Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Dear Group In the last few months I have been exploring tertiary progressions and secondary progressions with the urging of Chris Kevall. There is no doubt that combined with the Hindu dasha system and sidereal zodiac you can confirm many things with yet another powerful technique. It was not that I was a disbeliever as anything based on sound mathematics is fine with me. I just never had a program that could calculate them. Doing some research I saw just how correct Richard Houck was to enthusiastically promote them. Some may remember I put up the chart of Michael Hutchence the Australian rock star and lead singer of I.N.X.S on my website with an interpretation of his chart. He died by strangulation during an "auto erotic" sexual act that apparently went wrong. There was much speculation whether he had committed suicide or had died accidently during sexual monkey business. His was born in Capricorn with lagna lord Saturn, Mars and Venus in the 12th house indicating his end may come during a secret sexual activity. His Venus was on the Gandanta at 00 degrees and he died under Saturn/Venus period when transit Venus was in his 12th house hemmed between natal Saturn and Mars and in hard square to transit Saturn in Pisces. I felt using traditional Hindu techniques gave a clear picture of his life and death. However, what made it even clearer is that Tertiary progressed Mars, (impulsive behaviour, accidents and sudden events) was exaclty conjunct to his natal Uranus in his 7th house of sex!! This I feel would indicate he died accidently in a sex act rather than him having topped himself. This Uranus in the 7th house in Cancer also goes a long way in explaining his "unusual sexual habits." From his 12th house in Sagittarius, Mars casts a powerful 8th house aspect onto this Uranus and house also. As somebody who has Uranus in the 7th house with Moon and aspected by Mars I can relate to the sexual power it gives! I urge others to explore these techniques as they nail down certain events that may be unclear otherwise. Skinbags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Namaste Andrew would you mind explaining the 'calculation' of these Secondary and Tertiary progressions via some examples? Many thanks and best wishes ..... Jai Sita Ram Ram > > Andrew Lynn [sMTP:skinbags] > Monday, January 14, 2002 9:15 AM > gjlist > [GJ] Progressions > > Dear Group > > In the last few months I have been exploring tertiary progressions and > secondary progressions with the urging of Chris Kevall. There is no doubt > that combined with the Hindu dasha system and sidereal zodiac you can > confirm many things with yet another powerful technique. > > It was not that I was a disbeliever as anything based on sound mathematics > is fine with me. I just never had a program that could calculate them. > Doing > some research I saw just how correct Richard Houck was to enthusiastically > promote them. Some may remember I put up the chart of Michael Hutchence > the > Australian rock star and lead singer of I.N.X.S on my website with an > interpretation of his chart. He died by strangulation during an "auto > erotic" sexual act that apparently went wrong. There was much speculation > whether he had committed suicide or had died accidently during sexual > monkey > business. > > His was born in Capricorn with lagna lord Saturn, Mars and Venus in the > 12th > house indicating his end may come during a secret sexual activity. His > Venus > was on the Gandanta at 00 degrees and he died under Saturn/Venus period > when > transit Venus was in his 12th house hemmed between natal Saturn and Mars > and > in hard square to transit Saturn in Pisces. > > I felt using traditional Hindu techniques gave a clear picture of his life > and death. However, what made it even clearer is that Tertiary progressed > Mars, (impulsive behaviour, accidents and sudden events) was exaclty > conjunct to his natal Uranus in his 7th house of sex!! This I feel would > indicate he died accidently in a sex act rather than him having topped > himself. > > This Uranus in the 7th house in Cancer also goes a long way in explaining > his "unusual sexual habits." From his 12th house in Sagittarius, Mars > casts > a powerful 8th house aspect onto this Uranus and house also. As somebody > who > has Uranus in the 7th house with Moon and aspected by Mars I can relate to > the sexual power it gives! I urge others to explore these techniques as > they > nail down certain events that may be unclear otherwise. > > Skinbags > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Dear Ram I am not the man to accurately explain the calculations as I barely understand them myself. It is not too different to Vimshottari as is is based on a lunar month representing a certain movement by progression. I'm sure there is some western astrologers on the group who can put them all in a nutshell for you. There is secondary progression, minor progression and tertiary progression. One thing seems clear to me- most seem to have some relevance- in particular Tertiary progression. As Richard Houck suggests - they fill in a gap between the birth data and the transits. I only go to this last of all after I have looked at everything else via traditional Vedic methods. I have given two brief examples- another is when I was nearly killed in an accident under Sun/Venus dasha. Tertiary progressed Sun was exactly conjunct natal Venus. Chris Kevall also picked up that Venus by progression was exactly in opposition to progressed Uranus!! However, using strictly Vedic methods shows my natal Venus falls in the nakshatra of 8th lord Mercury which is in the lagna exactly conjunct Mars. Mars opposes Uranus natally also. The Vedic system showed my accident clearest but the progressions can add confirmation to a predicted event. It is like you see an aspect once you note it down, see a second malefic aspect you start to worry, see yet a third confirming aspect like by progression and whammo- it is hard to believe an event is not going to go down. I also suggest you must have a strong command of the basics for any interpretation whether it be natal, progressed or a transit. It is no good understanding all these things unless you have the ability to interpret them clearly. A planets nature must be determined first before any attempt at interpreting its effect is made. The single biggest problem I see on this and the other lists is people going into long winded spins on charts (usually with some religious dogma attached) before the basics are even noticed. We must work on demystifying astrology rather than trying to baffle others with bullshit or long Sanskrit words. A number a people have privately contacted me about this recently. They too are concerned at the direction of vedic astrology. Many want to discuss "nuts and bolts" astrology or the outer planets but are too scared to post as they are worried about being attacked by people who have some religious axe to grind. Unless we are prepared to discuss every technique openly and honestly, Vedic astrology groups will continue to be just a group of people parroting what is in the ancient texts. Skinbags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Namaste Andrew thanks for your missive - hope someone else can fill in with the 'calculation' details. I totally agree with you re: knowing the basics before one can pass any 'judgement' But sometimes as you remarked if a 'number' of pointers are suggesting the 'same interpretation' one can be on 'more' sure footings on its outcome. Many thanks and best wishes ....... Jai Sita Ram Ram > > Andrew Lynn [sMTP:skinbags] > Monday, January 14, 2002 10:45 AM > gjlist > Re: [GJ] Progressions > > Dear Ram > > I am not the man to accurately explain the calculations as I barely > understand them myself. It is not too different to Vimshottari as is is > based on a lunar month representing a certain movement by progression. I'm > sure there is some western astrologers on the group who can put them all > in > a nutshell for you. There is secondary progression, minor progression and > tertiary progression. One thing seems clear to me- most seem to have some > relevance- in particular Tertiary progression. As Richard Houck suggests - > they fill in a gap between the birth data and the transits. I only go to > this last of all after I have looked at everything else via traditional > Vedic methods. I have given two brief examples- another is when I was > nearly > killed in an accident under Sun/Venus dasha. Tertiary progressed Sun was > exactly conjunct natal Venus. Chris Kevall also picked up that Venus by > progression was exactly in opposition to progressed Uranus!! > > However, using strictly Vedic methods shows my natal Venus falls in the > nakshatra of 8th lord Mercury which is in the lagna exactly conjunct Mars. > Mars opposes Uranus natally also. The Vedic system showed my accident > clearest but the progressions can add confirmation to a predicted event. > It > is like you see an aspect once you note it down, see a second malefic > aspect > you start to worry, see yet a third confirming aspect like by progression > and whammo- it is hard to believe an event is not going to go down. > > I also suggest you must have a strong command of the basics for any > interpretation whether it be natal, progressed or a transit. It is no good > understanding all these things unless you have the ability to interpret > them > clearly. A planets nature must be determined first before any attempt at > interpreting its effect is made. The single biggest problem I see on this > and the other lists is people going into long winded spins on charts > (usually with some religious dogma attached) before the basics are even > noticed. We must work on demystifying astrology rather than trying to > baffle > others with bullshit or long Sanskrit words. A number a people have > privately contacted me about this recently. They too are concerned at the > direction of vedic astrology. Many want to discuss "nuts and bolts" > astrology or the outer planets but are too scared to post as they are > worried about being attacked by people who have some religious axe to > grind. > Unless we are prepared to discuss every technique openly and honestly, > Vedic > astrology groups will continue to be just a group of people parroting what > is in the ancient texts. > > > > Skinbags Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ----- Dear Ram, Please refer to "Manu Smriti" for a work on Progessions. There are also progessions based on the Varga span. I.e. for judging events dealing with dharma(spouse, marriage, etc) One can progress the Sun by 3:20 degrees per year. Once you've found the appropriate progression, fix the Suns degree, and draw a chart. Example: If you have Sun at 0 Degree Aries and i wanto see what happens in 10th year, 10x 3:20 = 32:00 degrees, which is 2 degrees of Taurus. Now take your natal chart, and add approximately 32 days(~1 degree per day), and fix the appropriate degree. That chart should show the themes regarding dharma in that year. The progressed Sun should be compared to the Natal chart positions. The Sahams which are used alot in Tajika Jyotish, are useful in timing events here. Hope this helps. Best wishes, Visti. --- Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal wrote: > Namaste Andrew > > thanks for your missive - hope someone else can fill > in with the > 'calculation' details. > > I totally agree with you re: knowing the basics > before one can pass any > 'judgement' But sometimes as you remarked if a > 'number' of pointers are > suggesting the 'same interpretation' one can be on > 'more' sure footings on > its outcome. > > Many thanks and best wishes ....... > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > > > > Andrew Lynn [sMTP:skinbags] > > Monday, January 14, 2002 10:45 AM > > gjlist > > Re: [GJ] Progressions > > > > Dear Ram > > > > I am not the man to accurately explain the > calculations as I barely > > understand them myself. It is not too different to > Vimshottari as is is > > based on a lunar month representing a certain > movement by progression. I'm > > sure there is some western astrologers on the > group who can put them all > > in > > a nutshell for you. There is secondary > progression, minor progression and > > tertiary progression. One thing seems clear to me- > most seem to have some > > relevance- in particular Tertiary progression. As > Richard Houck suggests - > > they fill in a gap between the birth data and the > transits. I only go to > > this last of all after I have looked at everything > else via traditional > > Vedic methods. I have given two brief examples- > another is when I was > > nearly > > killed in an accident under Sun/Venus dasha. > Tertiary progressed Sun was > > exactly conjunct natal Venus. Chris Kevall also > picked up that Venus by > > progression was exactly in opposition to > progressed Uranus!! > > > > However, using strictly Vedic methods shows my > natal Venus falls in the > > nakshatra of 8th lord Mercury which is in the > lagna exactly conjunct Mars. > > Mars opposes Uranus natally also. The Vedic system > showed my accident > > clearest but the progressions can add confirmation > to a predicted event. > > It > > is like you see an aspect once you note it down, > see a second malefic > > aspect > > you start to worry, see yet a third confirming > aspect like by progression > > and whammo- it is hard to believe an event is not > going to go down. > > > > I also suggest you must have a strong command of > the basics for any > > interpretation whether it be natal, progressed or > a transit. It is no good > > understanding all these things unless you have the > ability to interpret > > them > > clearly. A planets nature must be determined first > before any attempt at > > interpreting its effect is made. The single > biggest problem I see on this > > and the other lists is people going into long > winded spins on charts > > (usually with some religious dogma attached) > before the basics are even > > noticed. We must work on demystifying astrology > rather than trying to > > baffle > > others with bullshit or long Sanskrit words. A > number a people have > > privately contacted me about this recently. They > too are concerned at the > > direction of vedic astrology. Many want to discuss > "nuts and bolts" > > astrology or the outer planets but are too scared > to post as they are > > worried about being attacked by people who have > some religious axe to > > grind. > > Unless we are prepared to discuss every technique > openly and honestly, > > Vedic > > astrology groups will continue to be just a group > of people parroting what > > is in the ancient texts. > > > > > > > > Skinbags > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > > : > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If > you have received > it in error, please delete it from your system, do > not use or disclose > the information in any way, and notify me > immediately. The contents of > this message may contain personal views which are > not the views of the > BBC, unless specifically stated. > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > : > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Send FREE video emails in Mail! http://promo./videomail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Namaste Visti it is indeed good to hear from you and glad to see that you have been keeping yourself busy on the list ..... would you mind elaborating a little more re:" If you have Sun at 0 Degree Aries and i wanto see what happens in 10th year, 10x 3:20 = 32:00 degrees, which is 2 degrees of Taurus. Now take your natal chart, and add approximately 32 days(~1 degree per day), and fix the appropriate degree. " especially the bit about fixing the appropriate degree - perhaps in the way of an actual example? The rest I follow interms of the reasoning. By the way are these the 'same' types of progressions that Andrew was intimating or are they something different? Many thanks and hoping you don't mind elaborating further .....? Best wishes ....... Jai Sita Ram Ram > > Visti Larsen [sMTP:in_joy_i_scream] > Monday, January 14, 2002 11:16 AM > gjlist > RE: [GJ] Progressions > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > ----- > Dear Ram, > Please refer to "Manu Smriti" for a work on > Progessions. > > There are also progessions based on the Varga span. > I.e. for judging events dealing with dharma(spouse, > marriage, etc) One can progress the Sun by 3:20 > degrees per year. > > Once you've found the appropriate progression, fix the > Suns degree, and draw a chart. > > Example: > If you have Sun at 0 Degree Aries and i wanto see what > happens in 10th year, 10x 3:20 = 32:00 degrees, which > is 2 degrees of Taurus. Now take your natal chart, and > add approximately 32 days(~1 degree per day), and fix > the appropriate degree. > > That chart should show the themes regarding dharma in > that year. > > The progressed Sun should be compared to the Natal > chart positions. The Sahams which are used alot in > Tajika Jyotish, are useful in timing events here. > > > Hope this helps. > Best wishes, Visti. > > > --- Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal > wrote: > > Namaste Andrew > > > > thanks for your missive - hope someone else can fill > > in with the > > 'calculation' details. > > > > I totally agree with you re: knowing the basics > > before one can pass any > > 'judgement' But sometimes as you remarked if a > > 'number' of pointers are > > suggesting the 'same interpretation' one can be on > > 'more' sure footings on > > its outcome. > > > > Many thanks and best wishes ....... > > > > Jai Sita Ram > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > Andrew Lynn [sMTP:skinbags] > > > Monday, January 14, 2002 10:45 AM > > > gjlist > > > Re: [GJ] Progressions > > > > > > Dear Ram > > > > > > I am not the man to accurately explain the > > calculations as I barely > > > understand them myself. It is not too different to > > Vimshottari as is is > > > based on a lunar month representing a certain > > movement by progression. I'm > > > sure there is some western astrologers on the > > group who can put them all > > > in > > > a nutshell for you. There is secondary > > progression, minor progression and > > > tertiary progression. One thing seems clear to me- > > most seem to have some > > > relevance- in particular Tertiary progression. As > > Richard Houck suggests - > > > they fill in a gap between the birth data and the > > transits. I only go to > > > this last of all after I have looked at everything > > else via traditional > > > Vedic methods. I have given two brief examples- > > another is when I was > > > nearly > > > killed in an accident under Sun/Venus dasha. > > Tertiary progressed Sun was > > > exactly conjunct natal Venus. Chris Kevall also > > picked up that Venus by > > > progression was exactly in opposition to > > progressed Uranus!! > > > > > > However, using strictly Vedic methods shows my > > natal Venus falls in the > > > nakshatra of 8th lord Mercury which is in the > > lagna exactly conjunct Mars. > > > Mars opposes Uranus natally also. The Vedic system > > showed my accident > > > clearest but the progressions can add confirmation > > to a predicted event. > > > It > > > is like you see an aspect once you note it down, > > see a second malefic > > > aspect > > > you start to worry, see yet a third confirming > > aspect like by progression > > > and whammo- it is hard to believe an event is not > > going to go down. > > > > > > I also suggest you must have a strong command of > > the basics for any > > > interpretation whether it be natal, progressed or > > a transit. It is no good > > > understanding all these things unless you have the > > ability to interpret > > > them > > > clearly. A planets nature must be determined first > > before any attempt at > > > interpreting its effect is made. The single > > biggest problem I see on this > > > and the other lists is people going into long > > winded spins on charts > > > (usually with some religious dogma attached) > > before the basics are even > > > noticed. We must work on demystifying astrology > > rather than trying to > > > baffle > > > others with bullshit or long Sanskrit words. A > > number a people have > > > privately contacted me about this recently. They > > too are concerned at the > > > direction of vedic astrology. Many want to discuss > > "nuts and bolts" > > > astrology or the outer planets but are too scared > > to post as they are > > > worried about being attacked by people who have > > some religious axe to > > > grind. > > > Unless we are prepared to discuss every technique > > openly and honestly, > > > Vedic > > > astrology groups will continue to be just a group > > of people parroting what > > > is in the ancient texts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Skinbags > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > > Sat > > > : > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If > > you have received > > it in error, please delete it from your system, do > > not use or disclose > > the information in any way, and notify me > > immediately. The contents of > > this message may contain personal views which are > > not the views of the > > BBC, unless specifically stated. > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > > Sat > > : > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > Send FREE video emails in Mail! > http://promo./videomail/ > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah Dear Ram, >>would you mind explaining the 'calculation' of these Secondary and Tertiary progressions via some examples?<< These are two predictive systems used in western astrology, and are part of a range of different progression systems. The calculations of progessions are not difficult - just tedious. Basically, the secondary progressions are "a day for a year" e.g the planetary positions 23 days after birth are considered to provide insight into the tewnty-third year after birth. Tertiary progressions are similar, except that they are a "day for a sidereal lunar month". Both of these methods can be learnt from western books on the subject, although you'll find that all good western software, and even Vedic software such as GJ does the calculations (although Vedic software may not do it as 'fully' as a western software e.g. in GJ, you can check progressed planets hitting any natal point, but you can't see progressed planets to progressed planets, and you can't see the progressed angles). Since this is a Vedic list, I won't go further into the calculation and interpretation, but I hope this has helped somewhat. Jaya Sita Rama, Pursottam _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Namaste Pursottam many thanks for your reply - it certainly helps and meanwhile I will explore further. Best wishes ...... Jai Sita Ram Ram > > Pursottam [sMTP:pursottam_dabasia] > Monday, January 14, 2002 3:06 PM > gjlist > RE: [GJ] Progressions > > Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah > > Dear Ram, > > >>would you mind explaining the 'calculation' of these Secondary and > Tertiary > progressions via some examples?<< > > These are two predictive systems used in western astrology, and are part > of > a range of different progression systems. The calculations of progessions > are not difficult - just tedious. Basically, the secondary progressions > are > "a day for a year" e.g the planetary positions 23 days after birth are > considered to provide insight into the tewnty-third year after birth. > Tertiary progressions are similar, except that they are a "day for a > sidereal lunar month". Both of these methods can be learnt from western > books on the subject, although you'll find that all good western software, > and even Vedic software such as GJ does the calculations (although Vedic > software may not do it as 'fully' as a western software e.g. in GJ, you > can > check progressed planets hitting any natal point, but you can't see > progressed planets to progressed planets, and you can't see the progressed > angles). Since this is a Vedic list, I won't go further into the > calculation > and interpretation, but I hope this has helped somewhat. > > Jaya Sita Rama, > > Pursottam > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Hi, I justed wanted to add that for those who feel western progressions are not Vedic enough to be used with a clear conscience by the devout Hindus out there, there is a system called Nadi directions, popularized by Vedic astrologers Martin Gansten and Tommy Larsen. Martin is a Swedish Sanskrit scholar who has accessed sources in southern India to understand these better. These are Indian (well actually they may have come from Persia orginally, like varshaphal, and probably lots of other things in vedic astrology, but there you go) and also fill that gap between transits and dashas. Basically, one can use different rates of direction including 0*24 per year, 1* per year, and 2.5* per year to direct the planets and cusps in a chart. One then looks for hits to the natal chart, including the unequal sripati cusps. The contemporary reference point for this technique can be found in and article by Martin Gansten in "Hindu Astrology Lessons" edited by Richard Houck on Groundswell Press. It's well worth checking out. Chris At 03:05 PM 1/14/02 -0000, Pursottam wrote: >Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah > >Dear Ram, > >>>would you mind explaining the 'calculation' of these Secondary and >Tertiary >progressions via some examples?<< > >These are two predictive systems used in western astrology, and are part of >a range of different progression systems. The calculations of progessions >are not difficult - just tedious. Basically, the secondary progressions are >"a day for a year" e.g the planetary positions 23 days after birth are >considered to provide insight into the tewnty-third year after birth. >Tertiary progressions are similar, except that they are a "day for a >sidereal lunar month". Both of these methods can be learnt from western >books on the subject, although you'll find that all good western software, >and even Vedic software such as GJ does the calculations (although Vedic >software may not do it as 'fully' as a western software e.g. in GJ, you can >check progressed planets hitting any natal point, but you can't see >progressed planets to progressed planets, and you can't see the progressed >angles). Since this is a Vedic list, I won't go further into the calculation >and interpretation, but I hope this has helped somewhat. > >Jaya Sita Rama, > >Pursottam > > > >_______ > >Get your free @ address at > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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