more stock market mayhem - inauguration chart

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

 

After some discussion with my colleague Andrew Lynn, I can better

appreciate the full extent of the upcoming meltdown in some other charts.

The obvious and perhaps most reliable chart for matters of national

importance is the 2001 Inauguration chart of Bush(Jan 20, 2001, 12.02 pm

Washington, DC). As we know, this chart is severely afflicted and

compelled many, if not most, astrologers to predict doom and gloom for the

Bush presidency. This has largely come to pass already and we're only one

year into it. What's also fascinating is its usefulness in timing matters.

 

Most fundamentally, we turn first to transits for Monday Jan 28th 2002.

Here I'm using unequal sripati houses. As indicated previously, one of

Houck's great but simple insights was to point out the role of Uranus

ingresses in stock market drops. This has occurred in the two previous

Uranus ingresses to the day, including the 1987 crash. What's also

noteworthy is that transiting Uranus 00Aq07 (the actual ingress occuring on

Saturday when the market is closed) is squaring natal Saturn 00Ta18 in the

Inauguration chart. In this Aries rising chart, Saturn is the 11th lord of

gains in the 2nd house of wealth, suggesting sudden or shocking events,

probably negative given Saturn's maleficence, that will affect the wealth

of the country. Also notice that transiting Saturn 14Ta21, still

retrograde, will be less than a degree from the sripati 2nd cusp 14Ta52.

This is suggests restrictions or loss of wealth. Incredibly, transiting

Mars 13Pi14 that day is within a couple of degrees of the 12th house cusp

of 14Pi52. I would interpret this another indicator of loss.

 

It's also worth noting that transiting Pluto 23Sc08 is moving into an exact

square with 2L Venus 24Aq00. This gives a longer term, more solid

foundation for the huge changes/destruction of wealth that are occurring

under this presidency. And that day at the opening of trading at 9.30 am on

the 28th, transiting Sun 14Cp41, natally in the 10th house, will be in

exact conjunction with Neptune 14Cp42, suggesting a weakening or

disappearance of leadership. Will the administration assume a bunker

mentality and let things unravel too far before intervening or even

reassuring the public? In addition, transiting retrograde Mercury 12Cp51

will be in exact conjunction with natal Neptune 12Cp17 in the 10th. Given

that Mercury is the planet of communications and rules the 3rd house, there

is a sense that communication systems might break down or not function well

that day. Not really too surprising perhaps, given that the market

computers have sometimes overloaded and broken down with large trading

volumes typical of sharp drops. It might also be the case that we won't

know what's really going on in the market for a while owing to larger,

system-wide communication difficulties.

 

If those transits weren't telling enough, there is a whole other layer of

progressions that paint the same picture. The natal lagnesh, Mars, which

so infamously opposes the Asc within 2 degrees natally, will move to 00Sc08

by tertiary progression on the 28th. This exactly opposes natal 2H Saturn

and will be square to the Uranus ingress. A tension filled T-square will

be so formed here with Saturn, Mars, and Uranus. By minor progression, the

Asc moves to 24Ta21, an exact square with 2L Venus 24Aq00. Minor

progressed MC 1Aq06, is also closely tied to transiting Uranus in early

Aquarius and is just past an exact square with natal Saturn 00Ta18. (NB:

Minor progressed angles move about three times faster than tertiary

progressed angles, about one degree every ten days.) Minor progressed

Saturn has advanced to 00Ta48 and thus the progressed MC is still in a

close, less than one degree orb with it. In addition, minor progressed

Mars (again!) 7Sc40 is exactly opposed natal Jupiter 7Ta27 in the 2H. On

the basis on these progressions, it's clear that 2nd house matters will be

the focus of the administration at this time, and given the planets

involved, it seems inescapable that the events concerned will be negative

and shocking.

 

Finally, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that the Inauguration chart

will be running Merc-Rahu, as it was at the outset. This may or may not be

significant for the financial forecast depending on how one interprets

Rahu. It is in the 3rd house unafflicted, and its dispositor Mercury is in

the 10th with Sun, Uranus,and Neptune. It is only 3 degrees from a

conjunction with Uranus. Worse still, Mars afflicts Mercury almost exactly

with less than one degree orb. Clearly, this Mercury will bring sudden

outbreaks of violence that promise to upset the country and endanger the

president. But Rahu only can be tied to wealth matters if the nakshatras

are invoked. Rahu is in Jupiter star, and Jupiter is in tough shape in the

2nd with Saturn, afflicted by Mars' 8H aspect. Jupiter bhuktie begins Feb

17 using krishnamurti (Mar 30 using lahiri), so the financial picture

doesn't look like it's going to improve anytime soon.

 

Chris

[Guest guest]

Dear Chris,

 

Your analysis and discussion of a possible economic meltdown has been

fascinating to read even though I have to look up my books as we go along.

Anything that happens in USA always affects us very badly as well in RSA.

Could you, in a nutshell, sum up your findings on this matter? Or is it too

complex for that?

 

Robyn

 

 

-

"Christopher Kevill" <ckevill

<gjlist>; <jyotish-list

Sunday, January 13, 2002 7:38 PM

[GJ] more stock market mayhem - inauguration chart

 

 

> Hello All,

>

> After some discussion with my colleague Andrew Lynn, I can better

> appreciate the full extent of the upcoming meltdown in some other charts.

> The obvious and perhaps most reliable chart for matters of national

> importance is the 2001 Inauguration chart of Bush(Jan 20, 2001, 12.02 pm

> Washington, DC). As we know, this chart is severely afflicted and

> compelled many, if not most, astrologers to predict doom and gloom for the

> Bush presidency. This has largely come to pass already and we're only one

> year into it. What's also fascinating is its usefulness in timing

matters.

>

> Most fundamentally, we turn first to transits for Monday Jan 28th 2002.

> Here I'm using unequal sripati houses. As indicated previously, one of

> Houck's great but simple insights was to point out the role of Uranus

> ingresses in stock market drops. This has occurred in the two previous

> Uranus ingresses to the day, including the 1987 crash. What's also

> noteworthy is that transiting Uranus 00Aq07 (the actual ingress occuring

on

> Saturday when the market is closed) is squaring natal Saturn 00Ta18 in the

> Inauguration chart. In this Aries rising chart, Saturn is the 11th lord

of

> gains in the 2nd house of wealth, suggesting sudden or shocking events,

> probably negative given Saturn's maleficence, that will affect the wealth

> of the country. Also notice that transiting Saturn 14Ta21, still

> retrograde, will be less than a degree from the sripati 2nd cusp 14Ta52.

> This is suggests restrictions or loss of wealth. Incredibly, transiting

> Mars 13Pi14 that day is within a couple of degrees of the 12th house cusp

> of 14Pi52. I would interpret this another indicator of loss.

>

> It's also worth noting that transiting Pluto 23Sc08 is moving into an

exact

> square with 2L Venus 24Aq00. This gives a longer term, more solid

> foundation for the huge changes/destruction of wealth that are occurring

> under this presidency. And that day at the opening of trading at 9.30 am

on

> the 28th, transiting Sun 14Cp41, natally in the 10th house, will be in

> exact conjunction with Neptune 14Cp42, suggesting a weakening or

> disappearance of leadership. Will the administration assume a bunker

> mentality and let things unravel too far before intervening or even

> reassuring the public? In addition, transiting retrograde Mercury 12Cp51

> will be in exact conjunction with natal Neptune 12Cp17 in the 10th. Given

> that Mercury is the planet of communications and rules the 3rd house,

there

> is a sense that communication systems might break down or not function

well

> that day. Not really too surprising perhaps, given that the market

> computers have sometimes overloaded and broken down with large trading

> volumes typical of sharp drops. It might also be the case that we won't

> know what's really going on in the market for a while owing to larger,

> system-wide communication difficulties.

>

> If those transits weren't telling enough, there is a whole other layer of

> progressions that paint the same picture. The natal lagnesh, Mars, which

> so infamously opposes the Asc within 2 degrees natally, will move to

00Sc08

> by tertiary progression on the 28th. This exactly opposes natal 2H Saturn

> and will be square to the Uranus ingress. A tension filled T-square will

> be so formed here with Saturn, Mars, and Uranus. By minor progression,

the

> Asc moves to 24Ta21, an exact square with 2L Venus 24Aq00. Minor

> progressed MC 1Aq06, is also closely tied to transiting Uranus in early

> Aquarius and is just past an exact square with natal Saturn 00Ta18. (NB:

> Minor progressed angles move about three times faster than tertiary

> progressed angles, about one degree every ten days.) Minor progressed

> Saturn has advanced to 00Ta48 and thus the progressed MC is still in a

> close, less than one degree orb with it. In addition, minor progressed

> Mars (again!) 7Sc40 is exactly opposed natal Jupiter 7Ta27 in the 2H. On

> the basis on these progressions, it's clear that 2nd house matters will be

> the focus of the administration at this time, and given the planets

> involved, it seems inescapable that the events concerned will be negative

> and shocking.

>

> Finally, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that the Inauguration chart

> will be running Merc-Rahu, as it was at the outset. This may or may not

be

> significant for the financial forecast depending on how one interprets

> Rahu. It is in the 3rd house unafflicted, and its dispositor Mercury is

in

> the 10th with Sun, Uranus,and Neptune. It is only 3 degrees from a

> conjunction with Uranus. Worse still, Mars afflicts Mercury almost

exactly

> with less than one degree orb. Clearly, this Mercury will bring sudden

> outbreaks of violence that promise to upset the country and endanger the

> president. But Rahu only can be tied to wealth matters if the nakshatras

> are invoked. Rahu is in Jupiter star, and Jupiter is in tough shape in

the

> 2nd with Saturn, afflicted by Mars' 8H aspect. Jupiter bhuktie begins Feb

> 17 using krishnamurti (Mar 30 using lahiri), so the financial picture

> doesn't look like it's going to improve anytime soon.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chris

 

I admire any astrologer who has the guts to make predictions and

substantiate them with astro data as you have. Would you mind if I counter

your argument? I hope not. I'm fortunate that here in Dallas we have a

study group that is forming again "YEA!" and we disagree and back up our

positions. I'm going to counter some of yours, not to say you are wrong,

just to say that I have seen it differently. Please, do not take offense,

I'm just playing and not attacking.

>

> After some discussion with my colleague Andrew Lynn, I can better

> appreciate the full extent of the upcoming meltdown in some other charts.

> The obvious and perhaps most reliable chart for matters of national

> importance is the 2001 Inauguration chart of Bush(Jan 20, 2001, 12.02 pm

> Washington, DC). As we know, this chart is severely afflicted and

> compelled many, if not most, astrologers to predict doom and gloom for the

> Bush presidency. This has largely come to pass already and we're only one

> year into it. What's also fascinating is its usefulness in timing

matters.

>

[ME]

 

Early in 2001 I began using the inaug. chart. I was most interested in the

timing of when a transit triggered that sensitive Moon (the people in

mundane astrology) and I did not get good results. There is a presidence

set for it with the SN in Bush's chart triggering Mars in Cheney's and the

Moon in the inaug. chart. Occasionally it worked but usually it did not. I

then started to focus on "W's" chart and it plays very clearly. I also look

at the US chart that I have had good results from and used that for the week

of 9-10 prediction. Still, the best charts that I have found are simply the

charts of the 4 main lunar phases. The emotions of the people reflect the

stockmarket because it is simply the movement of money based upon fear or

enthusiasm.

 

Doing this, and using the nakshatras the market looks strong for the end of

January. Sure, Mercury and Saturn are Rx but SAturn is in parivatna (mutual

exchange) with Venus the lord of money. Venus is in Shravana, a friend's

sign and certainly tentative or listening for a cue. In the beginning of

Feb. Venus enters Dhanishta, the nak. of business and is quickly followed by

the Sun. Perhaps the Sun will burn Venus, but the mutual exchange with

SAturn lingers and should indicate a time of rebuilding. I think this will

indicate that the economic incentive plan will be pushed through. Then we

have the SAturn station and Merucry station just two days apart. Mercury in

Capricorn is also disposited by Saturn and so spills into the Saturn Venus

exchange. So, I really do not see the market dive you describe. This looks

more like working together.

 

The whole time Mars, a friend to GW's chart is transiting his 9th house and

triggering his fortunate gegia kesari / raja yoga. Mars moves into his 10th

on 2-21st and should give him energy and momentum. I find for "W" the

gathering of planets in late Taurus on his nodal axis to be more

challenging. Still, the 11th house is a upachya house and the malefics do

well there. Note that with Saturn in the 11th he won a difficult election

and has risen in popularity. That suggests to me that Saturn, even though

it is lord of the 8th, is not such an ominous planet for this chart. I have

noticed that nodal returns for folks born on eclipses and kala sarpa yogas,

as his is, are much more intense. One thing I have seen in ol' "W" is his

willingness to let others do their jobs. When a kala sarpa lets go of

control they are often amazing. It is as if they allow themselves to be

used by the universe for what is needed and often manifest extraordinary

courage and results.

 

The 29th is just around the corner so we will see. In the mean time I tip

my hat to you.

 

c

 

 

 

 

> Most fundamentally, we turn first to transits for Monday Jan 28th 2002.

> Here I'm using unequal sripati houses. As indicated previously, one of

> Houck's great but simple insights was to point out the role of Uranus

> ingresses in stock market drops. This has occurred in the two previous

> Uranus ingresses to the day, including the 1987 crash. What's also

> noteworthy is that transiting Uranus 00Aq07 (the actual ingress occuring

on

> Saturday when the market is closed) is squaring natal Saturn 00Ta18 in the

> Inauguration chart. In this Aries rising chart, Saturn is the 11th lord

of

> gains in the 2nd house of wealth, suggesting sudden or shocking events,

> probably negative given Saturn's maleficence, that will affect the wealth

> of the country. Also notice that transiting Saturn 14Ta21, still

> retrograde, will be less than a degree from the sripati 2nd cusp 14Ta52.

> This is suggests restrictions or loss of wealth. Incredibly, transiting

> Mars 13Pi14 that day is within a couple of degrees of the 12th house cusp

> of 14Pi52. I would interpret this another indicator of loss.

>

> It's also worth noting that transiting Pluto 23Sc08 is moving into an

exact

> square with 2L Venus 24Aq00. This gives a longer term, more solid

> foundation for the huge changes/destruction of wealth that are occurring

> under this presidency. And that day at the opening of trading at 9.30 am

on

> the 28th, transiting Sun 14Cp41, natally in the 10th house, will be in

> exact conjunction with Neptune 14Cp42, suggesting a weakening or

> disappearance of leadership. Will the administration assume a bunker

> mentality and let things unravel too far before intervening or even

> reassuring the public? In addition, transiting retrograde Mercury 12Cp51

> will be in exact conjunction with natal Neptune 12Cp17 in the 10th. Given

> that Mercury is the planet of communications and rules the 3rd house,

there

> is a sense that communication systems might break down or not function

well

> that day. Not really too surprising perhaps, given that the market

> computers have sometimes overloaded and broken down with large trading

> volumes typical of sharp drops. It might also be the case that we won't

> know what's really going on in the market for a while owing to larger,

> system-wide communication difficulties.

>

> If those transits weren't telling enough, there is a whole other layer of

> progressions that paint the same picture. The natal lagnesh, Mars, which

> so infamously opposes the Asc within 2 degrees natally, will move to

00Sc08

> by tertiary progression on the 28th. This exactly opposes natal 2H Saturn

> and will be square to the Uranus ingress. A tension filled T-square will

> be so formed here with Saturn, Mars, and Uranus. By minor progression,

the

> Asc moves to 24Ta21, an exact square with 2L Venus 24Aq00. Minor

> progressed MC 1Aq06, is also closely tied to transiting Uranus in early

> Aquarius and is just past an exact square with natal Saturn 00Ta18. (NB:

> Minor progressed angles move about three times faster than tertiary

> progressed angles, about one degree every ten days.) Minor progressed

> Saturn has advanced to 00Ta48 and thus the progressed MC is still in a

> close, less than one degree orb with it. In addition, minor progressed

> Mars (again!) 7Sc40 is exactly opposed natal Jupiter 7Ta27 in the 2H. On

> the basis on these progressions, it's clear that 2nd house matters will be

> the focus of the administration at this time, and given the planets

> involved, it seems inescapable that the events concerned will be negative

> and shocking.

>

> Finally, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that the Inauguration chart

> will be running Merc-Rahu, as it was at the outset. This may or may not

be

> significant for the financial forecast depending on how one interprets

> Rahu. It is in the 3rd house unafflicted, and its dispositor Mercury is

in

> the 10th with Sun, Uranus,and Neptune. It is only 3 degrees from a

> conjunction with Uranus. Worse still, Mars afflicts Mercury almost

exactly

> with less than one degree orb. Clearly, this Mercury will bring sudden

> outbreaks of violence that promise to upset the country and endanger the

> president. But Rahu only can be tied to wealth matters if the nakshatras

> are invoked. Rahu is in Jupiter star, and Jupiter is in tough shape in

the

> 2nd with Saturn, afflicted by Mars' 8H aspect. Jupiter bhuktie begins Feb

> 17 using krishnamurti (Mar 30 using lahiri), so the financial picture

> doesn't look like it's going to improve anytime soon.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Group

 

The conclusions reached by myself and Chris came after much discussion.

Originally, Pundit Navaratnam told me the ingress of Uranus into the

humanitarian sign of Aquarius will bring great change in human thinking and

values. Ever since I saw the inauguration chart of Bush I have been

convinced economic meltdown was just a matter of time. In conversations with

Chris he told me Richard Houck had actually written about a market crash in

one of his ephemeris's. He gave the date of the Uranus ingress also.

Considering all this I thought it was time to take a very close look at what

was going on.

 

Looking at the chart of the Bush inauguration, the NASDAC and the chart of

the ingress of Uranus we see a huge array of dramatic hits by transit and

progression to key areas in each chart. The NASDAC chart has the natal nodes

at 00 degrees across the Aquarius/Leo axis. Transit Uranus will hit this

point which is pivotal as the NASDAC chart is running Ketu/Ketu dasha.

Combine this with tertiary progressed Venus being at 00 degrees in Taurus in

the 2nd house of wealth and the Moon being at 00 degrees Virgo then we can

see the heavy hits for the Monday morning 28th January 2002.

 

What is so amazing is the Saturn of the inauguration chart is located in the

2nd house in Taurus also at 00 degrees. This Saturn has 0 Bindus in

Ashtakarvarga and is hammered by 8th lord Mars by 8th house aspect. Tertiary

progressed Sun in the NASDAC chart is in Pisces in the 12th house and will

be conjunct transit Mars on this day and exactly square transit Jupiter. A

huge amount of action is going down around the 14 degree mark also which is

pivotal considering the last eclipse fell at 14 degrees Gemini and Saturn is

in its deepest point of retrograde motion in the natural sign of wealth

Taurus- at 14 degrees.

 

Rather than list all the other heavy aspects I would advise all astrologers

to cast the inauguration chart, the NASDAC chart, George Bush's chart and

then look at the transit chart for 28th January 2002. As most dramatic

trouble springs up on a Tuesday (Mars day)- the 29th may also be a day to

watch. While not wanting to be seen as a profit of gloom and destruction,

you cannot ignore the fact that on the last two Uranus ingresses there has

been a stockmarket downturn. I also don't think these malefic aspects in the

inauguration should be understated. Since Bush has come to power we have

seen an attack on the U.S- (8th lord Mars aspecting the lagna). War (Mars in

the 7th house in hard square to Sun, Uranus etc). Mars in this hard aspect

to Uranus would indicate many sudden attacks, war, destruction and attacks

on the Bush government during his term.

 

The 10th house of authority is under attack from Mars and we have the lagna,

Pluto and the nodes at 20 degrees. Mars at 22 degrees enters the equation.

The 2nd and 11th lords Venus and Saturn are in exchange- so this malefic

Saturn at 00 degrees Taurus actually influences the 11th house in Aquarius.

Symbolically this ingress of Uranus into Aquarius at 00 degrees is very very

powerful. In the inauguration chart Saturn casting its most malefic aspect

onto transit Uranus is enough for me alone to think sudden trouble. The

Nasdac chart has Rahu at 00 degrees. Is this all one big

coincidence.............

 

Skinbags

[Guest guest]

Thanks Andrew. I shall watch the end of the month with interest. Now down to

some work to understand all you have said!

 

Robyn

-

"Andrew Lynn" <skinbags

<gjlist>

Monday, January 14, 2002 9:20 AM

Re: [GJ] more stock market mayhem - inauguration chart

 

 

> Dear Group

>

> The conclusions reached by myself and Chris came after much discussion.

> Originally, Pundit Navaratnam told me the ingress of Uranus into the

> humanitarian sign of Aquarius will bring great change in human thinking

and

> values. Ever since I saw the inauguration chart of Bush I have been

> convinced economic meltdown was just a matter of time. In conversations

with

> Chris he told me Richard Houck had actually written about a market crash

in

> one of his ephemeris's. He gave the date of the Uranus ingress also.

> Considering all this I thought it was time to take a very close look at

what

> was going on.

>

> Looking at the chart of the Bush inauguration, the NASDAC and the chart of

> the ingress of Uranus we see a huge array of dramatic hits by transit and

> progression to key areas in each chart. The NASDAC chart has the natal

nodes

> at 00 degrees across the Aquarius/Leo axis. Transit Uranus will hit this

> point which is pivotal as the NASDAC chart is running Ketu/Ketu dasha.

> Combine this with tertiary progressed Venus being at 00 degrees in Taurus

in

> the 2nd house of wealth and the Moon being at 00 degrees Virgo then we can

> see the heavy hits for the Monday morning 28th January 2002.

>

> What is so amazing is the Saturn of the inauguration chart is located in

the

> 2nd house in Taurus also at 00 degrees. This Saturn has 0 Bindus in

> Ashtakarvarga and is hammered by 8th lord Mars by 8th house aspect.

Tertiary

> progressed Sun in the NASDAC chart is in Pisces in the 12th house and will

> be conjunct transit Mars on this day and exactly square transit Jupiter. A

> huge amount of action is going down around the 14 degree mark also which

is

> pivotal considering the last eclipse fell at 14 degrees Gemini and Saturn

is

> in its deepest point of retrograde motion in the natural sign of wealth

> Taurus- at 14 degrees.

>

> Rather than list all the other heavy aspects I would advise all

astrologers

> to cast the inauguration chart, the NASDAC chart, George Bush's chart and

> then look at the transit chart for 28th January 2002. As most dramatic

> trouble springs up on a Tuesday (Mars day)- the 29th may also be a day to

> watch. While not wanting to be seen as a profit of gloom and destruction,

> you cannot ignore the fact that on the last two Uranus ingresses there has

> been a stockmarket downturn. I also don't think these malefic aspects in

the

> inauguration should be understated. Since Bush has come to power we have

> seen an attack on the U.S- (8th lord Mars aspecting the lagna). War (Mars

in

> the 7th house in hard square to Sun, Uranus etc). Mars in this hard

aspect

> to Uranus would indicate many sudden attacks, war, destruction and attacks

> on the Bush government during his term.

>

> The 10th house of authority is under attack from Mars and we have the

lagna,

> Pluto and the nodes at 20 degrees. Mars at 22 degrees enters the equation.

> The 2nd and 11th lords Venus and Saturn are in exchange- so this malefic

> Saturn at 00 degrees Taurus actually influences the 11th house in

Aquarius.

> Symbolically this ingress of Uranus into Aquarius at 00 degrees is very

very

> powerful. In the inauguration chart Saturn casting its most malefic aspect

> onto transit Uranus is enough for me alone to think sudden trouble. The

> Nasdac chart has Rahu at 00 degrees. Is this all one big

> coincidence.............

>

> Skinbags

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Robyn

 

It is one thing to try to predict these events but the thing that myself and

Christopher have been trying to fathom is if a movement downwards on the

stockmarket is to take place- just what will trigger it? Our thinking has

turned to Japan and its stockmarket which is also under malefic influence at

this time also. However, economic downturns can also be linked to other

malefic events so it is interesting to speculate.

 

The whole election of Bush was tainted with skullduggery and monkey business

and it was very interesting watching late night U.S T.V last night. Both Pat

Buchanan and Ralph Nader were on flogging books and BOTH said they actually

thought Al Gore was the real winner of the election!! This has karmic

indications for Bush as the last U.S President to be elected under some

cloud of suspicion was J.F.K and we all know what happened to him!

 

Bush is riding high while the war on terrorism is going but will he remain

popular if the economic chickens come home to roost. The insurance bill

alone from September 11th is said to be around 140 billion dollars. I feel

there must be a catch up effect and adjustment economically.

 

Another thing is the bill for the war on terrorism, the military action in

Afghanistan has yet to be paid for and a flow on effect is another thing to

consider.............

 

Skinbags

[Guest guest]

Dear Andrew,

 

Interesting. Interesting also the report on .com last night on the

predictions that the economic slump has turned. I would say they are

counting their chickens before they are hatched.

 

Having been married to a stock market analyst (prof of applied mathematics)

the one thing I learnt was that the market is not only susceptible to

economic/political forces, but to the state of mind of investors. A very

unquantifiable factor and one which scientists hate to admit. The media is

also (a la Noam Chomsky) a pivotal factor in these things.

 

I have found the whole debate thoroughly fascinating and helping me to

understand the application of Jyotish to the mundane. Let me not interrupt

this flow!

 

Om Tat Sat

 

Robyn

 

 

-

"Andrew Lynn" <skinbags

<gjlist>

Monday, January 14, 2002 10:26 AM

Re: [GJ] more stock market mayhem - inauguration chart

 

 

> Dear Robyn

>

> It is one thing to try to predict these events but the thing that myself

and

> Christopher have been trying to fathom is if a movement downwards on the

> stockmarket is to take place- just what will trigger it? Our thinking has

> turned to Japan and its stockmarket which is also under malefic influence

at

> this time also. However, economic downturns can also be linked to other

> malefic events so it is interesting to speculate.

>

> The whole election of Bush was tainted with skullduggery and monkey

business

> and it was very interesting watching late night U.S T.V last night. Both

Pat

> Buchanan and Ralph Nader were on flogging books and BOTH said they

actually

> thought Al Gore was the real winner of the election!! This has karmic

> indications for Bush as the last U.S President to be elected under some

> cloud of suspicion was J.F.K and we all know what happened to him!

>

> Bush is riding high while the war on terrorism is going but will he remain

> popular if the economic chickens come home to roost. The insurance bill

> alone from September 11th is said to be around 140 billion dollars. I feel

> there must be a catch up effect and adjustment economically.

>

> Another thing is the bill for the war on terrorism, the military action in

> Afghanistan has yet to be paid for and a flow on effect is another thing

to

> consider.............

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[Guest guest]

Dear Andrew

 

How has the inauguration chart worked for you thus far? What have you

predicted accurately from it?

 

cynthia

[Guest guest]

I'm not a very good astrologer, but I've been squinting at the Constitution

chart for about a day. One thing I noticed was that we're coming up on our

country's Jupiter return, which comes around every twelve years or so. You'd

think this would be a good omen, especially in light of the fact that it

returns to the second house, but the last two returns were in 1990 and before

that in 1978.

1990 was a very bad year for our economy, and was the beginning of the Gulf War.

The return period covered the period of 90 to the end of 91 or thereabouts --

that was our last recession.

1978 was one of the worst of the Carter years, the birthday of the Islamic

revolution in Iran, and a period of oil crisis. In that same period, 78-79,

the Soviets rolled into Afghanistan.

These were not very good years for the US, and a lot ( all) of our concerns came

out of the regions of central and east asia.

I wonder if that twelve year cycle sets us up to take crises and losses, and in

addition aggression from Middle Eastern states.

I spent about two hours looking for a significator that gave the flavor of the

problems to come around the return but it came up a dud. Nothing was specific

enough...I was looking for a particular lord that is activated as well during

these times that fits.

C

[Guest guest]

Cynthia,

 

>

>Early in 2001 I began using the inaug. chart. I was most interested in the

>timing of when a transit triggered that sensitive Moon (the people in

>mundane astrology) and I did not get good results. There is a presidence

>set for it with the SN in Bush's chart triggering Mars in Cheney's and the

>Moon in the inaug. chart. Occasionally it worked but usually it did not. I

>then started to focus on "W's" chart and it plays very clearly. I also look

>at the US chart that I have had good results from and used that for the week

>of 9-10 prediction. Still, the best charts that I have found are simply the

>charts of the 4 main lunar phases. The emotions of the people reflect the

>stockmarket because it is simply the movement of money based upon fear or

>enthusiasm.

 

I think getting good results from any chart involves using techniques that

work consistently. One also know how to interpret them correctly, and

that's a whole other matter. My sense is that something of Sept 11 could

have been predicted using in the Inauguration chart. As you know, I use

progressions and directions, in addition to transits and dashas.

 

Some important transits might have been Saturn20Ta58 exactly opposing the

natal 8th house Pluto 20Sc38 and Rahu 8Ge29 squaring the natal Part of

fortune 8Pi50 (this is a tajik saham or arabic part: Asc+Moon-Sun). Sure

we don't usually think of Rahu casting a 10th house/square aspect, but I've

seen it too many times to ignore. And it's presence here squaring a

significant point in the chart only reaffirms this belief. And as we know,

transiting Mars at 7Sg41 with Ketu was squaring this part of fortune as well.

 

There were two eclipses before Sept 11, a solar on Jun 21 and a lunar on

Jul 15. The solar eclipse was at 6Ge24. Now, when they look into

eclipses, lots of people are content to look at this point, and see if

there are any hits to a natal chart and leave it at that. I think this is

totally shortsighted. The real action in an eclipse chart lies in the

angles and all the other planetary contacts. In other words, you have to

cast the whole eclipse chart! Using geocentric moon position, note that SE

MC 19Pi20 is in a one degree square to the nodes in the Inauguration chart

20Ge52. This is make much more ominous I feel because *both* Rahu and Ketu

are afflicted in the chart. Rahu is unaspected by dispositor Mercury is in

close conjunction with Uranus (also with Neptune and Sun in the 10th)

aspected by MArs with less than a one degree orb. This sets up a sort of

chain reaction potential whenever the nodes will be acitivated. The solar

eclipse MC did activate this afflicted Rahu. Ketu isn't better, as its

dispositor Jupiter is conjunct Saturn in the 2nd house aspected by Mars.

There is very little room for these nodes to express anything positive.

That's another reason to be pessimistic about this administration.

 

One other salient point is the placement of Mars in the eclipse. It was

retrograde at 26Sc29. This was just past a conjunction with the Moon

25Sc17 in the 8th house. To make this configuration really bad, notice

that Moon is conjunct Pluto 20Sc38 there too. Think about it: a

debilitated Moon conjunct Pluto in the 8th house transited by Mars.

There's no way anything good can come of that! The Moon is the 4th lord

(the land, the people) here and itself is a karaka for the people, so it

stands that there would be an injury or attack on the people or the land.

That's basically what happened.

 

Now, once the eclipse activated the maleficence of Rahu and Ketu, it takes

transits to translate that energy into a manifested reality. It's

important to note that on Sept 11th, transiting Mars was at 7Sg41 -- just

one degree past an exact opposition to the eclipse point. (And that's

where you *can* use the eclipse point) Also transiting Moon 4Ge28 was just

2 degrees/4 hours away from conjuncting that solar eclipse point of June 21.

 

So it's all there in the Inauguration chart, you just have to know where to

find it. And I'm not trying to be arrogant here, as I'd be the first one

to say that I didn't see 9-11 coming. But then again, I wasn't paying much

attention to the inauguration or to Bush's chart. But I really think these

eclipse charts tell a very important part of the story we all need to

learn. It's too bad there isn't more vedic analyses written on eclipses.

As far as I know, westerners have published more on the subject.

 

The tertiary and minor progressions tell some good stories here too as does

the lunar eclipse, I'm sure, but I'll leave it here now.

 

regards,

Chris

 

 

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>Doing this, and using the nakshatras the market looks strong for the end of

>January. Sure, Mercury and Saturn are Rx but SAturn is in parivatna (mutual

>exchange) with Venus the lord of money. Venus is in Shravana, a friend's

>sign and certainly tentative or listening for a cue. In the beginning of

>Feb. Venus enters Dhanishta, the nak. of business and is quickly followed by

>the Sun. Perhaps the Sun will burn Venus, but the mutual exchange with

>SAturn lingers and should indicate a time of rebuilding. I think this will

>indicate that the economic incentive plan will be pushed through. Then we

>have the SAturn station and Merucry station just two days apart. Mercury in

>Capricorn is also disposited by Saturn and so spills into the Saturn Venus

>exchange. So, I really do not see the market dive you describe. This looks

>more like working together.

>

>The whole time Mars, a friend to GW's chart is transiting his 9th house and

>triggering his fortunate gegia kesari / raja yoga. Mars moves into his 10th

>on 2-21st and should give him energy and momentum. I find for "W" the

>gathering of planets in late Taurus on his nodal axis to be more

>challenging. Still, the 11th house is a upachya house and the malefics do

>well there. Note that with Saturn in the 11th he won a difficult election

>and has risen in popularity. That suggests to me that Saturn, even though

>it is lord of the 8th, is not such an ominous planet for this chart. I have

>noticed that nodal returns for folks born on eclipses and kala sarpa yogas,

>as his is, are much more intense. One thing I have seen in ol' "W" is his

>willingness to let others do their jobs. When a kala sarpa lets go of

>control they are often amazing. It is as if they allow themselves to be

>used by the universe for what is needed and often manifest extraordinary

>courage and results.

>

>The 29th is just around the corner so we will see. In the mean time I tip

>my hat to you.

>

>c

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>> Most fundamentally, we turn first to transits for Monday Jan 28th 2002.

>> Here I'm using unequal sripati houses. As indicated previously, one of

>> Houck's great but simple insights was to point out the role of Uranus

>> ingresses in stock market drops. This has occurred in the two previous

>> Uranus ingresses to the day, including the 1987 crash. What's also

>> noteworthy is that transiting Uranus 00Aq07 (the actual ingress occuring

>on

>> Saturday when the market is closed) is squaring natal Saturn 00Ta18 in the

>> Inauguration chart. In this Aries rising chart, Saturn is the 11th lord

>of

>> gains in the 2nd house of wealth, suggesting sudden or shocking events,

>> probably negative given Saturn's maleficence, that will affect the wealth

>> of the country. Also notice that transiting Saturn 14Ta21, still

>> retrograde, will be less than a degree from the sripati 2nd cusp 14Ta52.

>> This is suggests restrictions or loss of wealth. Incredibly, transiting

>> Mars 13Pi14 that day is within a couple of degrees of the 12th house cusp

>> of 14Pi52. I would interpret this another indicator of loss.

>>

>> It's also worth noting that transiting Pluto 23Sc08 is moving into an

>exact

>> square with 2L Venus 24Aq00. This gives a longer term, more solid

>> foundation for the huge changes/destruction of wealth that are occurring

>> under this presidency. And that day at the opening of trading at 9.30 am

>on

>> the 28th, transiting Sun 14Cp41, natally in the 10th house, will be in

>> exact conjunction with Neptune 14Cp42, suggesting a weakening or

>> disappearance of leadership. Will the administration assume a bunker

>> mentality and let things unravel too far before intervening or even

>> reassuring the public? In addition, transiting retrograde Mercury 12Cp51

>> will be in exact conjunction with natal Neptune 12Cp17 in the 10th. Given

>> that Mercury is the planet of communications and rules the 3rd house,

>there

>> is a sense that communication systems might break down or not function

>well

>> that day. Not really too surprising perhaps, given that the market

>> computers have sometimes overloaded and broken down with large trading

>> volumes typical of sharp drops. It might also be the case that we won't

>> know what's really going on in the market for a while owing to larger,

>> system-wide communication difficulties.

>>

>> If those transits weren't telling enough, there is a whole other layer of

>> progressions that paint the same picture. The natal lagnesh, Mars, which

>> so infamously opposes the Asc within 2 degrees natally, will move to

>00Sc08

>> by tertiary progression on the 28th. This exactly opposes natal 2H Saturn

>> and will be square to the Uranus ingress. A tension filled T-square will

>> be so formed here with Saturn, Mars, and Uranus. By minor progression,

>the

>> Asc moves to 24Ta21, an exact square with 2L Venus 24Aq00. Minor

>> progressed MC 1Aq06, is also closely tied to transiting Uranus in early

>> Aquarius and is just past an exact square with natal Saturn 00Ta18. (NB:

>> Minor progressed angles move about three times faster than tertiary

>> progressed angles, about one degree every ten days.) Minor progressed

>> Saturn has advanced to 00Ta48 and thus the progressed MC is still in a

>> close, less than one degree orb with it. In addition, minor progressed

>> Mars (again!) 7Sc40 is exactly opposed natal Jupiter 7Ta27 in the 2H. On

>> the basis on these progressions, it's clear that 2nd house matters will be

>> the focus of the administration at this time, and given the planets

>> involved, it seems inescapable that the events concerned will be negative

>> and shocking.

>>

>> Finally, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that the Inauguration chart

>> will be running Merc-Rahu, as it was at the outset. This may or may not

>be

>> significant for the financial forecast depending on how one interprets

>> Rahu. It is in the 3rd house unafflicted, and its dispositor Mercury is

>in

>> the 10th with Sun, Uranus,and Neptune. It is only 3 degrees from a

>> conjunction with Uranus. Worse still, Mars afflicts Mercury almost

>exactly

>> with less than one degree orb. Clearly, this Mercury will bring sudden

>> outbreaks of violence that promise to upset the country and endanger the

>> president. But Rahu only can be tied to wealth matters if the nakshatras

>> are invoked. Rahu is in Jupiter star, and Jupiter is in tough shape in

>the

>> 2nd with Saturn, afflicted by Mars' 8H aspect. Jupiter bhuktie begins Feb

>> 17 using krishnamurti (Mar 30 using lahiri), so the financial picture

>> doesn't look like it's going to improve anytime soon.

>>

>> Chris

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