it "sees" the 6th house as 6 is 5 houses away from 1? What > I'm getting at is does such 'sight' always progress in the logical > numerical order of the houses or does it work in the reverse > direction as well? This idea has really got me fascinated. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Scott > > - > > Kundalika > > gjlist > > Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:39 AM > > Re: [GJ] BPH > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Saturn and Mars have been given special vision. > Jupiter "sees" 5, 7 and 9 houses from own position. > > Saturn "sees" houses 3, 7 and 10 from own position and > Mars "sees" houses 4, 7, and 10 from own position. > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 No, it doesnot proceed in the reverse direction. It only holds true in the Aries to Taurus to Gemini direction. You cannot say that since Saturn is is Aries, it "sees" Aquarius. It sees Gemini, Libra and Capricorn. This concept of "vision" is very important in interpreting a chart. For eg., Mars in seventh may indicate trouble with spouse or partners, but it sees the tenth (most translators say it aspects the tenth). This vision imparts Martian qualities to the tenth house, so the native could be an authority figure. In fact, one of the first things I do when I look at a chart is to check out the houses which receive the vision from Jupiter, Mars and Saturn. I never used Rahu-Ketu vision, but ever since Natabara's post, am investigating that possibility. Take the example of the fourth house. If it receives a vision from Jupiter, its a plus. But a vision from Mars is a minus. This will change if we consider the tenth house. Any vision from Saturn and Mars to the tenth will make the native ambitious, authoritative, and therefore cannot be termed as a minus. The concept of vision solves a lot of mysteries. Sometimes there are unexpected delays or obstacles in the significations of a house, even though there are no planets occupying or opposing it. Applying the vision concept will help in accurate interpretation. Best wishes, K. - Scott A. Fallin gjlist Wednesday, January 16, 2002 6:42 PM Re: [GJ] BPH Dear Kundalika, Please forgive this newbie question, but could you clarify something for me? When you say "Jupiter 'sees' 5, 7 and 9 houses from own position", does this mean that if Jupiter is in the 1st house, it "sees" the 6th house as 6 is 5 houses away from 1? What I'm getting at is does such 'sight' always progress in the logical numerical order of the houses or does it work in the reverse direction as well? This idea has really got me fascinated. Thank you, Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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