Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Dear Hari Das <<In his new book James Braha says, Rahu and Ketu aspects 5th and 9th according to sage Parashara in BPHS and he finds that to be true in his 20 year experience. >> I have more years experience than that but i have a different belief. I think that in this case again, it is a case of belief. I believe that Rahu aspects 1/5/7/9/12 and Ketu only 1, or the sign occupied. Best wishes natabara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 please could someone explain if it's better to use true nodes or mean nodes ( as this one is always retro on his motion ) ? Sometimes there's about one degree difference & it's enough to place into another sign house or nakshatra. thnaks a lot for your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 Dear Natabara, Wendy and Deepak Thanks for the reply. Om Shanti Hari Das ---------- "natabara" <natabara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> "GJlist" <gjlist> [GJ] RAHU + KETU Fri, Jan 11, 2002, 10:46 AM Dear Hari Das <<In his new book James Braha says, Rahu and Ketu aspects 5th and 9th according to sage Parashara in BPHS and he finds that to be true in his 20 year experience. >> I have more years experience than that but i have a different belief. I think that in this case again, it is a case of belief. I believe that Rahu aspects 1/5/7/9/12 and Ketu only 1, or the sign occupied. Best wishes natabara Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 Om Krsnaaya Namah Dear... >>please could someone explain if it's better to use true nodes or mean nodes ( as this one is always retro on his motion ) ?<< Different jyotishis will give you different opinions on this matter. Classically, the nodes are said to ALWAYS be retrograde. This only happens if the mean nodes are used. Also, I read somewhere in a book that the "true" nodes are actually no truer than the mean nodes - it's simply a different method of calculation that some prefer, although I don't remember the details of the explanation. Hope this helps, Pursottam _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 Dear Pususottama I do not recall any text that says the nodes are always retrograde rather the absence of mention of forward motion could be because these are not astrologically significant .Not saying the negative is not the same thing as stating the positive .James Brahu wrote in his first book that when the nodes go forward they become auspicious but his teacher Santhanam chastised him for this saying it was not the case(the auspiciousness that is Santhanam had taught Braha to use true nodes ) . Let me present a recent example of correct prediction using true nodes by Pandit Sateesh Batas .In the Australian birth chart (January 1st 1901 37s50 145e00 12.00 AM Virgo Lagna ) you will find Jupiter at 3.24 in Sagittarius ..Jupiter as 4th Lord rules the homeland .Now in late December and early January Ketu was practically stationary at around 3.16 Sagittarius .What Panditji did was combine the incendiary nature of Ketu with the idea of the fourth Lord and knowing the time of year in Australia predicted serious bushfires .Over this period this certainly manifested and I think the story has been on the international news . By comprison JHL program which uses mean nodes has Ketu around a degree less in Sagittarius and mean nodes do not go stationary . Namaste Nicholas - "Pursottam" <pursottam_dabasia <gjlist> Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:54 AM RE: [GJ] RAHU + KETU > Om Krsnaaya Namah > > Dear... > > >>please could someone explain if it's better to use true nodes or mean > nodes ( > as this one is always retro on his motion ) ?<< > > Different jyotishis will give you different opinions on this matter. > Classically, the nodes are said to ALWAYS be retrograde. This only happens > if the mean nodes are used. Also, I read somewhere in a book that the "true" > nodes are actually no truer than the mean nodes - it's simply a different > method of calculation that some prefer, although I don't remember the > details of the explanation. > > Hope this helps, > > Pursottam > > > > _______ > > Get your free @ address at > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 ok, thanks for youy answers. Seems that as for any kind of technical problems noone agrees with noone . for jaimini prcaticionners : this question could be solved ( as a small difference between mean and true nodes) will produce a change in the atmakaraka on many charts ( for example people born with nodes at the end of a sign as according to the way of being caluclated it will place them with a longitude about 29° or 1°. Anyway if i read correctly the previous mails according to the eight or seven scheme for Atmakaraka noone agrees if we should count the longitude of nodes as they move backward : maybe is it the origin of the misunderstandings ? Are there jaimini-addicts ;-) who can explain the results of their observations and help me thinking the right way about this problem. thanks for your help . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah Hi Nicholas, Thanks for your reply to my previous mail. >>I do not recall any text that says the nodes are always retrograde rather the absence of mention of forward motion could be because these are not astrologically significant .Not saying the negative is not the same thing as stating the positive .<< There are two references I recall, but as I can't currently find the other one, this will have to do: "Due to his retrograde motion, the degrees of Rahu should be deducted from thirty..." (BPHS 32:6) This isn't a very clear example I know, but Parashara doesn't say WHEN Rahu is retrograde this should be done, or when Rahu is direct this shouldn't. He just says that Rahu is retrograde and so this should be done, in the context of the rest of the chapter. I'll try to find the other quote later, and I'll post it when I do come up with it. >>Let me present a recent example of correct prediction using true nodes by Pandit Sateesh Batas .In the Australian birth chart (January 1st 1901 37s50 145e00 12.00 AM Virgo Lagna ) you will find Jupiter at 3.24 in Sagittarius ..Jupiter as 4th Lord rules the homeland .Now in late December and early January Ketu was practically stationary at around 3.16 Sagittarius .What Panditji did was combine the incendiary nature of Ketu with the idea of the fourth Lord and knowing the time of year in Australia predicted serious bushfires .Over this period this certainly manifested and I think the story has been on the international news .<< Yes, I saw this prediction by Sateesh and it was very good! (although not good as in what happened but you know what I mean :-) The thing is though, that I can give you chart after chart where the same thing works with the mean node, and would you believe it, chart upon chart where the true nodes work better - and in both these categories, some are hindsight cases studies, whereas others are real predictions given to real people. I just haven't found consistency, and I suspect other factors take greater importance. So, let me mention what I do when I'm doing readings: In the natal chart, I use mean nodes. Though I originally used true nodes, when I got into divisional charts, I found that the mean nodes were a lot more effective. In transits I got quite confused. So when I read Rick Houck's "The Astrology of Death" it was quite a relief knowing that it wasn't only me getting confused. So, in transit I find both the mean node and true node position, and decide which is likely to be accurate based on dashas, varshaphala and western progressions. I have one chart where every single time a transit (of ANY planet or the mean nodes) makes an exact hit, the expected event occurs on the exact day and I've seen this happen with every prediction given to him. I don't know what make this chart work like clockwork, although it is the first chart that I did a complete reading for where the native voluntarily gave me some dakshina. Perhaps the Jyotir Vidya was trying to illustrate the point that transits work. Who knows? But in most cases, this sort of exactness is often missing, so I usually just find the timing indicated by both nodes and give the native a time range, explaining when things becomes exact and so when they are likely to give strongest effects. Apart from this, I did notice when I primarily studied western astrology, that the nodes turning stationary did seem to give them extra strength, so I take note of their speed even though I use the mean node natally. Ultimately I suppose each jyotishi must decide what works best for them, and use it. We can all share our opinions but anyone who takes them has to use them as a basis for their own research. If you are interested in seeing some of these charts, I'll ask their owners if I may share them. Lemme know. Jaya Sri Krsna, Pursottam _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 Dear Nicholas Again we agree. I used to use Mean Nodes, but found that I was much more accurate with True Nodes. When I sit with a client, I have at hand a printed ephemeris for the next few years. I run it from my computer set to show every 3rd day and use the True nodes. When Rahu or Ketu get within 1 degree the transit is indeed significant. Using the Mean node, you are never sure. If we accept that the ecliptic path wobbles {my term} then would it not make sense to incorporate that variance in the motion of the ecliptic path? I have found that nodal hits are much more significant in prediction than eclipse hits in indicating what is or is about to confront the native. c - Nicholas <jyotish108 <gjlist> Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:36 PM Re: [GJ] RAHU + KETU > Dear Pususottama > I do not recall any text that says the nodes are always retrograde rather > the absence of mention of forward motion could be because these are not > astrologically significant .Not saying the negative is not the same thing as > stating the positive .James Brahu wrote in his first book that when the > nodes go forward they become auspicious but his teacher Santhanam chastised > him for this saying it was not the case(the auspiciousness that is Santhanam > had taught Braha to use true nodes ) . > > Let me present a recent example of correct prediction using true nodes by > Pandit Sateesh Batas .In the Australian birth chart (January 1st 1901 37s50 > 145e00 12.00 AM Virgo Lagna ) you will find Jupiter at 3.24 in Sagittarius > .Jupiter as 4th Lord rules the homeland .Now in late December and early > January Ketu was practically stationary at around 3.16 Sagittarius .What > Panditji did was combine the incendiary nature of Ketu with the idea of the > fourth Lord and knowing the time of year in Australia predicted serious > bushfires .Over this period this certainly manifested and I think the story > has been on the international news . > > By comprison JHL program which uses mean nodes has Ketu around a degree less > in Sagittarius and mean nodes do not go stationary . > > Namaste > Nicholas > > > > > - > "Pursottam" <pursottam_dabasia > <gjlist> > Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:54 AM > RE: [GJ] RAHU + KETU > > > > Om Krsnaaya Namah > > > > Dear... > > > > >>please could someone explain if it's better to use true nodes or mean > > nodes ( > > as this one is always retro on his motion ) ?<< > > > > Different jyotishis will give you different opinions on this matter. > > Classically, the nodes are said to ALWAYS be retrograde. This only happens > > if the mean nodes are used. Also, I read somewhere in a book that the > "true" > > nodes are actually no truer than the mean nodes - it's simply a different > > method of calculation that some prefer, although I don't remember the > > details of the explanation. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Pursottam > > > > > > > > _______ > > > > Get your free @ address at > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 Dear Elnumero > > ok, thanks for youy answers. Seems that as for any kind of technical problems >noone agrees with noone . It's the same in every other discipline .The biggest hotshots say in nuclear physics have mutually contradictory schools of thought and are adamnent that their position is right .I guess that's why the ancients called it the world of maya . Still now you know what the arguments are and can see what works for you . Best Wishes Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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