Bill Clinton; 9th hse.

January 13, 2002

Dear All,

I think the most important consideration in determining Clinton's Father is the

dasa at birth. According to my calculations he was born under the influence of

SU-SU-ME-SA (rectified time of 08:49 based on marriage etc).

Sun is in 12th and 10th lord Mercury is conjunct malefic Saturn in Saturn's

nakshatra...denying him (at birth) "Paternal happiness". Also note Mercury has

gone to 12th in Dwadashamsha.

The effects due to 9th house would manifest during the dasa of it's lord or the

planet occupying it. Clinton has not yet run a 9th lord (Venus) dasa and his

Mars and Rahu dasas didn't manifest until he was 15 and 22 respectively...so I

don't see how we can say 9th house could be the indicator of father in this

instance.

The 4th house of mother governs such things as general happiness & contentment,

nurturing, emotions etc., these are the things we (as children) turn to our

Mother for.

The 10th governs our status or position in life, our security...as children our

status is (normally) dependant upon Father...these are the things we turn to

our father for.

The 9th, being the house of religion, represents father as Guru, which was once

very much the role of Father...it was certainly the case in the time of

Parashara (perhaps still is in India, I don't know). But father as the

provider, as the figure of authority, as the mother's spouse, as the definitive

father figure; can only be seen from the 10th.

Many people in the West have a spiritual Guru and even before Guru was so

popular they addressed their Priest as "Father"...the Guru/Father is

undoubtedly seen from the 9th as no-one disputes that the 9th represents

Spiritual preceptor.

Much of BPHS commentary on 9th house deals with father's longevity, fortune (or

lack of it)...naturally so being 12th from 10th...However in the 10th house

commentary; 21:2., it's stated. "If the 10th lord is strong and be in

exaltation or in own Rasi/Navamsha, the native will derive extreme paternal

happiness, will enjoy fame and will perform good deeds."

Although much is spoken of father's fortune/misfortune etc., as well as the

native's devotion to father in 9th commentary, I see no reference to "paternal

happiness" as is given in 10th commentary...a similar description as is given

for 4th when the sage refers to "Maternal happiness".

Best Wishes,Wendy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic

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January 13, 2002

Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah

Hi Wendy!

Thanks for your mail on this issue.

The effects due to 9th house would manifest during the dasa of it's lord or the

planet occupying it. Clinton has not yet run a 9th lord (Venus) dasa and his

Mars and Rahu dasas didn't manifest until he was 15 and 22 respectively...so I

don't see how we can say 9th house could be the indicator of father in this

instance.

The problem here is that his birth dasha is on the border - depending on one's

dasha calculation parameters one could get a different sequence, as I do. As

you know I use the parallax corrected Moon, and I get a birth dasha of

Venus-Ketu-Saturn. Venus is the highly afflicted ninth lord, while the

Rahu-Ketu axis sits across the third/ninth. Interestingly enough, if we

speculate and go a little before Clinton's birth, then you have Venus-Ketu-Rahu

running at the time of his father's death, as per my parameters.

The 9th, being the house of religion, represents father as Guru, which was once

very much the role of Father...it was certainly the case in the time of

Perhaps, but not necessarily. According to the Vedic historical texts, such as

the Ramayana and the Mahabharata as well as the Puranas, the kids (or at least

the kshatriya kids) would have at left their parents home at the age of about

five and would have gone to live at the ashram of their Guru, whose duty it was

to teach the child about material as well as spiritual subjects. The father's

duty as Guru was somewhat limited, unless perhaps the father was also a

Brahmana Guru, and trained others children, as well as his own.

Much of BPHS commentary on 9th house deals with father's longevity, fortune (or

lack of it)...naturally so being 12th from 10th.

Yes, but the father's fortune, longevity, fame and nature are issues that may be

analysed from the ascendant of the father. I don't see why a strong twelfth

house from the tenth should make the father so long-lived, famous, "a king

endowed with conveyances", wealthy etc. To me, these results seem to make more

sense with a strong first house (obviously these results can't be taken

literally and applied verbatim, but this is the general range of results given

in BPHS for a strong ninth). Similarly, a sixth lord in the ninth leading to

the native having enmity with the father makes more sense if the ninth is the

direct house of the father, not if it is the twelfth house from the direct

house. Also eighth or twelfth lord in the ninth leading to shortened longevity

makes more sense with the ninth being the direct house of the father, rather

than twelfth from father.

However, you are right that there is one verse in the chapter dealing with the

tenth house which attributes "paternal happiness" to the tenth house.

Nevertheless, there are also so many dealing with the ninth, as I have shown,

and so the ninth cannot be ignored in light of the fact that a large majority

of the shlokas in the chapter of the ninth house deal with the father.

Although much is spoken of father's fortune/misfortune etc., as well as the

native's devotion to father in 9th commentary, I see no reference to "paternal

happiness" as is given in 10th commentary...a similar description as is given

for 4th when the sage refers to "Maternal happiness".

And the fourth also mentions the mother's longevity, as does the ninth house

chapter. I also think that all those characteristics of being wealthy,

long-lived famous etc. are all just different facets of "paternal happiness".

Thanks for joining in,

Pursottam

January 13, 2002

Thank you Pursottam,

And oddly enough I was also going to mention that, according to the traditional

method of calculating Moon, and thus Vimshottari dasa periods, Sun (father in

12th) dasa began aprox 3mths prior to his birth. But I thought, rather than

confuse the facts, it would be best to leave that out.

Best Wishes,Wendy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic

Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

..Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah