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Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Robyn, At 08:59 PM 1/13/02 +0200, resimpson wrote: >Dear Chris, > >Your analysis and discussion of a possible economic meltdown has been >fascinating to read even though I have to look up my books as we go along. >Anything that happens in USA always affects us very badly as well in RSA. >Could you, in a nutshell, sum up your findings on this matter? Or is it too >complex for that? I'm sure it's too complex for that and I haven't thought it through enough. Certainly, this will be the crash that gets a bear market going full bore. It's already been there for almost 2 years but some people have managed to avoid the worst of it. I don't think that's likely. I really have no clue where the markets are going after this. After the 1987 crash, they went sideways for a while but turned upwards again. People who bought the day after the crash were geniuses. Somehow I kind of doubt that strategy will be as rewarded this time. I say that mostly because the May-June period looks so bad for Bush and America (and Bush's cabinet, I'll post Rumsfeld's chart soon), that I can't see the markets prospering at that time either. Maybe after that, it would be a good time to buy stocks worldwide. But who can say? As for the recession generally, it might well last for some time and get worse before it gets better. I don't know much about RSA and how it links to the world economy, but it seems that your economy will slow too. OTOH, since you're big gold producers, maybe that will provide some bounce, since I would expect gold prices to rise during this time of crisis. What are your thoughts? Chris > >Robyn > > >- >"Christopher Kevill" <ckevill ><gjlist>; <jyotish-list >Sunday, January 13, 2002 7:38 PM >[GJ] more stock market mayhem - inauguration chart > > >> Hello All, >> >> After some discussion with my colleague Andrew Lynn, I can better >> appreciate the full extent of the upcoming meltdown in some other charts. >> The obvious and perhaps most reliable chart for matters of national >> importance is the 2001 Inauguration chart of Bush(Jan 20, 2001, 12.02 pm >> Washington, DC). As we know, this chart is severely afflicted and >> compelled many, if not most, astrologers to predict doom and gloom for the >> Bush presidency. This has largely come to pass already and we're only one >> year into it. What's also fascinating is its usefulness in timing >matters. >> >> Most fundamentally, we turn first to transits for Monday Jan 28th 2002. >> Here I'm using unequal sripati houses. As indicated previously, one of >> Houck's great but simple insights was to point out the role of Uranus >> ingresses in stock market drops. This has occurred in the two previous >> Uranus ingresses to the day, including the 1987 crash. What's also >> noteworthy is that transiting Uranus 00Aq07 (the actual ingress occuring >on >> Saturday when the market is closed) is squaring natal Saturn 00Ta18 in the >> Inauguration chart. In this Aries rising chart, Saturn is the 11th lord >of >> gains in the 2nd house of wealth, suggesting sudden or shocking events, >> probably negative given Saturn's maleficence, that will affect the wealth >> of the country. Also notice that transiting Saturn 14Ta21, still >> retrograde, will be less than a degree from the sripati 2nd cusp 14Ta52. >> This is suggests restrictions or loss of wealth. Incredibly, transiting >> Mars 13Pi14 that day is within a couple of degrees of the 12th house cusp >> of 14Pi52. I would interpret this another indicator of loss. >> >> It's also worth noting that transiting Pluto 23Sc08 is moving into an >exact >> square with 2L Venus 24Aq00. This gives a longer term, more solid >> foundation for the huge changes/destruction of wealth that are occurring >> under this presidency. And that day at the opening of trading at 9.30 am >on >> the 28th, transiting Sun 14Cp41, natally in the 10th house, will be in >> exact conjunction with Neptune 14Cp42, suggesting a weakening or >> disappearance of leadership. Will the administration assume a bunker >> mentality and let things unravel too far before intervening or even >> reassuring the public? In addition, transiting retrograde Mercury 12Cp51 >> will be in exact conjunction with natal Neptune 12Cp17 in the 10th. Given >> that Mercury is the planet of communications and rules the 3rd house, >there >> is a sense that communication systems might break down or not function >well >> that day. Not really too surprising perhaps, given that the market >> computers have sometimes overloaded and broken down with large trading >> volumes typical of sharp drops. It might also be the case that we won't >> know what's really going on in the market for a while owing to larger, >> system-wide communication difficulties. >> >> If those transits weren't telling enough, there is a whole other layer of >> progressions that paint the same picture. The natal lagnesh, Mars, which >> so infamously opposes the Asc within 2 degrees natally, will move to >00Sc08 >> by tertiary progression on the 28th. This exactly opposes natal 2H Saturn >> and will be square to the Uranus ingress. A tension filled T-square will >> be so formed here with Saturn, Mars, and Uranus. By minor progression, >the >> Asc moves to 24Ta21, an exact square with 2L Venus 24Aq00. Minor >> progressed MC 1Aq06, is also closely tied to transiting Uranus in early >> Aquarius and is just past an exact square with natal Saturn 00Ta18. (NB: >> Minor progressed angles move about three times faster than tertiary >> progressed angles, about one degree every ten days.) Minor progressed >> Saturn has advanced to 00Ta48 and thus the progressed MC is still in a >> close, less than one degree orb with it. In addition, minor progressed >> Mars (again!) 7Sc40 is exactly opposed natal Jupiter 7Ta27 in the 2H. On >> the basis on these progressions, it's clear that 2nd house matters will be >> the focus of the administration at this time, and given the planets >> involved, it seems inescapable that the events concerned will be negative >> and shocking. >> >> Finally, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that the Inauguration chart >> will be running Merc-Rahu, as it was at the outset. This may or may not >be >> significant for the financial forecast depending on how one interprets >> Rahu. It is in the 3rd house unafflicted, and its dispositor Mercury is >in >> the 10th with Sun, Uranus,and Neptune. It is only 3 degrees from a >> conjunction with Uranus. Worse still, Mars afflicts Mercury almost >exactly >> with less than one degree orb. Clearly, this Mercury will bring sudden >> outbreaks of violence that promise to upset the country and endanger the >> president. But Rahu only can be tied to wealth matters if the nakshatras >> are invoked. Rahu is in Jupiter star, and Jupiter is in tough shape in >the >> 2nd with Saturn, afflicted by Mars' 8H aspect. Jupiter bhuktie begins Feb >> 17 using krishnamurti (Mar 30 using lahiri), so the financial picture >> doesn't look like it's going to improve anytime soon. >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >> : gjlist- >> >> >> >> Your use of is subject to >> >> > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Namaste Chris, Things have been pretty bad here for some time. As you know the rand took a major dip recently and has recovered slightly but we've got a long way to go still. Aids is still our major concern. The long term implications on the labour force are frightening for the future of this country, let alone the personal suffering involved. And on top of that the brain drain continues. Hopefully, USA will stabilize and thus give us a chance to catch our breath! I hope Bush doesn't choke on any more pretzels. Have you EVER heard of a more ridiculous reason for either an economic meltdown or a major political crisis. But, to add to what Andrew said, it would serve them right for engaging in such skullduggery against Gore who was the major favourite here. Sorry I can't at this stage give a more Jyotish interpretation. Just a novice, but learning fast, thanks to Roeland and the GJ List. Give me time. Robyn - "Christopher Kevill" <ckevill <gjlist>; <gjlist> Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:20 AM [GJ] Robyn - inauguration chart > Robyn, > > At 08:59 PM 1/13/02 +0200, resimpson wrote: > >Dear Chris, > > > >Your analysis and discussion of a possible economic meltdown has been > >fascinating to read even though I have to look up my books as we go along. > >Anything that happens in USA always affects us very badly as well in RSA. > >Could you, in a nutshell, sum up your findings on this matter? Or is it too > >complex for that? > > I'm sure it's too complex for that and I haven't thought it through enough. > Certainly, this will be the crash that gets a bear market going full bore. > It's already been there for almost 2 years but some people have managed to > avoid the worst of it. I don't think that's likely. I really have no clue > where the markets are going after this. After the 1987 crash, they went > sideways for a while but turned upwards again. People who bought the day > after the crash were geniuses. Somehow I kind of doubt that strategy will > be as rewarded this time. I say that mostly because the May-June period > looks so bad for Bush and America (and Bush's cabinet, I'll post Rumsfeld's > chart soon), that I can't see the markets prospering at that time either. > Maybe after that, it would be a good time to buy stocks worldwide. But who > can say? As for the recession generally, it might well last for some time > and get worse before it gets better. I don't know much about RSA and how > it links to the world economy, but it seems that your economy will slow > too. OTOH, since you're big gold producers, maybe that will provide some > bounce, since I would expect gold prices to rise during this time of crisis. > > What are your thoughts? > > Chris > > > > > >Robyn > > > > > >- > >"Christopher Kevill" <ckevill > ><gjlist>; <jyotish-list > >Sunday, January 13, 2002 7:38 PM > >[GJ] more stock market mayhem - inauguration chart > > > > > >> Hello All, > >> > >> After some discussion with my colleague Andrew Lynn, I can better > >> appreciate the full extent of the upcoming meltdown in some other charts. > >> The obvious and perhaps most reliable chart for matters of national > >> importance is the 2001 Inauguration chart of Bush(Jan 20, 2001, 12.02 pm > >> Washington, DC). As we know, this chart is severely afflicted and > >> compelled many, if not most, astrologers to predict doom and gloom for the > >> Bush presidency. This has largely come to pass already and we're only one > >> year into it. What's also fascinating is its usefulness in timing > >matters. > >> > >> Most fundamentally, we turn first to transits for Monday Jan 28th 2002. > >> Here I'm using unequal sripati houses. As indicated previously, one of > >> Houck's great but simple insights was to point out the role of Uranus > >> ingresses in stock market drops. This has occurred in the two previous > >> Uranus ingresses to the day, including the 1987 crash. What's also > >> noteworthy is that transiting Uranus 00Aq07 (the actual ingress occuring > >on > >> Saturday when the market is closed) is squaring natal Saturn 00Ta18 in the > >> Inauguration chart. In this Aries rising chart, Saturn is the 11th lord > >of > >> gains in the 2nd house of wealth, suggesting sudden or shocking events, > >> probably negative given Saturn's maleficence, that will affect the wealth > >> of the country. Also notice that transiting Saturn 14Ta21, still > >> retrograde, will be less than a degree from the sripati 2nd cusp 14Ta52. > >> This is suggests restrictions or loss of wealth. Incredibly, transiting > >> Mars 13Pi14 that day is within a couple of degrees of the 12th house cusp > >> of 14Pi52. I would interpret this another indicator of loss. > >> > >> It's also worth noting that transiting Pluto 23Sc08 is moving into an > >exact > >> square with 2L Venus 24Aq00. This gives a longer term, more solid > >> foundation for the huge changes/destruction of wealth that are occurring > >> under this presidency. And that day at the opening of trading at 9.30 am > >on > >> the 28th, transiting Sun 14Cp41, natally in the 10th house, will be in > >> exact conjunction with Neptune 14Cp42, suggesting a weakening or > >> disappearance of leadership. Will the administration assume a bunker > >> mentality and let things unravel too far before intervening or even > >> reassuring the public? In addition, transiting retrograde Mercury 12Cp51 > >> will be in exact conjunction with natal Neptune 12Cp17 in the 10th. Given > >> that Mercury is the planet of communications and rules the 3rd house, > >there > >> is a sense that communication systems might break down or not function > >well > >> that day. Not really too surprising perhaps, given that the market > >> computers have sometimes overloaded and broken down with large trading > >> volumes typical of sharp drops. It might also be the case that we won't > >> know what's really going on in the market for a while owing to larger, > >> system-wide communication difficulties. > >> > >> If those transits weren't telling enough, there is a whole other layer of > >> progressions that paint the same picture. The natal lagnesh, Mars, which > >> so infamously opposes the Asc within 2 degrees natally, will move to > >00Sc08 > >> by tertiary progression on the 28th. This exactly opposes natal 2H Saturn > >> and will be square to the Uranus ingress. A tension filled T-square will > >> be so formed here with Saturn, Mars, and Uranus. By minor progression, > >the > >> Asc moves to 24Ta21, an exact square with 2L Venus 24Aq00. Minor > >> progressed MC 1Aq06, is also closely tied to transiting Uranus in early > >> Aquarius and is just past an exact square with natal Saturn 00Ta18. (NB: > >> Minor progressed angles move about three times faster than tertiary > >> progressed angles, about one degree every ten days.) Minor progressed > >> Saturn has advanced to 00Ta48 and thus the progressed MC is still in a > >> close, less than one degree orb with it. In addition, minor progressed > >> Mars (again!) 7Sc40 is exactly opposed natal Jupiter 7Ta27 in the 2H. On > >> the basis on these progressions, it's clear that 2nd house matters will be > >> the focus of the administration at this time, and given the planets > >> involved, it seems inescapable that the events concerned will be negative > >> and shocking. > >> > >> Finally, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that the Inauguration chart > >> will be running Merc-Rahu, as it was at the outset. This may or may not > >be > >> significant for the financial forecast depending on how one interprets > >> Rahu. It is in the 3rd house unafflicted, and its dispositor Mercury is > >in > >> the 10th with Sun, Uranus,and Neptune. It is only 3 degrees from a > >> conjunction with Uranus. Worse still, Mars afflicts Mercury almost > >exactly > >> with less than one degree orb. Clearly, this Mercury will bring sudden > >> outbreaks of violence that promise to upset the country and endanger the > >> president. But Rahu only can be tied to wealth matters if the nakshatras > >> are invoked. Rahu is in Jupiter star, and Jupiter is in tough shape in > >the > >> 2nd with Saturn, afflicted by Mars' 8H aspect. Jupiter bhuktie begins Feb > >> 17 using krishnamurti (Mar 30 using lahiri), so the financial picture > >> doesn't look like it's going to improve anytime soon. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> > >> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >> : gjlist- > >> > >> > >> > >> Your use of is subject to > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah Hey Chris! Nice speaking to you again. I hope you're doing well. Thanks for sharing your predictions in public. Obviously you see some indications for a weak economy over the next few months based on a variety of charts esp. the Inauguration chart. But I was wondering what you're opinion of the economy in the long-run is? Do you see things improving? The reason I ask is that I just took a look at the inauguration chart, and wealth factors seem pretty strong to me, with the second and eleventh lords being friends and participating in a parivartana yoga. The eleventh lord in the second seems to do pretty well by also being associated with the natural benefic Jupiter who also rules the ninth. Certainly, he also rules the twelfth of losses, and may give some of these effects. But I wonder, does this chart really promise severe and long-lasting economic problems? I'd like to know your thoughts. Look forward to hearing from you, Pursottam _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Pursottam, At 11:02 PM 1/14/02 -0000, Pursottam wrote: >Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah > >Hey Chris! > >Nice speaking to you again. I hope you're doing well. Thanks for sharing >your predictions in public. Obviously you see some indications for a weak >economy over the next few months based on a variety of charts esp. the >Inauguration chart. But I was wondering what you're opinion of the economy >in the long-run is? Do you see things improving? The reason I ask is that I >just took a look at the inauguration chart, and wealth factors seem pretty >strong to me, with the second and eleventh lords being friends and >participating in a parivartana yoga. The eleventh lord in the second seems >to do pretty well by also being associated with the natural benefic Jupiter >who also rules the ninth. Certainly, he also rules the twelfth of losses, >and may give some of these effects. But I wonder, does this chart really >promise severe and long-lasting economic problems? I'd like to know your >thoughts. Sorry I haven't got back to you on your Pisces new moon charts. I will. But yes, this chart looks strong on the face of it because of the wealth yogas you mention. Could they be not as strong as we think, say by consulting other factors such as AV, shad bala, etc? I don't know and haven't done it yet but look at navamsha chart for the inauguration. It stinks for wealth. Ketu is sitting right on the Asc with one degree orb and 2L Mars is in a two degree conjunction with dissipating Neptune. 11L Sun is in a four degree conjunction with benefic Jupiter in the 6th but more important is Saturn is casting its 3rd house aspect with 0 degrees of orb. It suggests a lot of bad economic times. By contrast, look at Clinton's inauguration chart for Jan 20 1997 at noon (I don't know the exact time but the inauguration always takes place a few minutes either side of noon. Interestingly, Aries is always rising and always puts 5L Sun in the 10th, good for leadership of the world and high profile.) Anyway, 2L Venus is OK in the 9th there with Mercury but it is aspected by Mars. Moreover, 11L Saturn is in tight conjunction with Ketu in the 12th (since Saturn is also 10th lord in this Aries rising chart, I wonder if that explains Clinton's hidden secrets coming to light). All in all, not great for the economy one would think, and yet the economic expansion continued even stronger through his second term, with only a few signs of weakness right at the end of his term. So how much can you read from a rashi chart? That probably depends how you read it. If you look at the D-2 Hora chart of wealth, note that 11Taurus rises and Mars is sitting very close to that point at 15Ta. Also, Rahu aspects the ascendant exactly. Not a good aspect for wealth, I would think, especially since its dispositor Mercury is conjunct Uranus opposed by Mars. In addition 2L Mercury is with Uranus (a minus too) in the 7th and worse still, it receives Mars' 7H aspect exactly with 0 orb. How could that be positive? Finally, and this suggests some of the long term rearrangement of the economy, Pluto is exactly sextile from the ascendant with half a degree orb. Sure, 11L Jupiter is there in the second, but it's sort of just floating there. Saturn is there in the 2nd as well. So when you look beyond the rashi chart, the picture is fairly negative. Actually I think its' beyond negative, but I'm a pessimist at heart. Chris > >Look forward to hearing from you, > >Pursottam > > > >_______ > >Get your free @ address at > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 I have seen it as an attack on the Constitution. I just finished reading "The New Thought Police" and am glad that a prominent woman is speaking out against the restrictions of speech and so thought in the US and the Western world. BTW just in case the pricvate message doesn't get to you...that seems to happen alot. go to www.cynthianovak.com Seach through the Monthly Planner to find Central Themes at the end. Look under Feature Article to see the trends for the Winter of 2002. These are written for non astrologers. cynthia - VXCMX (AT) aol (DOT) com gjlist Monday, January 14, 2002 7:10 PM Re: [GJ] Robyn - inauguration chart I don't like that Pluto. I was thinking about that all day today too. Pluto is nuclear, 7th house in the Constitution chart is war. Nuclear war? c Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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