Mercury as Badhakesh-dear ravindra

January 15, 2002

dear ravindra

your analogy is quite good.but i was discussing on badhakesh ond not

on malefics. for mithuna and virgo lagnas, jupiter is badhakesh. he

is having kendradhipatya dosha. he doesnot become malefice. he

becomes functional malefic as he cannot gove his good results due to

sheer pressure of woning two kendras. he is a strong graha and he

needs to own two kendras to lose his ability to give good results.

he never becomes a rowdy by being a kendra lord. he creates badha or

obstructions in property matters, and wife, and career. that is it.

regarding the malefics for other lagnas their placement in malefic

houses is good as they lose their power to do bad. see a rowdy who

has been a hero in a cage(12th house) is defiently better than a

rowdy who is roaming on raods(kendras and konas).

regards

partha

gjlist, ravindramani <ravindramani> wrote:

>

> Friends,

> I am not able to understand the basic logic of malefic planets

posited in malefic houses will give good results - i.e. their

maleficity is getting reduced by which we can assume they give good

results.

> Please consider this situation.

> A saintly man meditating and he creates a good vibrations he

lives. Another two saintly men joining him start meditating and in

turn they produce more spiritual vibrations. One can very well

understand this.

> A rowdy element creating all kind of troubles in your locality and

he is joined by another rowdy will you feel that now the troubles

will get reduced ? No. The first one is getting stroner by the

addition and will make more troubles. I personally feel this.

> In the same way a malefic house producing maleficity and further a

malefic planet ( either a malefic or a planet which has acquired the

functional maleficity )is going there. Will that place produce more

maleficince or beneficince?

> Bear with my ignorance.

> regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

>

> partvinu5 <partvinu5> wrote: dear nicholas

> i do agree that the quadrant and trine lords are powerful in

> quadrants and trines. but for the mercury lagnas and jupiter

lagnas,

> the respective badhakesh could lose their maleficeince to certain

> extent if they are in dusthansa. isn't it. i have read that mercury

> for dhanu lagna is best placed in 6th then followed by 3rd and then

> konas. this would reduce its malefiecience. could you kindly

explain

> me if we do not apply the dusthana concept to janma chart then

where

> should we apply it. i mean the kendradhipatya dosha can be reduced

by

> placement in which rasis from the lagna???

>

> regards

> partha

>

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January 15, 2002

regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

partvinu5 <partvinu5 > wrote: dear ravindrayour analogy is quite

good.but i was discussing on badhakesh ond not on malefics. for mithuna and

virgo lagnas, jupiter is badhakesh. he is having kendradhipatya dosha. he

doesnot become malefice. he becomes functional malefic as he cannot gove his

good results due to sheer pressure of woning two kendras. he is a strong graha

and he needs to own two kendras to lose his ability to give good results.he

never becomes a rowdy by being a kendra lord. he creates badha or obstructions

in property matters, and wife, and career. that is it.regarding the malefics

for other lagnas their placement in malefic houses is good as they lose their

power to do bad. see a rowdy who has been a hero in a cage(12th house) is

defiently better than a rowdy who is roaming on raods(kendras and

konas).regardspartha

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Why dont we read Karaka adhyaya of BPHS to understand

this.

Manoj

--- partvinu5 <partvinu5 wrote:

> dear ravindra

>

> your analogy is quite good.but i was discussing on

> badhakesh ond not

> on malefics. for mithuna and virgo lagnas, jupiter

> is badhakesh. he

> is having kendradhipatya dosha. he doesnot become

> malefice. he

> becomes functional malefic as he cannot gove his

> good results due to

> sheer pressure of woning two kendras. he is a strong

> graha and he

> needs to own two kendras to lose his ability to give

> good results.

> he never becomes a rowdy by being a kendra lord. he

> creates badha or

> obstructions in property matters, and wife, and

> career. that is it.

>

> regarding the malefics for other lagnas their

> placement in malefic

> houses is good as they lose their power to do bad.

> see a rowdy who

> has been a hero in a cage(12th house) is defiently

> better than a

> rowdy who is roaming on raods(kendras and konas).

>

> regards

> partha

>

> gjlist, ravindramani <ravindramani>

> wrote:

> >

> > Friends,

> > I am not able to understand the basic logic of

> malefic planets

> posited in malefic houses will give good results -

> i.e. their

> maleficity is getting reduced by which we can assume

> they give good

> results.

> > Please consider this situation.

> > A saintly man meditating and he creates a good

> vibrations he

> lives. Another two saintly men joining him start

> meditating and in

> turn they produce more spiritual vibrations. One

> can very well

> understand this.

> > A rowdy element creating all kind of troubles in

> your locality and

> he is joined by another rowdy will you feel that now

> the troubles

> will get reduced ? No. The first one is getting

> stroner by the

> addition and will make more troubles. I personally

> feel this.

> > In the same way a malefic house producing

> maleficity and further a

> malefic planet ( either a malefic or a planet which

> has acquired the

> functional maleficity )is going there. Will that

> place produce more

> maleficince or beneficince?

> > Bear with my ignorance.

> > regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

> >

> > partvinu5 <partvinu5> wrote: dear nicholas

> > i do agree that the quadrant and trine lords are

> powerful in

> > quadrants and trines. but for the mercury lagnas

> and jupiter

> lagnas,

> > the respective badhakesh could lose their

> maleficeince to certain

> > extent if they are in dusthansa. isn't it. i have

> read that mercury

> > for dhanu lagna is best placed in 6th then

> followed by 3rd and then

> > konas. this would reduce its malefiecience. could

> you kindly

> explain

> > me if we do not apply the dusthana concept to

> janma chart then

> where

> > should we apply it. i mean the kendradhipatya

> dosha can be reduced

> by

> > placement in which rasis from the lagna???

> >

> > regards

> > partha

> >

> > Send FREE video emails in Mail.

>

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> Sat

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January 15, 2002

Dear Ravindra

The concept of malefic planets being placed in malefic houses being good is one

of the most controversial in Vedic astrology .

Why some might think like that can be considered at least 2 ways .

Say 8th house rules obstructions and 6th house rules enemies then 8th in 6th

brings obstructions to enemies .

Another way that this is sometimes considererd is that the 6th ,8th and 12th

Lords are like the bar owner ,the brothel owner and the runner of the gambling

den . Not good characters but they might find themselves right at home in the

other's territory . On the other hand they may be ill at ease in places of

pilgrimage .A place of pilgrimage may lose it's potency if many such characters

reside there .

Hope this helps

Nicholas

-

ravindramani

gjlist

Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:29 PM

Re: [GJ] Mercury as Badhakesh-dear ravindra

Dear Partha, Neither i talked of badaka nor the planet one who suffers from

kendradipadi dosha. I simply expressed my inability to understand the logic of

malefic planets posited do good in malefic houses. That is all. regards, C.S.

Ravindramani. partvinu5 <partvinu5 > wrote: dear ravindrayour

analogy is quite good.but i was discussing on badhakesh ond not on malefics.

for mithuna and virgo lagnas, jupiter is badhakesh. he is having kendradhipatya

dosha. he doesnot become malefice. he becomes functional malefic as he cannot

gove his good results due to sheer pressure of woning two kendras. he is a

strong graha and he needs to own two kendras to lose his ability to give good

results.he never becomes a rowdy by being a kendra lord. he creates badha or

obstructions in property matters, and wife, and career. that is it.regarding

the malefics for other lagnas their placement in malefic houses is good as they

lose their power to do bad. see a rowdy who has been a hero in a cage(12th

house) is defiently better than a rowdy who is roaming on raods(kendras and

konas).regardspartha

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January 15, 2002

I Thank you for your comments.

C.S. Ravindramani. Nicholas <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Ravindra

The concept of malefic planets being placed in malefic houses being good is one

of the most controversial in Vedic astrology .

Why some might think like that can be considered at least 2 ways .

Say 8th house rules obstructions and 6th house rules enemies then 8th in 6th

brings obstructions to enemies .

Another way that this is sometimes considererd is that the 6th ,8th and 12th

Lords are like the bar owner ,the brothel owner and the runner of the gambling

den . Not good characters but they might find themselves right at home in the

other's territory . On the other hand they may be ill at ease in places of

pilgrimage .A place of pilgrimage may lose it's potency if many such characters

reside there .

Hope this helps

Nicholas

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January 15, 2002

Dear Deepak

Yes there are problems with malefic lords in malefic houses .Sage Parasara

gives nice qualities to the native who has Lord of the 12th in 8th but it

could also bring some losses to longevity .

Only the good die young : - )

It's not funny! I have this thing and I worry about it all the time. I have mars

in cancer in the eighth house at exactly 28th degree and scorpio lord of the

12th. Mars is also vargottama, Capricorn 28 in Navamsha, and I comfort myself

with this when I get too weirded out wondering who is right and who is wrong

about mars in the eighth.

Once when I was playing with Das' program I found out that the chart mine most

resembles is Buddy Holly's. You have to be pretty calm of mind to digest such

information, which I normally am not.

love,

the other c

January 15, 2002

I simply expressed my inability to understand the logic of malefic planets

posited do good in malefic houses

Sir it seems that the logic is that these influences are neither good or bad of

themselves. Such as mars, this is a terrible, violent planet sometimes but we

need aggression and assertion to move us forward. Sometimes a person has an

enemy and will have to fight or defend himself. Mars also gives strength in

sexual nature, in competition, in motivation; such as a person who wants to

start a business needs a martial attitude, or a person who's faced with a

hardship needs resolve.

So in that these energies are not necessarily always bad ( but one could argue

they are often bad), a malefic in a malefic might give a native the lucky

advantage of being able to muster this energy in the right time and place and

then put it away. In other words, Mars is appropriate on a battlefield but not

at the opera.

I have only had one real experience with my Vipreet Raj yoga in my life, thank

goodness. But this was a car accident in which I was hit by a car on the

driver's side and passed out, the car that hit me was going about forrty five

miles an hour. I don't remember any part of it at all, and the accident ended

up giving the person who hit me something like 180,000 in a settlement. The man

who hit me had a previous injury upon which he blamed this accident, and also

friends in the police department.

So this could have been a *terrible* thing that happened.

But! Other than a shoulder that was sore for about four months, I was absolutely

fine, the insurance company paid the settlement, and I got a new car. Obviously

the man who hit me was even better off. He finally got the medical attention his

old injury had left him with plus $180,000 in a settlement.

Lol, maybe his Mars is the luckiest one.

c

January 15, 2002

Dear Ravindra!

I Agree with nicholas on this.

Dushasana Lords in Dushasana Sthana causes Harsha, Sarla and Vimala

Yoga, which are also called Vipreeta Raja Yogas.

As Nicolas was giving the Logic, it is perfectly fine.

But there are problems, which are faced by native when he has those

yogas. And unless the Lagna is Strong those Yogas may not help the

native. In cases when Lagna is Strong it can also be a boon for

native despite getting obstructions. These planets will give him

Stamina to fight those odds (esp. when 6th is involved).

Thanks

Deepak

gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> Dear Ravindra

> The concept of malefic planets being placed in malefic houses being

good is one of the most controversial in Vedic astrology .

> Why some might think like that can be considered at least 2 ways .

> Say 8th house rules obstructions and 6th house rules enemies then

8th in 6th brings obstructions to enemies .

> Another way that this is sometimes considererd is that the 6th ,8th

and 12th Lords are like the bar owner ,the brothel owner and the

runner of the gambling den . Not good characters but they might find

themselves right at home in the other's territory . On the other hand

they may be ill at ease in places of pilgrimage .A place of

pilgrimage may lose it's potency if many such characters reside

there .

> Hope this helps

> Nicholas

>

> -

> ravindramani

> gjlist

> Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:29 PM

> Re: [GJ] Mercury as Badhakesh-dear ravindra

>

> Dear Partha,

>

> Neither i talked of badaka nor the planet one who suffers from

kendradipadi dosha. I simply expressed my inability to understand the

logic of malefic planets posited do good in malefic houses. That is

all.

>

> regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

>

> partvinu5 <partvinu5> wrote:

>

> dear ravindra

>

> your analogy is quite good.but i was discussing on badhakesh

ond not

> on malefics. for mithuna and virgo lagnas, jupiter is

badhakesh. he

> is having kendradhipatya dosha. he doesnot become malefice. he

> becomes functional malefic as he cannot gove his good results

due to

> sheer pressure of woning two kendras. he is a strong graha and

he

> needs to own two kendras to lose his ability to give good

results.

> he never becomes a rowdy by being a kendra lord. he creates

badha or

> obstructions in property matters, and wife, and career. that is

it.

>

> regarding the malefics for other lagnas their placement in

malefic

> houses is good as they lose their power to do bad. see a rowdy

who

> has been a hero in a cage(12th house) is defiently better than

a

> rowdy who is roaming on raods(kendras and konas).

>

> regards

> partha

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Dear Deepak

Yes there are problems with malefic lords in malefic houses .Sage Parasara

gives nice qualities to the native who has Lord of the 12th in 8th but it

could also bring some losses to longevity .

Only the good die young : - )

Nicholas

-

"cupofmagic" <cupofmagic

Wednesday, January 16, 2002 3:26 AM

Re: [GJ] Mercury as Badhakesh-dear ravindra

> Dear Ravindra!

> I Agree with nicholas on this.

> Dushasana Lords in Dushasana Sthana causes Harsha, Sarla and Vimala

> Yoga, which are also called Vipreeta Raja Yogas.

> As Nicolas was giving the Logic, it is perfectly fine.

> But there are problems, which are faced by native when he has those

> yogas. And unless the Lagna is Strong those Yogas may not help the

> native. In cases when Lagna is Strong it can also be a boon for

> native despite getting obstructions. These planets will give him

> Stamina to fight those odds (esp. when 6th is involved).

>

> Thanks

> Deepak

>

> gjlist, "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Ravindra

> > The concept of malefic planets being placed in malefic houses being

> good is one of the most controversial in Vedic astrology .

> > Why some might think like that can be considered at least 2 ways .

> > Say 8th house rules obstructions and 6th house rules enemies then

> 8th in 6th brings obstructions to enemies .

> > Another way that this is sometimes considererd is that the 6th ,8th

> and 12th Lords are like the bar owner ,the brothel owner and the

> runner of the gambling den . Not good characters but they might find

> themselves right at home in the other's territory . On the other hand

> they may be ill at ease in places of pilgrimage .A place of

> pilgrimage may lose it's potency if many such characters reside

> there .

> > Hope this helps

> > Nicholas

> >

> > -

> > ravindramani

> > gjlist

> > Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:29 PM

> > Re: [GJ] Mercury as Badhakesh-dear ravindra

> >

> > Dear Partha,

> >

> > Neither i talked of badaka nor the planet one who suffers from

> kendradipadi dosha. I simply expressed my inability to understand the

> logic of malefic planets posited do good in malefic houses. That is

> all.

> >

> > regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

> >

> > partvinu5 <partvinu5> wrote:

> >

> > dear ravindra

> >

> > your analogy is quite good.but i was discussing on badhakesh

> ond not

> > on malefics. for mithuna and virgo lagnas, jupiter is

> badhakesh. he

> > is having kendradhipatya dosha. he doesnot become malefice. he

> > becomes functional malefic as he cannot gove his good results

> due to

> > sheer pressure of woning two kendras. he is a strong graha and

> he

> > needs to own two kendras to lose his ability to give good

> results.

> > he never becomes a rowdy by being a kendra lord. he creates

> badha or

> > obstructions in property matters, and wife, and career. that is

> it.

> >

> > regarding the malefics for other lagnas their placement in

> malefic

> > houses is good as they lose their power to do bad. see a rowdy

> who

> > has been a hero in a cage(12th house) is defiently better than

> a

> > rowdy who is roaming on raods(kendras and konas).

> >

> > regards

> > partha

> >

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Dear c no.2

This is the general idea of VRY .After overcoming many obstcales the native is lifted high .

Nicholas

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gjlist

Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:49 AM

Re: [GJ] Mercury as Badhakesh-dear ravindra

In a message dated 01/15/2002 3:31:00 AM Central Standard Time, ravindramani writes:

I simply expressed my inability to understand the logic of malefic planets

posited do good in malefic housesSir it seems that the logic is that these

influences are neither good or bad of themselves. Such as mars, this is a

terrible, violent planet sometimes but we need aggression and assertion to move

us forward. Sometimes a person has an enemy and will have to fight or defend

himself. Mars also gives strength in sexual nature, in competition, in

motivation; such as a person who wants to start a business needs a martial

attitude, or a person who's faced with a hardship needs resolve. So in that

these energies are not necessarily always bad ( but one could argue they are

often bad), a malefic in a malefic might give a native the lucky advantage of

being able to muster this energy in the right time and place and then put it

away. In other words, Mars is appropriate on a battlefield but not at the

opera. I have only had one real experience with my Vipreet Raj yoga in my life,

thank goodness. But this was a car accident in which I was hit by a car on the

driver's side and passed out, the car that hit me was going about forrty five

miles an hour. I don't remember any part of it at all, and the accident ended

up giving the person who hit me something like 180,000 in a settlement. The man

who hit me had a previous injury upon which he blamed this accident, and also

friends in the police department. So this could have been a *terrible* thing

that happened. But! Other than a shoulder that was sore for about four months,

I was absolutely fine, the insurance company paid the settlement, and I got a

new car. Obviously the man who hit me was even better off. He finally got the

medical attention his old injury had left him with plus $180,000 in a

settlement. Lol, maybe his Mars is the luckiest one. c Om Namo Bhagavate

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