Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Hello All, I just had a thought about standard vedic aspects while I was looking at Bush's chart for today and contemplating the sign ruler for preztels (I'm leaning towards Virgo at the moment). I know that transits are merely the last tumbler in the cosmic lock that has to click into place for an event to occur (ie. they don't "cause" events by themselves), but there's something to said for just looking at them at the time of an event. The thing that struck me was that transiting Mars is at 3Pisces today and this is exactly trine Bush's dasha lord Saturn 3Cancern which is in his 1st house of the body. Now we all have been taught that Mars doesn't cast a trine aspect in vedic astrology and yet, here is an inescapable correspondence between an event and a transit that seems anything but coincidental. My solution to this apparent contradiction is that standard aspects are merely shorthand. David Frawley citing Parashara points out that all planets cast trine aspects, the only thing is they aren't all full strength as Jupiter's and the Nodes are. I don't have my books handy as I'm on the road, but I recall that Mars' 9H trine aspect is probably 50% strength. This doesn't mean that it should be ignored, especially as in this case, when it is exact. After all, a full strength aspect with a 10 degree orb will be weaker than a 50% strength aspect that is exact. Too often, people of the vedic persuasion dismiss such non-standard aspects as being non-vedic. Actually they are both vedic and western. The difference is that vedic attaches different strengths to them, while western doesn't distinguish. I can't say that the different strengths are correct -- I just haven't looked at enough to them with that idea in mind. And it's probably impossible to prove one way or another anyway. But it strikes me that we should pay attention to all aspects, even the apparent non-standard ones. In light of recent discussions of the appropriate use of western progressions in vedic astrology, maybe this goes to show that "vedic astrology" itself is subject to different definitions and interpretations. If you ask some Indian astrologers about whether Mars casts a trine aspect, most would answer no, wouldn't they? But would that determine if it is a correct practice? Or even a correct "vedic" practice? Food for thought. Just to conclude on a more vedic note, I see that the transit of Mars has another role in this iron preztel affair. Jupiter is 6th lord in Bush's rashi chart, and also lagnesh in his D-6 chart representing health and accidents. So influences on Jupiter will shape those affairs. D-6 Jupiter is at 00Pi13, and transiting Mars at 3Pisces is just past conjunction with that point. Quite neat. But I wonder if Bush's "accident" could have occurred right at conjunction about 5 days ago. Maybe not, because it hadn't moved into a trine with rashi Saturn yet! :-) Chris ps Transiting Rahu will exactly trine Bush's 6L Jupiter in May. It doesn't look like a healthy time for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Hi there Chris, Humour is apparently a sign of spiritual health. Thank you. Robyn - "Christopher Kevill" <ckevill <gjlist>; <gjlist> Monday, January 14, 2002 11:47 PM [GJ] Preztels, aspects, and vedic astrology > Hello All, > > I just had a thought about standard vedic aspects while I was looking at > Bush's chart for today and contemplating the sign ruler for preztels (I'm > leaning towards Virgo at the moment). I know that transits are merely the > last tumbler in the cosmic lock that has to click into place for an event > to occur (ie. they don't "cause" events by themselves), but there's > something to said for just looking at them at the time of an event. The > thing that struck me was that transiting Mars is at 3Pisces today and this > is exactly trine Bush's dasha lord Saturn 3Cancern which is in his 1st > house of the body. Now we all have been taught that Mars doesn't cast a > trine aspect in vedic astrology and yet, here is an inescapable > correspondence between an event and a transit that seems anything but > coincidental. My solution to this apparent contradiction is that standard > aspects are merely shorthand. David Frawley citing Parashara points out > that all planets cast trine aspects, the only thing is they aren't all full > strength as Jupiter's and the Nodes are. I don't have my books handy as > I'm on the road, but I recall that Mars' 9H trine aspect is probably 50% > strength. > > This doesn't mean that it should be ignored, especially as in this case, > when it is exact. After all, a full strength aspect with a 10 degree orb > will be weaker than a 50% strength aspect that is exact. Too often, people > of the vedic persuasion dismiss such non-standard aspects as being > non-vedic. Actually they are both vedic and western. The difference is > that vedic attaches different strengths to them, while western doesn't > distinguish. I can't say that the different strengths are correct -- I > just haven't looked at enough to them with that idea in mind. And it's > probably impossible to prove one way or another anyway. But it strikes me > that we should pay attention to all aspects, even the apparent non-standard > ones. > > In light of recent discussions of the appropriate use of western > progressions in vedic astrology, maybe this goes to show that "vedic > astrology" itself is subject to different definitions and interpretations. > If you ask some Indian astrologers about whether Mars casts a trine aspect, > most would answer no, wouldn't they? But would that determine if it is a > correct practice? Or even a correct "vedic" practice? Food for thought. > > Just to conclude on a more vedic note, I see that the transit of Mars has > another role in this iron preztel affair. Jupiter is 6th lord in Bush's > rashi chart, and also lagnesh in his D-6 chart representing health and > accidents. So influences on Jupiter will shape those affairs. D-6 Jupiter > is at 00Pi13, and transiting Mars at 3Pisces is just past conjunction with > that point. Quite neat. But I wonder if Bush's "accident" could have > occurred right at conjunction about 5 days ago. Maybe not, because it > hadn't moved into a trine with rashi Saturn yet! :-) > > Chris > > ps Transiting Rahu will exactly trine Bush's 6L Jupiter in May. It doesn't > look like a healthy time for him. > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Dear Christopher, all planets have a full trine influence for triggering events in Transit. Phaladeepika has a great chapter on the use of Transits to trigger events. Best Regards, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Kala Vedic Astrology Software & Kala Occult Publishers - "Christopher Kevill" <ckevill <gjlist>; <gjlist> Monday, January 14, 2002 1:47 PM [GJ] Preztels, aspects, and vedic astrology > Hello All, > > I just had a thought about standard vedic aspects while I was looking at > Bush's chart for today and contemplating the sign ruler for preztels (I'm > leaning towards Virgo at the moment). I know that transits are merely the > last tumbler in the cosmic lock that has to click into place for an event > to occur (ie. they don't "cause" events by themselves), but there's > something to said for just looking at them at the time of an event. The > thing that struck me was that transiting Mars is at 3Pisces today and this > is exactly trine Bush's dasha lord Saturn 3Cancern which is in his 1st > house of the body. Now we all have been taught that Mars doesn't cast a > trine aspect in vedic astrology and yet, here is an inescapable > correspondence between an event and a transit that seems anything but > coincidental. My solution to this apparent contradiction is that standard > aspects are merely shorthand. David Frawley citing Parashara points out > that all planets cast trine aspects, the only thing is they aren't all full > strength as Jupiter's and the Nodes are. I don't have my books handy as > I'm on the road, but I recall that Mars' 9H trine aspect is probably 50% > strength. > > This doesn't mean that it should be ignored, especially as in this case, > when it is exact. After all, a full strength aspect with a 10 degree orb > will be weaker than a 50% strength aspect that is exact. Too often, people > of the vedic persuasion dismiss such non-standard aspects as being > non-vedic. Actually they are both vedic and western. The difference is > that vedic attaches different strengths to them, while western doesn't > distinguish. I can't say that the different strengths are correct -- I > just haven't looked at enough to them with that idea in mind. And it's > probably impossible to prove one way or another anyway. But it strikes me > that we should pay attention to all aspects, even the apparent non-standard > ones. > > In light of recent discussions of the appropriate use of western > progressions in vedic astrology, maybe this goes to show that "vedic > astrology" itself is subject to different definitions and interpretations. > If you ask some Indian astrologers about whether Mars casts a trine aspect, > most would answer no, wouldn't they? But would that determine if it is a > correct practice? Or even a correct "vedic" practice? Food for thought. > > Just to conclude on a more vedic note, I see that the transit of Mars has > another role in this iron preztel affair. Jupiter is 6th lord in Bush's > rashi chart, and also lagnesh in his D-6 chart representing health and > accidents. So influences on Jupiter will shape those affairs. D-6 Jupiter > is at 00Pi13, and transiting Mars at 3Pisces is just past conjunction with > that point. Quite neat. But I wonder if Bush's "accident" could have > occurred right at conjunction about 5 days ago. Maybe not, because it > hadn't moved into a trine with rashi Saturn yet! :-) > > Chris > > ps Transiting Rahu will exactly trine Bush's 6L Jupiter in May. It doesn't > look like a healthy time for him. > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2002 Report Share Posted January 16, 2002 Dear Ernst, Well, that will come as news to most practicing vedic astrologers, don't you think? Chris At 05:04 AM 1/15/02 -0800, Ernst Wilhelm wrote: >Dear Christopher, > all planets have a full trine influence for triggering events in Transit. >Phaladeepika has a great chapter on the use of Transits to trigger events. > >Best Regards, >Ernst Wilhelm >www.vedic astrology.net >Kala Vedic Astrology Software & Kala Occult Publishers > > >- >"Christopher Kevill" <ckevill ><gjlist>; <gjlist> >Monday, January 14, 2002 1:47 PM >[GJ] Preztels, aspects, and vedic astrology > > >> Hello All, >> >> I just had a thought about standard vedic aspects while I was looking at >> Bush's chart for today and contemplating the sign ruler for preztels (I'm >> leaning towards Virgo at the moment). I know that transits are merely the >> last tumbler in the cosmic lock that has to click into place for an event >> to occur (ie. they don't "cause" events by themselves), but there's >> something to said for just looking at them at the time of an event. The >> thing that struck me was that transiting Mars is at 3Pisces today and this >> is exactly trine Bush's dasha lord Saturn 3Cancern which is in his 1st >> house of the body. Now we all have been taught that Mars doesn't cast a >> trine aspect in vedic astrology and yet, here is an inescapable >> correspondence between an event and a transit that seems anything but >> coincidental. My solution to this apparent contradiction is that standard >> aspects are merely shorthand. David Frawley citing Parashara points out >> that all planets cast trine aspects, the only thing is they aren't all >full >> strength as Jupiter's and the Nodes are. I don't have my books handy as >> I'm on the road, but I recall that Mars' 9H trine aspect is probably 50% >> strength. >> >> This doesn't mean that it should be ignored, especially as in this case, >> when it is exact. After all, a full strength aspect with a 10 degree orb >> will be weaker than a 50% strength aspect that is exact. Too often, people >> of the vedic persuasion dismiss such non-standard aspects as being >> non-vedic. Actually they are both vedic and western. The difference is >> that vedic attaches different strengths to them, while western doesn't >> distinguish. I can't say that the different strengths are correct -- I >> just haven't looked at enough to them with that idea in mind. And it's >> probably impossible to prove one way or another anyway. But it strikes me >> that we should pay attention to all aspects, even the apparent >non-standard >> ones. >> >> In light of recent discussions of the appropriate use of western >> progressions in vedic astrology, maybe this goes to show that "vedic >> astrology" itself is subject to different definitions and interpretations. >> If you ask some Indian astrologers about whether Mars casts a trine >aspect, >> most would answer no, wouldn't they? But would that determine if it is a >> correct practice? Or even a correct "vedic" practice? Food for thought. >> >> Just to conclude on a more vedic note, I see that the transit of Mars has >> another role in this iron preztel affair. Jupiter is 6th lord in Bush's >> rashi chart, and also lagnesh in his D-6 chart representing health and >> accidents. So influences on Jupiter will shape those affairs. D-6 >Jupiter >> is at 00Pi13, and transiting Mars at 3Pisces is just past conjunction with >> that point. Quite neat. But I wonder if Bush's "accident" could have >> occurred right at conjunction about 5 days ago. Maybe not, because it >> hadn't moved into a trine with rashi Saturn yet! :-) >> >> Chris >> >> ps Transiting Rahu will exactly trine Bush's 6L Jupiter in May. It >doesn't >> look like a healthy time for him. >> >> >> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >> : gjlist- >> >> >> >> Your use of is subject to >> >> > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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