9th house

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Dear List

 

The study of father is important in vedic astrology. We have a difference here

in belief. Some astrologers believe that the 9th house should be studied in

regard to father and other astrologers believe that the 10th should be studied.

 

It is a question of belief and results should be assesed accordingly. In my

experience, i study the 9th house for father.

 

best wishes

natabara

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It has seemed obvious to me that 9th house does not satisfy the indication of

father in all respects. For example how can 9th father and 4th mother have a

six/eight relationship in regard to production of children. 7/7 is necessary.

It seems totally reasonable that 9th is father as mentor/guru and 10th is father

as physical parent. 1st is native, 4th mother, 7th wife and 10th father. After

all 10th is where sins get manufatured and 9th is where that is (hopefully)

undone (12 house of loss from 10th). 10th is 2nd from 9th, where father's (as

guru's) advice helps to avoid mistakes and brings wealth.

Regards

Gordon

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It has seemed obvious to me that 9th house does not satisfy the indication of

father in all respects. For example how can 9th father and 4th mother have a

six/eight relationship in regard to production of children. 7/7 is necessary.

It seems totally reasonable that 9th is father as mentor/guru and 10th is father

as physical parent. 1st is native, 4th mother, 7th wife and 10th father. After

all 10th is where sins get manufatured and 9th is where that is (hopefully)

undone (12 house of loss from 10th). 10th is 2nd from 9th, where father's (as

guru's) advice helps to avoid mistakes and brings wealth.

Regards

Gordon

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Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah

 

Hi Gordon,

 

>>have a six/eight relationship in regard to production of children. 7/7 is

necessary. It seems totally reasonable that 9th is father as mentor/guru

and 10th is father as physical parent. 1st is native, 4th mother, 7th wife

and 10th father.<<

 

I can see the logic of the seventh (spouse) from the fourth (mother) being

the father. But at the same time, a similar argument working for the ninth

is that the lagna (native) is the fifth (child) from the ninth. In any case,

I suppose the only way to decide what works best for each astrologer is

their own experience. My limited personal experience leads me to believe

that it is the ninth. Perhaps the only efficient way to draw conclusions

would be to study the charts of natives who have had extreme effects in

their relationships with their fathers. A well known example would be

someone like Bill Clinton, whose data is:

 

19/08/1946

8:51 am

Hope AR, USA

 

Lagna - 12* Virgo

 

Bill Clinton's father died three months before he was even born, suggesting

very strongly that there were negative dridha karmas associated with his

relationship with his father that should be reflected in the chart. If we

take the ninth as the house of the father, it is occupied by Rahu, while the

ninth lord is debilitated, associated with the malefic Mars (lord of the

eighth also), aspected by the malefic Saturn and (if you use Rahu aspects)

is aspected by Rahu. There is no benefic influence on either the house or

the lord to ameliorate the severe afflictions, and to me this is indicative

of the fact that Clinton never had any relationship with his father.

 

It is true that the tenth also has its weaknesses - it is hemmed in between

the malefics Rahu and Saturn, while its lord is associated with Saturn. But

to me these afflictions just aren't strong enough to give the results that

actually occured. Of course, my interpretation is not likely to satisfy

everyone else as we all interpret differently. It's quite possible that

someone may see staggering difficulties with the tenth that they consider

far more serious than what I see with the ninth, and that is fine.

Nevertheless discussing extreme charts is still probably the best and most

practical way for each of us to draw our own conclusions, rather than just

basing a decision on the theorectical relationships between the various

bhavas. If there is any level of interest in this thread, then I have a few

more charts in my own files which I think come under this extreme category

which I will post later.

 

Thanks for your time,

 

Pursottam

 

 

 

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I still do not agree. Perhaps you will consider this.

There are matters that are 'theory' and those that are just the perfectly

natural situation. In astrology we use matters such as signs, houses,

elements, etc. that we all accept, but could easily be dismissed as theory by

people who argue against astrology. The way to see if something represents the

perfectly natural situation and not just a theory is to pursue its meanings

rigourously. Take the 9th/10th house for father argument. Your description of

Clinton's chart could be taken as evidence of both cases, as both 9th and 10th

are badly influenced. I entirely agree 9th is the worse affliction. Also your

reasoning of 5th from 9th being 1st and showing new life is correct, but it

shows spirit from father. From mother, 4th house, comes new body of child

represented by 8th house, 5th from 4th. Of course 8th house is naturally

attended by all the ills of the world. Both houses are related to Mars, the

young child and the two houses, 1st and 8th give two apparently contradictory

Puranic descriptions of the birth of Mars - one realting to Mars in Aries and

the other Mars in Scorpio. 1st house is 10th from 4th and represents

acievemement of mother and so on.

I believe both 9th and 10th are related to father and as father is creator, so

deity associated is all-knowing Brahma for 9th and Brahma-Prajapati for 10th.

So 10th is there too, but particularly in relation to creation of child. I

have no doubt you can find charts displaying 9th house evidence, but there are

many showing 10th house according to the above division.

Further to consider is that 9th is opposite 3rd and if guru goes to brothel to

produce child results are not good. Hari Om

Gordon

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Om Sri Krsnaaya Namah

 

Hi Gordon,

 

Nice to hear from you too! Thanks for taking the time to reply to my mail. From

your last mail, it seems we might be close to agreement (yaaaay! :-)>> I

believe both 9th and 10th are related to father and as father is creator, so

deity associated is all-knowing Brahma for 9th and Brahma-Prajapati for 10th.

So 10th is there too, but particularly in relation to creation of child. I

have no doubt you can find charts displaying 9th house evidence, but there are

many showing 10th house according to the above division.<<

 

If you're saying that both the ninth and tenth represent the father, then I

think I agree with you, although probably to a different extent. When we rotate

the chart to the fourth to study the mother's life, the tenth becomes the

mother's spouse and therefore does indeed becomes the father. So I would agree

with you in saying that the tenth probably does show the father, but as he is

related to the mother, although for all purposes I still analyse the ninth and

don't really pay much attention to the tenth. But, I'll try keeping an eye on

it from now on.

 

Thanks,

 

Pursottam