Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 Dear Numero 6 <<please could someone explain if it's better to use true nodes or mean nodes ( as this one is always retro on his motion ) ? Sometimes there's about one degree difference & it's enough to place into another sign house or nakshatra. thnaks a lot for your help. >> The vedic astrology references say that Rahu is ALWAYS vakra or retrograde. In my experience i use what is known as the mean Rahu. The so called true nodes has both movements, forwards and backwards. Therefore, it can not be the Rahu followed in vedic astrology which is always retrograde. Best wishes Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 in fact my question is quite personnal at first. born on 14 march 1971 seems quite difficult to build my chart by looking ephemerides you will see what i mean . the worst is my birth time at 5 minutes can lead me from 1° leo to 29° cancer (making the nodes move another time by the way). More funny is my sun is 29°59 lahiri's ayanamsa used but who's sure lahiri's most acuracy one (lol)....so many factors move according to the choices of the jyotish drawing the chart... maybe that's why i wonder about that ( note that i can not calcule atmakaraka and the other ones..) positive : life's always full of surprise. ( hope this mail not so personal, in case excuse me). best w. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 Dear Purusuttama So you are using true Rahu for one thing and mean Rahu for another .No problem .According to science an electron occupies two points of space at the same time . So this may be true for Rahu .After all it's all the dream of MahaVisnu . Nicholas - "Pursottam" <pursottam_dabasia <gjlist> Monday, January 14, 2002 12:29 AM RE: [GJ] RAHU + KETU > Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah > > Hi Nicholas, > > Thanks for your reply to my previous mail. > > >>I do not recall any text that says the nodes are always retrograde rather > the absence of mention of forward motion could be because these are not > astrologically significant .Not saying the negative is not the same thing as > stating the positive .<< > > There are two references I recall, but as I can't currently find the other > one, this will have to do: > > "Due to his retrograde motion, the degrees of Rahu should be deducted from > thirty..." (BPHS 32:6) > > This isn't a very clear example I know, but Parashara doesn't say WHEN Rahu > is retrograde this should be done, or when Rahu is direct this shouldn't. He > just says that Rahu is retrograde and so this should be done, in the context > of the rest of the chapter. I'll try to find the other quote later, and I'll > post it when I do come up with it. > > >>Let me present a recent example of correct prediction using true nodes by > Pandit Sateesh Batas .In the Australian birth chart (January 1st 1901 37s50 > 145e00 12.00 AM Virgo Lagna ) you will find Jupiter at 3.24 in Sagittarius > .Jupiter as 4th Lord rules the homeland .Now in late December and early > January Ketu was practically stationary at around 3.16 Sagittarius .What > Panditji did was combine the incendiary nature of Ketu with the idea of the > fourth Lord and knowing the time of year in Australia predicted serious > bushfires .Over this period this certainly manifested and I think the story > has been on the international news .<< > > Yes, I saw this prediction by Sateesh and it was very good! (although not > good as in what happened but you know what I mean :-) The thing is though, > that I can give you chart after chart where the same thing works with the > mean node, and would you believe it, chart upon chart where the true nodes > work better - and in both these categories, some are hindsight cases > studies, whereas others are real predictions given to real people. I just > haven't found consistency, and I suspect other factors take greater > importance. So, let me mention what I do when I'm doing readings: In the > natal chart, I use mean nodes. Though I originally used true nodes, when I > got into divisional charts, I found that the mean nodes were a lot more > effective. In transits I got quite confused. So when I read Rick Houck's > "The Astrology of Death" it was quite a relief knowing that it wasn't only > me getting confused. So, in transit I find both the mean node and true node > position, and decide which is likely to be accurate based on dashas, > varshaphala and western progressions. I have one chart where every single > time a transit (of ANY planet or the mean nodes) makes an exact hit, the > expected event occurs on the exact day and I've seen this happen with every > prediction given to him. I don't know what make this chart work like > clockwork, although it is the first chart that I did a complete reading for > where the native voluntarily gave me some dakshina. Perhaps the Jyotir Vidya > was trying to illustrate the point that transits work. Who knows? But in > most cases, this sort of exactness is often missing, so I usually just find > the timing indicated by both nodes and give the native a time range, > explaining when things becomes exact and so when they are likely to give > strongest effects. > > Apart from this, I did notice when I primarily studied western astrology, > that the nodes turning stationary did seem to give them extra strength, so I > take note of their speed even though I use the mean node natally. Ultimately > I suppose each jyotishi must decide what works best for them, and use it. We > can all share our opinions but anyone who takes them has to use them as a > basis for their own research. If you are interested in seeing some of these > charts, I'll ask their owners if I may share them. Lemme know. > > Jaya Sri Krsna, > > Pursottam > > > > _______ > > Get your free @ address at > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah Dear Nicholas, Essentially, yes. To summarise my position, I use mean nodes all the time, both natal and transit, but I will bear in mind the position of the true node in transit. Jaya Radhe, Pursottam Nicholas [jyotish108] 13 January 2002 19:49 gjlist Re: [GJ] RAHU + KETU Dear Purusuttama So you are using true Rahu for one thing and mean Rahu for another .No problem .According to science an electron occupies two points of space at the same time . So this may be true for Rahu .After all it's all the dream of MahaVisnu . Nicholas _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 Dear Natabara Would the slight movement have been seen when BPHS was written or is it more subtle? c - natabara GJlist Saturday, January 12, 2002 12:20 PM [GJ] RAHU + KETU Dear Numero 6 <<please could someone explain if it's better to use true nodes or mean nodes ( as this one is always retro on his motion ) ? Sometimes there's about one degree difference & it's enough to place into another sign house or nakshatra. thnaks a lot for your help. >> The vedic astrology references say that Rahu is ALWAYS vakra or retrograde. In my experience i use what is known as the mean Rahu. The so called true nodes has both movements, forwards and backwards. Therefore, it can not be the Rahu followed in vedic astrology which is always retrograde. Best wishes Natabara DasOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 Dear Cynthia True nodes are indispensible for Gocahra . I think even Purusottama acknowledged this and he uses mean nodes ! The forward movement is slight and not astrologically significant and this to me is the reason it was not mentioned .Not saying the negative is not the same as stating the positive . To be consistent those who advocate mean nodes could use the mean position of every planet ! Otherwise where is the direct statement that the nodes should be calculated differently . Regrads Nicholas - "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak <gjlist> Monday, January 14, 2002 3:26 AM Re: [GJ] RAHU + KETU > Dear Nicholas > > Again we agree. I used to use Mean Nodes, but found that I was much more > accurate with True Nodes. > When I sit with a client, I have at hand a printed ephemeris for the next > few years. I run it from my computer set to show every 3rd day and use the > True nodes. When Rahu or Ketu get within 1 degree the transit is indeed > significant. Using the Mean node, you are never sure. If we accept that > the ecliptic path wobbles {my term} then would it not make sense to > incorporate that variance in the motion of the ecliptic path? > > I have found that nodal hits are much more significant in prediction than > eclipse hits in indicating what is or is about to confront the native. > > c > > > - > Nicholas <jyotish108 > <gjlist> > Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:36 PM > Re: [GJ] RAHU + KETU > > > > Dear Pususottama > > I do not recall any text that says the nodes are always retrograde rather > > the absence of mention of forward motion could be because these are not > > astrologically significant .Not saying the negative is not the same thing > as > > stating the positive .James Brahu wrote in his first book that when the > > nodes go forward they become auspicious but his teacher Santhanam > chastised > > him for this saying it was not the case(the auspiciousness that is > Santhanam > > had taught Braha to use true nodes ) . > > > > Let me present a recent example of correct prediction using true nodes by > > Pandit Sateesh Batas .In the Australian birth chart (January 1st 1901 > 37s50 > > 145e00 12.00 AM Virgo Lagna ) you will find Jupiter at 3.24 in > Sagittarius > > .Jupiter as 4th Lord rules the homeland .Now in late December and early > > January Ketu was practically stationary at around 3.16 Sagittarius .What > > Panditji did was combine the incendiary nature of Ketu with the idea of > the > > fourth Lord and knowing the time of year in Australia predicted serious > > bushfires .Over this period this certainly manifested and I think the > story > > has been on the international news . > > > > By comprison JHL program which uses mean nodes has Ketu around a degree > less > > in Sagittarius and mean nodes do not go stationary . > > > > Namaste > > Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > - > > "Pursottam" <pursottam_dabasia > > <gjlist> > > Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:54 AM > > RE: [GJ] RAHU + KETU > > > > > > > Om Krsnaaya Namah > > > > > > Dear... > > > > > > >>please could someone explain if it's better to use true nodes or mean > > > nodes ( > > > as this one is always retro on his motion ) ?<< > > > > > > Different jyotishis will give you different opinions on this matter. > > > Classically, the nodes are said to ALWAYS be retrograde. This only > happens > > > if the mean nodes are used. Also, I read somewhere in a book that the > > "true" > > > nodes are actually no truer than the mean nodes - it's simply a > different > > > method of calculation that some prefer, although I don't remember the > > > details of the explanation. > > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > > > Pursottam > > > > > > > > > > > > _______ > > > > > > Get your free @ address at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah Hi All, I would just like to make sure that any confusion I caused on my position on this issue through my badly articulated posts: >>True nodes are indispensible for Gocahra . I think even Purusottama acknowledged this and he uses mean nodes !<< Actually, if I had to choose only one to stick to it would be the mean nodes. In the natal charts, especially the Vargas, I think mean nodes win for definite. What I mean in the case of gochara is that I get exact hits sometimes from mean and sometimes from true. So I pay attention to both, as Rick Houck recommended in "The Astrology of Death". Based on transits alone, I wouldn't consider either more important or indispensible than the other. But overall I feel mean nodes work best. Nevertheless, I believe that the inconsistencies I have found in the nodal transit hits is most likely due to the operation of deeper or more subtle factors. >>same as stating the positive . To be consistent those who advocate mean nodes could use the mean position of every planet ! << Just out of interest, and because I don't know the astronomy behind this in great detail, can I ask if using true or mean planetary positions would make as a great a difference in planetary positions as the node positions do? I suspect it may be something like the parallax correction - though it can be applied for all planets, a significant difference is only seen in the Moon's position. But I'd be interested to know. Thanks for your help, Pursottam _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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